₦airaland Forum

youghs:
This is you just overhyping the worth of an IFV. IFV is not any magic weapon or a game changer, it's just an addition or rather an alternative. You can destroy a gun truck with 12.7mm RCWS(fire at the engine, take out the gunner, the driver and other occupants in the vehicle), the only difference is that the 30mm will burn them alive at the first or second burst.

In as much as I'm also a fan of an IFV and I will like the army to get some, It isn't going to change anything or win any war. We need to stop overhyping equipments just because we don't possess them.

I 100% agree with this.

Military commentators on twitter are guilty of and largely responsible for this.

Tobiloba24072:
I support him, and I feel you're wrong..... the stabilised platform and accuracy and safety almost akin to that of a MBT makes ifv really needed, it offers a lot of advantage almost cheating, when used against bht, if they are used in sufficient numbers, imagine placing accurate 30mm shots, from 3km , where by bht can't even see from that distance....left to me, I would prefer more ifv, that mbt, in the present fighting we have in the country.

IFVs and MBTs are all important. However I have noticed that most people on twitter who tweet in support of the Nigerian military, the likes of Deji and his crew have a habit of overhyping the military equipment.

The problem of the military is not the equipment, we have never had an equipment problem. The problems we see time and again is the man.

The training of the average Nigerian soldier needs to improve. The machine is nothing without the man.

We need to give our officers and men the right training before we talk of equipment. We buy hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment every year.

We don't have an equipment problem.

Take one example, I don't know if a majority of our troops are aware an MRAP is not an invincible vehicle. It is not IED proof, it is designed to get blown up while saving the life of the soldiers.

If we don't train our troops well, all the equipment we have bought would have been all for nothing.


It's the same way many people especially on twitter kept on calling the Super Tucano a game changer.

Fynline:
Looks like a NATO patch

It's a NATO patch, but the pilot is flying an MI-35 helicopter.

You can see in his glasses the reflection of an MI-35 landing gear, and significantly the S-8 Russian rocket launcher.

jl115:
Im pretty sure it's payment just for the 3 JF-17 NAF already bought..... There would have been an announcement either from NAF and definitely from the manufacturer if it is indeed a purchase for additional JF17

Plausible argument.

jl115:
Looking at the document its just a payment for the 3 JF-17 NAF already bought not 3 additional jf17s

I doubt it. Total payment for the 3 x units is 185 million USD.

I can't remember where I saw payment has been completed, but I would search for it and post.

Odunayaw:
Modest.

Of all, I'm happy about the Pumas, in the early days of the war they were overflogged. We need a squadron of medium lift helos honestly

I agree with this post. It is modest, but reasonably thought out purchases.

Let's see how things progress.

GeneralFarouq:
This brings an end to the debate whether or not NAF was satisfied with the jf-17
But seeing the term " balance payment" I hope it is not in reference to completing the payment for the earlier deliveries?

You are right, however from the budget of last year, 3 x JF-17 was new.

I think this is an ongoing, fresh purchase.

Nigerian Navy intends to purchase another LST.


This budget doesn't include the 2x OPV which the Navy has already received approval to purchase.

kabe1:
2022 budget proposal: NAF will replace both Beechcraft 350i ISR/ liaison aircrafts lost in fatal accidents earlier this year with 2 new King Air 360.

. Additional order for 3 x JF-17

• An earlier order for 1 Aw-139 has been changed to 2x Aw109 Trekker helicopters.

• Reactivation of 2x AS332 Super Puma’s.

balance payment for PDM of 3x L-39za (I believe these are the 3 aircrafts upgraded in Czech Republic)

• PDM and upgrade of 3 Mi series helicopters

NAF already received nearly 1 billion dollars in the recently passed supplementary budget.

With the funds covering the purchase of M-346FA and possibly additional MI-35M.

Nigerian Air Force A-29 Super Tucano

2022 budget proposal: NAF will replace both Beechcraft 350i ISR/ liaison aircrafts lost in fatal accidents earlier this year with 2 new King Air 360.

. Additional order for 3 x JF-17

• An earlier order for 1 Aw-139 has been changed to 2x Aw109 Trekker helicopters.

• Reactivation of 2x AS332 Super Puma’s.

balance payment for PDM of 3x L-39za (I believe these are the 3 aircrafts upgraded in Czech Republic)

• PDM and upgrade of 3 Mi series helicopters

lionel4power:
This is one example of different viewpoints I explained above.

You say Damen posted it months ago. Which is true, meanwhile Damen also posted it 3 days ago. Which is also true. The fact that you watched it months ago doesn't mean that others watched it at the same time.

Bottom line is, you're quite wrong to say its a distorted fact.

I apologise for my earlier comment.

However it still boils down to you doing proper OSINT before posting content, remember you want to be considered a credible source.

GeneralFarouq:
And Damen also posted it two days ago.

It doesn't change the fact that a basic research would have shown that the information he is sharing is not new.

