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Toonice:
If she doesn't feel like doing it at the particular time and he uses force to get it. Anytime force is used to get sex, that is violation!

Yes.

stdi

Still looking for her

Boy619:
Sory 19th was wednsdy, ths week is when i deposited,

Count 28days from the day u deposited the money.

Naledi14:
Youre forgiven.

Thanks but lets stop blaming the west for our problems, very soon SA will start blaming China for their problem too.

Naledi14:
@justwise read what i said carefully and understand. What i am saying is that all my news sources are free from influence period. I dont know how else to say it really.

Sorry i got your initial post wrong.

Naledi14:
@justwise yes some are from western sources [/b]but [b]all are free from goverment/large corporation influence.

You lost me there, if you got[b] 'some'[/b] from western source then you can't 'all' from govt sources

coogar:
how would you take me seriously when you are a stark[b] illiterate![/b]

all you need is a bit of education on how things work in the real world - far from the bbc/sky/cnn bullshyte you and tools of your ilk fill your belly with.
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educated coogar? Not a word i will use.

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=786166.msg9388894#msg9388894 date=1319200217]
You are the one hear making noise about this aid, not I. How can you seriously sit here and say you want to help yourself yet in that same breath, you're here holding your hand out for your portion of government cheese? You've said over and over again that WE, US, AFRICANS should do things for ourselves, how in the hell will we do that with people like you who act as though Africa will fall and crumble if western aid isn't a part of this agenda?!?! Please, just explain that to me here because you just keep saying the same thing over and over again. You can't have your cake and eat it to!!! You don't need to accept donations as a means of attracting business and prosperity to Africa, stop acting as though you're some slave who cannot function without their master. You even said it yourself, "almost every donation or aids comes with some condition attached, if you took the aids, you obey the condition attached", look at how you allow them to räpe you! If they care some much, why is there a prerequisite? How noble of them eh, such kind hearted caring westerners--they so concerned with poor 'ol Africa that they felt the need to say "Ok, no problem we see that your children are dying and that you need our help so out of the kindness of our heart let us help you. . . But oh wait, for us to help save HUMAN LIVES you must agree to let us use X, Y, and Z from you and do X, Y, and Z in your country until you are no longer of use to us and become dependent on us". You put yourself in a position that enables them to control YOUR life and what goes on in YOUR country. Lemme ask you something, do they tell you when you can shït? When you can eat? Who you can be friends with? Or whether or not you can even have friends? I can see that the workings of Willie Lynch is VERY MUCH alive and well in the heart and souls of the people of Africa and to be quite honest, that is VERY VERY sickening.[/quote]Most of the conditions that comes with aids/donations from America/west has to do with accountability, dealing with corruption, in most cases they want western aid agencies to carry out the management or distribution of those aids, ant-retro-viral drug for example is donated free to some Africa countries but those drugs are instead sold to HIV carriers.
Many donations (cash or materials) end up with top govt officials, material things end up been sold to pple who was supposed to get those aid for free.

Some  conditions also bounders around human right records, giving fair trial to political prisoners, discrimination against g[i]a[/i]y people  like in the case of Malawi and i think Uganda.

Many countries give and expect something in return (whether good or bad) that is how it works, its up to you to accept it or tell them go die with their donation but if you accept it then they will influence ur domestic polices one way or the other.

@coogar

It will interest you to know that i did not bother to read it because i don't take you seriously.

coogar:
they should keep their fuckin aid and shove em up their own asses.
their citizens are suffering - africa don't need the foreign aid. the foreign aid is working in the reverse - it's the main reason why there have been several civil wars and more corrupt politicians in africa living off these so called aid.


Between 1970 and 1998, when aid flows to Africa were at their peak, poverty in Africa rose from 11% to a staggering 66%.

Yea i hear you, talk is cheap, Somalians, Ethiopians, Malawians, Kenyans, Ugandans. . . list goes on. . will not agree with u. The aids caused the poverty in Africa? Yes i blame America/west.

