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Jesus is ofcorse God.

A God cannot beget a Mortal but God, and Jesus is the only Begotten of the father.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=821685.msg9732067#msg9732067 date=1323462545]sorry bro i am better than you all[/quote]A lizzard always boasts and praises itself. But he still remains AGAMA the Lizzard.

LagosShia:
ok.please back to the topic of the thread,if you dont mind.thanks.

There's nothing to address here. Mohammad copied the old testaments which is about ancient life and abandoned the new covenant with Jesus Christ.
Thats why Islam will never know peace if they keep practising it.

Mohammad loves war and wickedness,and he found some in the old testaments.

@Op,
I totally agree with you. @Sweetnecta is by far better in response and mature arguements than him.

He also have a brutal servant which is @Bashy_Demy who serves as his spokesman.
As you can see below

There is nothing to expose again in Islam cos it is already exposed.

While Lagoshia and his crew are here trying to wipe their asses, Muslim countries and Muslims are out there doing their damn thing.

Allah is Dracular. .
[size=50pt]I NEED BLOOD[/size]

discussion of two Muslims.

Q=The Koran is 100% correct.
A=ofcorse, it is Perfect.

Q=It is the only book accepted by Allah.
A=thats true my brother

Q= Any one who says otherwise, we shall kill him.
A= Why not? Allah commanded us to do so.

Q= The Bible has been replaced,it is corrupt.
A= yes o. .thats why Allah sent the Koran.

Q= And the Bible prophecied about Mohammad
A= yeah,Mohammads part is not corrupt.

"And he (Gabriel) rose to his true form"
"And he (Gabriel) revealed to His (Allah's) Servant what he (Gabriel) revealed".

Maka Chi,!!
@Lagoshia, what you wrote above is very ridiculous.
Why not remove (his) entirely and put Allah's servant
because (his (Allah's) servant) is rather irrational
or go and complain to a Koran editor.

@Lagoshia, here is the website.

Http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/053.asp

53:2 Your Companion is neither astray
nor being misled.
Ma dalla sahibukum wamaghawa

53:3 Nor does he say (aught) of (his
own) Desire.
Wama yantiqu AAani alhawa

53:4 It is no less than inspiration sent
down to him:
In huwa illa wahyun yooha

53:5 He was taught by one Mighty in
Power,
AAallamahu shadeedu alquwa

53:6 Endued with Wisdom: for he
appeared (in stately form);
Thoo mirratin faistawa[/b]

53:7 While he was in the highest part
of the horizon:
Wahuwa bial-ofuqi al-aAAla

53:8 Then he approached and came
closer,
Thumma dana fatadalla

53:9 And was at a distance of but two
bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
Fakana qaba qawsayni aw adna

53:10 So did (Allah) convey the
inspiration to His Servant-
(conveyed) what He (meant) to
convey.
Faawha ila AAabdihi maawha

53:11 The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart
in no way falsified that which he
saw.
Ma kathaba alfu-adu maraa

They even translated it in Arabic.
Your Koran is a 5th hand commodity

LagosShia:
"Mohammed made them great nothing else" is a declarative statement.

regardless,my views and statements still stand.

What does it make if you put question mark at the end.

Mohammad made them great ,nothing else?
Meaning a question on your vague statement, just that I didnt present it clearer. .

Anyway,you may live with the dellusion.

[quote author=some-girl link=topic=819377.msg9727785#msg9727785 date=1323424818]It should not be assumed that every non muslim is a Christian and everyone born into a Christian home and attends church is a Christian.
Unlike islam, Christianity goes beyond practices and behavioural conformity.
Your ignorance is understandable however.

P.s. I used to believe muslim girls were chaste until I was told otherwise by several muslim guys.[/quote][size=20pt]Agreeded[/size]
But I always knew that pretenders does the worst.

@Lagoshia,
Not understanding a simple text can make one jump into the wrong conclution.


I wrote

Is that what you think? Mohammad made them great nothing else.

