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Its time to end this arguement by saying Wallahu a'lam. WALLAHU A'LAM (Allaah knows best).

zemaye:
Inna Lillahi wai inna ilaiyhi rajiun.
May Allah have mercy on him forgive him, purify his works and accept them.may Allah illuminate his abode and furnish him with provisions from jannah. Amin and my dad too!!!
So sorry

Aamiin

That Ruhaniyas are nothing but Muslim Jinns, no evidence was presented to back that theory (just a theory at this point). Infact evidence was brought from the Quraan to show that it was probably Ruhaniya that visited Maryam(as) in her seclusion since the entity was not mentioned to be an angel but instead Ruhanna (see the similarity with Ruhaniyya). The question is why are u 100 percent sure Ruhaniyyas are Muslim Jinns?

maclatunji:
My Allah grant him life if it will be beneficial for him and may he accept him as a righteous servant if his time has truly come. May he also strengthen you his family at this tough time.

Aamiin

lanrexlan:
Honestly, I think this discussion about Ruhaniyah should have stop because people decided to choose what they want and see whatsoever they want to see.
@Tbaba1234, I think it's not too good to term/label whatever you haven't read about in books nor experience nor heard about from your Ustadhs 'rubbish'.
Because you haven't read about Ruhaniyah in books nor from your Ustadhs doesn't mean they don't exist.To people that have experience them, they are real and exist.

@Empiree, I feel you dear brother.Trying your best to make Tbaba1234 see that Ruhaniyah exists.Well brother, life itself is a choice the brother has perceived them/stories like that to be 'rubbish' right from his childhood as he said.So there's little you can do, well that's his opinions and he doesn't expect everybody to buy them.
I think the brother has made up his mind not to believe Ruhaniyah exists because they aren't in books of Hadith and hence, to him they are rubbish.

My point is that sometimes experience plays an important role in lives of men.Here is an hadith that says tranquility descends on a man when reading the Qu'ran.

Narrated Al-Bara' bin 'Azib: A man recited Surat-al- Kahf (in his prayer) and in the house there was a (riding) animal which got frightened and started jumping. The man finished his prayer with Taslim, but behold! A mist or a cloud hovered over him. He informed the Prophet of that and the Prophet said, "O so-and-so! Recite, for this (mist or cloud) was a sign of peace descending for the recitation of Quran.[Sahih Al-Bukhari Book 56, Hadith Number 811]
This is a man that recited the Qu'ran and clouds hover over him.We today do recite Surah Al-Kafh almost every friday, how many of us have feels the tranquility that man feels? Just for once?

Was there any record that Prophet(Peace be upon him and his household) felt the same? Doesn't that mean the man is 'more spiritual' than Prophet(Peace be upon him and his household)? No, not in any manner.The Prophet(Peace be upon him and his household) is the pious of men, yet some things were experienced by his companions which he doesn't experience and doesn't in any manner means his companions supersede him.
Some actions were done by his companions which he never did and he wasn't against them same with some experiences.

Another example.
Narrated Jabir: I heard the Prophet saying, "The Throne (of Allah) shook at the death of Sad bin Muadh." Through another group of narrators, Jabir added, "I heard the Prophet : saying, 'The Throne of the Beneficent shook because of the death of Sad bin Muadh[Sahih Al-Bukhari Book 58, Hadith Number 147]


Has there not been the above hadith, if I had told Tbaba1234 that there was a great noble Sheik here in Ibadan that died and the earth shook when he was lowered into the grave(The story is true), he may not have believe me and his reasons may be that there was no records of such for the Prophet(Peace be upon him and his household).
His death doesn't brought about the shaking of earth nor there were records that notable companions deaths' shook the earth.
But does that mean Sa'ad Bin Mua'adh is greater than Muhammad(pbuh)? No, because the throne of Allah shook as claimed by that hadith doesn't mean he's greater.

In the same vein, because the Prophet(Peace be upon him and his household) doesn't experience Ruhaniyah doesn't mean they don't exist and AlBaqir gave a succinct reply to that.Because they aren't historical stories of Ruhaniyah doesn't mean they don't exist.

Brother Sino's story about his Ustadh shows pure Jinn at work, how can you be making du'a unclad? There are stories that if someone wants to pass his exams he should recite some acclaimed 'du'as' at certain time in the midnight nakedly.A brother I know of did so, he ran mad few days afterwards.

Brother Empiree's stories doesn't in any manner talk about making du'a unclad nor making du'a in toilet at a specific time, what he emphasizes on was reciting Surah Yasin and Adhkars in large quantities and not unclad before you can encounter these creatures known as Ruhaniyahs.These creatures are borne out of du'as as he said.

