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folks4luv:
u can only understand Joseph Prince's teachings if u v deeply studied the epistles of Paul, esp d book of Romans. even Paul was attacked as many are attacking the gospel of grace today. u can't be a Christian who has come under grace and still be an active sinner,it is not possible, grace to live a righteous life flows from Jesus when we rest on His finished works on the cross, when we have the assurance that Christ became a sin for us and through him, not our deed, we are righteous before God. through grace, we are able to fulfill the law even without knowing the law. but grace can be activated with faith...faith in the finished works of Christ.

What do all these things mean? How practicable is what you have just written?!

Are you saying that Grace makes us take righteous steps or Grace automatically cleanses regardless of our deeds?

In your reply, have this example in mind. A civil servant is offered a bribe or a kick back, what does a Christian civil servant covered by Grace do?

Eyituoyo7:
If Jesus Christ has died for ALL my sins, how can I still go to hell for the same sin? Besides, let's be practical! If being holy or living a righteous life is what guarantees eternal life, nobody would make it!

Even David who God testified was a man after His heart committed adultery & murder.

The pertinent question you missed: aren't there steps a person has to take to qualify as good?

marvelck:
Most times, when a man cheats on his wife, it doesnt mean the man no longer love or have feelings for his wife. Most men cant do without tasting other girls. Its in their DNA. When a man goes out to cheat, he'll still come home to his wife. And even after several years of cheating, the man wil stil be with his wife till old age. Cheating sometimes doesnt mean absence of love, but just a selfish act of adventure by some.

It depends on what you mean by love. The love demonstrated by buying handbags, shoes, diamond rings and makeup kit, can easily be maintained with cheating as long as the husband keeps buying the handbags.

There is love shown by a deeper commitment of trust and empathy/friendship. That your partner will remain at your side regardless of the circumstances. That love will be destroyed with cheating.

jiggaz:
Alright, concerning your question of a slave trader being a Believer and still remain a believer? That's where you misunderstood me, my post up there is written to believers in Christ, and who is a believer in Christ?
A Believer in Christ is someone who has put his whole trust on the finished work of Christ. Someone that believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God, who came to the world and died for his sins and God raised Him up on the 3rd day for his Justification. That is a Believer in Christ and this person is now indwelt by the Holy Spirit as a guarantee pending his day of redemption ( bodily redemption i. e Rapture ). He might fall and stumble sometimes but he has the Holy Spirit to guide and direct his pact.

Mind you, a Believer in Christ is different from a church goer oo, spot the difference. A church goer is someone who knows that Christ exists, goes to church because he was born into Christianity but don't acknowledge Jesus Christ as his Lord and personal saviour. He just practices Religion but doesn't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Spot the difference. Most of my posts are addressed to Believers in Christ not Church Goers.

So it possible that an individual guided by the Holy Spirit and a believer in Christ can remain a slave trader trafficking and selling his fellow humans??

jiggaz:
The question here is are these people Believers in Christ?

So you think a slave trader can be a believer and remain a believer?

Raziii:
below is the cost price of bringing PMS to the pumps...Now you get why most filling stations sell for 150naira... Now tell me, can it ever come below 100naira if we don't refine locally?

A clear picture to work with.

ovadozes:
Don't quote me again if you really dont know what to say or if the argument is beyond the reasoning of your brain. Fixing pump price at 145 naira is not deregulation, deregulation is when you allow people to source fuel on their own and create competition alowing each marketer to source fuel through legitimate means and sell to citizens what it means is that the importers will be selling according to market price. How can i support increase in pump price when the environment has not been made conducive, our refineries are not working, minimum wage is 18, 000 and u expect me to swallow this hook, line and sinker. Please grow some brain. Same people that occupied Nigeria when the last administration increased pump price are the same people that want me to accept it now. If i may ask "what has changed apart from power changing hands?"

I strongly doubt if a free ranging competition amongst many marketers will beat down the cost of buying the dollar. As long as refined oil is tied to the value of the dollar, it will dramatically increase with the dollar. So 145 is a compromise between a free for all deregulation and subsidy.

wxyz1:
we are discoursing the subject matter not the meaning of deregulation which i can educate you on. Government rush to say Pengasan supported 145 pump price, and they are saying No, we supported deregulation not price hike. now from the subject matter, what so ever might be the effect of deregulation is a matter for another day. But the problem here is why cant the govt report issue the way it is, Must it result telling lies?

To support deregulation is equal to supporting the consequences of deregulation. Including a dramatic increase or decrease in the price of the product without government intervention.

Is it possible for there to be a righteous slave trader or a righteous prostitute or a righteous albeit corrupt public servant?

KingEbukasBlog:
Mountains - problems that seem impossible to solve , situations that are not favorable etc . the poster ^^^ has addressed your question . You may ask me any other questions though apparently your atheistic views are inveterate

But not actual mountains? How convenient!

