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Failed State. For how long? Tinubu should humbly resign if he can't tackle security and other national issues.

Kobojunkie:
There is not agreeing with the delusional jargon you have spewed so far. A lie cannot breed truth --- darkness cannot resolve to light ----, particularly where it concerns the Truth of God.

Satan himself will be afraid of your gross dishonesty. You are full of empty pride. And the end will be destruction.

Kobojunkie:
I see language comprehension seems a major part of your confusion as well.

The disciples of Jesus Christ could not give the Law of Moses as an instruction to any man because Jesus Christ warned them not to store New Wine in Old Wine Skin. Their refusal to teach others to follow the Law of Moses was in obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the one who instructed them not to put New Wine in Old Wine Skin. They agreed with the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and as such stayed clear of teaching people to follow the Law of Moses in Jesus Christ.

2. Please stop deceiving yourself thinking you deceive others. What continues to remain glaring even up until now is the fact that when it comes to the knowledge of God of Israel and His Son Jesus Christ, you are even more empty than many who don't even pretend to know Him. It is not too late to abandon all this false living of yours.

So, you have finally agreed with me that the church is not under the Law of Moses. We are not under obligation to keep the Law of Moses.

Kobojunkie:
Lol.. you seem to think that blindly quoting Scripture is the way to make yourself seem smart by a 1/2 but all this does is reveal even more the emptiness you make of knowing Jesus Christ and the God of Israel.

To those of us who failed to meet up with the standard that is God's Old Law of Moses, those who refused to obey the Old Law and obtain grace(Eternal Life) through obeisance to it only to end up condemned to die for our disobedience- Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 through the end, God gave another change at Grace(Eternal Life) and this time His Truth through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came to offer us, those convicted and damned by God another chance at redemption. He is the Eternal Life(grace) of God, the Truth of God, and the Way by which those who are penitent can seek redemption and hence journey back to the graces of the Father as His servants in His Kingdom of Priests.

That verse you quoted does not say that Grace(Eternal life) was never available to those of the Old. It was, only not given freely as it was offered to us through Jesus Christ. However, that free offering is only the beginning for us as Eternal Damnation awaits those who do not meet the requirements of the new Law after that.

2. The Law of Moses should not be exposed to the Gentiles. Are you for real? Jesus Christ said that those who follow Him are of New Wine and Old Wine and New Wine should not be mixed. You don't seem to even clearly grasp what the Apostles said to avoid doing in the book of Acts either.

Blindly quoting Scripture in ignorance does not automatically bestow on you wisdom and understanding. It does the opposite. It shines a light that reflects the ignorance you are filled with. It exposes the darkness that Jesus Christ warned is in those who do not know Him or of Him. Your many contradictory claims thus far have more than shown you are not even born-again. You never started at all the journey that is Jesus Christ. You have been trying to wing it with head knowledge thinking you can beat the understanding that comes only from the Father to those who are of Him. It hasn't worked. You have wasted your years on this. I suggest you abandon this charade and go live your life well before it is too late for you.

Acts 15:23-24
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The APOSTLES and ELDERS and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENTS.

It seems you are greater than the Apostles and Elders of the early Church put together who said that the law of Moses should not be imposed on the Gentiles. Read the entire Chapter 15 of the book of Acts.

Our farmers are wicked. Open the borders and let food items in for competition.

The grain that one billionaire will buy and resell. This country is a joke.

Dtruthspeaker:
See someone who thinks he is educated rolling from one off post to another, to another, like a falling stone, early onset madness.

The Apostles and Elders of the early church agreed that the Law of Moses should not be imposed on the Gentiles. Are you aware of this?

Kobojunkie:
These are all most doctrinal tales by moonlight— lies— that you were all fed by your equally ignorant religious overlords. Entwined in all these declarations are ideas that render your claim to believe in the same God of Israel and Jesus Christ written in Scripture as delusions rooted in Logical fallacies.

The Law of Moses was not a Spiritual Law. Rather, it was a Law that afforded the people who were able to keep it — attain holiness/perfection — the chance to have the Spirit of God live bestowed upon them. It was through the following of the very same Law of Moses, which you claim does not give Life and makes no man perfect, that men such as David, Elijah, Joshua, Samuel, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Obadiah, Nehemiah, Mary, Elizabeth, Zechariah, Anna, Joseph, Joseph of Arimathea, etc. were all able to attain holiness(perfection). These individuals among many others who lived under the Old Law of Moses even before the time of Jesus Christ went on to be approved righteous by the God of Israel and hence earned eternal life with which they sleep to this day in their graves in following with what God said in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 31 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20 & Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. Even Jesus Christ also submitted Himself to the same Old Law of Moses in other to fulfill it just as His mother, Mary, and father, Joseph, both of them Israelites, were mandated by God of Israel to do. And Jesus Christ did fulfill the Old Law as He said He came to do. He told you this in Matthew 5 vs 17 but you would rather not believe it but instead assert ideas that are different from that which He stated.

