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LordReed:
But your statement does not capture that fact.

Ok. Noted

LordReed:
Then why did you say this:

Atheism in its pure form is a disbelief in the existence of a supreme being, supernatural deities ranging as far a disbelief in the supernatural.

Its a range.....it ranges from disbelief in anything supernatural to belief in some cases

LordReed:
Buddhism is an example of religious atheism, they do not believe in any deities but practice rituals, prayers and meditation. There are atheists who believe there are supernatural beings but those beings are not gods.

You asked me to state with sources did you provide any for yours?

Available on request..... but i dont think thats necessary as we r both saying the same thing.

Sources are only important if we start disagreeing on what the facts are.

By your statement an atheist can believe in a supernatura being and just ignore it..while a religious person believes in the same supernatural being and chooses to worship it and beg it for give aways....

Maximus69:
The girl in question tried with the little she heard about Jesus but SHE IS NOT YET A CHRISTIAN!

A lot of people wish to be worshippers of the true God but they lack the knowledge so they ended up perishing like pagan.

To get the sense of the whole thing, notice that she was taken along with her mates then she objected to the order of her captors and while the rest were released they held her back!

Now let's talk about FAITH in the true God, had it been she maintained her integrity to the end her captors would have killed her for standing on her feet for Jesus. That's why Jesus said "if you die for my sake, you will live" {Matthew 16:25} what happened shows that she has compromised her faith after lots of threat to her life!

Learn from the words of Hananiah (Shadrach) Michael (Meshach) and Azariah (Abednego), they told King Nebuchadnezzar who served as Devil's agent that day. Daniel 3:16-18

Notice that these three Jews were PREPARED TO DIE for their FAITH and they never expected any miracle even though they knew their God is potent enough to rescue them!

So let's just hope that the girl safely leaves that place, perhaps she would have the opportunity to learn the TRUTH about REAL FAITH and not Credulity that she had been taught!

You are wicked sha.... i understand defending your faith but you dont have to sink this low to defend God. I doubt he approves of this.

You dont know the girl, you dont know her walk with God, you dont know her personal relationship with God but you are bold enough to authoritatively denounce her christianity just to defend God.

If you even knew the bible you will remember that many have died for their faith and God did nothing. God doesnt need this heartless defense

LordReed:
Wrong. There are atheists that believe in the supernatural. There are religious atheists.

Religious atheism means working my moral and good living codes but rejecting the supernatural aspects of it e.g christian atheists who build their code around the life of the man jesus but reject everything supernatural about him.

If you have any other definition pls state it with your source.

HellVictorinho:
Spirit beings don't exist.
There are tools used by ritualists and occultists for self-transformation and the performance of ritualistic and occultic stuff.
Connection with spirit beings is pure nonsense.
It's just like a smoker saying he has seen Jesus after taking cocaine+weed.

As i said the existence of spirits isnt up for debate... people that have experienced the supernatural cannot deny it. Those that havent will always try and prove to disprove with logic.

Religion should always seek to make everyone experience spiritual and supernatural things. The failure in that is the reason for the rise in atheism these days.

OtemAtum:
Religion is pseudo spirituality, a tool for mind control. People who invent religion are those privileged to see a glimpse of the spiritual and then come up with ways to control human minds. In my own case, I saw the spiritual and came out with a history book to liberate minds of humanities from mind slavery. That's what spirituality should be all about. Religion is just a false spirituality. That's why we have thousands of religions in the world today, professing different things.

In its cruelest form; yes, that's religion......but in its pure form its just about connecting with the supernatural...

The problem with religion is that it gives too much power and authority to a few men....And these men eventually trample on their fellow men using religion as a tool for oppression and all sort of selfish gains

Religions may profess different things because they are connecting with different spirit beings or because the original individuals that connected the spirit beings distorted the message either deliberately or by the human weakness, culture and level of understanding

The atheist position is only easy when you havent experienced supernatural things. At that point its easy to say the world as we see it is all there is......but after experiencing supernatural things saying that is just self deceit.. cos you already know there is more.


