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obaaderemi:
I know but Japan didn't get its wealth from that.

Japan got majority of it wealth from plundering South East Asia

jl115:
they literally aren't!!! they have a 100% free market economy, prices are not dictated by the government, people can start there own private businesses and employ people.


"The Nordic Model
The Nordic model is a term coined to capture the unique combination of free-market capitalism and social benefits
,The model is underpinned by a capitalist economy"

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/100714/nordic-model-pros-and-cons.asp

Obviously you simply can't comprehend the difference between social benefits and socialism.... Its fvcking sad if I'm honest

you have a limited view of socialism and that is why you are struggling.... And it's sad

You are even confusing socialism with a mixed economy or a command economy where the government set prices of goods and services.

Start learning

jl115:
and yet capitalist countries sit at the top when it comes to income equality....

there is no Capitalist society at the top when it comes to income equality...

They are all socialist nations .... Income equality (equity of incomes) is one of the Hallmark of socialism.

theenchanter:
we'll even colonize kenya and I'll make rvp my chattel.

RVP, the enchanter's chattel.

jl115:
interesting because the richest and most equal countries are all capitalist?? strange isn't it?

You cant be a capitalist society and have an equal society.. They most capitalist societies are the most unequal societies in the world...

Socialist societies are more equal and they have a slower wealth gap progression.

jl115:
Go look at the GINI coefficient.....why is it that the most equal countries are all capitalist?? where is Cuba? or Laos? or Vietnam? hell even China isn't near the top?

And fyi Nordic countries are capitalist if you forgot

You keep confusing yourself

Nordic countries are more socialist than capitalist and they lead in GINI coefficient and the list includes Canada and Germany....

Though they all have some level of capitalism... China is even less socialistic than Germany

You dont get sarcasm

He was being Sarcastic

Hueman:
Abohboy You are diluting socialism when you say things like this. How can America be a very equal country when they recently stop lynching black ppl in the 60s. The people they enslaved are still the poorest demographic in their country. Not to mention the wealth inequality in America is very bad. Americans have been begging their government for free healthcare and better standards of living just to be lied to and ignored by their government. Stop calling yourself a socialist when you just want capitalism with a welfare system. This is what happens when you don’t read a book. lol

jl115:
nope....because capitalist countries are more equal than socialist countries

That's not true

Capitalist societies are some of the most unequal societies

vaxx:
You are chatting up with someone who does not know what we have welfare capitalist state and social welfare state .

He is just a lesson note away from learning

jl115:
No i didn't read it because I need to subscribe.

and that still doesn't in anyway change my point

Subscribe and you will learn how your point is invalid

Help yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4opFbB6okwo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKGwGAHznFQ

jl115:
Sweden and Norway are capitalist countries with free market economies, they have privately owned corporations and prices are dictated by the market and not the Government the fact that they have welfare and public enterprises doesn't make it a socialist state.....even China has adopted a more capitalist approach to there economy!!

jl115:
OK so what you are saying is that there is no evidence stating that capitalist countries are more corrupt because other countries don't care what goes on HOWEVER capitalist countries are the most corrupt because they are, but you just don't have the evidence because there is none since countries don't create lists............

You see how you are contradicting yourself my bru

Seems you didn't read the links I provided for you

Let me state it for you

The USA is a behemoth tax haven
A kleptocratic, Oligarchy police state
A monster in the world of dirty money laundering

If that does not give you an idea of how corrupt it is, I dont think you know what corruption is.

You kind of realise that the rest of the world doesn't care about what goes on in other countries to be creating list right?

The nosey ones are those who like to create those list to self elivatye themselves,,

Read from their own mouthpiece
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/28/report-transparency-international-corruption-worst-decade-united-states/



The US is at the centre of Modern Kleptocracy
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/3/21100092/us-trump-kleptocracy-corruption-tax-havens

jl115:
Then get me a fvcking list that puts capitalist countries at the bottom then Now run along and get me some evidence instead of crying that the list is biased somehow

jl115:
Funny because Capitalist countries top the list for least corrupt countries and true socialist/communist states are at the bottom?

Why won't they, when the list is created by themselves?

The amount of corruption that goes on between their corporations and gov't, if you compare ours to it, Ours is child play..