All the previous examples were able to accomplish exactly that which you rather believe was impossible to achieve through submission to the Old Law of Moses. And this is what Scripture documents for all to read and know. Not only does the very foundation of your religion conflict with Scripture, but it also seems you read from pages that are against the God of Israel Himself who established that Law for the purpose which you claim it could not be used. This, of course, is in addition to your being against Jesus Christ whom you continually accuse of lying.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Does this verse make sense to you? I know you will still want to argue.

I don't blame you. You are carnal and the carnal man cannot receive the things of God.

Even all the Apostles and Elders of the early church agreed that the Law of Moses should not be imposed on the Gentiles.

Daystar7:
I understand what you're trying to say but you have to consider a lot of factors involved too.
A woman that sells pure water will always want to make the most out of her business. She has dreams too, she wants nice things too just like the multi millionaire importer. So in the case where the goods she get at #300 before is now sold for #400 she 'll make adjustment too to meet up. She has needs and bills too. She 'll buy garri and she understands that whatever price she got it before won't be the same just like her pure water. Phcn has been increasing tarrifs for what reason exactly considering that there's been no improvement in power and somehow she still has to pay for it, Did you consider PHCN wicked too? The best that can be done to checkmate her is to get a competition that will sell same pure water for #30 to #40 a sachet then she knows she either bring her price down or go out of business. Her choice!

Importation of garri will provide competition for local producers and will always be less cheaper for obvious reasons. Look at rice for example. Imported rice is far better than our local rice but the price is almost the same cos of cost of production despite being of less quality and unhealthy. This is not the fault of the producers but the government.
I did foodstuffs business during my youth service in Katsina and I got to understand a lot of things about business in general. The government refusal to allow importation of food and at the same time failing to provide basic support and friendly environment for local production will make things hard for the citizens and that's what the government is doing.

You are right but the fact still remains that retailers are greedy. The example of a pure water seller is a good one. If the bag of water was increased from N300 say to N450, they will be justified in the new retail price.

I don't blame them, everybody wants to maximize profit. This is because we don't have price control in Nigeria. At the end we all suffer for it.

Daystar7:
Stop talking like an illiterate! Didn't you do Economics in school? You've never been around a business area or done business urself huh? Supply and Demand is averse to garri according to you now huh? Inflation is hitting everything, Naira keeps depreciating and you expect garri price not to appreciate huh? So when and if the farmers sell it to you below what they should, they'll go on to get fuel, light, cars, clothes, food, health care, school fees at a cheaper rate cos they sold their garri at a cheaper rate innit? Pls learn. I hate seeing trash like this esp from youths.

I know what you are saying but they took it too far.

Let me explain how wicked we are. I will use the example of pure water. The wholesale price of a bag of pure water was N300 per bag and it was retailed for 4 sachet at N100. Just because the price went up to N350 per bag, some retailers started selling one sachet for N50. Is this not wickedness.

I understand the principle of demand and supply. But we are just too wicked in Nigeria.

I bet you, if western countries decide to process Garri and sell to us, we will buy it at cheaper price than the locally processed Garri.

Kobojunkie:
This from a person who basically cast Jesus Christ as nothing but a liar yet at the same time desperate to persuade others that he in fact believes in the same Jesus Christ? You think yourself smart but obviously not smart enough to spot how you destroy the person of Jesus Christ with every claim you have made here thus far. That level of disconnect dem no fit but am for market at all.

2. The religious delusions you have so far filled this thread with more than ensures anyone out there able to reason that your kind of delusion should definitely not be spread to others.

3. The many contradictory claims you have made regardless the content of Scripture is more than enough to establish you and whatever cult you belong to as being on par with that of the JWs you seek to deride by that statement.

Below are some of the reasons why the Law of Moses was abolished with scripture evidences. I know you will still not believe.

1. The Law Brought a Curse on the Jews.

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse (spelt out in Deut. 28:15-68), for it is written cursed be every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of in the book of the law to do them” (Gal. 3:10).

