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Tinfoil:
How Nigeria is exploited.

One of the criticisms is that Nigeria exports oil only to import the same oil back again because it cannot refined enough for domestic needs. Why spend million on defense instead of building the economy first


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Dk_LzL9Zc

This is redundant. Nigerian has a lot of modular refineries which are privately owned.

Nigeria also has the world's largest refinery, with a capacity to refine 650,000 barrels per day.


Ten modular refineries set for production in Niger Delta


https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/ten-modular-refineries-set-for-production-in-ndelta/amp/

jln115:
You couldn't tell a bigger lie even if you tried...... You don't want me to dig up old posts of yours do you?

Bros, you have me confused.

jln115:
You will be one of the first to blow your top if similar videos were posted of a Nigerian origin.... So let's not be hypocrites!!

I don't care about Nigeria. Don't fool yourself bros.

GreenandGold:
That is not a demo, it was a rehearsal. The vehicle came from an incline at a high speed while having a high turn radius.

This is what rehearsals are for, to test your setup. Even professional dancers fall during rehearsals.

Get over it, move on.

Don't take comment on the internet too seriously. You'll have a high BP if you continue.

jln115:
Not to long ago I reversed into a Parked car behind me, sh1t happens, it was an accident...........also nobody was injured and their was no loss of equipment, all in all this is a very insignificant incident.

Did you see that video?

Don't be ridiculous bros.

jl115:
This incident is reckless yes hence why it's being investigated, however recklessness is certainly not pervasive in the SANDF....as you claim

Also it doesn't matter if its a peacetime army or not, accidents happen all over the world with every military in the world... Including the Nigerian military.

Lastly your link doesn't work

Here it is.

It's quite embarrassing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/citrusramaphosa/status/1231677015524290567

jl115:
Lastly nobody is perfect, you can even youtube army fails and you'll see even more glaring mistakes by militaries from Europe and America it was a simple mistake that is being investigated by the SANDF.

Deal with the issues. Recklessness is quite pervasive in the SANDF.

We're talking about a peacetime army, not one at war.

What about this one?

https://mobile.twitter.com/stoneman_o/status/1231634153097105409

kikuyu1:
Even if you have extremely expensively trained specops how to suport them when your conventional forces are ill equipped with scant obsolete platforms? My goodness-they still have WW 2 T-34s!?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Guinea_Armed_Forces

Just remembered we already had this convo last year concerning Cote de Ivoire,another underequipped force.



Getting proper equipment/training and tactics for conventional forces should be the priority instead of training a handful to make tacticool displays.

What is the defence budget of Guinea and Ivory Coast.

There is no way guinea can have a well equipped conventional army, it's not possible as they have no money.

What they can have is a small well trained special force, equipped with armoured vehicles or AA mounted on pick-up trucks and backed by French air power.

As we all saw in Nayrab in Syria this weak, a competent air force can ensure victory for an ill-equipped force provided that the enemy has no air cover of it's own, even in the case were the enemy has a better army.

Nigerian soldiers.

kikuyu1:
Thing is specops aren't designed for traditional warfare and need to be supported by conventional forces.



https://cco.ndu.edu/PRISM-6-3/Article/1020999/special-operations-forces-and-conventional-forces-integration-interoperability/

Here's an often real world example of their usage. A 12 man section of the Guinean specops tracks a coy sized unit of rebels to the SL/Liberia border. After committing a massacre of some 50 innocents in the interior they're now relaxed on the very doorstep of their rear bases. What to do?
-engage with your 1 mn$ trained operators?
-call the Su 25s/L159s/Hinds
-call in a conventional motorised unit to destroy them

But,your guys aren't supermen contrary to what the media would tell us and you have no air apart from extremely limited lift of 4 Y-12s and your ancient serviceable armour could never make it to the scene in time. Familiarise yourself with Jean-Fraude's misdeeds in Africa including sponsorship of BH and the Sahel jihadists. Ask the Ivorians who was behind their civil war. They're extremely unreliable as allies and in the real world everyone has their own agenda-nobody will fight for you out of altruism!

A proper conventional force is a prerequisite for any true specops-the former precedes the latter.

