Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 5:12pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
Nemesis4you: My take is different
How much weapons will u buy ? that will guarantee u security , it will never be enough bro
( That doesn't mean one should not invest , imo what one should do is invest in local MIC )
Biggest need is economic might and well being of citizens , which allows for diplomatic might, military might and might of nationalism
Spending on military without spending on infrastructure is harakiri , in that case own citizens will turn hostile or exploited by enemies to win without firing a single bullet
Don't get fooled by events they are misleading due to erroneous perceptions , we see only a small part of the picture which interests us , hence we miss bigger picture
Eg in the context of current events Russia will loose to china going forward ie became totally dependent on them , what did Russia gain by invading Ukraine ? land ? Which it already has in abundance but cannot exploit ( Russians in Siberia is outnumbered by Chinese 1:10 as of now) threat of NATO will remain , NATO is not disappearing post Ukranian invasion is it
Nations with weak military's in geoproximity should band together for mutual defence imo. I mean invest in enough military hardware to have a sizable deterrence. A good example is Algeria. They seem to have a good balance. Should Taiwan be attacked today, what happens? Like I pointed out earlier, look at Nigeria's position in Africa, almost completely surrounded on all sides by France. In the event that the country is attacked today, what happens? While economic prosperity should be the focal point of every country, countries need to also have a decent military. NATO would be mindful of expanding towards Russia post-ukrainian invasion. This is the point for this military invasion. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 5:00pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
Nemesis4you: Ukrainians from the beginning made foolish decisions
How could they overlook their geographical proximity ie vulnerability is beyond me
If one is weaker one must never incite the immediate next door stronger neighbour bec his one foot is inside ur home already , u will definitely suffer
A nation which is militarily and economically weak should never ask for or trust any guarantees of protection from other countries bec no nation however powerful will risk its own for a weak nation unless it itself is at risk next
Ukraine should have instead concentrated on building up its military and local MIC while engaging west for economic growth , after that only it should have done anything which would have allowed it to stand on its own feet against any aggression
Their leaders were too jigniostic overlooking ground realities as to where Ukraine stood with respect to capabilities to deter any aggression, banking on so called support from West or anyone is height of foolishness
I don't support Russia in this bec of the ramifications of their actions will interest replication of same by other countries , only country to benifit in all this is china, Russia will wither away gradually over the years and end up as a shadow of china bec of huge sanctions
If china tries to replicate Russia and Taiwan falls , Japan Korea will scramble for nukes and this will cascade worldwide
If ind.. gets attacked 2 front another Pandora's box will open
No a small country need not pick sides , it depends on them , if they r clever enough they can manage
IMO Russia made the first step to digging it own grave which is unfortunate , they will now never be able to break out of Chinese grip unless something drastic happens I mean a small country on the border of a big country has to pick the side of it's bigger neighbour. You simply can't be neutral. I too think the Russians made a huge mistake by invade Ukraine, they were options short of an invasion that could have deterred the Ukrainians. I agree with the rest of your comment, and I also think Russia has dug it's economic hole. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 4:49pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
GreenandGold: The lesson is simple; don't weaken you military to gain popularity votes like Ukraine leaders did.
They had 770k soldiers in the 90s, the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world and thousands of tanks.
They gave up the nucles, shrank the military (even though they had a constant threat from Russia) and then allowed their hardware to be outdated. This was all in the name of social and infrastructural programs.
See what they got now? This is the same problem that could happen to my own country as well, too much social and useless infrastructure programs eating up on defence money. They did not give up their nukes, the weapons belonged to the USSR and Russia had the keys to all nuclear bombs in the USSR, so technically those nukes always belonged to Russia. This conflict shows that if you don't have the money to spend on your military, align with the closest military power to you. It was a terrible mistake asking to join NATO, and if the scenario was turned around and the US and Russia were to switch sides, the Americans would do the same thing. Russian SEAD missions today were incredibly effective though. I will say South-Africa is at least geographically safe, Nigeria on the other hand is completely surrounded by France on virtually all sides, plus the Nigerian military is a joke. We might be strong to deal with local African wars, but an invasion like we are seeing in Ukraine by France and we will collapse. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 3:57pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
Nemesis4you: Anyways what the biggest lesson from the Ukraine and Russia conflict ?
Don't become a pawn for others / a pawn in a game between giants, when elephants dance ants get killed From an African, specifically Nigerian perspective, this conflict shows the need to invest properly in modern military equipment. You might have all the fancy roads, bridges and infrastructure all you like. All it takes for all that infrastructure to come down is a properly timed cruise missile. Sadly all the countries in sub-saharan Africa have very weak militaries. MRAPs and Armoured vehicles don't win wars. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 3:51pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
Nemesis4you: Anyways what the biggest lesson from the Ukraine and Russia conflict ?
