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PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 1:12pm On Jan 12
I noticed you ran out through the backdoor - and your silence suggests a "chickening out".


"Handkerchief" which wipes waste (sweat), may only have some dignity since it's not used in the toilet, but it sure does lack big value in the market.


Big value "tissue paper" (waste) is ready to get dirty and go into the mud to win the jackpot - the place where "miss perfect & clean" handkie cannot dare reach.


So do you still prefer your handkerchief? Or are you still expecting Trump's missiles to solve your country's problems?










Streetinvestor2:
You are right but tissue paper is mostly for waste product unlike the handkerchief. The religious aspects is already in the coalition in adc and never same faith agenda like we have with a drug baron. The only reason it was adopted was a BH commander has to be VP for work well done with chibok girls saga that removed Gej..You will definitely be alright soon when trump does the needful like he did in Venezuela
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 11:56am On Jan 12
If you support his comment - let me know so I can treat your case differently.

I will still owe you a Cage.

If you didn't support him - then my apologies in advance.




Streetinvestor2:
lwkd
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 11:53am On Jan 12
Hmm! -  "By their comment, you shall know them"...

The way you write, is a reflection of yourself.


If that's a bit nice...



MrColdsweat:
Get your head out of balablu's arse and have some fresh air.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op):
If you support his comment - let me know so I can treat your case differently.

I will still owe you a Cage.

If you didn't support him - then my apologies in advance.


Streetinvestor2:
lwkd
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 10:44am On Jan 12
How do you feel now? You feel good..? Okay - wait for this:

You asked Why?: Because it takes SENSE to write and read the REALITY in my article. 

But it takes a DULLARD (Bird Brain) to interpret the article upside down. 

I don't write BIG ENGLISH; I write clear English. 



bmd1010:
Big English yet u no get sense why
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 10:38am On Jan 12
I like the new assignment you have given me. If I am to accept and write on your proposed topic: - ......"The candidate that can defeat tinibu in election rigging and politics of lies is not yet born" ......-   it will be irresponsible to write such.

I'd rather say ABSENT in this class than get an F9 in the topic. 


But if I say PRESENT SIR! and write on your proposed topic - ...everything single piece, will be lies from the pit of hell - because everybody on earth lies and cheats... - therefore, they have been born already. 





Mbanda:
The candidate that can defeat tinibu in election rigging and politics of lies is not yet born.

Change the caption of your thread to this, so that people will understand the area you are driving at.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 10:32am On Jan 12
I understand. 


Peter Obi, with full respect - is elderly - what you call "Dinosaur". Age is irrelevant in politics - you know why? - because some old people act younger than their age. 



Just as I addressed a fellow commenter on Tinubu losing Lagos in 2023: In my opinion, it showed a healthy competition. Even with the strong Obidient mobilisation in Lagos and Abuja particularly, Tinubu was able to scale through. 


You may want to say the gap Tinubu gave Atiku and Obi was a rigged-gap - but in fairness, would it be wrong if he did so - if other candidates too likely rigged on their own parts with their own money? No candidate was likely innocent in 2023 whether with their consent or not.


The push-strategy you propose may work - as it would be unfair to continuously underestimate the tsunami candidate you hype. 


I am just simply describing how many cylinders the APC Engine, ADC Engine and other political engines have at the moment - if they're to run from Lagos to Kaduna.  






aswani:
This so called patriarchal society is crying out for change as can be seen from the Peter Obí Tsunami. The old dinosaurs are dying out and we have more younger people energised to vote against the old school.

President Tinubu lost Lagos state in the last elections, think about that, he lost his Lagos state.

We can push again, despite Obidients, one big push with two women and you will be amazed at the result.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 10:28am On Jan 12
Regarding the false certificate allegations - my initial point to you still stands, that there's no retrieved evidence of such. 


A judge rules in favour of Tinubu if, Tinubu can prove the validity of his certificate - even if Tinubu acquired it 'illegally', tidied it up, clean up the messes and submitted it as evidence "legally" - the Judges will rule in his favour.


It's a hard truth but real. Even in your day-to-day experiences with people - you're most likely to believe a girl's statement that "she was harrased" by a particular guy just now - and the guy (who's innocent) defends himself saying "It's not true" - but ofcourse, in usual situations, the girl is "believed" because of her "cry and tears evidence" - and the guy is arrested immediately for providing "NO social-evidence" beyond his innocence. 


So you have to understand why Judges make pronouncements the way they do. It's about the legal instructions they must follow - not a flexible/lenient decision making, they feel they should follow.


So, the judiciary in Nigeria is not always 100% money influenced. 




Truvelisback:
Someone with a falsified certificate is whom you are defending. The same case that disqualified David Lyon in Bayelsa State governorship because his vice had a fake certificate. Take it or leave it, Nigeria's Judges are dependent.
PoliticsRe: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 3:36pm On Jan 11
I appreciate your sportsmanship. 

True to the fact that Nigerian immigrants make up a significant number of bible readers in the UK - even some jamos and ghanian immigrants too are included in this category. 

Nevertheless, the immigrants are part of the UK population - so, any event caused by them, will still be a UK affair rather than a isolated one.

The true borns (British natives) 18-24 year olds are reported to seek spirituality, but from your personal experience and from a general understanding, most people will doubt a youngster would want to have anything to do with God even though it may be happening. 

Cheers!  







budaatum:
I wrote a long tirade about issues raised in your above, but this is the relevant point.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/10/its-younger-people-seeking-some-sort-of-spirituality-the-rise-of-uk-bible-sales

Your position is affirmed and is conceded.

