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melodyogonna:
Wow, I thought everyone knew Galileo and how he was imprisoned by the Roman Catholic for his scientific research? Even my Google keyboard auto-completes the name.

Read the last paragraph of the message u quoted...... It says "introducing historical facts...."

Facts.....They are facts....Galileo's story is an undeniable fact

With the govt job and any minor side hustle or little investment you will be able to carry up to 80k monthly......plus job security and career progression

In motivational speech.....yes
As encouragement to prevent people from giving up.....yes
in reality.....no one rilly knows

You had me at "May the glorious queen meekly entreat pardon for our guilt...."

Religion should not guide the conduct of any sane society.

follow Otems style on "confessions of an ignorant Muslim....den screenshot it and make it your dp"....

.....when you have exhausted all other options...

Religious laws and ideas should not govern society anywhere...... beheading people for blasphemy is an extreme form of this....

People should do whatever they like free from persecution regardless of if your religion hates it...

Religion should not guide the society

Donedeal1:
Well thought out policy.

There are three sides to these taxation things..... The company owners.....the employers and the consumers....

The company owners will never loose.....they LL simply increase their prices, lower the product quality or fold up.....

The employers always loose.....it's either their salaries are cut or they loose their jobs....

The consumers always loose....it's either they pay more.....get reduced quality....or loose the product completely....


The government has proven that they can't provide jobs..... If they keep chasing everyone that provides jobs for the masses away with greed we will have more crime on our hands.....and they will keep spending more money on security......

Yes the very extra money they gain from taxes will be spent on combating crime.

We need leaders with brains

ArisingStorm:
Don't be deceived by what you are seeing my friend. We are talking about the spiritual, You are focused on the physical. Let me try to give you an explanation, the physical realm is like our smartphone screen, the spiritual realm is the motherboard and all other major components we don't see.

Because you see successful people that are constantly having sex, who told you they are okay? Its because you are not seeing with the spiritual lens, many are dead corpse walking. When you mentioned ronaldo, I just didn't want to go deep, We have people that are in a covenant with the adversary already just to aquire physical riches.
If you really want to know if I am deceiving you or saying the truth, how about you look up and ask for guardiance by yourself, if you ask from your heart with good intentions and motive, it would be granted unto you. Ask for Wisdom.

You said the successful people and rich don't take spiritual serious, sincerely, they do seriously, those guys do rituals, they have what they are bowing to in their closet. This things are done in secret. Life is spiritual.
Shalom

in the end many of you tend to "over spiritualize" life...... just how spiritual is life really? In my opinion....not more than 30percent..... Majority of what happens here is physical.

That's why various atheist nations like China and Japan still thrive to become super powers despite having no supernatural backing......but some nations praying day and night are still poor and backward.

das why Christian marriages fail just as non Christian marriages.

the world is spiritual but it's not as spiritual as you think....

Things that will work physically can work without the spiritual such as hard work and success......a compatible couple and a good marriage...

Lol. Quick loot, Fast plunder.....God has a sense of humour too

God came to hang out with Adam and Eve in the cool of the day.....Amplified version has it as in the evening....which means there is something God expected Adam and Eve to spend their day doing that was not about him....

If God had wanted them to fellowship with him 24/7 I guess he would always have been around.

I believe there is much more to this life than constantly thinking supernatural. That was obviously not God's plan.

God's purpose for creating man in Gen 1.28 are to 1. Replenish the earth 2. Subdue the earth 3. Have Dominion over the earth....

So why exactly will i spend my whole life in fear or rapture and end times when my life was made for more than that??

Subdue the earth and have Dominion in whatever way and by whatever means you interpret it to mean. That is actually why we are here

When God created Adam and eve; there was no rapture in view....no end times....no preaching Christ.....no born again....

Yet God created them..... God had a purpose for man that wasn't tied to waiting for rapture and end times or being overtly religious....

There is obviously more to human life than the above.......just find it and live your life

Thinking about it every now and then doesn't improve the quality of your life.....infact the greater majority of us won't even see it.... we LL just die like those before and after us.....

so why should I be bothered about something I may not even see....

so many people have held onto rapture and end times before you and they are dead..... Why should I join the bandwagon....

. The only thing certain in your own life time is death ....maybe you should worry about that instead

Dtruthspeaker:
There isn't anything to forgive here but what is the issue is why Ishmealites continue to Hate us and seek our enslavement and utter destruction continuously?