There are great Sheiks which their spiritual lives can't in any manner to compare to ours.

AlBaqir,I think I dare not to talk about some stories concerning the spiritual lives of great Sheiks in Yorubaland.I would be termed as 'extremist' or 'Ahlu Bidiah'.

Above, sums it all.

@tbaba. You see, it would even be unscientific to discard as lies or illusions, real observable happenings others have experienced just becos u've not experienced it. I am saying this becos you said u've always discountainanced such stories as rubbish since u were a teenager. By Allaah, i have also gone around, lately to ask alfas about these Ruhaniyyah and they affirmed what @Empiree has been saying. These are real life experiences. I was told every aayah of the holy Quraan, every adhkaar has a khaadim that is in charge of it. If you cling onto it tenaciously by oft chanting it, you will encounter the khaadim. I learnt of a man, who is still alive and in my town here. Do you believe this man, who literally eats istigfaar by saying ASTAGFIRULLAH countless times began to see glimpses of paradise. He has been forced to reduce the Istigfaar becos, in his words; due to extreme happiness on seeing paradise, he lacks appetite for days. He began to emanciate until he was forced to take it easy. He said Istigfaar would have killed me.
Similar thing i heard from someone who does a lot of solawaat on the Prophet (SAW). He said, in his words; at a point, you start having a feeling that u are in a congregation even though u are alone.
@Hkana. About the demands these Ruhaniyya make which is mostly that u do some form of charity, no one really knows why such demands are made. Just like the renowned Raaqi, Sheikh Ben Halimma (benhalimma.com, google it) said. Even when exorcising Jinns, a Jinn might request u to make some charity before it will leave. In such cases, i will say, if you are not told to make an Haraam charity, then there is no problem.

Empiree:
Yes, sir. Ofcourse i knew that all along. Just wanted to reaffirm from him. I wanted to tease him that some people insist they are Jinn. He rebuked. He said those people only learn "Islam o fe re fe". You know what that means, right?.

Sure. Sure. Pls whats ur homepage? Never knew you blog.

So Ruhaniyas are not jinns afterall. They are borne out of duas. In other words, they are formed from duas and dhikr. Jazaakallahu khairaa

ruuudboy:
We have always heard about husband abusing their wives. How is it always like, the other way round? I have never laid my hand on any lady before not to talk of my wife and i don't think i can do such.

As a husband how do you handle it if your wife lay her hand on you either by slapping,punching,biting or rough handling? As a wife, how did your husband handle the situation?

I have been married to my wife going to 4yrs now and yesterday was the second time we had misunderstanding that led to serious confrontation.....Initially when it all started around 9pm, i kept quiet and didnt respond to her ranting. When she realized i wasn't responding, she moved close to me, started punching me, bit me and somehow slapped me in the process with serious ranting "you'll kill me today."

I tried as much as not to retaliate and removed myself from her, ran to the visitors room and locked myself in there....she continued talking and started hitting the door with a stick, after which i realized that with the way things are going, neighbours on the next flat might want to come and asked what was wrong, which i do much detest.

I started begging her from inside after which she calmed down and i opened the door.....we talked it through till late in d night and settled our differences which she later apologised for raising her hand on me and promised never to do that again no matter what happened.

The issue now is, i put myself in another man's shoe that how do people handle things like this in marriage as a husband?

As a wife, how did your husband handle issues of misunderstanding? The first thing that came to my mind yesterday when she hit me was the word of my boss who always say, AT THE HIGHEST POINT OF PROVOCATION, ALWAYS EXERCISE CAUTION.

Married peeps, how do u handle this?

You are a very patient person. Kudos. I may not be able to withstand such brazeness from my wife. I would be firm but stop short of raising my hands on her. But i would let her know i wouldnt stand for such rascality. But going to the extent of locking yourself in a room to escape? Nah. Thats too weak.

Empiree:
That could be him (maclatunji) right above your comment grab him NOW!!!

I think so too.

AlBaqir:
Culturally, African prefer African dresses during wedding ceremony so the European style isn't that common. Religiously, Nigerian muslims might find it difficult to blend the European attires (esp. For Hijabi) with Islamic code of dressing. But things has change today. [size=28pt]Here's my humble-self and my sweetheart[/size].

lol. Nice couple. I already saw the pics on facebook.

@empiree, pls what about that sister? What is she up to now? You mentioned u saw her in another thread.