Here where you get it wrong. You still see spec ops through the prism of cold war lens. Today US special ops team number close to 75,000 men.

Today's special ops teams are primarily counterterrorism teams. In Nigeria we have the AFSF and MSF leading conventional attacks and backed by the rest of the army.

I'm not referring to long range reconnaissance teams.

As we can see special forces in Turkey, Russia, and America. They are heavily armed, heavily armoured with the support of significant air power.

kikuyu1:
Errr,no.

Have you seen the armour poured in by Turkey into Idlib?

It is very massive.

kikuyu1:
Guinean spec ops? It cost up to 30x more to train a true operator-the live ammo,attrition rate,higher end personal kit eg,3000$ SCAR Hs,flights to Israel,Russia and other first world training facilities and support elements,insertion choppers,ATvs etc,etc all ramp up the cost enormously. Btw,the training never ends. Even after qualifying the specops guys continue training lest their skills rust.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/us/special-ops-retro.html

Wiki says these guys have only a reinf. battalion of ancient T 55s and PT 76s. Who would properly support the Guinean pipe hitters? Is such a unit even a priority over a properly equipped conventional force? I think not.

I don't quite agree with this.

I think having a small well trained, well equipped force is better for Guinea, especially when you take into account that they would be backed by French air power.

They would be more effective than a large poorly equipped force.

kikuyu1:
Even a le Clerc needs to be properly deployed-smth the Saudis still haven't realised. IIRC,I've seen a captured Emirati le Clerc. Officially,actually according to https://lostarmour.info/yemen/ they and their allies have lost over 900 MRAPs!? If you've seen them in combat you'd not be surprised,though.

Edit: here's the pic. Even the US admit the Saudi crypto Zionists are hopeless!
https://theintercept.com/2019/04/15/saudi-weapons-yemen-us-france/

Look how much effing money they spend!? Hundreds of Black Hawks,Hueys,Apaches and Cougars and CAS is still a mystery-WATF!

The conflict in Syria continues to evolve, as we have seen in Idlib, Russia, Syria and Iran on one side against Turkey, Al-qeada allies on the other side.

Each side with heavy armour. What this particular conflict especially the recently failed attack by Turkey and Al-Qeada on the town of Al-Nayrab in Idlib shows that armour as a stand alone assets is not effective especially when your opponent has round the clock aerial surveillance and significant air power.

I was thinking that with all the armour the Turkey side has, they would be able to defeat the Syria+Russia side, irrespective of the Air Power on the Syria+Russia side.

Although these are still early days, but we have to wait and see.

Lurker4Long:
Aerial view of SANDF Mechanised Columns, Armed Forces Day 2020.

Credit: Warrant Officer 1 Christo Crous

If it were Nigeria, we would be seeing Toyota Landcruisers everywhere.

I don't Know why the government in Nigeria cannot purchase 1,000 units of ARA MRAP APC, and 1,000 units of Ezugwu MRAP APC.

lionel4power:
For starters, JV GROM Personnels ROUTINELY FIGHT ALONGSIDE THE U.S NAVY SEALS AND BRITISH SAS.

how many times has the Nigerian SF (OF ANY TYPE) fought actively with any major country's S.F in another country except theirs?

You don't seem to understand English bros.

I'm asking you what has GROM achieved in COIN that the Nigerian Navy SBS hasn't achieved.

You're telling me they go on operations with US Navy seals. Your comments makes no sense.

I'll like to leave this discussion at that, as despite numerous calls for evidence you've not shown any proof that GROM has any operational experience higher than Nigerian navy SBS.

lionel4power:
If you don't already know the exploit of the GROM, from Afganistan to Iraq then you don't need to be here.
You think Taliban is Boko Haram?
Or Saddam Hussein is Shekau?

HAHAHA

Bros, this is embarrassing.

I thought you are smarter than this.

I said sight verifiable instances?

So it was Grom that killed Saddam Hussein?

What tactics have been employed by the Taliban that Boko-Haram has not used?

lionel4power:
Google is friendly to everybody mate.

Also, they've been existing before your country decided to create any sort of 'special force' unit.

