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Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 10:01am On Sep 08, 2013

Priceworth123: Nice topic,I think we are still lack some information,even in advance country the issue of plastic causing environment degredation is at burner front.
In Europe and and other Asia country,there are new material you added to you nylon production,it will decompose within a week.
I think is all about awareness if government as all nylon production to add it in there production it will go a long way in making our society free of dirty.

@Princewoth123
Very good and new hi-tech solution but the strength of leadership is the ability to solve immediate problems in most economical way and not to borrow solution that will increase cost.

If this will work now,then Gas flaring would have been a thing of the past in NIG.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 11:46am On Sep 07, 2013*

godello: Pls pals am not aiming at derailing this thread,but permit me to ask a question that is bodering me, some months ago the federal govt made a pronouncment to ban pure water and nylon generally,by january 2014,I want to ask how we can still make water available to the public at low rate without this nylon issue,because of its environmental factor. Can small pet bottle suffice? Or can water be made availble with other containers? Pls help so as not to be taken by suprise.

Hello godello,
At inception of this biz,i recall how then Director General Prof Dora Akunyili encouraged nigerians to go into the biz,for her it was an introduction to industralization for average Nigerians.Pure water came to existent because of degenerating state of our waterworks and inabilty of GOVT to sustain any alternatives,which unfortunately is same today.

Initially,it was expected that after about 1-5yrs of operation,you upgrade to bottle water.

if you look up,a poll is before you in this thread to show what people here thinks.participants were small but it represent the heartbeat of nigerians.this is confirmed in other discussions.READ! link:www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-657308.99999.html#bot

An attempt or speculations or rumour has been made to BAN pure water and associated polythene bag TWICE.

[color=#000000]1[/color],On july 15,2011 Published on Daily champion of 26th july,2011
The director general of National orientation agency (NOA) Idi farouk made this call when his counterpart from National emergency management agency (NEMA) paid him a courtesy visit.

HIS REASONS
Because of its adverse effect on environment.He decried the manner in which used polythenesachet littered street and block drainages,thereby increasing the risk of environmental pollution and health hazard.(whose responsibilty?)

HIS SOLUTION
The agency canvasses the use of degradeable materials to package water.(wonderful!)

[color=#000000]2,[/color]On 6th June,2013
Determined to check the continued despoliation of the environment, the Federal Government yesterday said plans are underway to ban the use of plastic bags in the country.

Minister of Environment, Mrs. Hadza Mailafia, who dropped the hint during the 2013 World Environment Day celebration in Abuja, said government would favour the use of paper bags in their place.

Mailafia, who said the ban would take effect from January 2014, also said the Federal Government was also considering banning the use of sachet water.

According to her, the move to ban the plastic bags are necessitated by the numerous health and environmental hazards associated with their use.
The minister noted that unlike the paper bags that could easily decompose, plastic bags are non-biogradable materials which could stay in the soil for years, contaminating water sources when washed into the rivers by the rain.

Then also Read from the same GOVT the latest http://fmi.gov.ng/latest/20538/

Also not quite long ago,NAFDAC RE-CERTIFICATION took place.
On page 5 of the manual reads:-Address by Mrs Hauwa keri,Director-Establishment & inspection,NAFDAC.
We are really glad that you were able to respond to NAFDAC's invitation to attend this workshop which we have themed ''Packaged water:The importance of Quality''.
....,
in his remark at the 1th workshop in Abuja in february,the Honourable Minister for Health,Dr Muhammed Ali Pate,stated that water is so very important for health,well being and survival.

**The biz of water is linked inextricably to health and survival.
The consumption of water can affect all of us including manufacturers and their families,and therefore ,it is in the best interest of all to provide good quality water to the populace.

** it is therefore,imperative for all of us to pay attention to what is being organized by NAFDAC.
He urged the industry to think of sustainability of environment and therefore come up with ways to re-cycle empty plastics instead of littering our streets and spoiling the environment.

Our govt is like a person speaking with both ends of the mouth.
There is no cohesion in making and implementation of policy in our dear country.
These govt officials that make unguarded statement do not know that Prof Dora Akunyili travelled the whole nation to sensitise the people about opportunity in pure water and fruit juice.I attended one of seminar at Enugu in 1998.
The first speculation came and fizzled out,this on will follow suit

Regarding your concern for small pet bottle.
One of our Govt official suggested degradable paper for packaging water so that instead of having pure water we now have paper water.