Also i think we've all said enough on this issue of Bidya. Enough for the discerning mind.

The point is Islaam is not as restrictive as some folks would want us believe. Imagine saying becos the Prophet and Sahabas didnt do a particular thing, then its bidya and haraam. Such a wrong notion. Its unfortunate many youths are easily carried away, due to youthful zest, by the erronoeus interpretation of Bidya.
I was having a discussion with a Salafi-leaning brother some months ago about the rosary (tesuba). He was saying the usual 'the propher did not do it bla bla bla' and it is bidya. I complained that I lose count easily and asked for a suitable alternative especially for the tesbih, tahmid and takbiir after solaat which has to be 33 no more no less. He said i have to keep repeating the whole ritual until i achieve accuracy, for every solaat. The question is why the stress when there is an aid that can be used if you need it.
The path of dhikr is a veritable means of seeking nearness to Allaah and upping your grade before him, that has been used by many of our predecessors. You cant compare me that hardly finds time to glorify Allaah, send blessings on the prophet and his family, recite the Quraan to someone who has a target he accomplishes everyday in these actions. Yes, i do all these in my Solaat but it is hardly enough.

AlBaqir:
Where exactly is this Ummah heading? This is nak.edness wedding in the mosque. Alas! In the presence of the "Scholars".

Saddening. Pure imitation of Christians. Some people sha.

The daeef classification of those Ahadiith only serves to discourage. But i dont think we should worry over it as it is definite one is going to be rewarded by reciting those Suuras. Plus those promised rewards are too mouth watering to ignore.

@empiree, i enjoy your stories a lot. I tell u, u can compile them into a book. Probably titled "personal encounters on the holy Qur'aan".

swtbby:
yesterday was a tough day for me.
got stuck in traffic on my way going back home there was a mosque near where we were stopped, the moment they started juma prayer i experienced excruciating pains on my chest as if a whole tone of weight was placed on my chest . it was so hard to breathe I just kept praying silently and hoping I won't go violent on ths beside me.

I hope u have a ta'widh on you, like the one bro albaqir recommended. If not, get one. Its absolutely important for your problem. Pls get one done for u today and tell us if any changes. I tell u, you might need nothing else to solve this problem aside from ta'widh.

It seems many people here have seen very little in life. You cannot jump into conclusion. I repeat, you cannot jump into conclusion. Do you know how he arrived at that assertion. For your information, parents especially mothers tend to seek total control of the lives of their male children. Except understanding ones among them. If the boy wont yield they go after him spiritually. Aim: to destroy his home.

swtbby:
wa'alikum alsalam.
alhamdillah .
I was told to buy musk and rubber it , in the market I saw white and red musks bought the red 1 but read somewhere that black musk is the most effective. the shop guy said its rare to get black musk

Glad to know u're okay. You should also inquire if there are other things that can be used in place of musk. Welcome back.

Davivah:
Barakallahu fihi Akhee

Aamin. Thanks a lot

Good build-up. I was also ascending the ladder some years back but i guess i got to the anti-climax stage. It became really difficult to keep jumping trousers and beards. Too many verbal and at a time physical opposition from friends and family. I had to seclude my self frm long term associates then becos i dont wanna be mocked. When it was becoming unbearable, i started to improvise. Now my dressing is more like those Iranian politicians. Moderate beards and normal trousers length. Thats easier to adopt.

Some Muslims be like, whenever they see a person preparing a potion; Oh, he is using Jinns.

aumeehn:
Am so sorry dear...i tink u got married to a jinn because i have a neighbour that have similar problem or lemme say same problem....and the people talking u should go to hospital are just wasting their time...fortunately she got married this year around February.....i dont even know what to tell u...because there was a mallam in my neighborhood who deals with this kind of issues...and by Allah's might de got cured...presently my sister is having same problem getting married to a jinn buh she is getting better since ve been seeing her with guys lately...Buh i will help you ask the malam about the medcines, potions and duas dat you should be using...buh is not easy...because i think u need someone who is not afraid to be reciting the Glorious Quran when you are unconscious i.e when the jinn is active in your body...am sorry bout your sickness....!

May Allaah reward you abundantly for your concern and assistance.

tbaba1234:
I hope the op is fine, have not heard from her. Please make du'a for her.

I was also wondering. I just pray and hope she's fine. Pls lets continue to remember her in our du'a.

tbaba1234:
It could be shaytan influenced nightmares. You seem to be quite certain.

Yes, it was a Jinn starting to get close. He was lucky he got a good prescription (kursiyy) early enough that worked.

lanrexlan:
My Story.