The remaining arguments will now be;
Is any religion actually right or are they all wrong?
Does God care or does he not?
Is he interested or is the world on autopilot?
Does he have an agenda or is this all a freestyle?
Is there even just one supreme being or are there many .... maybe holding elections or overthrowing eachother?

OtemAtum:
Seeing the spiritual realm shouldn't even make someone become religious. It should rather push one away from it. That's the case with me.

Atheism in its pure form is a disbelief in the existence of a supreme being, supernatural deities ranging as far a disbelief in the supernatural.

Religion is the belief in a supernatural power and worship of that power


Seeing and experiencing a supernatural power will push a person to religion in a bid to gain something extra from that power that includes money health protection and where applicable protection in the world after death.

The only reason a person would access the supernatural and loose interest in religion is if the supernatural being claims not to offer any extra benefits or if the available religions are unable to connect you to that deity.


Those that have crossed the threshold of atheism by experiencing the supernatural keep trying to hold onto supernatural beings........and das wat religion is all about

Religion may not always be logical but if u have experienced supernatural things you will be unable to deny the existence of unseen powers.

Many people hold onto religion despite its conflicts with logic because they have experienced the supernatural.... you can deny and reject what you are told....but you cant deny an experience.

The discussion of how rational and logical God is opens a whole new discourse that can never be concluded. The discussion of who exactly is the way to God from Buddhism to hinduism to islam to christianity is a discussion that goes on forever.

But there is a supernatural world and anyone that has experienced it can no longer be an atheist......just a person wondering what the supreme being is really up to

NB: I know that many people hold onto religion without any experience with supernatural things. These are the people that later on drop religion or keep trying to rationalise why God exists and i dont think its their fault.

Just realised that editing your signature is the easiest way out of it....

Haba! World bank sef....they wont talk about countries heavily hit by coronavirus like America spain italy...... its Nigeria s economy they want to ruin with speculation....

We already take compulsory polio vacinnations plus others from birth!

If they want to put a microchip inside, they would do it.

We already take so many vaccines from birth and infact conspiracy theories like this contribute to the reason Nigeria was one of the last countries to eradicate polio in the world !

Some Northerners believed that polio vaccination was a means of controlling their population nd prevent them from having children and they kept dodging it.

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HIV
TB
DIABETES
HYPERTENSION
STROKE
HEART FAILURE

Some people are just terrible..... there are probably 700 other state house of assembly members in Nigeria that do nothing for their people and no one condemns them.

The only one that does little things always gets destructive criticisms that make him look worse than those that dont even try.

Eventually he will stop trying and nothing will still happen. He will even preserve his reputation by doing nothing.

Constructive criticism celebrates that he actually tried to provide something and constructively states what better things he could have done.

He provided wash hand basin but he could have supplied ventilators with his allocation.....and das even if his allocation is upto that...

Ok

If the logic of my statements above makes sense to you then you can pose other questions that confuse you and i will answer as much as i can.

If you doubt the existence of the supreme being and the spiritual realm then i can only pray and hope that one day you see and experience the supernatural or scientifically put "para-normal"

I haven't seen much but i know enough to know that there is a spiritual realm. So no amount of sophisticated logic and knowledge can convince me that there is no God/spiritual realm.

Its not your fault that you havent been convinced

I think that beyond teaching and admonishing people to believe, the church should work hard to bring down the supernatural in our churches.

Cos if you start experiencing paranormal activities in ur church you cant doubt God/the spiritual......

If you doubt the love and power then the answer is simple; The powers of God on the earth are heavily limited. He doesnt control the earth.

The expression of his power is limited by the human vessels.

God sent Jonah to Niniveh and he didnt go. God couldnt go by himself so he had to force Jonah.

God wanted to send rain in Elijah s time and it was Elijah that prayed and prayed for the rain to come.

It once pained God so much that he said; i looked for a man to stand in the gap to pray on behalf of these people but i found none.

God is limited by men on this earth......Even the devil is limited so he works with witches n witch doctors and ritualists.

Man is the major stakeholder on earth and we alone allow spirits to operate

@op

Define your question clearly, it will make the journey easier for you.

