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I really think the only thing that makes people so concerned and obsessed about RAPTURE is fear because the greater majority of generations of christians and human beings will not see the great tribulation rapture period.

Millions of christians since AD 1 have died and many more will die. The percentage that will even witness these things are very low. So why are we so bothered.

You are way more likely to die than you ever are to be raptured.

The reason people will go to heaven or hell is not because JESUS IS COMING SOON. Its because we will all die regardless of when Jesus comes...

Even if Jesus comes in another 2000 years you will still die and go and meet him so why the obsession...

So why are we so bothered? Well, FEAR is the likely answer

Qudsi:
I really don't subscribe to the argument that people give with the Christians having violence in the Old Testament to try and say hence, Islam is justified.

I feel that that this argument really holds no water. Let's be honest. I don't know of any Christian or Christian organization that goes about cutting off people's head in the name of Moses or citing the violence of the Judaism as a basis to take down any individual.
Do you know of any in the past 200 years or more doing that?!!
None! But as you can see from this picture below with this Muslim giving the "Allah is one" sign with his index finger.

There are moderate Muslims but the Islamic Jihadi instructions is so consuming and still current and binding on every Muslim that it is very easy to get indoctrinated into this. The qur'an doesn't abrogate the "Kill the Jews and Christians and all others who don't believe in Allah" verses as "Old Qur'an parts". It is still an integral part of current Islam that all an extremist needs to do is to just use them to validate their killing of others.

Islam is a weapon and a ticking time bomb that can be armed and detonated by anyone with half a brain.

Christianity is equally a weapon and in the days of the Crusades,the church fought wars in the name of God just like in the old testament.

The difference is that it is not easy to arm christianity for violence. It can be done but its not easy. However arming islam for violence is very easy.

Christianity was reformed by the new testament and islam needs a reform too. When? Probably never! Afterall even Judaism rejected the new testament.

Thus the most confusing aspect of Islam is the moderate muslims who believe in peace. Funny enough it even looks like they work hand in hand; the moderates are the image to the world while the extremists are the muscle that force the world in line.


But to be fair to Muhammad, most of the things he did are in line with what the prophets of the old testament did. Maybe just Maybe he was unable to communicate the love aspect of God to his followers which is plausible for a prophet-king that was always at war.

His teachings may have had to be geared towards survival and strenght lest they are overrun by their enemies.

Attacking Muhammad' life based on violence is legitimate relative to human rights but relative to Christianity its deceitful and hypocrisy.

The Bible sanctioned the same kind of things Christians are quick to criticise him for so you cant convince anyone that Muhammad is not of God because of Violence. Except you want to detach and renounce the God of the old testament.


@op besides those shades thrown at Muhammad, you are right ; Islam is being pampered in the world.

The western world is very engrossed in human rights which creates so many loopholes that are being exploited by various peoples including LGBT and muslims.

They can spread their religion and practice freely in europe and america but christians cant do the same in the middle East because the western world operates secular states (any religion goes) but the middle east operates islamic states.

wahoom:
I'm not here to impress you or anybody, I live a very transparent lifestyle, I am not claiming perfection.
Do you want me to lie?

You may not have realised it but those claims of very committed christian and bible school graduate are very close to claims of perfection....

Its like saying; I am a very senior, mature and experienced christian so you shouldnt take what i am saying lightly in addition my claims are enorsed and supported by a bible school i attended.

I wont mind if its just you.....but you brought too much authority and credibility to bear on your point and that could throw stumbling blocks in the paths of many other Christians

wahoom:
I'm not here to impress you or anybody, I live a very transparent lifestyle, I am not claiming perfection.
Do you want me to lie?

Not at all.....i admire your candour. You just cant use the words committed christian and bible school graduate to give credibility and legality to your opinion about alcohol....

That is what i am speaking against.....

wahoom:
I'm a very committed christian and I do take alcohol occasionally, so my answer is YES.

I got admission into a bible school couple of years ago and one of the question I was asked during the entrance exam was if I take alcohol and the past time I did, of course my reply was yes and I told them I took it about a month ago, I thought that will cost me the admission but surprisingly I still made the cut.

Especially as a committed christian that you claim, you should be able to draw the line between what is right, what is wrong and the things that are not wrong but will stain christianity....