Under the Law of Moses, the Jews got blessed by keeping the law (Deut. 28:1-14) and got cursed for breaking the law (Deut. 28:15-68). History reveals that they couldn't keep the laws and consequently came under the curse.

Their inability to keep the laws was because of their carnal nature (Rom. 7:14). It takes a spiritual man to keep a spiritual law.

2. The Law Brought Wrath on the Jews.

“Because the law worketh wrath, for where no law is, there is no transgression” (Rom. 4:15).

A typical example as mentioned above is recorded in Num. 11:1, where the fire of the Lord was kindled against the Jews when they murmured and complained against Moses. Many of the Jews died. In another instance recorded in Num. 21:5-6, fiery serpents were sent to bite the people when they spoke against God and Moses. In contrast, they were not punished when they committed similar offence under Abrahamic covenant. (Ex. 16:2 & 17:3).

There was no mercy under the Law of Moses; sin attracted death penalty under the law. (Heb. 10:28). Stubbornness under the law also attracted death penalty (Deut. 21:18-21). Also if a lady was loses her virginity before marriage and the husband found out, she was stoned to death (Deut. 22:13-21). A young man who gathered sticks on the Sabbath day was not exempted from death penalty (Num. 15:32-36).

“He that despised Moses law died without mercy under two or three witnesses” (Heb. 10:28). “And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death” (Rom. 7:14).

When David numbered Israel against God’s will, 70,000 Jews died within a short space of time. (2 Sam. 24). This is why Paul calls the Law, ministry of condemnation and death. (2 Cor. 3:7-9)

3. The Law Made Nothing Perfect.

“For the law made nothing perfect but the bringing in of a better hope did by which we draw nigh unto God” (Heb. 7:19).

If the law made nothing perfect for the Jews and it won't do any better for the church.

4. The Law Made No One Perfect.

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect (as pertaining to the conscience)” (Heb. 10:1).

See also Heb. 9:9. What Paul is saying here is that the Old Covenant sacrifices couldn't remove the guilt of sin. So trying to obey the laws will never take away the guilt of sin. Only faith in the blood of Jesus will remove the guilt of sin.

“For if the blood of bulls and goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins” (Heb. 9:13-14, 10:4).

5. The Law Could Not Give Life.

“Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid, for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness would have been by the law. For what the law could not do (produce life), in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. And the commandment which was ordained to life I found to be unto death. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof” (Gal. 3:21, Rom. 8:3, 7:10, Heb. 7:18).

Kobojunkie:
1. No such evidence exists in Scripture. It all seems to exist oniy in your mind though.

2. What I am quoting is about the prophecies regarding Israel? The Law and prophecies are not the same? Scripture was written by people who were all of the blood of Jacob aka Israel and these all people who lived under the Law and prophets and so spoke of what they knew. But here you continue to assert ideas completely different from the message recorded by the writers, why? Do you have your own scripture or something?

You are so empty and you make so much noise. Please, I don't have time for an unbeliever like you. You don't have a teachable spirit. Even if I quote the references, you will still not believe. You are not different from the JW organization. Maybe you are even one of them.

callthefred:
So looting is now revolution? Let the army handle those looters you'll know there's nothing of such.

The armies themselves are more hungry except their ogas at the top. They know what to do.

So, the government have warehouses were they store food?

We Nigerians are also wicked to ourselves.

Why are locally produced food items so expensive? There was no draught.

For instance, Garri price has doubled in the past three months? Why? There are no bandits in the south. We would have blamed it in insecurity.

Local government chairmen all over Nigeria should please talk to the farmers. They just can't keep increasing the prices of food items. A marginal increase is permissible. Not increase like 100% in two months. This is wickedness.

Kobojunkie:
1. Oh! I notice the words in capitals, words that indicate you have absolutely no clue what Jesus Christ said as you continue to spin tales in your head to venerate the one you value over Jesus Christ.
The Law hasn't be done. It has yet to be fulfilled. God has yet to gather back to His Israel His scattered Israel as He indicated He would in the Law of Moses. God has yet to resurrect and reward His Israel with the Land He promised them. God has yet to Rebuild and rule the world via His Israel... I could go on and on and on regarding the parts of the Law that have yet to be fulfilled. But I doubt people like you care about these things but they are details contained in the Book of the Law that you care absolutely nothing for since God is not your focus.