Brigance:
lol.

I wonder the kind of pastor your moniker claims you to be if you don't know the drill.

well, lemme iterate.

After you must have been convicted of your sins, evidenced by a session of wrenching tears, then you say with your mouth and believe with your heart(of course not head).

Then your version of the Holy Spirit is released onto you.

Thereafter, you understand the deep things of the Bible.

Then after you return to your sinner ways. Lying deceiving and etc

KingEbukasBlog:
Hian ... It's like asking Christians to pray so that bridges would be constructed and houses built on their own . Some people use charms to cure sicknesses - my room mate's snake bite was taken care of by mere incantations by a herbalist , according to him .

That's why most atheists think prayers can't move mountains. Aside from snake bites what else?

KingEbukasBlog:
You know in life , people can choose to believe whatever they wish to believe - this does not reduce the efficacy of these 'mystical tools ' . The use of charms is the like the lowest level of mysticism .

Sigh.

What's the limit to which these charms can be used? For example it does not work with the construction of bridges and roads; nor with housing deficits; nor with medical care or treatment; what then does it work for?

KingEbukasBlog:
You clearly don't understand how this works

It does work for practical purposes doesn't it? I think the quackiness of jazz shows in it's uselessness.

pneumaticos:
Using this medium to invite those with revelation into the purpose of ma n on earth

Atheist believe there is no God.so most of them fill themselfs with knowledge which seems to be real knowledge but it actually hollow knowledge

Saints it important to know that atheism is a spirit...it desire is to fill the one decieved with lots of knowledge, they often derive pleasure in this knowledge..it something I experienced though I never became one


Like the real owner of my post said..atheism is a religion

Its a religion first of all because it based on some set of believes..weither scientific or any other

Believes are based on culture which actually is in turn base upon some precepts ...every mans believe is based on what he has heard, seen touched which he now form his/her principles from...so at the end of the day,an atheist is a worshiper of himself or herself..that's why they like to argue alot.ask lot of questions.depends on some other peoples finding to cushion their egos...it a very hard thing to come out from

Ok
As regards why God created man...this is the part I like others that can give a clear say or word on

My understanding of the reason is this
christianity or Jesus christ always talked about a Kingdom,which is actually a government
The almighty God wanted to extend his government to earth. There for he created man.man was created to be a lord or gorvernor over the province called earth


.now,the man God created has his own free will just like god...the free will was given to man to aid in the colonization process of the earth

What Satisfaction was God seeking when he created man? Was he searching the satisfaction Conquerors seek when they dominate kingdoms and empires?

I think Olaadegbu's point on objective morals is that they are as objective as God's Will. Since Divine Will is an objective though hardly ascertained fact, a reflection of it is as well objective.

Which of the pro jazz people is willing to give money to a native doctor to erect his/her house?

The report contains a proviso, that the test does not preclude the presence of drug abuse. It also states that there is screening cutoff which the test relies on to find a certain concentration of several substances. A more specific and analytic test is available upon request.

What do you mean by freewill? Does it include deciding which economic class and background one wants? Or the type of family? or one's religion? Can free will make a man choose to be wiser, better at mathematics? Can free will make one a genius?

Is omniscience necessary for freewill? Can a foolish or ignorant man really exercise free will? If I am unaware of Options BCDE but only of A, have I freely decided? And if I'm aware of the other options, would my decision really change?

It is necessary to know what sort of free will you are talking about.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is an all wise entity . Don't you think He is in the best position to give a just , wise and appropriate verdict ?

Don't you think you have the faculty and sense to know what is unjust and just?

KingEbukasBlog:
If you didnt have an opportunity of hearing the gospel , you'll be judged according to your works .

Wouldn't it have been unfair to punish the man for ignorance due to his circumstances?

orisa37:
All unbelievers will face Judgement before God decides where they go heavens or hell. All who believe in Christ Jesus have . their names already written in the Book of life. No Judgement for they're already in eternal life.

Where is the merit for going to heaven other than believing Jesus? Can a bible believing thief or a corrupt man of God or politician go to heaven?

KingEbukasBlog:
Man was conceived in Sin . Salvation is the redemption from Sin . Sin appalls God . Salvation through Christ links you to God .

You see ?

Assuming a man right from the day he was born, is locked up in a dark dungeon, adequately fed but doesn't speak to anyone till his death. Such a man has no deeds offends no one for the lack of an opportunity, would you still conclude he is a sinner?

KingEbukasBlog:
Isaiah 64:6



It does not count until you are indeed of God , washed by the blood of Jesus . Whether you see it as ridiculous or not , thats the path that has to be followed .

What was the point of salvation when it condemns just and good people for hypocrites?