Finally,let me give you a secret wording.
Govt of Nig is at our mercy.
The only problem is that ATWAP does not know what's in their hand.

NUPENG/PENGASSEN has held this country hostage in the past.If ATWAP shut down for one day the effect will be worst.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 10:57am On Sep 06, 2013*

Excelboi: I dey feel you sir. Carry on! And b4 dat, hw wia u able to tackle the issue of people buying on credits without willing to repay back reluctantly? Pls share more.

Pure water is a fast selling product as a result the credit duration is usually small say 1-2 days and sometimes 1wk.

This depend on your arrangement with the customer e.g some buy and sell finish before they pay and carry another one.In other words this customer is always owning but permanently is yours.You can only raise eyebrow if he buys another product without reasons.

Others owe because perhap they are not with cash instanta.So the arrangement is either come later that day or tomorrow.

Also in granting credit consider the quantity and turnover.Check if your cashflow can accomodate such.

In any case,you can give credit to someone you have known or done biz over time.At least be sure of their shop and be able to recognise them.Credit facility is one of benefit of their being your CUSTOMER. Dont just enter the street and start giving credit.No, you may lose money.

If i get you right,you said some people collect and pay reluctantly.
Well if somebody takes my goods ,the person must pay.No two ways about it.But remember to be gentle in all cases,dont use force.Keep explaining.

FINALY,for efficient management of this credits,there is need for documentation.The sales boy can use 2 hard cover notebook i.e one big note for daily sales and another small one for old debt collected, to be written on first half of the book and the other half for expenses.The format and pic of these are shown in my ebook ''PURE WATER BUSINESS DEMYSTIFIED''

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Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 2:27pm On Sep 03, 2013*

This is what we did.
We choose a route and stick to it.
We talked to every prospective buyer and those that accepted us became our customers.
We made sure we enter the market @7.00am to increase our chances of patronage.
WE MADE OURSELF AVAILABLE WHEN THE PRODUCT IS NEEDED.

MONDAY MARKET is very crucial in the biz,If you delay or lose the chance to sell on monday.Then you have lost the better part of the week.We continue to push on, even on those that refused over time.
If you take out water as a beginner and did not sell,dont be fainthearted ,continue to patrol your targeted niche for by so doing you pass the message to customers that you are readily available and close.They will mark you down,this pays off in hot season.

All these gave us only relative success ,we did not make the kind of money we are yearning for.
For christ sake,we are fresh graduates and needed to pick real cash.We were keen to press a button to win the jackpot.

Then we discovered that all promises made by other pure water companies were not fulfilled. We capitalised on it.
We asked many other people and confirmed this as true.We also discovered how USED they felt after these disappointments.

We said oh! If thats the case.
Then if we deliver to these few customer of ours,it will definitely have multipler effect.

First we made sure we sold to them over time,so we are sure they are for us.
Then we told them that at a coming festive period we will SHARE A GIFT ITEM X.

They doubted us and said we are trying to deceive them like other companies.
We told them we mean it.But the few that believed in us said if we are able to do what we said,WE TAKE OVER THE MARKET. We had to play this game.

So,at appointed time,we bought and customised plenty of ITEM X,shared to our customer and the result was marvelous.

Guess what? Trust women now.They carried the news everywhere that whenever we are passing,somebody will come and ask ''Are you the people sharing ITEM X?
We say YES, she buys and ofcourse demand for her own gift of which my response will be ''well,since you just started buying from us,you have to buy over time to qualify for a gift.
Like this a whole lot of customers joined our fold.

They carried out person to person advertisement for free.
WITH THIS ,THE CASH CAME.
People were stunned the way we took over the market.

More question on gray areas before i continue.

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Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 2:21pm On Sep 02, 2013*

@Excelboi,
This is just the begining and i will appreciate it if our disscusions remain interactive.

In addition to what i said above,let me say that our packaging was very UNIQUE and that singled us out.This made it hard for people to accept us but i will show you step by step how what is written in Psalm 118:22 became our portion.