There is no way you can run a capitalist economy without massive corporate corruption

Corporations end up owning the nation..... The USA is one big example....
By the time you realize it, you have become an Oligarchy


China has seen the light and it has decided to cut it huge corporations to size

jl115:
the problem isn't capitalism but corruption and incompetence of the Nigerian government........

All the Western nations that have been complaining, they all did similar stuff

In the US, you can talk about how the native Americans were subjugated, the culture revolution and so many dirty secrets.

In Europe, you can talk about the Protestant-Catholic30 years religious war killed 10 million alone
You can add their various class struggles

Hueman:
That’s what Africa needs to do. When you see things this way you’ll understand why communist state have to be authoritarian. The west complaining about “human rights violations “ and “ lack of democracy” from communism is just projection at this point.

Exactly

If you dont remove traitors, you will never succeed

Hueman:
If China’s economy didn’t grow under MAO how come life expectancy increased significantly? Come on let’s think dialectically instead of being idealistic. Mao job was to remove traitors and opportunist from China. If Nigeria ever attempts socialism we will literally have a cultural revolution because we need to get rid of our corrupt political system and start over again. There are so many idiots willing to Uphold the status quo of this country. Our police don’t even benefit from Nigeria but see how they attack protesters fighting for their own rights. You really think re-changing a society is that easy. So no you’re wrong. MAO is the father of China. Chinese people still pay respects to him.

chrisooblog:
Charlee Mao was bad news. Just because the west hated him doesn't equally mean he wasn't a bad leader too. Him, Stalin and Hitler are in the same whatsapp group of horrible despots whose apologists will try to make excuses for saying "they developed their country''

Ho Chi Minh before his death definitely didn't kill his fellow North Vietnamese to show he could develop his country.

To conquer requires bloodshed

You have to eliminate traitors who will do everything to benefit from foreigners looting the land.

Mao established China as a uniformed society that thinks about the collective good... While Mao Agrarian policy and the shift from agrarian economy to an industrial economy led to an initial farming, it was highly successful.

Establishing a nation is not a joke and there is no nation under this sun that was fully established without bloodshed and repressions....

obaaderemi:
The guy is so flagrantly ignorant.
How can a learned person praise Mao who the whole world knows as the world's biggest mass murderer due to his bad leadership?

Mao did everything for his country and people...

The whole world didn't like him because they viewed him as a revolutionist who stop their endless raping of China

totally

It is a mafia state

AfriqueDuZuid:
Lol but the US is master of that

hmm

AfriqueDuZuid:
I don't know about free world but I do know every country censors to some extent

Saw some article that Kenyan influences were paid to influence certain hash tags that caused divisions, sad how people will ruin their country stability for few pennies

AfriqueDuZuid:
To some extent yes

But the US is just brutal

not just the US, the entire so called free world ..

AfriqueDuZuid:
US has the world's best program of journalists and whistle blower censoring program.

China is new to the game

Basically, all countries censor journalism ... Most are just not criticized for it

Abohboy:
China is a socialist market economy not capitalist and not communist and why are you acting like there's no evidence that China doesn't censor journalism?

All countries censor journalism

rvp2018:
Import substitution was tried all over Africa in 1960s - the same period Kwame was on it - they are all failed. South Asian tigers refused to heed such advice and went for export led manufacturing - and they succeeded.

Kwame communism led to Ghana economic collapse and his subsequent overthrow. The rest are just attempt to rewrite history. Kwame was an epic failure in managing Ghana economy.

Indeed, Ghana experienced reasonably high growth soon thereafter, but by 1965 per capita growth was already negative, and when the coup d’état overthrew the Nkrumah regime in February 1966, per capita income was below its value at the time of independence

one, kwame Nkrumah did not practice Communism

Nkrumah's economic model was a monumental success in both job creation and raising people out of poverty... Something that Kenya has still not achieved...

Nkrumah was an epic success and his succeses was felt all over Africa

i will love to

Every community has a history to their existence

AfriqueDuZuid:
AGAIN the South African history most people know is not the true history.

I will tell you a bit about it one day, it's fascinating. Most just know soweto story not true history, that's why people always comes with "boers built" "whites story".

Thanks

When i first saw it, all I could think of was Kenyans on this platform

Their arguments makes me know they are poorly educated

theenchanter:
oga, this ur pics is epic.