We however differ in cause. The japas from Nigeria alone would count for a huge surge in UK Bible sales, and I strongly doubt UK 18-24s are reading Bible as much as is claimed, as that's the age most are laying their future out at uni.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 1:35pm On Jan 11
This is an allegation. While we were not all present at the 700+ local governments in Nigeria and their respective polling units - the INEC Chair and Judges you've accused had a job to do - conduct a free and fair election - and make judgments within the ambuit of the law. 

Often times, the INEC Chairman, becomes the scapegoat for the mistakes of thousands of INEC field agents who know right from wrong. 

And the Judges become BIASED simply because the INEC presented altered results legally to the Judges for judgement - and one expects a Judge to rule on such case with emotions rather than laid-down rules and evidence.


Until there's evidence to support what many can't see - all accusations don't exist.  




Truvelisback:
What do you expect? Someone who has bought INEC chairman and the Judge. grin Tinubu can't win a free and fair election.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 1:33pm On Jan 11
Well ... A handkerchief wipes off waste products produced in the body - so it's still within the same family. That by the way....

It's good to know that religious conversions are ongoing. Good luck with that. 

Your drug baron and Boko haram allegations are politically motivated. There are many real drug barons and terrorists in Nigeria.

If America have hard evidence to prove your allegations, then only then, can such allegations be accepted. But ofcourse - some will call America's hard facts politically motivated. 

So, you don't need faith in the alleged criminals; just transfer your faith to Trump and experience the difference when he does arrive. 








Streetinvestor2:
You are right but tissue paper is mostly for waste product unlike the handkerchief. The religious aspects is already in the coalition in adc and never same faith agenda like we have with a drug baron. The only reason it was adopted was a BH commander has to be VP for work well done with chibok girls saga that removed Gej..You will definitely be alright soon when trump does the needful like he did in Venezuela
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 1:32pm On Jan 11
I respect your feminist view but Nigeria is a patriarchal society. 

Second, Bianca and a female middle-belt VP is a weak link from all perspectives. Except if Nigerians become different overnight. 


Obi did well. With a better strategy, he could go one step up but not in an astronomical way. He's a growing brand.  



aswani:
You know what, I disagree somewhat.

If Bianca could get a young female middle belt to deputise her, they just might beat him, only just though.

Look at how Peter Obí polled votes last time despite Obidient foolishness and the Pandora papers hanging over his head.

Hdr best bet is waiting her turn in APC sha.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 1:29pm On Jan 11
Okay. If an independent poll is conducted, we might know the true strength of Tinubu and Obi - but note : Analog people are different from the digital people - so the poll will only capture the digital. 


An INEC election brings the opinion of both analog and digital people in one result sheet - this effectively captures EVERYBODY it can possibly capture. And note as well: millions of supporters don't even come out to vote. 


So stop making a 1,000 man result judgement to discredit a result that captured millions of Nigerians. Anyone can conduct a 1000 respondents poll online with a wifi - but who can conduct 30 million surveys worth billions of naira? 


I'm not saying Obi doesn't have strength - but factor in his weight compared to Tinubu and Atiku with or without rigging - YOUR MIND WON'T DECEIVE YOU - Only your words. 




sirchim:
Make we hear word jor! Confirm Baban Baban BARAWOO, way even EYEneck knew that. Make him conduct a FREE and FAIR election, make we know who popular pass between him and OBI the Tsunami,Sarkin Salama.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 8:22pm On Jan 10
The title you proposed: "the person to rig more than THIEFNIBU Baban Baban BARAWOO, is not yet born." - would be a better post for you to write and submit - as you will have more experience writing about theft since you 'may' have knowledge of it better.


Tinubu losing Lagos state at 2023 election shows that it wasn't rigged in lagos - so why do you judge the whole country as rigged...?



sirchim:
Is there another THIEFNIBU, or the one way no fit win a FREE and FAIR election, the one way no fit win him state of origin, the same one way collect WOTOWOTO home and away, for Lagos way him dey claim one yeye jagaban? Your heading should rather be "the person to rig more than THIEFNIBU Baban Baban BARAWOO, is not yet born."
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 8:15pm On Jan 10
The SW comment you've made is a compliment. The tissue market in Nigeria is bigger than the handkerchief market curently.

So, it still shows value.

Since you are forming a coalition with the north, it would be advised that you also form a religious coalition to fast track your beloved to the Aso villa.



Streetinvestor2:
Then next time limit the rubbish post to SW and not any other region. The same way the SW is what u claim the SE is to your region.
The region is like tissue paper to us now.That is why we are with north in the coalition
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 4:50pm On Jan 10
On the contrary, Tinubu hasn't defeated himself. The economy has improved under his administration but not at the momentum you want it.

A few beneficiaries, see the positive impact of Tinubu's administration - that's why it looks invisible to you.





DatNiggaDaz:
grin grin

You don't need any candidate to defeat Tinubu. Even a non living thing can defeat him.

He has successfully defeated himself. Only Tinubu can defeat Tinubu which he has has unsurprisely done wonderful well in that regards

cheesy
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 4:43pm On Jan 10
Every saint and sinner is afraid of a free and fair election. Even students that read well for exams are afraid of failure. 

I don't have confidence in malpractices - I only want to create an awareness of what exist - and what people will do to get any exam score they desire or any election result they desire. 





Ofunaofu:
OP, the truth is your confidence in Tinubu winning in 2027 rests on intimidation, voter suppression, thuggery, agberos, and compromised institutions, not the people’s will. That’s not strength; it’s fear.

Any candidate who needs a rigged system to win isn’t popular; he’s terrified of a free and fair election.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 4:42pm On Jan 10
It's good to know you understand reality. Only a few truly understand it.   




LottiOk:
Op leave the willfully blind and sworn haters of PBAT to continue decieving themselves that anyone can win PBAT in '27 elections.