I truly cannot begin to understand the reason why you folks spin these ridiculous tales filled with logical fallacies around yourselves. What benefit do you gain from these tales you spin around yourselves? Certainly, from where I sit they have only served as evidence that your mind is uselessly tangled up in religious lies. What you gain from these lies... I can't begin to understand at all.

But there are overwhelming evidences in the scripture to prove that the Law has ended or it's fulfilled.

What you are quoting in is about the prophecies concerning Israel. The Law and Prophecies are not the same.

Kobojunkie:
An eternal Law abolished? WOW.... you are just a river manufacturing contradictions for free, aren't you?

2. The same Jesus Christ who swore that not a jot of the Law will disappear even if Heaven and Earth do, but here you want us to believe Jesus Christ lied, and it is the same lying Jesus Christ that your savior Paul redeemed with his new claims? Na wa ooo!

Jesus never lied. He said that not a single jot will pass from the Law UNTIL IT IS FULFILLED.

Notice the phrase in capital letters.

But the Law has been fulfilled and set aside for grace. The word fulfil means to bring to a justified end or to meet it's requirements.

To clearly understand the meaning of the word fulfil in this context, let's use the example of a student who is about to graduate from the University. He is supposed to write a project in partial fulfillment of his requirements for graduation. When he submits the project work he has met the requirements and free to graduate.

In the same sense, Jesus came to meet the requirements of the Law which demanded that the soul that sin must die. And it is the blood that makes atonement for sin. Jesus died and paid the price for our sins. He met the requirements of the Law of Moses. And through the new life he gives us, we can now fulfil the righteous requirements of the Law which was not possible under the Old Testament.

So, the Law has been fulfilled and brought to a justified end. We are now under grace. So, no one is required to keep the Law of Moses anymore. Those who attempt to do it are the ones committing sins and placing a curse on themselves.

Kobojunkie:
That advice suits you better since you here claim you worship a God whose teachings and commandments you pay absolutely no heed to. Imagine you asking me where the contradictions are when you have been dishing them one after the other ever since this conversation began. Every assertion you made here regarding the person of Paul violates both the Old Law which according to you still existed in place since Jesus Christ never finished His mission, according to you, while at the same time violating that spoken by Jesus Christ Himself. Logical Fallacies upon logical fallacies ! You don't even seem to care much for God as central to your believe is Paul the Messiah to Jesus Christ. Yet you think I am the one who needs to see a shrink? Sheesh!

The Law of Moses has been abolished because it was not profitable for the Jews. Rather, it brought a curse on them.

Jesus brought in grace, laid the foundation for the New Testament church. The Apostles built on the foundation through their letters. Why is it difficult for you to understand this simple truth?

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet another shifting of post. Now its "enforce". Arent people also rying to prevent adultery, stealing killing from being committed?

If The Law was abolished would your neighbour not have a right to sleep with your wife and steal your property and kill you, exactly as The abolishment of tinted permit which now people are freely driving with tinted glasses?

Ken4lies and delusions, having unending argument will not change the fact that you are heading into hellfire.

You are a product of the falling standard of education in Nigeria. You lack the ability to understand simple truth.

The Law of Moses is very strict. Violation brings instant judgement. A man who was caught gathering sticks on a Sabbath day was stoned to death at the command of God - Numbers 15:32-36.

How many of such judgement are we experiencing today? None. So, it affirms the fact that we are no longer under the Law of Moses.

The fact that we are not under Moses Law doesn't mean that we don't have scriptures to guide our daily living. The teachings of our Lord Jesus and the instructions given to us through the letters of the Apostles are enough to guide our daily living. And violation does not bring instant judgement. Rather, God has made provisions for us to receive forgiveness each time we fall into sin. This was not the case under the Law of Moses.

Kobojunkie:
1. It is against the declaration of God to Add, Remove, or even change any of His commandments and teachings — God's Law. You set Paul up as someone who did all that and more, and here you ask me how any of that is against God?

2. What moral law? God never gave men moral laws.

3. And no, my parents don't give me "godly" counsel because it is impossible for parents to do any such, particularly since Jesus Christ.

Please, visit a psychiatrist.

Kobojunkie:
How can you be aware of it when you earlier suggested that Paul added his ideas to the words of Jesus Christ, a claim that directly contradicts God of Israel and Jesus Christ?

Which ideas? How many times did he do it? Are the ideas against the word of God or violates the moral requirements of the scriptures? Don't your parents give you godly counsels? Please point the ideas out and let's see if they contradict the scriptures?

Kobojunkie:
Many of the ideas expressed in his letters were of his opinion, his digest of the law, and nothing of Jesus Christ. Paul said this himself.