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=786166.msg9387844#msg9387844 date=1319190657]
You made your previous statement as though I was the one who asked for those donations or that I was the one that made it an issue to accept American aid. Keep in mind, you were the one who brought up the subject of aide, not I. Constantly sitting around and acting like all is doomed if you don't have that aid is the reason why there is dependency on America and other western nations. Because people like you and their "woe is Africa" belief, we will forever remain entrenched in the idea we need the aid as a means to functioning. You say we need to do things for ourselves, so jump off the aid band wagon and start helping. You can't say you want to take responsibility but continue to be dependent on the west. It's like saying you want to ride a two wheeler but you refuse to remove your training wheels. It's one thing to want to help someone, its another thing to be the global police. All of the countries that the US has stuck their nose into, when the US leaves, how often do you see them clean up the mess they created, escalated, or instigated? Ten times out of ten, such situations are created as a means of having nations not be able to help themselves when all is said and done which leads to dependency.[/quote]You should print this and send to those who asked for donation and those who benefited from it, i never asked or benefited from American/western donations.
Yes i raised the issue of aids cos you keep going on about America sticking their noses into our businesses then i said America aids are part of those nose sticking. You can't accept their donations and expect them not to have some sort of influence in our businesses, almost every donation or aids comes with some condition attached, if you took the aids, you obey the condition attached.

Naledi14:
@justwise i usually just browse the internet for news research a topic for myself and form an opinion through my own findings.

I take it that you don't get any of ur research material from western news websites?

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=786166.msg9387578#msg9387578 date=1319187978]
Did you see me say that they should even come and donate or start charities? You're the one bringing this part up, not me. Stop acting like I mentioned them coming to recuse poor 'ol Africa because I said no such thing. [/quote]You did not ask them to donate or start charity in Africa but millions need those American/western goodies, some govt in African can't even write annual budge without western donation. Even with our oil Nigeria till accept donations from the west. when such is the case then expect America/west to stick their noses into our businesses.

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=786166.msg9387496#msg9387496 date=1319187166]
Yes, of course you'd say that [/quote]Yup, America should stick their noses into our businesses when it comes to donation and other charities they do in Africa but when it comes to corruption they are interfering.

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=786166.msg9387439#msg9387439 date=1319186634]
I'm not asking of who got what first. It is not the subject matter at hand here. There is no way to ever stop blaming the west when the west is continuously sticking their business into our affairs and the affairs of others. Don't worry, soon enough you and every other African won't need to step a foot out of Africa in oder to get American citizenship.[/quote]The blame game goes on.

brainpulse:
If you are a Good student of History and you listen to News very well. You will know that Libya also sign a treaty with UN to protect the rights of the people of Libya which Gadaffi was not during, therefore NATO under UN has fundamental right to protect  every citizen of the world that are being molested

How did Gaddafi come to power?

Naledi14:
The west, nato, call them what you want are systematicaly removing those who will pose a threat to thier NEW WORLD ORDER. Gadaffi is a great achievment for them its a damn shame i tell you. I cry for those praising his death  but the west knows that his revelations would have been much worse than those of charles taylor so his death was a must. I advise those who watch cnn bcc and the like to stop those are just propoganda machines.

Which channel do you watch?

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=786166.msg9387145#msg9387145 date=1319183580]
Smh, so very true [bolded parts]

Ok, thank you for adding your two cents but when did I say that America was dragged into it? All I said was that America being involved is nothing more than neo-imperialism. Did I blame everyone in the west? No! But the main contenders in this new scramble for Africa are well known and we know what their interests in this conflict is. Let's not sit here and pretend that the US and many other western nations aren't playing puppet master with organizations like the United Nations and NATO. Do Africans need to help themselves, yes indeed but until we as a continent cease to continue sucking on the bosoms of the west, we will forever be enslaved to them. So for you to say that our problem have little nothing to do with them would be a complete denial of their incessant interference in the affairs of Africa. Do some research and you will see that the American government has at one was or another funded and fueled events that have happened in Africa. Even many of the American companies that we Africans have grown up with as children, many of them funded pro-apartheid movements in the past. Don't sit here and act like America and other wester nations don't have their hand in the pot! You saying that we are greedy gets us no where, if greedy is what we are then what do you call the United States their cohorts? Are they not the same as the people you say we are? Did they suddenly become compassionate, just, and peace loving individuals? Yes, I will admit as a continent, we need to get our act together but the sheepishly act as though they have played no role in our troubles would be a complete denial of African history as a whole.

It's true, America's got their hand in everyone pot and no one has the balls to say a damn thing! It's always one excuse after another

[/quote]I'm not denying for one moment that America did not play a part in some of the problems that occurred in the Africa, yes they did but ultimately we Africans are the problem, SA got independent in 1994 and Nigeria got her independent in 1960, both with colonial history, which country is better today? Nigeria with the oil or SA without oil?