Most of them responding to your post know you are stating the obvious Reality but they prefer to believe in fantasies that their candidate can win him 😁😀😄😅😂🤣

Let me repeat it again for those who don't want to accept reality.

NO MAN dead or alive can win PBAT in the next election

The main opposition candidates know this and are just grandstanding and riding on the emotions of their deluded and gullible supporters,so it won't be like they quit so easily.

By the time campaigns start, it'll be clearer to those who love to believe in the lies they tell themselves.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 4:40pm On Jan 10
Well... maybe you're correct. It's like when a wristwatch and handkerchief falls off someone on a bike, and he stops the bike man to pick up his wristwatch and let his handkerchief fly away.

To simplify the statement: the North and the SW are his wristwatches and SE is____ ; - well... you fill in the blank. 






Streetinvestor2:
All the shit u wrote apples to only SW region. He is nobody in SE and other regions.
We no dey even see him.And has not won any election in SE.He is only god in his region because of the level of hunger and poverty. Every person in my region is hard working and believe he will make it so you cannot use money to lord over his generation.
PoliticsRe: The Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 4:38pm On Jan 10
It's based on something worth more than a million dollar pen - if you're curious to know. 




CodeTemplarr:
Is it based in performance or ability to use N50 pen to write the result?
PoliticsThe Candidate To Defeat Tinubu Is Not Yet Born by kayjordan(op): 12:33pm On Jan 10
The current President Bola Tinubu is the strongest politician in Nigeria for many reasons - but one fact you must know is that, he's like a "Mafia-Politician" and you need someone that matches this quality to defeat him.


The contenders for the Aso seat in 2027 puts a light weight on the scale - to have the full chicken on it, goes beyond the consolidation of political parties - it's practically about individuality in this regard. Strong people bring value to political parties and the party structure rely on these strong individuals. 


It may have been thought of severally, if Nigeria could have something like a Dangote/Otedola ticket on any political platform for example; but the truth is, such ticket would only be as powerful as the economy - not politically. Therefore there's no current billionaire in Nigeria that can contest with Tinubu except if you provide a "Donald Trump" replica. 


The patronage system in Nigeria is an entitlement culture which acts as the fuel for the political machinery - from the average man on the streets to chieftains down to the civil service - everybody wants a share of the "National Cake" - nobody really cares about the "National Interest". Once you understand the psychology of Nigerians, you win the chess match. 


To rule "the unruly" - you must be crazy enough to do it. There's a similar man that fits this description - "Wike".


The political branding of the -  "money bag" or the "people's advocate", hasn't been proven to work effectively in Nigerian elections because - the system requires "familiarity". A well-known politician has more edge over a money-bag or an activists. It's just like a lady dating a rich sugar daddy and showing loyalty to a broke guy or an average guy she's known for years instead. 


Nigerians are complex - to be as attractive as the man in power, you need a mix of big money, love for the people and massive popularity with ruthlessness. "Nobody listens to the Gentleman; they listen to the Soldier".
PoliticsA Basic Risk-assessment For ADC Party by kayjordan(op): 7:50am On Jan 08
( - Subjective Analysis - )

This risk-assessment will follow a SWOT frame-work to determine if this political party has any chance of winning in the 2026/2027 general elections in Nigeria. Here's the breakdown below:


SWOT ANALYSIS  - 

STRENGTH: The ADC has a good structure and a cooperative team. The party has successfully secured two high performing presidential candidates for it's 2026/2027 presidential race.


WEAKNESSES: The party lacks a financial system that will finance it's political operations. The party lacks the leverage of the state governments and the federal governnment powers in Nigeria which is a disadvantage.


OPPORTUNITIES: The party can capitalise on the population of the youth which make up a significant share of the Nigerian population. 


THREATS: The party is faced with the major threat of APC as the ruling and the most dominant political party in Nigeria. 



Key Indicators for the 2026/2027 Election:

Patterns - The last election (2023), saw patterns of voting which showed voters preferences for certain candidates based on ethnicity, religion and peer pressure.


Numbers - The last election had a pie-chart result which showed approximately half of the pie votes controlled by the ruling party - and the other half divided among the two other contending parties. 


Background: The result of the last election shows a consistency with previous elections which indicates consistent patterns of voting and consistent election results over the decade.

Corruption & Technological Integrity: The Mandatory Transmission under the Electoral Act 2025 (Section 60, Sub-section 5), electronic transmission of results from Polling Units to the IReV portal is now mandatory, not discretionary. This reduces the "fixation of addition and subtraction" in the election results as as allegedly noted in previous election results.


Past Fears: There's been subtle fear of territorial decentralisation - creating consistent and deliberate candidate selections and election result rulings over the years. 



HYPOTHESIS: 
Based on the above qualitative analysis, the ADC may - 

H1: Win the 2026/2027 Election with a northern/southern candidate merger (Prez/VP).

H2: Win the 2026/2027 Election by securing the structure of the political landscape than a fragment of the population (Youth). 

H3: Lose the 2026/2027 Election by selecting a minority candidate for the Presidency.

H4: Lose the 2026/2027 Election by placing a minority candidate as Presidential candidate and a majority candidate as Vice-presidential candidate. 



The Recommendation: Based on the SWOT Analysis and Key Indicators in this report - I recommend the ADC capitalise on a strong candidacy and a strong investment vehicle in advance, to fund an effective campaign.
PoliticsRe: The Secret Meeting Of The ADC Chiefs: A Story For The Wise by kayjordan(op): 2:45pm On Jan 07
To translate these game-like statistics into a political SWOT framework, the following interpretations are used:

Attack/Striking: Offensive capabilities. The ability to control the narrative, criticize opponents effectively, and land impactful political blows.