Really you should not bother to answer because the Lord had already told us what Ishmael shall be

"And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Which ye always do.

So, we understand why you hate us and cometh against everyone and why we must resist your hatred for us, Exactly As It Is Written!

Lol....ok i just had to say it;

Atleast the arabs are descended from Ishmael a child God knew and took care of in the bible.

God never even talked or cared about your own forefathers........ talk about a group of people actually rejected by God

God never spoke to the arabs.....but he also never spoke to your fathers in sub saharan africa..... so if God is now speaking to you, why could he not have spoken to the arabs...

Just introducing perspective

LordReed:
Then say some atheists not atheism. It is like saying Christians venerate Mary when it is only Catholics who do.

Point noted

LordReed:
No matter how many times you are told this is wrong you will persist in saying it. Atheism is lack of belief in gods of any kind simple.

There is a difference between "Lack of belief in God" and "Concluding that there is no God"

I agree with the standard definition that you stated.

My argument is for people crossing the line to conclude with all confidence that "There is no God"

kingxsamz:
The conclusion is not logical?
Would the conclusion be logical if someone claims a three headed, half snake, half unicorn that shits gold and rainbow, lives in a planet occupied by robot aliens, even though this person has never seen one or able to provide proof? Answer.

In conclusion....No. the conclusion of the theists is not logical either except they have proof.

Proof should be independently verifiable, testable and reproducible.

I love to say that both Theism and Atheism are faith based belief systems......Neither of them is a logical conclusion.

The catch however is that many theists claim verifiable proof of God. If those claims are true then for them its no longer belief but a fact......but ofcourse if they cannot show you the proof then they shouldnt expect you to accept their statement as a fact. You can only believe

kingxsamz:
Do you believe that the Flying spaghetti monster exists?

Belief isnt scientific or evidential. Belief is to accept something as true without proof. Belief isnt knowledge.....its emotional and freestyle.

I do not believe it exists. But i also dont know for a fact that it doesnt exist.

If i claim to be 100percent sure it doesnt exist then i am no different from the people that said it will be impossible to create an object that flies in the air.

Their claims may have lasted hundreds of years and seemed to be true but today there is now proof that they are wrong.

kingxsamz:
The conclusion is not logical?
Would the conclusion be logical if someone claims a three headed, half snake, half unicorn that shits gold and rainbow, lives in a planet occupied by robot aliens, even though this person has never seen one or able to provide proof? Answer.

There is no proof such a strange creature exists.

Belief isnt scientific or evidential. Belief is to accept something as true without proof.

Thus based on knowledge; there is no proof and i wont accept that it exists.

But here is the twist. I wont make a categorical statement that i am 100percent sure it doesnt exist. Instead i will say there is no evidence to prove it exists.

Tommorow if there is new evidence that it exists i will say... There is now verifiable and testable proof that the flying spagethi monster exists.

Thats what science is all about.

kingxsamz:
Logically, this statement is incorrect.

True. You cant prove a negative. But it also limits your conclusion on the issue.

The conclusion should be....There is so far no evidence of a supreme being. If evidence appears tommorow then the conclusion shifts.

Atheism is a conclusion that "There is no God" and that is not logical. You dont have the right to make such a conclusion.

gsegun43:
Atheists do not need to prove anything, it is theists that need to prove that god exist and their inability to prove that is already a proof that their is no god.

Its a free world bro.... no one owes you anything. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

The issue of God is not tied to the theists. The fact that theists cannot prove God doesnt mean there is no God.

What if God doesnt want to be known or worshipped or all other stuffs we learn about God in religion.

What if God doesnt even care about the theists and their religions?

Will that change the fact that there is such a supreme being that created the universe?

Atheists do not have to prove anything. But atheists also do not have enough information to conclude scientifically that "there is no God"..... at most you can conclude that you have not seen proof.....and no one owes it to you to convince you....except God himself.....assuming he actually needs you to accept that he exists anyway

DuBLINGreenb:
I have been to patani several times it's a pity the people are suffering and dying needlessly and have to go miles for healthcare issues I know a few kids who died as a result

Whereas they could have had 2 hospitals, a market, a few good roads which would have increased the value of life there and raised their standard of living.

Whereas those of you blaming South South and Asari etc are fools, I have never been a fan of asari but the problem with Nddc is a Nigerian problem not a south south or Niger Delta problem

Of course some Niger Deltans like akpabio and co. are complacent along with non Niger Deltans like Mele Kyari the NNPC DG but they are individuals representing their pockets and not their regions and we pray that they all suffer for 600 years

No ordinary person from south south can enter Akpabios office to demand anything not even employment or accountability simply because you are Niger Deltan

Nddc, nnpc, pppra and all other oil related organisations in Nigeria have people from all over Nigeria working there and stealing off the resources in the Niger Delta.