The hypocrisy of Christians can be shocking at times despite its regularity. They stress on the arrival and departure of Jesus as the shining light to Salvation. That all you need is follow his path as he had walked on.

But they ignore the fact that the deeds of Jesus are the path. The commandments of loving one's neighbour, to resist anger, which is the root of all evils, resist injustice and be compassionate. How then can a man carries these values and has indeed loved his neighbors, protected the vulnerable and exercised a great degree of self control, be thrown to hell and be punished for not acknowledging Jesus's name or ritualized Christianity?!

It is ridiculous.

rexzqcom:
Their name says it all...FBI--federal bureau of investigation. Think Nigeria use to have something like that as a unit of their police department....CID...central Intelligence division(department).
Unlike the Nigeria type, USA own is federal constituted unit independent of other police departments.
Don't have time for costs benefits analysis. System do decentralised and saturate communities with policing needs. Enforcers knows the population better because they're members. When new people enter their communities they know strangers. And are also aware of the bad actors to round up or check out when bad things happen. They knows their beats. And communicates findings to FBI and CIA when necessary and required for homeland security protection central database.

"They know their community better" is your thin threadlike point you have. I think policing is more complex than that.

rexzqcom:
@Kay17
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Scope of FBI duties is wide. Sometimes, they investigate and reprosecute cases of local jurisdictions where there are suspicion of miscarriage of justice.
Los-Angeles police cannot go to New-York and arrest somebody from his home. FBI coordinate that. New-York police cannot go to Nigeria to arrest somebody. CIA coordinate that. USA have no national police. FBI is not a national police. Is a national (undercover) intelligences laws enforcement organization. As undercover, they wears no uniforms.

They are not police but law enforcement intelligence agency because they don't wear a uniform?! I think if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it is a duck!

If tomorrow the Nigeria Police decides to dispense with uniforms, would that make them only law enforcement and intelligence agency?!

rexzqcom:
USA do not have national police. FBI is not a national police. Is an undercover "federal bureau of investigations".As such, they don't wear uniforms. Other than prosecuting federal laws violations, FBI effect arrest of people who commit crime in one state and run or live in another states. FBI apprehend such people and present them to where they're needed. And also charge them for federal count of interstates flight to avoid prosecutions. Just like CIA do international flights to avoid prosecutions matters. Coordinations are synchronize seamlessly by the middle authority and the localities. For example Lagos city police complains to federal intelligences unit, who communicates with their branch in ibadan. Fed in ibadan, act on ibadan local police, who does the arrest. Hands to Fed who takes the criminal to Lagos local police, who charges him to court.
Same thing between localities within the same state. The intermediary this time are state authorities like sherrif,DPS, or states Troopers.

The pertinent question you artfully dodged -- isn't the entire arrangement a waste of resources when an overarching system like a federal police be used to avoid such waste and web of coordinating authorities. Rather than have several police units, just one would suffice.

rexzqcom:
Few remnants of present police can be designated as federal Marshall units (uniformed), while the nonuniformed intelligences units as federal intelligences unit like the FBl, and cia for international issues.
All policings are local. All crimes happen in local jurisdictions. States sheriff department coordinate intra- state matters occuring across local jurisdictional authorities. FBI/ federal Marshalls coordinate inter-states and federal laws violations respectively.
Often deputy costables (costabulary unit) police unincorporated areas between localities. Chiefs of local police are appointed by local governments chairs, who are ellected and accountable to the people. This is what decentralised police look like.

FBI is a national police not a mere intelligence unit. Their constituting law describes them as law enforcement under the attorney General. They through the AG prosecute make arrests etc. They are the most powerful law enforcement in the US.

Now this so called coordination between multiple police units, isn't it a waste of resources and time?! It is not like there is an authority that covers coordinating police units which ensures smooth coordination.

janellemonae:
Having a strong federal government and having strong states are not mutually exclusive. The united states is a rich country and can afford to implement social programs nationwide. The states CONTROL their administrations, funding, education boards, the POLICE. etc. Of course the federal govt controls intelligence services, the army and international trade. If they dont, whats the point of having a federal govt or remaining as a country, all d states can seceede.

What the hell does "strong federal and strong state government" mean?! Strong in this sense means a favorable imbalance of powers and responsibilities in for either the States or the central government. Therefore a true federation has more responsibilities powers and resources to the constituent States and deliberately weakening the centre in order to maintain their relative independence.

Compared to the past and pre Civil War (US) the States were more powerful with most of the responsibilities and resources the federal government now has.

rexzqcom:
Ondo too. Time our political leaders start putting their security votes to use. If Fulanis can posses guns to protect their cows, our vigilante should be equally licensed with guns to protect lifes, and our productive farms properties.

To whom are the vigilantes accountable to?