Strength: [/b]Foundational resilience. Political stamina, depth of resources, or a core, unwavering support base.

[b]Defense: [/b]The ability to withstand political attacks, deflect criticism, and protect one's record.

[b]Confidence: [/b]Projected self-assurance, morale, and the perception of inevitability.

[b]ATIKU ABUBAKAR


Stats: [/b]Attack (85%) / Striking (75%) / Strength (55%) / Defense (56%) / Confidence (75%)

[b]STRENGTHS (Internal & Positive) WEAKNESSES (Internal & Negative)


Dominant Offensive Capability: With the highest Attack (85%) and Striking (75%) scores in the group, his primary strength is setting the agenda and landing impactful blows on opponents.

Low Resilience & Defense: [/b]His lowest scores are Strength (55%) and Defense (56%). This indicates a "glass cannon" profile—he hits hard but is vulnerable when attacked and may lack long-term political stamina compared to his offensive output.

[b]High Self-Assurance: [/b]Confidence (75%) is tied for his second-highest trait, suggesting he projects a strong belief in his own victory, which can boost morale.

[b]OPPORTUNITIES (External & Positive) THREATS (External & Negative)

Controlling the Narrative: He can leverage his superior Attack/Striking stats to put opponents with weaker defenses (like Obi) constantly on the back foot, preventing them from gaining momentum. Vulnerability to Counter-Attack: Because his Defense (56%) is mediocre, a sustained, well-coordinated attack on his record by an opponent could cause significant damage that he cannot easily deflect.


PETER OBI

Stats: Attack (55%) / Striking (49%) / Strength (65%) / Defense (52%) / Confidence (40%)

STRENGTHS (Internal & Positive) WEAKNESSES (Internal & Negative)

Comparative Resilience: His highest stat is Strength (65%). While not the highest overall, it is significantly better than his other attributes, suggesting his main asset is a solid, perhaps niche, base or political stamina. Critically Low Impact: He possesses the lowest scores in the entire dataset for Striking (49%) and Confidence (40%). He struggles severely to land impactful political messages and projects very low self-assurance.
Weak Offensive Presence: With mediocre Attack (55%), he cannot effectively challenge opponents or seize the initiative.

OPPORTUNITIES (External & Positive) THREATS (External & Negative)
The Endurance Strategy: [/b]He must rely entirely on his Strength (65%) stat to outlast opponents in a long campaign, hoping their lower stamina (like Atiku’s 55% Strength) fails before his does. [b]Being Ignored or Overshadowed: Due to extremely low Confidence and Striking, the major threat is irrelevance. High-attack opponents like Atiku will likely dominate the stage, making Obi seem invisible or ineffectual to the electorate.


ROTIMI AMAECHI

Stats: Attack (65%) / Striking (52%) / Strength (68%) / Defense (58%) / Confidence (55-60%)

STRENGTHS (Internal & Positive) WEAKNESSES (Internal & Negative)

Superior Resilience: [/b]He holds the highest Strength (68%) score of all three candidates. This indicates the most solid political foundation, resource depth, or stamina among the group. [b]Ineffective Striking: His lowest score is Striking (52%). While he has decent aggressive intent (Attack 65%), his blows rarely land with impact, making his offense inefficient.

Balanced Defensive Capability: [/b]His Defense (58%) is the highest in the group (marginally), suggesting he is slightly better equipped to handle criticism than the others.

[b]Middling Presence:
Apart from Strength, his stats hover in the average range (55-65%), suggesting a lack of a dynamic "breakout" attribute.
OPPORTUNITIES (External & Positive) THREATS (External & Negative)

War of Attrition: He is best positioned to leverage his superior Strength (68%) and adequate Defense (58%) to wage a long, grueling campaign that drains opponents with lower stamina (Atiku). Losing the Air War: His mediocre Striking (52%) and average Confidence (55-60%) mean he threatens to be drowned out by highly aggressive opponents who can capture more media attention with impactful messaging.

PoliticsThe Secret Meeting Of The ADC Chiefs: A Story For The Wise by kayjordan(op): 1:41pm On Jan 07
ADC & Her Chosen Son:

There lived a Mother named ADC (Afrika Democratic Country) fondly called "Mama ADC" who was dispossessed of her empire and returns in another form after several years to take back the empire she lost.

She doesn't have the strength to fight the war against the enemy called APC (All Powerful Concord) that took over her empire. 


She therefore nominates three of her sons to fight the war on her behalf - and asks the Council of Chiefs to select the best amongst them to fight the war.


The sons nominated are:

- ZO: He's the eldest son of Mama ADC - he's a successful merchant - once a second-in-command warlord.

- BIA: He's the second son of Mama ADC - he's a successful trader - once a warlord in a kingdom and recently fought a war against the enemy for an empire domination but lost the battle. 

- VA: He's the last son of Mama ADC - once a warlord in a kingdom as well. He controversially joined forces with the enemy that made his mother Mama ADC lose her empire. 



One day, the Council of Chiefs deliberated on Mama ADC's request in the Council Hall - to select the chosen one:


CHIEF LION: Good day distinguished Chiefs! We are here to select a royal son at Mama ADC's request - the son who will fight this war that will make her reclaim her empire once again - so whom amongst the three sons do you all pick to lead this war.


CHIEF ELEPHANT: I nominate ZO. He has more experience. 


CHIEF TORTOISE: No I don't agree. He's too old.. I choose the second son - BIA.


CHIEF ELEPHANT: Which BIA? He's young and not experienced enough. 


CHIEF TORTOISE: How did you know he's not experienced enough? Didn't you see how he performed at the last empire war? Plus again, he fought a kingdom war some years ago and won. So what are you saying?