''The stone which the builders rejected as worthless turned out to be the most important of all''

Now,since you have already started ,it means you have things on ground .So let us cut it short and start from where you are.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 2:53pm On Aug 30, 2013*

Excelboi: Thnx for ur reply. Actually, our water company started its operations today and were able to make some sales of little above 100 bags. Most of them bought on credit in which i believe was intentional just to see how well they will sell it. There are many competitors arnd this area that was the exact reason i asked on how to attract customers as a new comer. When you started (or anyone you know who started as a newcomer) how were they able to break in despite the challenges? Pls ur input is needed or anybody who is in the biz.

Beautiful,am happy you are sounding this way which shows you want to know.
Let me tell you something from my own experience.
when we started,our packaging and print was not the best(deep blue and red).it was not acceptable in town,customers keep on telling us to change to a common color(light blue,royal blue).
infact sometimes when our water leaks the printing paint goes with it.our print was bad,infact the tiles in our production room was for a long decolored by our print.you can imagine that.
In the market place,we were competing with about 6-7 competitors.
some are near while some come from far.
There is this particular competitor that control the larger part of the market,whenever they come out before us ,the only option left for us is to pack our vehicle and close for the day.Anyday we come out before them,customers that wish to patronise us or that was forced to partonise us due to pressure may buy 3-5 bag until their favourite customer comes.
we started thinking of the way out.we started going far to people we know or have close relationship with.
but the truth is that we need a close niche to survive,we need a close market because we have less cash in our disposal.Those far customers we service them in the night or early morning because we could not afford stickers.
Ultimately,it dawn on us that if we are to really survive we have to FIGHT TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR TERRITORY.

Then we entered into a study.A STUDY OF WHAT? A study of our strength and weaknesses, what made us different?
we studied the strength and weaknesses of all competitors,their mode of operations,the type of personnel our competitors use,the nature and state of vehicle of our competitors,their relationship with customers,Working time frame,We also discovered that promises made by these companies were not fulfilled etc
AS A RESULT OF THIS WE STRATEGISED.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 12:59pm On Aug 27, 2013

hello 1Achiever,
The machine is good.But here you can get Original dinglin for #320,000 or less.
so since 1dollar is say #160.you can then compare and contrast.

Again,the type of business to establish depends os
1,cash available
2,favourable business from your reseach
3,The type of stress you are ready to absorb.
4,perhaps age consideration and others

My opinion is as follows
PURE WATER PRODUCTION
This will pull through because Abuja is generally a hot zone.

NYLON RECYCLING
only if you can articulate and cordinate your sourcing.

NYLON PRODUCTION
This could be okay since most producers go as far as lagos state to buy material.

bye

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 12:34pm On Aug 27, 2013

Excelboi: Trying to bring the thread alive. @kabarka, how can one break into the market for competition and how to win customers? thnx

For me Excelboi,this your question worths a million and i have been hungry for someone to throw it up in the direction i want to the benefit of all.But unfortunately no new comers in the industry has been able to share with us their experiences.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 10:36am On Aug 23, 2013

saoron: Hi,
Anyone know where i can get a Nylon Bag Making Machine, will be much obliged for the information.

Hey,give me a call.

Business To Business › Re: Carbonated Drink Mixer For Sale by kabarka(op): 10:26am On Jul 05, 2013

still available

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 6:33pm On Jun 06, 2013

Plz all that reqested should check their mail.thanks

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 12:11pm On Mar 03, 2013

Oyinfemi: Mr kabarka, I sent you a mail last week requesting to meet you at ph.I'm still waiting for your response oh.

i have forgotten oh!,
have been carried away by many activities.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 6:26pm On Feb 19, 2013

madam L: One way these days of lowering cost is to operate close to home or time supplies very well. One producer in my area who sells close to his factory, uses less than five litres to supply 400 bags while some run all the way to the Island with 30 litres to supply two hundred bags.