Don't become a pawn for others / a pawn in a game between giants, when elephants dance ants get killed This is the biggest take away from this conflict. However for small nations what options do we really have? A small country has to pitch sides with a larger neighbour. It was daft for the Ukrainians to ask to join NATO, I don't support this Russian invasion of the country, but better, smarter decisions should have been made. What's your opinion about this war? |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 10:03am On Feb 24, 2022 |
Stormtrooper11: Chief, the Cuban 1961 missile crisis comes to mind. If Ukraine is allowed to join NATO today, the possibility of the United States having military bases in Ukraine is 90%. Kiev is approximately 800km from the Russian border. That's a threat to the Russian Federation existence. We all know the US. They don't mind their business. They like poking into the internal affairs of nations of the world. If the US is in Ukraine, it will be only be a matter of time before the US starts sponsoring movements to topple the Russian government and destroy the Russian state as we know it. The likes of Navalny will spring up in Moscow. Russia will then be ruled by puppets. In that stage, war will be unavoidable.
The Americans are hypocrites. E.g.They cannot let allow Mexico join something like a Warsaw pact or allow the Mexicans to be Pro-Russian but they want Ukraine to join NATO in the name of "Freedom". The Cuban missile crisis showed us that. Russia has to invade because it's threatened. These are legitimate security concerns. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:28am On Feb 24, 2022 |
Why is Russia attacking Ukraine?
Anyone following this operation keenly enough to help break down the reasons for this military invasion? |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 1:45pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
South African Navy MMIPV
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:29pm On Feb 22, 2022 |
Nigerian Air Force JF-17 armed with laser guided bombs and Aselpod targeting pod.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:21am On Feb 20, 2022 |
South African Navy Inshore Multi-mission Patrol Vessel.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 6:33pm On Feb 19, 2022*. Modified: 8:23am On Feb 20, 2022 |
Nigerian Navy NNS Oji (P275)
Seaward Defence Boat 3 is a 45 meters long vessel locally designed, built and delivered to the Nigerian Navy.
The vessel is armed with a 30mm Remote Weapon Station, 4 units of 50 caliber Heavy Machine Guns and a 40mm Grenade launcher.
The Nigerian Navy intends to mass produce this class of ship, with 2 additional units currently been built at the Dockyard.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 1:47pm On Feb 16, 2022 |
Nigerian built P275 NNS Oji of the Nigerian Navy.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 9:03pm On Dec 26, 2021 |
Lurker4Long: There's also no rule that states 3 helicopters deployed must be replaced by 3 helicopters. Actually, all decent militaries apply this rule: 1 in the field/ops, 1 in maintenance and 1 in training.
I don't think I've seen RSA fast jets used in any sort of combat before. Why would you have, when we've not been fighting any war since Angola?
Are you saying all maintenance must be done by Denel, what do SAAF engineers do then?
You do know what depot maintenance is right, after a 6 month deployment?
Another why out should be arming of SAAF AW-109 helicopters, this would help in increasing the number of SAAF combat helicopters in service. The A109 in SAAF service is a light utility/transport chopper.
23 dead for the loss of 1 is not a bad odd. Scores more dead, several bases raided and destroyed in many months now, with no fatalities on SAMIM side. How does the modern SAAF fight in combat, as far as I have seen, the SAAF always flies Attack helicopters in the DRC in pairs. So irrespective of what the rule says, the reality on the ground is there are always 2 SAAF in the air during combat operations. That rule doesn't really apply here. DRC, Bangui are two very recent examples where fast jets, light attack jets have been required but where never deployed. Depot maintenance, are you saying that there must be Denel staff present during Depot maintenance? What are SAAF engineers then trained to do? Do you not see the capability gap present? You cannot claim to have a rigid policy when the funds, equipment and trained personnel are not present. The French for example use the Gazelle for utility and attack, Nigerian Air Force use the A-109 for utility and attack. Russia use the MI-17 for utility and attack. There is no rule that says one size must fit and only work for one activity. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:19pm On Dec 26, 2021 |
jl115: extra protection around the cockpit  Yea. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:12pm On Dec 26, 2021 |
Lurker4Long: No, I don't. Don't know the official reason. But where will those attack helis come from? The SADC plan included them, which just means Angola or SA. Don't know about Angola, but here's the situation in SA: For the DRC mission: - 3 Rooivalk currently deployed in DRC; rotated every 6 months - 3 Rooivalk at Denel depot for maintenance, having come back from DRC deployment - 3 Rooivalk at 16 Squadron, next in line for DRC deployment and being used for pre-deplyment training. That's 9 Rooivalk tied up for the DRC mission.
That leaves 2 Rooivalk available to the Squadron for everyday training.
In short, they'd have to withdraw Rooivalk from DRC, to efficiently deploy to Mozambique without cutting corners.
Personal opinion: If Denel were in better shape, depot time could be cut by half, allowing one to insert a 3-month deployment cycle into the 6-month DRC one.