AfriqueDuZuid:
For a grown man with kids it's disappointing.

I expect him to reason like a graduate he always CLAIM to be. But again every one can make these claim after all.

He reasons like a child, His thinking is mostly one dimensional

AfriqueDuZuid:
Stop looking at it in a naive ignorant manner, you are a graduate.

Capacity has been increased every years new campuses built..... CAPACITY

He wasn't taught Logical reasoning... dont expect him to exhibit such


All he knows is quantity

These were the start of Nkrumah troubles in Ghana
More people felt he had too much interest in what went on in the rest of Africa, when his duty was to Ghana.... But they forget that, there would be no economic progress for a newly industrialized Ghana, if the rest of Africa remain under colonial Rule.




Ghana also remained a member of the Commonwealth, but in 1965, when the white Rhodesians unilaterally declared themselves independent from Great Britain, this link to the West also began to weaken. Ghana took a leading role in criticizing Britain for not preventing this seizure of power by the white minority. Nkrumah called for military intervention, and with the example of the Congo in 1960 still fresh, he hoped that Ghanaian forces would play a prominent role. Eventually, under pressure from other OAU members, Ghana was forced to break diplomatic relations with Great Britain. However, even after the latter's diplomats left, a military mission remained that included a British brigadier. The possibility of military involvement in Rhodesia was most unwelcome to the demoralized Ghanaian military. It seemed as if the President's Own Guard Regiment (POGR) was going to succeed the regular military, which was suspect and being starved for funds. Even as Nkrumah was holding out the possibility of offensive operations in Rhodesia, he was forcing into retirement the army's most senior officers. It was this action more than any other, according to then Major A. A. Afrifa, that led to the military-police coup that overthrew Nkrumah on February 24, 1966.

rvp2018:
Most of criticism IMF get is from politicians who caused the problem in the first place and find the chemotherapy from IMF tough and unpopular. Those are what you call tough conditionality or string attached. IMF come to fix a big problem - that if left alone - would led to economic collapse - and probably spread a contagion - because if Nigeria say owes people 100B dollars - and is unable to pay - it will affect those people - who also owe other people- and the entire international financial system.

Without IMF - what will you happen? The economy will collapse. The gov will be unable to pay salaries including of the armed forces. The armed forces will overthrow civilian gov and enact a military dictatorship. This is exactly what happened in Ghana in 1960s.

1965: Ghana Rejects IMF and World Bank Advance, Continues with Import Substitution Plan
Ghanaian President Kwame Nkrumah rejects IMF and World Bank recommendations to implement a economic development strategy based on non-inflationary borrowing and reduced government spending. Ghana’s refusal to implement these reforms makes it ineligible to receive loans from the two institutions. Nkrumah continues with a policy aimed at diversifying the Ghanaian economy through import substituting industrialization (ISI

And February 24, 1966: Dr. Kwame Nkrumah overthrown by military as he was unable to pay salaries.

Ghana would endure military dictatorship for almost 40yrs - 60s, 70s, 80s,90s..until 2002..if you exclude Jerry Rawling last 10yrs as an elected president.

If you know what import substitution was, you would know, that was one of the best economic policies of Nkrumah....

Depending on loans is not the best way to develop a country and that is why Kenya is suffering without any real growth..

The armed forces in Ghana were paid regularly, They only overthrew Nkrumah because he was forcing their top leaders to retire.

And this happened in a period were Britain and USA became increasingly hostile because Nkrumah was going against their world order...
And the CIA began testing their COVERT REGIME CHANGE tool..

In In Search of Enemies he writes that an official sanction for the coup does not appear in CIA documents, but he writes "the Accra station was nevertheless encouraged by headquarters to maintain contact with dissidents.

"It was given a generous budget, and maintained intimate contact with the plotters as a coup was hatched."

He says that the CIA in Ghana got more involved and its operatives were given "unofficial credit for the eventual coup".

Another declassified document written after the coup describes Nkrumah's fall as a "fortuitous windfall. Nkrumah was doing more to undermine our interests than any other black African".

obaaderemi:
Would you rather live in North Korea than Nigeria?
Maybe you need to read George Orwell's 1984 and imagine yourself under the eyes of BigBrother to see what i mean by the question above.

George Orwell's 1984 is like a mirror