Please everyone,look at that extract above.
The important of carving out a NICHE for your product,the closer the better.Some people produce water,put it in the vehicle and make sure they run around the whole town trying to sell it.THIS IS WRONG.
Look! you must be ready to fight war or outwit, your competitors to gain in the biz.Call it intellectual warfare,whatever.
Funny enough,this warfare starts when you have conceived in your heart that you want to have a water factory NOT WHEN YOU HAVE STARTED PRODUCING.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 5:48pm On Feb 04, 2013

Thanks for the complements.
I will forward the free documents to you right away, all things being equal.
About the research material,it may not answer all your question because you have a part to play but it will help you develop right mindset and winning mentality for the biz.To obtain it,click my signature just below every of my post.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 8:09am On Feb 03, 2013*

okine4real: what is happening. i buy five and half bags of pure water in fadeyi for 300 Naira. is this pure water business still lucarative or its the bottle water that is lucrative?

That qty @ that price is a sign of stiffer competition.That does not make the biz less lucrative but if you want to be successful in lagos you must acquint yourself with wisdom and accurate knowledge and information.There are factors to consider that favours lagosians more than producers outside lagos.Some of these factors they take for granted.For example: some producers outside lagos pay as much as #30,000 per ton to transport their material.Whereas this could be zero expense for lagosians.So one has to think twice before cutting price outside lagos or risk closing down.Thing that will make you profit are subtle in nature like market proximity,qty of bags customer can buy.Rate of purchase of customer.Capacity of vehicle,how cheap to get good material etc.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 10:57am On Jan 29, 2013*

It seems that the year is starting in a convenient way(people buying into franchise and marketing liberalisation).
@watervendor and djsmoothy is at it.
I have said before ,this a sure stress free method of running this biz.
It is left for the owner to decide on when to start such system.For example
1,A factory owner may first establish a brand,then liberalise the marketing section.
2,Another may consider managing that section too stressful and so liberalise
3,Another for the sake of easier accounting
4,etc

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 10:40am On Jan 29, 2013

cybereagle: @kabarka, please can send me all necessary information required, including costs for production and distribution of pure water in Lagos. Hope to hear from you soon.
email: babs_o@hotmail.com

Madam L is in lagos to help you on this one.

Business To Business › Re: Carbonated Drink Mixer For Sale by kabarka(op): 4:40pm On Jan 04, 2013

Still available

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 10:58am On Jan 01, 2013

Congratulations everyone for entering into the new year 2013.....To God be the glory...HAPPY NEW YEAR.

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Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 2:07pm On Dec 18, 2012

boladonas: @Kabarka,

I need information to start up this business. I have a plot of land built for it, I have a borehole in place and I have a delivery van ready

Boladonas@yahoo.com

You are half way conviniently there.
Get a consultant in ur area will give u idea of what Nafdac want structurally.
Then start registration.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 1:52pm On Dec 18, 2012

[quote author=Mr.Bright]Hi Karbarka,i need an advise on what to do,in my area where i already got half plot purely for d biz,i was told dat nobody has successfully dug borehole in d neighbourhood,because d land has some particle of limestone underneath.Also one producer in d neighbourhood is using well water.Pls would NAFDAC approve well water for me too and what do you think is d implication in d future...Pls do send me price lists of d equipments also.Thanks and God bless u....gbengabright@yahoo.com.[/quote]You need to find a reputable borehole firm that will give good service.NAFDAC WILL NOT APPROVE WELL water FOR WATER PROD. And you need RO for better purification.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 9:12am On Nov 21, 2012

I Hate 9ja: @ karbaka and madam L.pls can u run a pure water bizness in 9ija while abroad.in a nut shell,is this bizness a absentee bizness or the owner needz to oversee all the activities @ the factory........................pls ur views and response are expected and appreciated

it is not an absentee bizness but that does not mean it can never be.It is a matter setting up a viable system.A chapter was devoted to system in pure water biz demystified.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 8:29am On Nov 21, 2012*

My Answers to okine4real's questions
Interesting analysis.
Your analysis no 1-2 is correct but no 3-4 is muddled .I will make it clearer for you .

ANALYSIS NO 3
If your material (nylon) gives you 22bags per kg.Then 500kg will give you
11,000bags.

Mathematically speaking
1kg = 22bags
500kg = ?

Therefore
500(kg)/1kg *22bags =
11,000 bags
This is total number of what 500kg will give you.