My point is this: Lets stop blaming the west, we Africans choose to loot our resources and banked them in the west, we can't say no to American dollar cos our are greedy, no good hospital, no good road, no electrify, teachers poorly paid, we blame the west?

MsDarkSkin:
LOL it took me that long to focus on this topic? lol. watching too much CNN!

@ topic: this is a bitter sweet moment for africa.

It shows the consequence of trying to rule with harsh tactics regardless of how loved and respected one is. This also shows the importance of self reliance and awareness among African nations.

This was a man who "ruled with an iron fist". A man of his kind is not hard to find in prehistoric or present day Africa. Sadly these men who rule in such a way fail to realize the first man didn't last long, neither will they. [I see Cameroon being the next line of rebellion due to the pined up frustration of having a president who rules as dictator.] It's a brutal cycle that seems to continue BECAUSE a lot of Africans seem not to value the "history repeats itself" philosophy. So in the ensuing months or years of Gaddafi's death, I can guarantee that we will see political and ethnic killings throughout Libya because of one man's misjudgement and abandonment of original agendas.

This is nothing new to the African continent unfortunately however it can be curved. While I believe the method of rule exhibited by Gaddafi should have no place in Africa I will say that on the other hand, I think Africans should take to SOME of his ideologies.

Ghaddafi may not have necessarily WANTED African unity as much as he preached (or pretended to some) BUT the proposal is a good one. He preached he importance of trade and building relationships between the Africans nations AS WELL AS WITH the black countries in the west. Being Caribbean myself I think the idea to be fantastic. Africans and Caribbeans forming their own uniting of nations as we watch the power shift go east and imperialistic ideologies head eastward as well.  A lot of African countries are now dealing with China the way they did their European oppressors. What do I mean? Blacks have relied so heavily on Whites and Arabs to GIVE to us but in turn we don't DO FOR SELF. Now that China is gaining momentum, she is now looking at Africa.

With that said I think now MORE THAN ever, African leaders need to seriously rethink about how they are and plan to remain in power. Change up their strategies and think on a more democratic point of view. Africa won't get any better in a matter of days or few years. it will take decades to right the wrongs but the initiative needs to be taken now, so that Africa won't be the feature of CNN due to war and chaos but rather due because of upgrades and promise. Like Gaddafi showed in his final months, Africa won't be able to defend herself if her people are unhappy and conflicted.

So folks I do feel for him but I gotta take Gaddafi for what he was; a live reflection of and lesson to Africa. He served his purpose on Earth already which is why he is nolonger with us. He was to enlighten and lead by example when it comes to the pros and cons of self reliance or lack thereof. Now its time for African leaders to move smarter.

I enjoyed reading your post, balanced and with alot of searching questions.

ogaju007:
Hmmn Food for thought. Ghadafi Ruled for 42 Years and that was his crime? I wonder what happens if pople start protesting about the monarchy in France and UK and they start having weapons as well? hmmmnnn

The Uk has the prime minister and ceremonial head of state which is the Queen, the Queen does not get involved with the running of the govt. The Uk conduct a free and fair elections every 5yrs, how many has Libya conducted for the past 42yrs?

How many pple did the UK police shot dead during the recent riot in London and other cities in the UK?

teskyg:
Vanity upon vanity is equal to vanity.What has Ghadafi achieved?The fact that he provided all the social amenities to the citizens does not mean there are no any other person in Libya that can do same.

The main issue here is sight tight leaders.Most of the posters speaking in support of the tyrant called Ghadafi need to remember he ruled Libya as a personal empire where opposition where killed and imprison with impunity.

I disagree with the westernization theory been postulated by some of the posters on nairaland.NATO wouldn't have any reason to come into Libya if he has step them just like Mubarack did in Egypt.African leaders creates the opportunity for the west to come in, He should learn from the lessons of Saddam.

Thank you!! we always blame the west when we try to cover up our crimes. Since the west is that bad for African, how many Africans preferred moving to west for a better life and how many moved to country like Libya?