2. Jesus Christ promised to give an understanding of the kind that aligned with His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 16 - 26 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 1 - 16. Many of Paul's supposed claims do not align at all with the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.

3. A wise King never sends His servant on an errand with a message different from that which He has established by way of His proclamation. The King that you claim by way of your special interpretations sent Paul out does not sound at all like a wise king.

Please point out the messages of Paul that contradicts the teachings of Jesus. I am not aware of any. His message was consistent with the teachings of my Lord Jesus.

Dtruthspeaker:
Even in the face of your clear words where you said "just tell me one of the laws that is currently being enforced?" which you now changed and shifted to "Cite an example of anyone who was stoned to death"

Ooh oh so you are a blare faced Liar, like some atheists! So now your hidden evils are coming out and that is you need to delude yourself just like atheists do to let you sleep at night. Hellfire is still going to burn you with your eyes open after it has burnt your delusions.

Maybe you should go back to school and study English language afresh. What do you understand by the word enforce? It is implied by that word.

A law that is given to be obeyed is not a law unless it is enforced. People are committing adultery on a daily basis. If the Law of Moses is enforced, people who commit adultery will be stoned to death on a daily basis. But it is not happening. This is the proof positive that we are not under the Law of Moses.

Kobojunkie:
You don't compare Jesus Christ to Moses but earlier you asserted that because Moses failed therefore Jesus Christ too had to fail and had to be saved many years later by Paul. Wow... the ones wey do una these things, you never begin talk at all.

2. So Jesus Christ was not human enough and the over 120 disciples Jesus Christ Himself already prepared were not fully human either. It had to be Paul to save His skin because Paul wrote letters all of which contained mostly ideas from the Old Law of Moses and nothing much of the New Law.

3. Present-day church, you mean the church ruled and full of those Jesus Christ referred to as dogs? They are to be blamed on Paul? Yikes.... you lot wish to take that man, Paul, down with these accusations of yours.

Paul's letters were not his ideas. He was just a servant of Christ. Jesus gave him the revelations. What is wrong about that? Don't Kings send servants on errands?

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are disgracefully shifting post? You said "just tell me one of the laws that is currently being enforced?" and now i have answered you with 5 you have now shifted to stoning as if stoning is the only Law.

As i said, you have heard all these before and as you could not answer then, you still cannot answer even now, so you are left with your mad fantasy.

I didn't shift post. You just failed the exam. I will consider you for a resit.

Dtruthspeaker:
i mentioned 3. Adultery, stealing, murder. And now i add prostitution, marrying of the girl you bleeped.

You didn't answer my question. Cite an example of anyone who was stoned to death for adultery according to the Law of Moses.

Kobojunkie:
1. Scripture almost gives the reason why Moses, and the older Israelites, roamed the desert for 40 years — a trip that should not have taken more than a couple of months, mind you —to have to do with God's Word that promised that all those among them who were over 20 at the time they left Egypt would not enter the promised Land. However, you seem to think that twist that to assert instead that the reason why Moses did not make it into the Land of Canaan had to do with a failure in the plan of God to get Moses into the Land. So, because Moses was 120 at the time, He was too old for God to take him to Canaan? WOW....

2. So, because Jesus Christ spent only 3.5 years, He did not have enough time to complete what Moses did. The Son of God status of Jesus Christ meant absolutely nothing. Jesus Christ was not given enough time by God. And so Jesus Christ needed the help of Paul who showed up years after his death to help him complete the work. The whole being a Son of God did not come with benefits above humans for Jesus Christ, did it?

3. This is a whole different Jesus Christ you have manufactured for yourself apart from the one written in Scripture. Might as well throw out the Gospels entirely cause it almost seems that your sect/denomination is about to fork off an entirely bizarre addition to both scripture and the already over 47,000 sects/denominations of the religion of Christianity, each with their version/idol of Jesus Christ that equally comes nowhere close to the one proclaimed in Scripture.

4. Moses alone did not give all the prophecies. Interesting! So no point in rebasing back to the Old Law where we find the first mentions of the coming of the fact that God would destroy and scatter the people of Israel for their disobedience of Him, and usher in a New Kingdom by way of a New agreement — all events which took place over 1900 years ago — that that which He would then gather back His scattered people from all ends of the earth Himself?

It's an insult to compare Jesus and Moses. How dare you. Are you out of your mind?

God always uses a human vessel to accomplish his purpose.