Bros, don't tell us they have been existing. Giving the current terrorism challenge, what have they achieved, that's the question, not google is friendly.

lionel4power:
Don't play with the GROM... we no be mate bro.

Where's the proof to show they are successful. Doing Gucci photoshoots is not a sign of success bros.

Nigerian SBS has proven battle success from the creeks to the desert to Gambia, Chad.

Countries that depend on America for their security, those are the countries Nigeria should learn from? Some of you guys are funny.

As far as SF are concerned, Nigeria, South-Africa, Zimbabwe have proven records of success enough to dwarf many of these European countries.

Odunayaw:
What experience. We're talking about SF that fought a more sophisticated COIN in Afghan/Iraq. You compare BH to Taliban/ISIS?
What intense battles? Which do you know of that you might like to share. What missions all over West Africa! Must you exaggerate!

Fine they depend on said countries for Tech and share tactics but there's no dependence in a firefight. These guys are held in high esteem by US and UK.

There are few things these countries' SF can teach us! It was not to far in the past our SBS learnt better techniques in CQC/CQB from this same ones.

Bros let's agree to disagree.

Odunayaw:
I disagree. You do not know the pedigree of these guys at all. The same Grom that Delta Force applauded in WoT (Afghan/Iraq). Highly rated among ISAF or JTF2 that has a sniper with longest range kill.
These are lazy examples tho but those guys have what to teach us in tactics in other spectrums.
Fine they may not be accustomed to the African theatre but there's a whole spectrum of Special warfare these guys have done well and more than us.

Luckily the guys at the front are humble.

No offence Sir, there is nothing Canada, Austria and Poland can teach Nigeria in COIN warfare. This is the fact. We have more experience than them, fought in more intense battles and have carried out missions all over west africa single handedly . Those guys depend most entirely on America and Britain.

Odunayaw:
What do we have over Jagdkommando, Polish JW Grom or Canada's JTF2. Are you for real?

We have Navy SBS, Army SF, Air Force SF with nearly 10 years progressive experience in combating terrorism on the land and the sea, and in intense combat environment. We should be training those people bros. Only the Americans and Brits have more than Nigeria.

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Sizzorkay:
haha, my bad guys, there's always a part of me that find these kind of training videos irritating, I mean , really? Was that dude showing Nigerian soldiers how to handle a rifle? How the fvk are these people supposed to respect us when we need them for something so elementary.
Sure I'm naive about military matters, won't lie, but still, we've have an army for how many fvking decades now? And this is what they are being trained for? By some foreign soldier? damn.
How many times we ever have joint exercise with these people? Without them being in the lead showing our soldiers how to draw map in the sand
#don'tkillme.
Just irritated

You know this exercise is in multiple stages?

It also includes helicopter insertion, counter ambush, close quarter fighting, medical evacuation, paratroop insertion and a lot more.

What I agree is a soldier from Austria, Poland or Canada should not be instructing troops in this flintlock exercise. I don't see what they bring to the table, in most cases the African troops are far more experienced than they are.

On the training side, at least the Nigerian navy had almost 10 joint training exercise with foreign partners last year.

Nigerian navy and Nigerian army soldiers at the shooting range.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDlNi1CaZ5E

Nigerian Troops

kennybabs1980:
Chuks is a great guy, a good friend of mine in my office. He's happily married as far as I'm concerned. His wife is a school teacher and they have two kids. But I noticed that a particular beautiful lady comes to check on him in the office at least once a week. I asked him about the lady last week, he said she's just a friend. When I probed further, I discovered that the lady is a single mother of two and works as a nurse. That's last week.
trouble for him in his family?

You're friend's approach makes a lot of sense to me. Some women have become "ireasonable".

If the side chick can bring him peace of mind, let him continue.

That's what I also do.

BMC Kipri

This vehicle is both ugly and beautiful, all at the same time.

jteku:
Nigerian Army Troops. Ex Flintlock '20 Senegal.

Can you post a screenshot of the troops close to the mud hut?

jteku:
Nigerian Army Troops. Ex Flintlock '20 Senegal.

The Nigerian army Camo is so nice.

shadowprimezero:
Republic of Guinea. Special Forces

They look so modern.

Nigerian Soldiers in Close Quarter Training