1 Cor 8.8- 12..... there are things we avoid not because the bible explicitly said so but because they can be a stumbling block to Christianity....

I only responded because of your claims of being committed and your attendance at a bible school.... Your claims prove that you are in a position to be a stumbling block to others, so be careful..... its not all about you but about the people that look up to you and believe that you have a better understanding of God than they do.

I am not even impressed that the said Bible school didnt even try to repackage your idea about alcohol.

Alcohol and committed christian should not be used in the same sentence. Alcohol wont make you less of a Christian but it makes it obvious that you are not committed.

Dont get me wrong; If alcohol is a drug, it should be taken for whatever illness.

The basis of morality is its effect on your fellow man

Morality, thus, consists of the urge or predisposition to judge human actions as either right or wrong in terms of their consequences for other human beings

Thus smoking is against religious tenets but doesnt make a person smoking ciggaretes inside his room bad

Disturbing people with noise they didnt ask for is not against religious tenets but is really an infringement on human rights disturbing the peace of fellow humans.

Killing is against human and religious tenets but is not wrong in wars both in religious books and human codes

Stealing hurts your neighbour
Bearing false witness hurts your neighbour

johnw47:
on your edit profile page, don't have a space between "the bold code" and "I "
I AM NOT A MUSLIM. I AM A CHRISTIAN

it won't take away the lie the forum placed there
but it will make your truth stand out more

https://www.nairaland.com/5785504/really-funny

Some people came up with more interesting ideas

YorubaKinging:
His name is EMMANUEL MACRON
President of France
The founder of paris peace forum
The one who will settle the long dispute between Palestine and Israeli
The chairman of Paris climate agreement

The one will has called for debt forgiveness for Africans

The one who will soon lead the whole world

Religion sha..... Everything you list about the man is good....but he is bad because you believe he is working for the devil to make the world a better place....

The devil is also working over time to produce a vaccine and solve this deadly corona virus.... the devil is trying to put a stop to these unnecesary deaths, hunger and suffering in the world. The only catch is that he will hide a 666 chip inside.....kinda like his signature....

And when God sees that chip in you he will be pissed off..... Cos the devil tried to heal the world.

Thats just the way these 666 merchants sound...

@Seun.... we need dark mode for nairaland

If its that easy to collect the mark of the beast then just hide in one hole underground and wait to die cos even the very food, water, medications, vaccinations which keep you alive will soon be spiked with 666

You will eventually get it unknowingly.... its not a matter of "If" but a matter of "when"

For the sake of fact; you already have a vaccine scar on your arm..... A 666 mark could be inside for all the "NWO" cares

All these 666 merchants;

Dont you think it will be very ridiculous to accept the lord Jesus, live for him, collect vaccines for polio,measles,hepatitis,tetanus and still go to hell just because a micro chip called 666 was hidden in the vaccine for covid-19 ??!!!

If its that easy to collect the mark of the beast then why are we making a fuss cos eventually even paracetamol will carry the mark of the beast.....chocolates, antimalaria injections, all current vaccinations for polio and tetanus etc.....and you will still get it !

If the New world order is what you think it is, do you think they cant put the 666 chip inside satchet pure water?

If its that easy to collect the mark of the beast then just hide in one hole underground and wait to die cos even the very food, water, medications, vaccinations which keep you alive will soon be spiked with 666

You will eventually get it unknowingly.... its not a matter of "If" but a matter of "when"

All these 666 merchants;

Dont you think it will be very ridiculous to accept the lord Jesus, live for him, collect vaccines for polio,measles,hepatitis,tetanus and still go to hell just because a micro chip called 666 was hidden in the vaccine for covid-19 ??!!!

If its that easy to collect the mark of the beast then why are we making a fuss cos eventually even paracetamol will carry the mark of the beast.....chocolates, antimalaria injections, all current vaccinations for polio and tetanus etc.....and you will still get it !

If the New world order is what you think it is, do you think they cant put the 666 chip inside satchet pure water?

HappyPagan:
Which Bible? The Bible is famous for speaking from both sides of it's pages... So be careful..

You made a claim with such conviction, one would think the one in whose name you make the claim actually supports you..


Matt.