Perhaps you overlooked the bolded
Maybe because I didnt put the question mark at the end.
But the body should have given you an insight of what i meant. . Its a total disagreement.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=820160.msg9726752#msg9726752 date=1323414182] You see that you are a foool. The bold up there make you that foool you know why i said that?[/quote]why are you so enraged?

you said Muslim today represent what is said about them. Wasn't that prophecy of God? So let assume we represent what is said about us, Do you want us to represent what Paul said? do you want us to represent what some 40men said? If what Muslim today represent what God said about us so be it since its God prophecy on we Muslim and not Paul or some 40 men prophecy that so be it and me as a Muslim did not Ashamed about it since its part of God prophecy, mumu

Exactly my point,

But he gave you another chance through his covenant with Isaac in his son Jesus Chrirt.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

It will happen after the rapture. Those whose names is not written in the book of life of Jesus Christ,the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the earth will experience the trials and the acceptance of the mark.
They shall surely be given a second chance,this time their works shall determine their faith.

[size=30pt]#RUNNING FOR MY LIFE#[/size]

You must be Iyawitch's sister.

@Lagoshia

[size=50pt]ARE YOU PREPARED FOR JIHAD ?[/size]

tlops:
the woman looks like corpse, the feet is wrapped,

The woman is dead and the pastor is mourning her.
Afterall,they are not facing each other

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819005.msg9726159#msg9726159 date=1323398183]the worst muslim that is better than the best christian dont you see that? its written all over the place Allah is Great[/quote][size=20pt]An infant Christian is wiser than Muslim Imans,
The worst Christian is better than Mohammad.[/size]

LagosShia:
brother,it is true according to hadiths that there were not 300 idols housed in the Ka'bah by the pagan arabs,but infact there were 360 idols to be precise.

You did well in bringing your brother to facts, he only knows how to press the keyboard

DO YOU KNOW WHAT MUHAMMAD (sa) DID WITH THEM?
upon triumphin over the Makkan,Muhammad (sa) broke them all.if we Muslims are taught by Muhammad (sa) to worship a so called "moon god" which was allegedly his favorite,then Muhammad (sa) would not have broken all the idols in the Ka'abah.he would have left his alleged favorite one to stand there tall.but up to this day,after Muhammad (sa) cleansed the Ka'bah from idols,not one can be found in the Ka'bah which we Muslims regard as the first House of worship of the God of Abraham.

Why is the crecent Moon Islamic symbol till today?

Holy Quran 53:19-23
“So have you considered al-Lat
and al-'Uzza? And Manat, the third - the other one? Is the male for you and for Him the female? That, then, is an unjust division.They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance” .

The original text was -
Have you thought about al-lat and al-uzza? manat,the third goddess.And the other.
These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval.

I dont get you. Are you trying to prove that the satanic verses are not real?
The proof is in your own Hadith.

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because of those videos.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=820160.msg9726156#msg9726156 date=1323398035]So since the bible is corrupt we should abandon the truth in it? is like saying Nigeria is corrupt and no good thing will ever come out of Nigeria.[/quote]It is a corrupt man that searches for evidence in a corrupt book.

Your own perfect book is so unreliable that it has to depend on a corrupt book to stand.

LagosShia:
Hahaha!
This is the most ridiculous reply I have read on nairaland.

So God is telling Abraham that he would make a great nation out of Ishmael.that is according to God’s word and view of greatness.it is God Himself that is speaking here about greatness.
So that great nation according to you is the Arabian nation.i wont bother to dicuss the meaning of 12 princes as telling me the identity of the nation is enough to support my case.

Let me point out to you that the arabs were no powerful nation.secondly,even to this day they have nothing to show for the power you are talking about.

In pre-islamic times they followed pagan ways and were very backward and barbaric.it was only with the birth of Muhammad (sa) and their beginning as Muslims that made them great and brought them into life and contact with civilization.within a short span of time with the advent of Islam,the arabs were great in learning and scholarship,architecture and lecture and other sciences.also,with the advent of Islam,did they expanded out of their territory and swept across lands introducing Islam.if there is anything great about the arabs,it is islam and nothing else.

Is that what you think? Mohammad made them great nothing else.

If you realy know how prophecies works,you wouldnt be so dumb.
The muslims today which are the descendants of Ishmael represents everything said about them. he shall be a wild man,his hand shall be on every man and their hands shall be on him.