As I've shown, it is months old info.

If you want to be taking seriously, as a news source you need to know how to carry out basic OSINT, which includes but is not restricted to fact checking, citing of sources etc etc.

As we can all see, he copied a Nigerian Navy/Damen video, did not acknowledge the source, plasted his logo on the video and shared it as some sort of "breaking news".


Was I wrong to say he distorts posts?

lionel4power:
This particular video was officially posted by Damen themselves 2 days ago. Look at the screenshot
....

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Bros, this video was shared months ago on the 7th of June 2021.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TmxBC4bzoo

lionel4power:
Meanwhile, I try
Here's the video

https://forum.military.africa/forums/topic/video-nigerian-navy-lst-100-landing-ship-tank-is-almost-ready/

The problem I have with you is, you don't seem to verify your information before posting.

You distort posts, I don't know if you do this deliberately or ignorantly but it happens to often not to be deliberate.

This information you posted is a Nigerian navy video, shared by the Nigerian navy months back when NNS Kada (Nigerian Navy LST) was launched.

It was shared here in this thread, on Facebook, Twitter & YouTube.

Why are you posting it now like it's some new information?

Happy Independence Day to my beloved country, Nigeria.

As a country, there are so many things to be proud of, but we understand that the challenges we face as a country are very tough, however they are not insurmountable.


Let us use this opportunity as Nigerians, both in Nigeria and in the Diaspora to reflect, reorganise and rebuild.


God Bless our country.

Mozambique Marauder MRAPs.

Stargate254:
I believe we can all agree that this is a pan African military forum and as such new users like chakib MUST be welcomed with both arms open.
This thread has been around for more than 10 years and in most times it's been mostly the usual suspects (people from the same countries) posting pics, so if an Algerian wants to cover all that time in one fell swoop, let him feel free to do so!
People from outside Nigeria don't just get to this thread because they saw an ad on some random website, they do so because they were searching for info about African Militaries and this thread was like finding a gold mine.

I pray that one day Egyptians, Ethiopians, Sudanes,Rwandans, Ugandans, Senegalese, Malians ... Even that country/state called Rep.of Saharawi (I hope I got that right) .... All represented fully!!!!

100% fully supported.

This thread needs more diversity. It would be better if we get more people outside Nigeria, South-Africa and Kenya posting.


I'll like to implore all participants of this thread, please be more welcoming.

The few picks Chakib has posted can't be compared to the thousands of Nigerian military photos here.

Fully loaded M346FA impressive flight demonstration.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K42Q3pP1sKk

View from a Nigerian Navy A109

Nigerian Air Force C-130 pictured in Italy.

Possible A109 or M346FA run??

Nigerian Air Force JF-17

Chakib:
i really don't know what pics were already posted but i'll try to bring more recent photos cuz im sure most of them are not yet published ,for the others i would like to see more pics of their armies instead of criticizing me

Please don't take internet criticism too seriously.

There are Nigerians, South-Africans, Algerians, Kenyans, Namibians, a Tunisian, a Zambian in the thread, and everyone is welcome to share photos of their country's military.

Photos that haven't been published are all welcome, in fact post as many photographs old or new as you like. We would however prefer new ones or never published ones.

Chakib:
Algerian Army - Locally made Nimr II all-terrain APC Equipped with UW1 Remote Control Weapon Station (RCWS) From NORINCO in Action -

Beautiful action pics.

Chakib:
Algerian Army - Locally made Nimr II all-terrain APC Equipped with UW1 Remote Control Weapon Station (RCWS) From NORINCO in Action -

Beautiful pics man, keep them coming. Forget about the detractors.

Also please post more recent pictures as some of these have been previously posted by Algerian1/Chkil


Be that as it may, the pics are most welcome.

jl115:
isn't he Algerian1/Flanker/Chkil?

Nope, that's another Algerian.

Toju200:
it was Henry and I

OK cool, such a long time.

Nigerian Air Force A-29 Super Tucano comes into land, while a US air force C-17 waits to depart.

Whyem15:
What's up with the F7-NI, how long does it take to maintain those aircrafts? It's been a long time since they left for China.

Maybe covid-19 related delays.

RiceProducers:
The 2021 defence budget (not 2021 supplementary budget) contained appropriation for continuing procurement of JF17 Block 2. There was money for 1 aircraft + systems.

Really, I didn't see it.

Jimmy17:
Block III?

We don't know yet.

iblawi:
Another good reason is that JF-17's development life-cycle isn't complete yet. The JF-17 block 3 is the original plan but till date still lacks the planned engine.

Ws-13 engine is expected to have better performance but haven't been finalized.

In my opinion I think it's better we see the full capabilities of this aircraft before major procurement is made.

I don't think the WS-13 engine is such a major requirement for the JF-17. Besides the RD-93 is a more reliable, and more widely used engine. It should be easier to maintain.

I like the JF-17, but I think NAF should aim for a more modern fighter instead of the Block II for example.