Matt. 25

I dont really get what response you are trying to elicit from me but i am sure you know all about faith and good works, restitution, once saved always saved doctrines

The verses you quoted are consistent with Faith plus good works viz work out your salvaton with fear and trembling. This is not strange to christianity

According to the bible.....only those that believe in Jesus can go to heaven. Justifying any other point of view using the bible may be fraudulent.

The bible is our final say.

But looking at the realities of things....maybe... just maybe it wont play out the way we think.

Afterall the jews waited for a physical messiah all those generations and when they finally got one.....Surprise! Surprise! He was a spiritual messiah....

The isarealites were going to a land flowing with milk and honey..... Oh well ! It was just as figurative as it sounded.

Only God knows how the things will eventually play out.

ikh777:
Did you look at the time, DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS AN HOUR FOR SLEEP OR PRAYER OR WORK(those of us who require high speed?)

Go and sleep. If you want CONVERSION STORIES, CHECK GOOGLE.

Lol. The thread isnt running away

Did you convert to christianity despite being born to non christian parents (muslims,atheists,traditional, hindu) ?

Please can you tell us your conversion story?

Why did you choose to believe in Jesus?


A larger number of us are born into Christianity. We didnt have as much choice as we may think and i fear I may not fully understand the implications and gravity of accepting a religion that is entirely foreign to me which is what we expect of others.

karo93:
1. The earth has been given to man. Man is the all powerful on earth not God. If man can successfully pray the will of God be done on earth, it will be.... if not then the natural events will run their usual course.

2. The bible continually shows us that God needs men to properly channel his power to earth....if they cant channel it then nothing changes.

Gehazi once tried to raise a dead child on orders and instructions from Elisha and he failed. But Elisha raised the boy. God's power is constant but if you cant bring it down then natural events will continue unabated.

3. God has 2 modes of intervention on the earth
A. Total intervention such as when Hezekiah put musicians in from of the army and angels came to kill the enemy
B. Partial intervention which describes a super majority of all the wars israel fought.

Yeah the bible says God gave them victory against mightier foes but it doesn't change the fact that it was them physically doing the fighting.

How God intervenes is dependent on him so where exactly do we even draw the line?

The life of the israelites show that most times God prefers to allow natural events to run their course with only partial intervention.

But ofcourse that is not what has been taught in the church over the years but i think corona is making certain things obvious

In addition, God approves healing but it is obviously not as straightforward as the church as made it seem over the years. If it was that straightforward then the church will have been carrying out mass healings and finally bringing real life proof to the age long message.

1. The earth has been given to man. Man is the all powerful on earth not God. If man can successfully pray the will of God be done on earth, it will be.... if not then the natural events will run their usual course.

2. The bible continually shows us that God needs men to properly channel his power to earth....if they cant channel it then nothing changes.

Gehazi once tried to raise a dead child on orders and instructions from Elisha and he failed. But Elisha raised the boy. God's power is constant but if you cant bring it down then natural events will continue unabated.

3. God has 2 modes of intervention on the earth
A. Total intervention such as when Hezekiah put musicians in from of the army and angels came to kill the enemy
B. Partial intervention which describes a super majority of all the wars israel fought.

Yeah the bible says God gave them victory against mightier foes but it doesn't change the fact that it was them physically doing the fighting.

How God intervenes is dependent on him so where exactly do we even draw the line?

The life of the israelites show that most times God prefers to allow natural events to run their course with only partial intervention.

But ofcourse that is not what has been taught in the church over the years but i think corona is making certain things obvious

abbeyman1798:
I clicked the form but it say u are no more accepting responses. What do i do?

Co-ask

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mariobobby:
please help, I'm 26 years old, but i can recall since i was 7 years old i have night mares each time i sleep facing up wards or my legs crossed but have a normal sleep facing downwards or my legs not crossed. please does this happen to any other person?

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Ok

Please note :
I am not pro abortion.
I have never been involved in abortion
I will never be involved in abortion
I do not support abortion
I do not encourage abortion


But calling it an abominable sin. I think that is an over kill

Its easy to look at those deaths and rationalise them to be evil people, enemies of God and our own enemies by extension who deserved to die because he didnt try destroying your own village and people.

It would have hit differently if we were reading about how God vowed to utterly wipe out the Nigerians and turn those that survive into slaves for the israelites.

God is God. Human life isnt the most valuable thing. The human soul....more likely ....but life nope. Just as dispensable as that of the amalekites.