CHIEF LION: Chiefs!! Calm down, let's not argue. 


CHIEF TORTOISE: But hear what he's saying? 


CHIEF ELEPHANT: What am I saying that is wrong?


CHIEF LION: Okay Chiefs! This is what I suggest... I'd suggest that since the three sons have war experiences, we would factor in other qualities such as maturity, physical strength and vision. I think I see that in ZO.


CHIEF TORTOISE: I don't agree with you... what can ZO possibly do that BIA cannot do? Is it because he's the oldest that you're nominating him? See..age is just a number. 


CHIEF ELEPHANT: You say age is just a number? .. So as old as you are, does it mean you don't have substance?


CHIEF TORTOISE: I think this man is getting high!.... You that you're talking, do you have substance? As big as you are..


CHIEF ELEPHANT: Can you see that you're beginning to lose your common sense? As small as you are, what substance do you have talkless of running if you hear a bomb now?


CHIEF TORTOISE: Shut up there!!


CHIEF ELEPHANT: You too, shut up! ...I can just step on you with one leg now and you're over.


CHIEF TORTOISE: You can't try it !! I dare you.



CHIEF LION: Chiefs!!!! Please it's okay... i think at this point, I have to make a neutral decision. For the sake of neutrality, I'd suggest both ZO and BIA lead the war.


CHIEF ELEPHANT: That's okay! As long as ZO who has more experience, is the foreman.


CHIEF TORTOISE: What nonsense foreman? Who are you to decide who should be a foreman or not? Do you know the capacity of BIA? Do you think he's an ordinary person? 


CHIEF ELEPHANT: You're just shouting!.. What is the capacity of BIA? Do you want to compare an experienced man who fought a land mass empire war years ago with someone that just fought on a small parcel of land? 


CHIEF LION: Gentlemen!...


CHIEF TORTOISE: No! No! wait Chief Lion, let me address this Big for Nothing... You say parcel of land?....the big land that your so called favourite fought....was it his fight? Was he not just as assistant?


CHIEF ELEPHANT: Was is it not his money they used? 


CHIEF TORTOISE: Which money? (Laughs)... okay, but did he even carry ordinary knife talkless of a sword to fight the war?  BIA fought his wars, with his own sword and money...so what are saying? 


CHIEF ELEPHANT: You say money? Money that he borrowed. 


CHIEF TORTOISE: Who told you BIA borrowed money? He doesn't need to borrow money, he's a rich Trader..a very rich one infact! 


CHIEF ELEPHANT: (Chuckles) very rich?! Do you want to compare groundnut to bread? 



CHIEF TORTOISE: Look at this one! How many businesses does ZO have compared to BIA?


CHIEF ELEPHANT: It's now that I see that you're not only small in size, but small in common sense.  ZO that pumped heavy money into the first war he fought....where do you think all that large money came from? Is it from one business only? Nonsense! 



CHIEF LION: Before you interject Chief Tortoise... let me just say one thing here to everyone.. It's not about money or age, but the virtuous qualities of a fighter - how he can strike, attack and defend with strength and confidence. That's what I want to see in any of the three sons. Any of the three sons that have this set of qualities, will be the chosen one and the chosen son. 



###


The Final Recommendation of the Council:

Based on the qualities of striking abilities, attacking abilities, strength, defense and confidence, here is the recommendation decided upon:

>>   ATTACK means (Pursuit)/ STRIKE means (Engagement)/ STRENGTH means (Age) / DEFENSE means (Strategy)/ CONFIDENCE means (Attitude)   <<



ZO: Attack (85%)/ Striking (75%)/ Strength (55%)/ Defense (56%)/ Confidence (75%). 


BIA: Attack (55%)/ Striking (49%)/ Strength (65%)/ Defense (52%)/ Confidence (40%). 


VA: Attack (65%)/ Striking (52%)/ Strength (68%)/ Defense (58%)/ Confidence (55-60%). 




The Council Chiefs have presented the recommendation to Mama ADC and she will decide when to give a go ahead. 


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PoliticsRe: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 10:40am On Jan 05
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/provisionalpopulationestimatefortheuk/mid2025



https://www.google.com/search?q=https://www.biblesociety.org.uk/research/the-quiet-revival/


https://www.eauk.org/assets/files/downloads/Changing-Church-2025-FINAL.pdf


https://thecatholicherald.com/article/new-figures-reveal-a-surge-in-belief-in-god-among-gen-z-britons








budaatum:
No one said Youngsters in the UK do not have the free-will to choose between Science and Religion as they mature. And your reading of the Church of England report does not support the increase you seem to think there is.

The growth in church attendance is mainly in pentecostal churches, and that is full of immigrants. It is not growing amongst the natives. Churches, and even pentecostal churches, are shutting down as attendance and revenue dwindles.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/369080/church-of-england-attendance-by-service-uk/

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2025/31-october/news/uk/church-of-england-statistics-for-mission-contradict-claims-of-quiet-revival

I have included the exact phrases used in my questions for the images below so you can falsify it to see the relevant links and not just assume AI.

Good morning.
PoliticsRe: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 9:23am On Jan 05
This first argument will be concise (I hope) for the sake of the broad information for the second argument. 


First Argument on (Free-will): 

Your explanation is a comprehensive scientific analysis.  The software-operating system comparison you made states - you can choose any computer version, software for your operating system as it's your choice. This still affirms my point - as you cannot disprove my philosophical argument with data - only with logic.

Philosophy birthed science and philosophy is as abstract as spirituality - because philosophy tries to study it. 

So when dealing with abstract matters - philosophers explanation of your immediate environment/world, would sound imaginary compared to science's practical evidence-based explanations. 