Do you doubt the existence of God

OR

Do you doubt that the supreme being is love and all powerful.

uchkochi:
If God cannot do it, let it remain undone. Absolute dependence on God is the gateway to supernatural supplies.

Beautiful and inspiring as these statements always sound, we know that we live in a natural world and should know where to draw the line....

You eat so u dont die of hunger...
You go to school to get an education to increase your chances of success
You read so you can pass exams
You search for jobs and work so you can make money....
You bathe so you dont stink
You look left and right when crossing the road so you dont get hit...
You hire security guards and build fences around your property so it doesnt get stolen
You call on the police when things go south
You keep your money in the bank and not under your bed for safety....

Where exactly do we draw the line between what God does and what we have to do for ourselves by virtue of the fact that we live in a natural world?

In what areas are you absolutely dependent on God and in what areas do you take action by yourself!

edoairways:
Where is your faith? If our Christian brothers in north could attend church inspite of the mayhem from boko haram then your faith is weak

Some Christians really enjoy FAITH-SHAMING others......but in reality anyone that doesnt go out seeking corona virus patients to heal or
Amputees to grow back their limbs is weak in faith obviously.

Anyone that takes any form of drugs for common malaria and headache even for hypertension is weak in faith.

Protecting yourself in any form from the virus.....no handshakes and use of sanitisers shows you are weak in faith

So we see people weak in faith faith-shaming others like themselves just because the moment that exposes them is behind closed doors.

Christianity should have a separate section where people have to confess Jesus before posting

doctokwus:
Rubbish.
So for abdominal pain,the next thing you do is rush to do a vaginal examination and breast examination?
Since you want to sound knowledgeable,tell us what a breast examination would rule in or rule out in a woman with complaint of abdominal pain.
Even with an assumed PID,so the next thing you do is sticking your finger in a woman's private part?To confirm what exactly?
What happened to a speculum, assuming he was so keen to appear competent?
Even in teaching hospital settings with detailed examinations,no one would rush to start a digital vaginal examination with clearly no indication for it,despite the need to be thorough in such a setting.
Don't justify bull shit with defective knowledge.

If you assume PID you should do a vaginal examination just as if you assume malaria you should do malaria test. The fact that many people treat it successfully without a single test done doesnt make it the standard.

Cervical excitation tenderness is a digital vaginal examination finding, not speculum. It is used to identify PID majorly and maybe query ectopic pregnancy and separate it from other pathologies

Breast examination has no indication in stomach pain. Butt cheek examination has no indication in medical practice.

If you calm down and read what i said you will see that i am not justifying the doctor. All i am saying is that every doctor that examines the vagina is not with ulterior motives. There are common indications for it.

About molestation? If he examined her breast and vagina silmutaneously; That is not medical..... If he examined her butt cheeks that is also not medical.....so he should explain what he was doing in a court.

Protein0:
How about the boobs and butt cheek he "examined"?
Plus he told the victim his working diagnosis which were typhoid, malaria and food poisoning.
Put these beside his "examination". What say you?

Dont misunderstand my statements i am in no way trying to justify him..... this is just to correct the misconception that a doctor examining the vagina in stomach pain could be a pevert.

I do not know any medical significance of examining both vagina and breasts at the same time.

I am also not aware of any significance of what he did with her butt unless ofcourse he did a rectal examination which will not be out of place if he is considering diagnoses in the digestive system.

It is proper for every woman especially of reproductive age to be examined and investigated in view of reproductive health issues if she has stomach(abdominal) pain

Pelvic inflammatory disease.....an infection can cause stomach(abdominal pain).... a vaginal examination to check for cervical motion tenderness is used to exclude that....

Other components of the bimanual pelvic examination are useful in detecting other pathologies.

A doctor however should NEVER examine a female patient without a chaperone.

Satan obviously.... God isnt running this mess

But in truth, Man actually runs the world. God created the earth and gave it to man Ps.115.16

No spirit being can operate on the earth without the human permission. That is why all spiritual deities have priests. Its those priests that they work through on the earth.

Native doctors and witches wreak havoc on lives and communities for the dark kingdom

Christians channel the power of God for activities for his kingdom...... Man is the constant factor

Anyone with useful information regarding this question should please enlighten us....