OpenYourEyes1:
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The same God that ordered the killing of the amalekites and the complete execution of the family of Jezebel by Jehu.

God doesnt value human life as much as you guys want to believe. It doesnt make him bad. It just means human life is not as valuable in the scheme of things as you think.

Human life can always be sacrificed to achieve a higher goal.

Full grown humans and suckling babies were brutally murdered to achieve the objective of creating "the church in the wilderness and israel" and you seriously think God is crying over aborted babies. Haba

God is God. But we dont need to paint him like a teddy bear

Why is this not on the islamic section

Christians need a separate board to discuss issues bordering on their faith without always having to defend the faith against unbelievers.

Time that could be spent discussing on faith grace and spiritual gifts will always be spent trying to prove that Jesus is the way. This is unfair.

Christians need a separate section to discuss things that make for spiritual growth. All of us; christians muslims and atheist can still come down to the general religion board to argue and discuss controversial issues

Seun pls give christians a separate section

Cc Seun

God will look into the matter he said....

frosbel2:
I often wonder if most Christians have heard directly from the mouth of Jesus. Not through a pastor or church member or parent , but directly from Jesus.

Similarly , I also wonder how many Christians have seen Jesus himself.

As a Christian for over 20 years, I never saw Jesus or heard from him directly, it was always through the bible, sometimes a bible verse that ‘jumped out’ , a pastors message, or a perceived internal voice.

Who is this Jesus that hides from the majority of his church members ? What is he hiding and why is he hiding.

When I used to pray to Jesus over many years, sometimes as long as 3 hours , he never revealed himself to me or spoke with me , I just believed by faith that he heard me.

Many times I fell sick and prayed , but he never healed me despite the quoting of dozens of bible verses to remind Jesus of his promises. He never kept his promises. I saw many brethren go through suffering and despite many prayers , few got a breakthrough.

Why is this Jesus hiding and playing games with human beings ?

Continuation...
James 5.14 said if anyone is sick they should call for the elders of the church...

Now while we will not make a doctrine out of it but atleast we can understand why he chose not to say the person should pray for himself.

At the very least it shows us that to get an answer to prayer such as healing you may need a level of power which was assumed to be inherent in someone who has attained the level of elder expectedly by years of training prayer study of the word, impartation etc.

And he didnt ask for one elder....he asked for the elders.....

We wont camp around this idea. It is just a fraction of it......but we can learn something from it about some of the things it takes to get answers to prayers

frosbel2:
I often wonder if most Christians have heard directly from the mouth of Jesus. Not through a pastor or church member or parent , but directly from Jesus.

Similarly , I also wonder how many Christians have seen Jesus himself.

As a Christian for over 20 years, I never saw Jesus or heard from him directly, it was always through the bible, sometimes a bible verse that ‘jumped out’ , a pastors message, or a perceived internal voice.

Who is this Jesus that hides from the majority of his church members ? What is he hiding and why is he hiding.

When I used to pray to Jesus over many years, sometimes as long as 3 hours , he never revealed himself to me or spoke with me , I just believed by faith that he heard me.

Many times I fell sick and prayed , but he never healed me despite the quoting of dozens of bible verses to remind Jesus of his promises. He never kept his promises. I saw many brethren go through suffering and despite many prayers , few got a breakthrough.

Why is this Jesus hiding and playing games with human beings ?

James 4.3 sheds alot of insight that shows that Answers to prayers is not a snap of fingers...... many factors affect that.

If God could do everything he wanted on earth by himself then Jesus wont tell us to pray "your will be done on earth".....not heaven.....earth.....he even asked us to pray that God sends labourers into his own harvest..... his own o....

Bro there are many things that govern Gods operation on earth o.....Man is in charge of this earth and whichever spirit he shares that authority with can reign Psalm 115.16

Christianity downplays many of these facts and while they look dope and flambouyant they eventually give rise to christians like you @op who take one long look at everything and conclude it no longer makes sense.

If you agree with the things i have said you can pose more questions for a wider discourse, if you dont then i pray God gives you a supernatural experience

cos when you have seen that there is something supernatural about christianity then you will be back to face the very same questions you have but this time knowing that you have no where else to run to .cheers

https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8213481/Pastor-catches-COVID-19-dies-just-weeks-saying-God-larger-dreaded-virus.html


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