LagosShia:
never!

you can only copy and paste nonsense.you can watch these videos about your alleged contradictions on the number of days of the creation and on alexander the great and the setting of the sun:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Dev0OrSGs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8R2rVgD2ok

Why are you directing me to videos instead of your Koran?
Since the Koran is the one and only, I dont need your filty videos.

LagosShia:
My friend you are either doing these things deliberately to waste our time or you are very a dumb person who only copies and pastes.

please mahn,it was from your online Koran. It clearly states that Allah appeared in a stately form and conveyed the message

“Till he was at a distant of two bows”.who is the “he” in that verse? Does the verse say it is Allah? why do you use brackets to interprete it as you like to support your own confusion?

why are you covering up in ignorance,it clearly and i repeat, clearly states that it is ALLAH, and Mohammad saw him and was the first to believe.

The verse is talking about Angel Gabriel and not Allah.

This verse says it was Allah,without compromise, my other verse says it was Gabriel,without compromise.

Now let us read the verses and please pay attention to the last verse:

Quran 53:3-18
“It is not but a revelation revealed, Taught to him by one intense in strength -One of soundness. And he rose to [his] true form. While he was in the higher [part of the] horizon. Then he approached and descended. And was at a distance of two bow lengths or nearer. And he revealed to His Servant what he revealed. The heart did not lie [about] what it saw. So will you dispute with him over what he saw? And he certainly saw him in another descent. At the Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary -Near it is the Garden of Refuge -When there covered the Lote Tree that which covered [it]. The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit]. He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord.

On my bolded,is Mohammad the servant of Gabriel or Allah? or is Allah and Gabriel (2) in (1) god?

You tried as much as possible not to include Allah, neither did you prove it is Gabriel.
From the online site I got it, Yusuf Ali's comments even boasted of Allah appearance to his servant in a manly form,and you are here covering their, and the Koran's mess.

the Quran clearly states that Allah cannot be seen:

"Sight cannot reach Him" (6:103).

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted".
(Surah al-An'aam: 103)

Many verses says he cant be seen,while some says he can be seen.

Allah SWT said in Surat AlA'raf:

143. and when Mûsa (Moses) came at the time and place appointed by us, and his Lord spoke to him, He said: "O My Lord! show Me (Yourself), that I may look upon You." Allâh said: "You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain if it stands still In its place Then You shall see me." so when his Lord appeared to the mountain , He made it collapse to dust, and Mûsa (Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when He recovered his senses He said: "Glory be to you, I turn to You In repentance and I am the first of the believers."

I thought Mohammad was the first to believe? Mohammad lied, and the Koran lied too.

Seriously @Sweetnectar, you have succeded in proving nothing.

But let me ask you one of the simplest contradictions of the Koran.

Who is the mother of Jesus according to the Koran?

plappville:
Muhammed discover urine can heal illness, tht is in the divine koran, one of his miracles 

If you read what happened after, you will

[Hadith of Sahih Bukhari(vol.1,#234)
1.234:Narrated by Abu Qilaba.]
Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of ion.
They were put in Al-Harra and when they ask for water,no water was given to them.
Abu Qilaba said,"I watched one lick the earth until he died

plappville:
Count urself going to hell also, becos the koran is make up of the bible and others!

(Sura 19:68-69)
We shall assemble them (believers) and the Devils,then we shall bring them,crouching around hell.
(69) We shall pluck out from every sect which ever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to beneficent.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819101.msg9715254#msg9715254 date=1323275252]and yours in your bible deserve this (Death be upon him)[/quote]He holds the key to both Life and Death.

Glad to know that (Isa) in your Koran is not my Jesus, just as your (Mariam) is not Mary, his earthly mother. And (Allah) is not his Heavenly Father. He created the pagans that created (Allah).

and the Big secret about the bible Verses is that they are reveal to enrich there pocket and decieve you to eternity Hell fire.