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=786166.msg9386234#msg9386234 date=1319160802]@OP: Simple answer! All it means is that the United States government is doing what it always does. Pretty soon the African nations will just be extended states of the United States. Look at how they are invading other countries trying to be the global police. It is nothing more than neo-imperialism. Let's be serious here, do any of you actually believe that the US gives a damn about other countries?!?! All the crap that the American government does, if you switch roles and have other countries apply the same tactics, then it suddenly becomes a problem. You all need to sit down and read "The Chomsky Reader" by Noam Chomsky![/quote]I never had any reason to disagree with you since i joined this forum but i have one today. Why do we intend to blame the west when the going gets tough? Yes Gaddafi provided for his pple but at what cost? America did not start the trouble in Libya, America dragged their feet b4 even getting involved with NATO and that was when Arab league and the UN resolution was passed.
Our problem in Africa got little or nothing to do with the west, WE Africans are the problem, we are selfish, we are greedy, we are corrupt and power hungry. I did not like the way Gaddafi died after watching the raw video over and over again, i thought he should have been treated better but Gaddafi saw it coming, he locked up and killed his own people and the same treatment was served to him yesterday.

American interest obviously comes first in everything they do, when will Africa put the interest of Africans first before money?

pendo89:
The tonnes of info on this guy is enough to drive one crazy. while others hail him others despise.
I used to hate him till I[b] he started posing as Africa's God father and talking big about Africa plus the things he did for his own pple.[/b]
All that is being rubbished now and am reading conflicting stuff after his death. we shall know the truth
sad thy hide in holes.

That was enough to convince u? He talked big about Africa? Can you tell me what he did for Africa? Honestly u know nothing about Gaddafi, i ask again, if Gaddafi was all that to Africa and his pple, why then are they against him this much? Libyans doesn't know what is good for them?

pendo89:
Didn't you see the guy pulling his hair behind, like its a cat?And they removed his clothes. Was it so hard to arrest him?
What was the celebration all about? killing him? fine hes gone with his dream and vision 4 africa,next?  the west is having a 5 course meal as they fire in the air
Killing Gaddafi is not an achievement. Rebuilding a country from ruins is.

Is that a joke or what? What vision does Gaddafi has for Africa? I guess that includes divided Nigeria and locking up African immigrants without trial.

deelobe:
now american will come in to milk their oil. the same thing they did in Sierra Leone, Liberia they will do in Libya What the people do not realise is that it would be difficult for them to stabilise

Must you tell some silly lies in order to put ur points across?

honey86:
Well,it was a refusal. The reason he gave is that my cas was withdrawn by my school due to lateness. Na dem sabi sha.

Then go for Jan admission, i'm sorry to hear that. Its not the end of the world, you still stand a good chance for Jan or Feb admission season.

duduspace:
Naa, I disagree I believe in the sanctity of life and redemption, he was no threat to anyone after being captured.
Sagamite got his wish anyway of another Doe like tape. Not as long sha but he was captured alive and later shot. They even strangled him a little sef
Arabs are really violent people.

His supporters are, he used black Africans to kill his own pple while his sons command, so keeping him alive will encourage his supporters to fight on.

duduspace:
This isnt nice, he was actually caught alive, they killed him like Doe. That is sad. 
new footage showing he was captured alive on Sky.

There is no point having him alive, Libyans have to move on, his trial would have given his supporter more reason to fight on and more lives lost.

Litmus:
Just heard the news but i cant get beyond the fact that every time they show the news on this Libya they show black people being killed or being paraded looking scared in the rolling eyes big lipped humiliating way that pleases the western sordid appetite to see blacks degrade. This thing cant be good for Obama's image in the eys of black people in the long run, it's a total disgrace.

Black people should never forget this. I swear if ever a Libyan Arab gets in my way and makes pip
his getting a hefty punch  from me.

How about black pple who collected money to fight for Gaddafi? Did you consider pple they killed as well?

duduspace:
Some of it may be true but all of it CANNOT be true. If true, that would be an heaven on earth and people (myself included) wouldnt even be bothered about who ruled them. 
The guy try sha, came to power as  a 27 year old, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Yes some are true but he gives in one hand and take with the other, lock up and kill whoever dare to question his authority, 42yrs in power!!!!, how about other Libyans? How did he come to power?

kenx1:
Col, Gadhafi and Libya
1.There was no electricity bill in Libya; electricity was free for all its citizens
2. There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law
3. Home considered a human right in Libya –Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent
4. All newly weds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms –all for free
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 (N22) per litre
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000
14. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country
So What's the Problem with Libyans? The long rule? Wetin?! Abeg, he needs to rule Nigeria for 500yrs! Pls we need Gaddafi o !

If all these is true why then did his pple raise against him? Tell me Libyans are brainwashed by the West?