When I was still in my early teenage years,I usually had a dream of one giant guy trickling me without seeing his face and whenever I tried to stop him by getting hold of his hands,his hands slip away(feels slippery).I also had dreams of falling from high mountains and flying in the air(Weird huh?) and whenever I woke up,I feel my heart racing as ever and sweating too.
I don't really count it because I think I was 'too playful' then,maybe it's because of too much play.Then I told my mum afterwards and she told me to recite Ayatul Kurisiyu before sleeping and I did that.As usual,I dreamt of this guy trickling me again,then I got hold of his hands and this time it didn't slip away.I was able to see his face,he was a creature with one ugly face and something like saliva coming out of his mouth(stinks).
Then,I overpower him in my sleep since then no more weird dream.Think it's a Jinn huh?

Its definitely a Jinn.

Salamu alaykum, sis Swtby. Hope you are coping?

Are you continuing with the recommended Adhkaar?
Pls continue.

You see, I want you to seek some other practical solutions. Every creature has some poisons it shouldnt come in contact with, or else it dies. Likewise I believe, there are some very powerful poisons against Jinns, no matter how powerful they are. There should be something you rub your private part with that wont allow this Jinn to have fun with you again, or else it dies. Something you should be eating to make you a poison to it. Pls enquire. Mind you, this quest might take you beyond the scope of the so called Ahlu Sunnah Alfas. Yes, nobody can claim to have reached the boundary of knowledge. Meaning, you cant know everything.

Pls anybody that can assist this Sister in this regard should do so li wajhihi l kareem.

tbaba1234:
This is hadith 3893 and it does not specify a deer skin.

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sued to teach them the following words in the case of alarm: I seek refuge in Allah's perfect words from His anger, the evil of His servants, the evil suggestions of the devils and their presence. Abdullah ibn Amr used to teach them to those of his children who had reached puberty, and he wrote them down (on some material) and hung on the child who had not reached puberty.

Sunan Abi Dawud 3893

It is a dua that is hung on children who can not learn it (i.e babies) . There is nothing here that is to be hidden. This is practiced in many towns in Nigeria. I know it used to be practised in my village. An adult can certainly learn the du'a.

I do not think this is evidence for 'deer skin'. It is not.

You seem to have concluded that there are ulterior motives because you did not see it, somewhere. It could be a genuine error. Infact, that is what it mostly likely is. I also got this online.

The only evidence, i find for deer skin is from what looks like an unverifiable hadith, most likely a shia hadith credited to Ali (RA).

Maybe Kazlaw2000 has another reference.

At least you agree it can be written and hung. The only thing you arent comfortable with is the 'deer skin'. Okay that isnt much of a problem. But would you be kind enough to also type out that reference in Majmoo fataawa of ibn Taimiyyah. There Ibn Abass said that in case of discomfort during pregnancy, a particular aayah of the holy Qur'aan should be written and hung by the expectant mother till she delivers. After delivery, it should be removed and burnt.
The general principle regarding this issue is that it shouldnt be done unnecessarily (when there is no problem or affliction). That would be Shirk. But if there is a pre existing problem or affliction just like the case of the Jinn afflicted sister in the other thread, then doing it isnt Shirk. This is also the view of our mother Aishah (RATA). Pls check the ealier specified chapter in Kashfu ghumma for reference.

swtbby:
salam, something happened and i thought I should let you know.
OK I was sleeping and it came to have fun , tried to resist which just made it angry and it started to stab my tommy . the pain was unbearable , I was fully awake and alert but too weak to move a muscle . the more I recite the more stabbing I received ,was trying so hard to get off the bed but it was drifting me futher into its world then something unbelievable happened.
'something' (I can't explain what) started to recite to my ears, (like rukiya imams do) and the jinn began to loss its power, the stabbing stopped but it grabbed my arm with its claws , those were not fingers but sharp claws and I was trying to pull away and I could feel my flesh almost tearing.
finally I was able to open eyes got up and out the door didn't bother to look at what was next to me on bed

Its days of tyranny over you would soon be over bi rahmatillah

Okay @empiree. I understand u far more than u intended and i agree we should move on and leave that matter.

There are indications from ahadith that knowledge, wisdom, kharama (few) will continue after rosul passed away. However, such knowledge, wisdom or whatever it is, are not binding on anyone. One should only accept it when you truly understand. There are different levels of iman. That's my point.[/quote]

tbaba1234:
I don't understand

(smiles). It was actually directed at empiree. I felt he was getting apologetic when you guys confronted him. But I think his last post was a nice summary.