One would have expected you to argue with my free-will submission in my earlier rebuttal - but instead, you cherry picked an error word - "believe" - to distract us from the main argument.


However, I decided to play along and acknowledge my mistake in order to stay focused on the main point - but if I may challenge your 'red flag' notification - I would say  - in layman's English or in informal settings, I'm still accurate if I say - "I believe in Science "   - just as you can say - "You believe in the Electoral System" or "You believe in the Health System" as supported by the English Dictionary. Science is no different from an 'Electoral System' or a 'Health System' as all three require scientific processes and methods.


Even if you say - "Trust in the System" - the word 'Trust' still makes a perfect synonym for the word "believe".


So, technically and professionally speaking, you are correct - but on the basis for which we are arguing - not so necessary, but acknowledgeable.



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Second argument on (UK religious level): 

Now to the main subject-matter which is:  "Do people still attend churches in the UK?" and "Do people still read bibles in the UK? " 


I stood firm initially on the motion that "People in the UK, still read the bible" and I confirmed a conservative (private life) attitude towards church attendance. I still stand by these facts.


The facts you have recently provided are back-dated or 'selective' or - 'not fully verified'.


However, we cannot argue with the facts  - but we can present them and defend them - 'except' - we individually conduct our independent research which is likely non-feasible.


To clean up your data - please see below, an extract of current facts: 


UK Population & Christian Demographics (2025)

Category Population (2025) % of Total Population
Total UK Population 69,487,000 100%

Total Christians ~27,100,000 39%

Total Churchgoers (Monthly+) 5,800,000 8.3%

Non-Churchgoing Christians ~18,700,000 27%

"Quiet Revival" Growth 2,100,000 Increase since 2018

Black & Minority Churchgoers ~1,102,000 1.6% (19% of churchgoers)




The Comparison: Churchgoers vs. Non-Churchgoers

The UK currently has a -  "High-Commitment" religious core but a - "Low-Engagement" cultural majority:



The Active Core (5.8 Million): This group has surged from 3.7 million in 2018 to 5.8 million in 2025.

The Cultural Majority (18.7 Million): These individuals identify as Christian but do not attend services. This group is shrinking (down from 32% to 27% of the population) as people either begin attending church (joining the revival) or stop identifying as Christian entirely.


Bible Reading Among Non-Churchgoing Christians

While the surge in Bible reading (now 12% of the total UK population, or 8.3 million people) is primarily driven by active churchgoers - a significant number of Christians who do not attend church still engage with the text.

Population of Non-Churchgoing Bible Readers: Approximately 4,460,000.

Percentage: Roughly 24% of all non-churchgoing Christians in the UK read the Bible at least weekly.

Context: This group accounts for the "gap" between the 3.8 million weekly readers who are regular churchgoers and the 8.3 million total weekly readers in the UK.


Verified & Credible Sources

Office for National Statistics (ONS): Provisional population estimate for the UK: mid-2025

Confirms the total UK population figure of 69.5 million.


The Bible Society: The Quiet Revival: 2025 Research Report

Provides the 5.8 million churchgoer figure, the 39% Christian identification stat, and the ethnic minority percentages.


YouGov / The Times: New figures reveal a surge in belief in God

Verifies the survey data showing 18–24-year-olds doubling their belief in God to 37%.


Evangelical Alliance: Changing Church 2025 Survey

Detailed breakdown of church growth (13–20% increase) across various denominations.



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The above submission from me, clarifies my initial facts -  and also clears common misconceptions such as personal testimonies, biases and hearsays. 


The internet is a public domain and free to access by anyone who wishes to confirm these subject matters - it's very simple - just type: "do people still attend churches or "read" bibles in the U.K?" - and one would get multiple results - the good, the bad and the worst. 


At this point, I suggest a "verdict" be made unless if the opposing party - which is your humble self has an objection. 










budaatum:
No one said Youngsters in the UK do not have the free-will to choose between Science and Religion as they mature. And your reading of the Church of England report does not support the increase you seem to think there is.

The growth in church attendance is mainly in pentecostal churches, and that is full of immigrants. It is not growing amongst the natives. Churches, and even pentecostal churches, are shutting down as attendance and revenue dwindles.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/369080/church-of-england-attendance-by-service-uk/

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2025/31-october/news/uk/church-of-england-statistics-for-mission-contradict-claims-of-quiet-revival

I have included the exact phrases used in my questions for the images below so you can falsify it to see the relevant links and not just assume AI.

Good morning.
PoliticsRe: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 10:04am On Jan 03
"Good morning!

I noticed you haven’t replied to my last rebuttal...

Does this mean you finally concede to my previous point that: -  "Youngsters in the UK have the free-will to choose between Science and Religion as they mature"? 

Also does this mean you finally concede to my general point that states: -  "The Bible is still very much a living 'Modem' in the UK", i.e - People in the UK still read the bible" ?


It occurs to me that, you as a person who supposedly lives in the UK - hasn't noticed the 'Quiet Revival' happening right under your nose. 

Kindly note: The 2025 data is out, and it proves my intuition is right. Please see an overview of the facts from various verified sources below:

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In the UK:

Bible Sales: Surged by 87% (Nielsen BookData).

Church Attendance: Grew by 50% since 2018 - now at 5.8 million monthly worshippers.

The Youth: 18–24-year-olds are leading this; 37% now believe in God, up from 16% just four years ago.

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You argued that the UK is 'scientific' and has moved on. 

The data shows they are using that same scientific education (which you lectured me on) to find their way back to faith.

Your map is old - my 'Signal' (My Point) is current. 

Cheers! 

Sources for these Figures:

The Bible Society: The Quiet Revival Report (2025).

Church of England: Statistics for Mission (Annual Returns 2019-2024).