The Koran says that you and all (every) muslim must go to hell :p

The bible was reveal by Paul the lair and was written by some silly 40men

And you are more foolish than your warrior, to say he was prophesied about in the Silly book.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=739943.msg9720453#msg9720453 date=1323341836]So now tell me according to Bible, Who build the Temple and what is the name of the Temple? and mind you there is nothing in the second bold to proof who build the temple.[/quote]Forty and six years was this temple in building - The temple of which the Jews spake was begun to be rebuilt by Herod the Great, in the 18th year of his reign: Josephus. Ant. b. xv. c. 11, s. 1; and xx. c. 9, s. 5, 7. But though he finished the main work in nine years and a half, yet some additional buildings or repairs were constantly carried on for many years afterwards. Herod began the work sixteen years before the birth of our Lord: the transactions which are here related took place in the thirtieth year of our Lord, which make the term exactly forty-six years.

This circumstance is one of the many in the New Testament which show the accuracy of the evangelists, and which prove that they were well acquainted with what they recorded. It demonstrates that their narration is true. Impostors do not trouble themselves to be very accurate about names and dates, and there is nothing in which they are more liable to make mistakes.

Reading those verses, I found another accurate fulfillment of the old prophesy
(Matt.21:15)
And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things he did, and the children crying in the temple,and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased

This fulfills the words of David.
(Psalm 8:2)
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings has thou ordained strength because of thine enemies,that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=739943.msg9720453#msg9720453 date=1323341836]Yes always your ways,  after all your ranting you still never answer my question. I ask you who be Build the temple you still giving me same old stories spare me all that.[/quote]Please,stop this your ranting of a thing post,its embarrasing you. She gave you facts as it is.

On the bold, to be dealt with.

According to Islamic History Abraham and Ishmael Build Kaaba and there is reference for it and you have read it yourself in the Holy Quran.

Archeological proofs of Mecca

According to the Quran, Mecca was the first and most important city in the world. Adam placed the black stone in the original Kaba (sanctuary) there, while Abraham and Ishmael rebuilt the Meccan Kaba centuries later (Sura 2:125-127).

Mecca was allegedly the centre of Arabian trading routes before Muhammads time. Yet there is no archeological corroboration for this. Such a great ancient city would surely have received a mention in ancient history. However, the earliest reference to Mecca as a city is in the Continuato Byzantia Arabica, an 8th century document. Mecca is certainly not on the natural overland trade routes- .It is a barren valley requiring a one hundred mile detour.
Moreover, there was only maritime Graeco-Roman trade with India after the first century, controlled by the Ethiopian Red Sea port Adulis, not by the Arabs.
If Mecca was not even a viable city, let alone a great commercial centre until after Muhammads time, the Quran is seriously in doubt.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819005.msg9715541#msg9715541 date=1323277404]^^^Jude you are not a Coward are you? You cannot defend those verses because you yourself don't understand your bible. Defend the bolds, I did not understand them,  Who is the Christ? Jesus. Who is Elijah? He is also a prophet we all know him. Then who is that prophet? Holy Spirit please explain for me i need to understand who that prophet is please[/quote]I just shake my head after reading some of your silly questions.
Afterall, your Mohammad was confused when he mistook Mariam the sister of Moses and Aeron to be the mother of Jesus.
The same confusion runs through your veins.

Look at a simple verse you crack your brain to understand yet you cant,people like you needs no attention atall.
Ignorance is realy a disease.

i think you need to read more about Kaaba,  The purpose of Kaaba Purposely for worshiping God, But since the rate of idol worshiper are higher than the believer then so they turn it into idol house,  if you need to read more about Kaaba here is a reference to help you

At the time Muhammad received his initial visitation, there were over 300 gods being worshiped in Mecca by pilgrims who came there each year to pray at the Ka'aba, a small cubic building that housed a black meteorite and effigies of the various gods. One of those gods was Allah, the
moon god. Muhammad decided to proclaim that there was only one god — and he selected Allah as that god.That's the reason the crescent moon became the symbol of
Islam. Muhammad also proclaimed that he was the prophet of Allah.

Jews and Christians were not the only ones who rejected Muhammad's new revelations. The people of his own tribe, the Quraysh, also rejected him. In response, Muhammad succumbed to the temptation to appease his tribe by announcing that it would be okay for them to worship the three daughters of Allah — named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Ma-nat. This declaration led to the infamous "Satanic verses" of the Koran which were later deleted when Muhammad reverted back to monotheism. Muslims have tried ever since to cover-up this diversion from the faith.