That's before we even consider the perennial question, where would the money come from? There seems to be a constant complain of money, money in RSA? Are there any massive government projects currently on- going that's taking the chunk of RSA government money or are we talking about a mismanagement issue here? With regards to the availability of helicopters you've explained and irrespective of the issues at Denel, I don't see how RSA cannot comfortably deploy 2 helicopters in Mozambique from the current fleet of helicopters available. From a fleet of 11 AH, at least half of that number should be available for combat. With 3 in action in the DRC, 2 units should be available for combat deployment. There's also no rule that states 3 helicopters deployed must be replaced by 3 helicopters. In the DRC, I know RSA helicopters fly in pairs, so there's always going to be 1 spare helicopter with lower flight time and the other two. Apart from AH, the South-African Air Force should be able to deploy hawk jets for CAS in Mozambique and the DRC. I don't think I've seen RSA fast jets used in any sort of combat before. Are you saying all maintenance must be done by Denel, what do SAAF engineers do then? Another why out should be arming of SAAF AW-109 helicopters, this would help in increasing the number of SAAF combat helicopters in service. Irrespective of the unfortunate passing of the RSA commando, SAMIM has so far given a good account of herself in Mozambique. 23 dead for the loss of 1 is not a bad odd. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:04am On Dec 26, 2021 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 5:01pm On Dec 25, 2021 |
Nigerian Navy NNS Oji
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 6:45am On Dec 25, 2021 |
Lurker4Long: Statement on the Botswana Government facebook page: BWgovernment Yesterday at 12:00 · MEDIA RELEASE: SAMIM KILLS TWENTY-THREE TERRORISTS In support of Forḉas Armadas de Defesa de Do you have a comprehensive list of SA military equipment deployed in Mozambique? What's the official reason for not deploying Attack Helicopters? |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 6:43am On Dec 25, 2021 |
Merry Christmas Everyone.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:31pm On Dec 24, 2021 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:30pm On Dec 24, 2021 |
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE DELEGATION’S VISIT TO ISTANBUL, TURKEY
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:28pm On Dec 24, 2021 |
In memory and to the honor of Corporal Tebogo Radebe. Warrior to the end. ��
Cpl Radebe - KIA 20 December, 2021.
SA Special Forces soldier killed in operation against terrorists in Mozambique.
RIP warrior.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:14pm On Dec 24, 2021 |
The United States government has blocked a sale of 50 armoured vehicles Kenya purchased.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:10pm On Dec 24, 2021 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:10pm On Dec 24, 2021 |
President Buhari holds emergency security meeting with service chiefs at Aso Villa, Abuja.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 11:35am On Dec 24, 2021 |
288 officers and men of the Nigerian Army have concluded a basic training vehicle course at the Nigerian Army training centre (NATRAC) Kontagora.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:39am On Dec 23, 2021 |
Nigerian Navy NNS Lana
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:27pm On Dec 22, 2021 |
Whyem15: As for the M-346, an official of the ministry of defense mentioned it in a documentary produced by the airforce, the airforce wouldn't include it if it wasn't true. Which is also very correct, but we have passed the end of year deadline he talked about in the documentary. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:26pm On Dec 22, 2021 |
shadowprimezero: The US has tried, and for the most part succeeded to keep the monopoly on UAV technology to itself for decades, since the debut of the MQ-1 Predator in Bosnia, 1995. The cat is now fully out of the bag and with the way Turkish drones in particular, are shifting the dynamics on multiple battlefields across the globe. The US naturally fears what it can't control and has come to the realisation that its options are limited in countering UAV proliferation on the geopolitical scene. Like I've told you time and again, don't underestimate the reach of American foreign policy. The Americans are brutal. Very good examples in recent times are AUKUS, Egypt and Indonesia abandoning their respective SU-35 deals in Russia and Denmark purchasing F-35s, even this same Turkey with the stalled sale of T-129s to Pakistan. The US will not allow Turkey grow it's defence industry to a point where it cannot exert influence on her. Another good example is Mali, Malian Air Force have been unable to receive Airbus C-295 transport planes it ordered from France. If the United States can humiliate France, it's ally from the American war of Independence, I don't know what you think Turkey a middle income country would be able to do. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:06pm On Dec 22, 2021 |
What does this even mean?
This statement makes no sense, does America expect the UAVs to be used against the Ethiopian government?
@shadowprimezero, these are the issues. They might be the best in the world, but America won't let them succeed.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 6:58pm On Dec 22, 2021 |
Lurker4Long: Speaking of PR, dominating the narrative means the Nigerian military has to be first in documenting its annual progress, and not have to react to something like this, which is now being referenced far and wide.
https://www.calibreobscura.com/the-weaponry-of-is-west-africa-attrition-continues/ While this is a PR coup for the insurgents, it doesn't really change battlefield dynamics on the ground. The Insurgents are contained primarily around Lake Chad and Northern Borno and have not made any gains anywhere else. Even the article from @CalibreObscura, who i consider a terrorists apologists/enabler doesn't point to any actual gains. A good measure is the quality of infrastructure currently been built by the State Governor in Borno state. For a state ravaged by an insurgency this level of infrastructural development, that impacts the lives of actual people in Borno state is impressive.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 6:40pm On Dec 22, 2021 |
shadowprimezero: Looks like Africa Intelligence is once again vindicated  We've been interested in the T-129 for a very long time now. Until we see the M-346 in Nigeria colours I'm still skeptical about Africa Intelligence. |