Then,for you to get ideal total amount to be realise from this.
Remember that for every 10bags you give 1bag.Ok

so since 11bags = N700
11000bags = ?
Therefore
11000 bags/11bags * 700
=N700,000
are you clear @ okine4real?

Question no 5
in every biz overhead and salary are always there But above all you have to adopt strategies that lowers your expenses.
For example
it is advisable to buy new vehicle or at least direct tokunbo for this bizness.Never go for nigerian used if you cherish peace of mind.

It is adviceable to be in your own land instead of rentage.

Finally,the qty you sell depends on the profile of customers you have or type of market you control.
Some sell 500bag/day
some sell 2000bag/day etc

How to create,maintain and dominate markets and how to create high profile buyers are dealt with in my own books.

Am always looking forward to critical thinkers like you,okine4real.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 2:46pm On Oct 15, 2012

madam L: sanitation endedat lagos island by midnight and so supplies will resume there at the agreed prices of eighty and hundred naira for distributors and loaders respectively. we are planning to clean the island regularly rather than once in a long while.

This action(sanitation) of lagos producers is a sure proof that they want to maintain the price at 80 and 100 which is very good for them.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 5:43pm On Oct 08, 2012

stanlolo85: Hello Karbaka,
I want to venture into pure water prdtn, the factory will be sited in my father's house, bore hole already in place. But it looks like I am late in this forum, please assist me with your Ebook and info 1&2 and advise me on how to go about Nafdac registration process so I can commence by Jan 2013. The site will be in Anambra State.

Thanking you for your good work in this forum.
My Email: stanforall2009@yahoo.com

Have forwarded you some info.
But you are not late.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 11:41pm On Oct 06, 2012

Okay,i get it.You people remove only sachet.
But after removing the sachet,what do you dn with it?

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 12:02pm On Oct 03, 2012

madam L: santation kicks off at lagos island as all water suppliers there will as from tomorrow begin a thorough clean up of the entire area. we will sweep pick sachets clean all gutters and drainages and move through de length and breath of lagos island. the only thing we wont do is to jump into de lagoon to pick out sachets. we want to contribute our quota to flood prevention in lagos. our distributors will also be part of this effort. we plan to put in place permanent plans for regular cleaning

That is a commendable SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY that can guaranttee ur FIXED PRICE.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 11:56pm On Oct 01, 2012

@imaawill
You joined us at a perfect time.
I assume ur email is
i.ighedosa@gmail.com
with what you have now, you be starting at an advantageous position.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 10:57pm On Sep 29, 2012

dehephzy: This is to let you know that we print on pure water sachet nylon with a very cheap price. (We print both rubber stereo and gravion)
We shall offer you good and desirable service if we are given an opportunity. Call 08028983655 or 08134419426 - Gbolahan
email- mrpreciousy@yahoo.com
Looking forward to doing BUSINESS with you.
Thank you

@dehephzy
nice to have you here.

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 4:50pm On Sep 28, 2012*

@thosedays
I first sent you mail on 21th sept,2012.
I have also send it again today.

@scalarkoko
i know we have exchanged mail severally but check ur inbox.

@madam L
lagosians shld continue to set the pace.Am confident that if they get it right,somehow it will spead to other states.Its a matter of leadership will.

As for my area,we are selling 80,70 and 60.
Today i visited an old customer who told me he never bought water for more than 60 and in my presence somebody brought 110 bags for 5000.
This is our situation now.

Business To Business › Re: Carbonated Drink Mixer For Sale by kabarka(op): 12:23pm On Sep 27, 2012

Still availble

Business › Re: Pure Water Biz(Discuss) by kabarka(op): 5:02pm On Sep 19, 2012

One good thing about this arrangement is that,there is comparative sharing of stresses associated in this biz.
it is actually difficult for one person to manage a whole lot of systems.
it take a long time to be used to such stresses.
come to think of it.
it gives a whole lot of relief,when a producer makes his money as the sachet drops from the machine.
no fuel expenses,no vehicle maintenance,no L.G.A stickers etc to worry about.Today a friend producer called me that his vehicle has been ceased by a group of people demanding BIZ PREMISES OPERATION PERMIT,stuffs like that.

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