Black Majority Churches (BMC) UK: Growth and Expansion Survey (2025).

Nielsen BookData: Religious and Spiritual Consumer Trends (2024-2025).

Office for National Statistics (ONS): Census 2021 & 2025 Mid-Year Projections.

British Science Association: Science in Society (2025).

YouGov poll reported in The Times and The Catholic Herald  (August 2025)







budaatum:
I have chosen to address this one statement for now because it completely misses the point.

In UK, we are not taught to "believe in science" or anything at all. We are taught to use the scientific method (or as I define science, use our senses like Eve is written to have).

Once one believes a thing, one stops asking and knocking and seeking for knowledge because one assumes that what one believes is knowledge, which it isn't or you'd say you know, instead of, "I believe". I see this as a huge issue in Nigeria where we tend to believe a lot.

Belief in anything, is religion. It is not encouraged in the UK education system. The use of the senses is, and that's why Rule Britannia!

By the way, buda is a non-believing atheist, as in one that does not just believe that gods do not exist, because I know humans create figments of imaginations of gods in their heads.

Good morning. Hope you woke well.
PoliticsRe: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 2:08pm On Jan 02
Good afternoon to You!
And I did wake up well - thank you!

Thank you for correcting my mistake. It is correct that you "aren't taught to believe in science but instead you are taught the scientific methods". 


Humans make mistakes especially when speed-typing. That's why Editors exist to correct mistakes. 


Science is falsifiable and what you have done is to falsify a point I made which both of us have agreed on.


But regardless of the error - the message of that paragraph still stands that - we are taught to learn from science (as corrected) - and as you grow into an adult - you make the decision to know which to align with - scientific knowledge or biblical knowledge.





budaatum:
I have chosen to address this one statement for now because it completely misses the point.

In UK, we are not taught to "believe in science" or anything at all. We are taught to use the scientific method (or as I define science, use our senses like Eve is written to have).

Once one believes a thing, one stops asking and knocking and seeking for knowledge because one assumes that what one believes is knowledge, which it isn't or you'd say you know, instead of, "I believe". I see this as a huge issue in Nigeria where we tend to believe a lot.

Belief in anything, is religion. It is not encouraged in the UK education system. The use of the senses is, and that's why Rule Britannia!

By the way, buda is a non-believing atheist, as in one that does not just believe that gods do not exist, because I know humans create figments of imaginations of gods in their heads.

Good morning. Hope you woke well.
PoliticsRe: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 10:55am On Jan 02
You're welcome. 


It's good to know that you've identified a socio-cultural effect of migrants on churches in the UK. 


The paragraph I wrote on Religious education is not Preaching - but rather Teaching bible stories. You cannot teach bible stories, history as you cited without introducing bible texts to the students.  



The paragraph on seeking meaning of the world through the bible I quoted: you have denied such fact, citing that youngsters prefer science over bible fairy-tale  -  Some people believe in science, some believe in God. I believe in Science; you believe in one of the two or both. 



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You are taught to believe in science. As you grow (Given your Child-Man Analogy earlier), you choose which path to go as an adult. 

So if some youngsters are seeking meaning of life through God, it is probably an undisputed fact. 

The Author of the Big Bang Theory was a Clergyman. 

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You noted your regular irritation to A.I drama that you have probably experienced with others. Likely reasons people disagree with AI is because of it's disclaimer "AI overview makes mistakes -cross check".

So, without being told to research further a pointer-AI summary, a knowledgeable person would know that he/she should do further reading beyond a summary reading. 

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Your final paragraph citing self-definition in religion - is also a socio-cultural factor. You mentioned many Nigerians not reading bibles or 'have never read the bible' from your personal experience - that fact is real to you - but not to the general Nigerian population in the UK.

From a socio-economic perspective - some Nigerians may not read the bible simply due to work and other pressures of city life. From a psychological perspective - some Nigerians will still make out time to 'at least' pray if they cannot read the bible.  

Still from a psychological perspective - some Nigerians read the bible and devotionals for psychological reasons known to them - they need not read the whole bible - but specific chapters and verses they may have been referred to.


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Now to my point: The UK at this time, is not an overly religious country but there are pockets of the population that are. 


In research - it's strategically difficult to capture a full population of the UK due to various factors - so researchers rely on sample population to make a general judgement. In some cases, reports often differ from one another due to the locations of research, the type of respondents and time of research - this however doesn't discredit the usage of research to seek knowledge. 


To still reaffirm my initial point - the bible reading and devotional reading is still in vogue and probably even increasing in modern times including church attendance. 


I will read your links now.



budaatum:
First thank you. You are appreciated.

A fast growing religion in UK is Islam, which is due to the influx of immigrants, and not the natives converting. Pentecostal Christianity is also growing, and not because the locals are leaving the Church of England to go there, but for the same reason Islam is growing. Immigrants. Below is a map of Pentecostal churches in the same area I posted for libraries. Most are Nigerian congregation churches.


Most churches are indeed full of black migrants, and would be dead without them.

My ma's church (of England) I sometimes go to is full of West Indian and Africans today, but investigate and you'd hear how they used to be referred to the Pentecostal church down the road as miss roads.


Now, this. You'd think religion education in UK is like in Nigeria, but it isn't. No teacher can stand in front of a class of students and preach god in a UK school. Not even in a Catholic or Muslim school can they do that, as the curriculum for religious education in UK forces the imparting of knowledge of all major religions, as in their history, mode of worship, main doctrines, past atrocities, etc.

In fact, I asked my child for this, and he told me one of his teachers is a priest. She does not teach him religious knowledge however. She is his English teacher. And no. They do not read the Bible in school, and you should have in fact seen the look on his face when I suggested they might.


No they are not. But I do not expect you to take my word for it.