Infact the number of northerners and South westerners working in Nnpc and Nddc and pppra are more than the Niger Deltans in those organisations

Nddc and co. Are operated the same way Nigeria police, efcc, army, Pension, Nscdc, immigration and co.are run the Nigerian way

Recently the itshekiri, Ijaw people were protesting the handing over of 57 oil blocs in the Niger Delta to people non of whom was from the NigerDelta region, so these new oil bloc owners stay in Abuja, Lagos, zamfara etc and pollute our water ways and kill all our fishes in the Niger Delta while their houses and families are far away making it hard for us to kidnap them or burn their properties if they mess up.

Maybe we should go back to blowing up pipe lines, kidnapping oil workers and so on so that you people will know that we are serious

What do you want? Massive allocation is given to your governors....still no development.....13percent derivation is looted....A federal parastatal headed by your people and they embezzle the money...

Even if the government is to give your governors every drop of the oil proceeds today they will still embezzle it.

What are you proposing?

A niger deltan was president for 6yrs.....still no development.....

What exactly are you proposing?

If niger delta leaders were the ones kidnapped instead of innocent oil workers. Embezzlement may have stopped.

If the government houses were being burnt down instead of oil installations. The governors will have been forced to develop the states.

But no ! We protect our thieves and fight invisible enemies without results because the real enemies are our own people

NB: i am a niger deltan

Atheists are also leaning onto the idea that there is no God for support.

In reality they cant logically and rationally prove there is no God. They may be right or they may be wrong. But they choose to believe they are right cos it makes them feel better about life.

Everyone is on crutches.....no one rilly knows. Pick your own crutch and enjoy the limp

Kobojunkie:
Conclude about what? That nothing like what you are all afraid of is going to happen in the next 98years ? Oh, I know!

I agree with you..... nobody currently alive will see these things they so scared and anxious about. They will all die and meet their maker like billions before them.

Thats why the whole 666 antichrist rapture fear is just annoying

The arguments against religions these days are lack of proof. I rilly think you should show the world proof so the world can take these writings seriously.....

Maybe the God you represent should write his name in the sky or tell you the cure for cancer.

Without signs and supernatural experiences, you are not bringing any new thing to the table of religion.

The bible and quran have been around for roughly 2000 years and people still doubt their authenticity. Why should anyone even think your writings are anything more than cooked up stories?


My concern is that you are introducing historical facts into your stories and destroying the importance of these facts because a good number of people believe that the things you write are cooked up.

I come in peace.

karo93:
Additional biblical proof for a moving Sun was seen in Ecclesiastes
1:5, where it is said:
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."


Other biblical verses were interpreted as scriptural evidence that the
Earth is fixed and immovable:

Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."


Upon these text passages from the Old Testament, theologians based the
doctrine of a fixed Earth with the Sun orbitting it. For example,
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) referred to these passages,
when he became involved in the controversy about Galileo Galilei's
work. On 12 April 1615, he wrote in a letter, refusing Galilei's
scientific concept of the Sun being orbited by the Earth which proved
wrong the doctrine:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=425191

@OtemAtum ..... i believe you already quoted it

OtemAtum:
So Copernicus to you is a fictitious character

Obviously not.....i posted an article with its link on this same point....

I hope you get the actual point i was trying to make.....and even if u dont, it doesnt matter.....We move....

tsinzu:
Where did the Bible ever say the sun was moving around the earth?

Additional biblical proof for a moving Sun was seen in Ecclesiastes
1:5, where it is said:
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."


Other biblical verses were interpreted as scriptural evidence that the
Earth is fixed and immovable:

Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."


Upon these text passages from the Old Testament, theologians based the
doctrine of a fixed Earth with the Sun orbitting it. For example,
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) referred to these passages,
when he became involved in the controversy about Galileo Galilei's
work. On 12 April 1615, he wrote in a letter, refusing Galilei's
scientific concept of the Sun being orbited by the Earth which proved
wrong the doctrine:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=425191

The story of the discovery of the earth revolving around the sun is true.....but i just realised that your credibility @OtemAtum is quite weak on this forum.....no one can even tell the difference between when you are stating facts or cooked up stories.