One lament amongst the Nigerian parents in my mother's church and the CoE in general, is that children leave the church after they graduate from university. The parents can not seem to understand that while they are telling their children that God created everything in six days and rested, their teachers are teaching them the earth is almost 14 billion years old and has been evolving with nothing to do with any gods. And the schools arrange trips to the British Museum to go show them fossils of dinosaurs.

What kid, pray tell, will refuse what they see with their own eyes and choose to believe in fairy tales in a book?


You see the first part of your above? It actually irritates me when people say that, which they tend to do when AI disagrees with them, because they think the AI I present is some form of evidence, when I am presenting it as a pointer to research you should go and do. It after all does include links to reports and studies done on the topic, so why not bother researching them, or rather, asking and knocking and seeking for knowledge and data and information for oneself?

I've included some links to reports to assist you.


One of the links below is to a census report where it specifically says "A person’s religion is self-defined regardless of whether they practise their religion or not". Basically, they may have never been to church apart from for a wedding or a funeral but still identify as Christians. Most have definitely not read the Bible.

In fact, Kay, my experience has shown that even most Nigerian Christians have not read the bible! Though I must define my own 'read', which is start at page one and go page by page to the very end, as opposed to the random dipping done in churches.

Reading, on the whole, is just about dying, I'd say, because there's just far too much to distract from it these days.

On that note, I'll stop right here for now so I can leave you space to consume the links below.

And remember. The map below is Pentecostal churches that are attended mostly by we black African migrants.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/constituency-data-religion/

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/god-heaven-and-hell-and-life-after-death-data-reveals-uks-low-religious-belief-compared-with-other-nations

https://humanists.uk/2025/03/26/non-religious-outnumber-christians-in-uk-pew-study/

https://www.brin.ac.uk/

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2025/07/christians-a-minority-in-the-uk-newly-published-data-reveals
PoliticsRe: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 10:50am On Jan 02
It's good that you're repeated your point. And I will also repeat that I'm being nasty to those who deserve it - not Peter Obi - but his Obidients. 


Peter Obi has been quite professional in his pursuit even though sometimes, he has to wear the cap of a Politician when needed.


But the Obidients (Light weight papers), that can easily be blown by wind (Gossips) is my MAJOR CONCERN in this argument. 


Apapa, Abure, Labour Party and Peter Obi are concerns of the Labour party, not APC or any other party. What they do, is their own making and mistake - no one else's. 


I still repeat - if the Ruling party or other minority parties are jumping from pillar to post, i will not call them out because it's BUSINESS. 


If supporters of APC or other minority parties are making a noise, I will not call them out yet - but if supporters of Labour party are making a noise - i will call them out simply because - they make THE LOUDEST NOISE from an empty vessel. 




Mbanda:
The fact remains that, you are being "hypocritical" not nasty.

You saw the rubbish apapa (a yoruba man) was doing with the leadership of LP you didn't say anything because, you were blind and dumb when all the apapa nonsense were happening.

You saw and heard about many defections from Other political parties to APC you still remained quite waiting for Obi to defect. And immediately Obi did what other political leaders has been doing, you now remember its time for you to swing into action and you want us to see your actions as being " nasty"?
PoliticsRe: From Obidient To Disobidient? by kayjordan(op): 9:20pm On Jan 01
I have a fair understanding of the world at large including the UK. 


The AI evidence you've provided harmonizes my view and your view. It's true that churches are being converted to multi-purpose facilities across the UK and Europe.


It is also true that Nigerians are at the basic stage of understanding and the UK are at stage above intermediary understanding - given your Child-Man analogy. 


You are also correct that Nigerians prefer to believe and not seek knowledge.


The AI overview evidence you've provided - shows a summary of the religious level of the British people. The UK is multi racial - some people may have dropped the bible and some are still reading the Bible as I initially noted in my previous comment. 


Many blacks in the UK are part of the UK population and they were born into cultures that instilled bible reading and worship into their lives - they may not be active members in churches as cited in your evidence, but they probably do private bible readings at home or read devotionals. 


Schools in the UK are mantaining the Religious Knowledge in their curriculums to encourage the religious education. So students are encouraged to read the bible texts. 


Young people in the UK are seeking meaning of the world through bible readings. Some find solace and peace in spirituality for mental health reasons.


Multi-evidence brings sufficiency of facts. An AI overview is a good summary but not a detailed one. 


Diverse reports on religiosity in the UK will give you a full understanding of what's really happening.


From your local experience, you've probably witnessed low church attendance - but you haven't experienced what happens behind closed doors? - only reports can tell us that - or one-on-one conversations. 


Also note that, reading the bible and attending church are two separate activities. Church attendance for people is socially stimulating - therefore encouraging attendance regardless the numbers. For others - church attendance is socially draining due to their introverted nature - therefore encouraging low church attendance but encouraging online worship if necessary. 


Bibles are still sold in the UK in book stores and online stores including devotionals. 


So, bible reading in the UK is still active regardless if Europe is neglecting the culture. The fact remains - the bible reading culture exist 'voluntarily' or through 'enforcement' as cited in your evidence.


Therefore the bible reading culture is still significant.  




budaatum:
I doubt you know how little Brits read the Bible. It's so bad, even churches are being converted to homes and mosques. But there's really no point us blindly arguing since we can easily consider facts, which I include below for your consideration.

And I never said "isn't sufficient for mental development", though it or any book alone is clearly not sufficient for mental development, as Christ himself said.

Nigeria is currently at a stage that Paul would describe as "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child", while I would propose to you that UK is at the "When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me" stage.

It's why we Nigerians believe, instead of seaking to actually know. We are just not there in sufficient numbers yet, but will get there in due time.

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