Jesus couldn't have taught the things he revealed to Paul because the present day church of the Gentiles was not yet born. It was still a mystery. Please, let this simple truth sink into your brain.

And all that Paul wrote was revealed by Jesus to him through his Spirit.

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Dtruthspeaker:
And i have told you before thst you are making a fatal error as proving by your changing of post.and i.told you.that if we are not under Law then you have a right to commit adultery, steal, kill etc. And when you Bleep a girl do.yo not run away knowing that you may find yourself marrying her? Amd that is why Christianity counsels fleeing from fornication.and staying chaste and undefiled until marriage.

As i said, we hava had all these before and this is how you kept changing post and changing post. But as i have warned you before, dont be like Satan for the blood of all the people you kiilled shall be on your head. I'm done.

If we are under the Law of Moses, just tell me one of the laws that is currently being enforced? I mean punishment that goes with violation. If you can't, please keep quiet on this subject and learn.

Kobojunkie:
So your brand of Christianity through the magic of special interpretations has it that:

● Jesus Christ was nothing like Moses at all: . Moses was able to completely hand over all of God's Law to the people He was sent to. But Jesus Christ could not cut it as a Law-giver at all since, even though He announced on the cross that It was finished, Jesus Christ didn't complete the mission at all.
● Jesus Christ needed the help of the particular man called Paul to add the bits and pieces that He, Jesus Christ missed out on His Law and Kingdom: Even though 50 days after His death, it was noted in the Book of Acts that about 120 disciples were baptized on the day of Pentecost, and Paul alluded to there being about 500 disciples who saw Jesus Christ on the day He ascended, without the musings of the mind of the man named Paul who came many years after, Jesus Christ's movement would have been dead and buried.
● Jesus Christ is the King in the Kingdom of God and Paul is His co-ruler: Given that this belief of yours speaks of Paul who made nearly no actual mentions of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ in all of his letters, a position of new equal authority to Jesus Christ in the setting up and running of what is His, Jesus Christ's church, clearly Jesus Christ has Paul to thank for correcting His mistakes. Paul must occupy some sort of seat as co-ruler for those of you who hold these ideas regarding him.

So, following your special cocktail there, Jesus Christ lied and the God of Israel messed up big time since at the end of the day, Jesus Christ could not achieve any of what He was prophesied by the prophets to accomplish all on His own. To you all, Jesus Christ was a Failure and Paul was His Messiah. Did I miss anything else?

God is a team player right from creation.

The Moses you are referring to died at the age of 120 years. He spent 40 years in Ministry. Even at that, he still couldn't take them into the promise Land.

Jesus spent only three and a half years in Ministry.

There was an aspect of his Ministry that was yet to be unveiled; the inclusion of the Gentiles.

God needs man to fulfil his will on earth.

When Jesus said it is finished, he is referring to his atoning sacrifice.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in God using a human vessel to get his message across to us.

He also used Prophets in the Old testament. Moses alone didn't give all the prophecies.

Landing cost? What about the flying cost?

Anyone who wants to build a house should please leave a little space for planting. I think it makes sense.

Kobojunkie:
These claims which are based on assumptions of yours — your special interpretations on steroids —do not answer any of the actual questions I asked so what exactly am I to do with this?

So, God of Isreal who bellowed down from Heaven on at least two occasions calling on people to Obey His Son, Jesus Christ, did not get it right, according to you? It was rather thanks to your claims regarding the person of Paul majorly that the New Testament church that belonged to Jesus Christ was able to get up and running, right? The Prophet and Teacher, the Good Shepherd, Jesus Christ, who was sent by the God of Israel was not capable of doing it alone. Paul had to come to the aide for it all to come together. WOW...

All the other 120 or more disciples there on the day of Pentecost— just 50 days after the death of Jesus Christ — were all useless in disseminating the very teachings of Jesus Christ which Jesus Christ Himself must have given to them as well. Right?

Without Paul's letters — he was probably not even among the first 1000 of the disciples of Jesus Christ seeing as he came on the scene many years later — the New Testament church would not have known what to do? Una never talk who do una this thing.

Our Lord Jesus couldn't teach all that we needed to know because the disciples wouldn't have had the capacity to receive them.

He told them;

John 16:12-13
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Besides, the revelation that the Gentiles will be a part of the church was yet to be known. It was a secret that God kept until the resurrection of Jesus.

This is why most part of Paul's letters were focused on explaining how God included us in his plan of salvation. This was not revealed to his disciples before he died. It was even the rejection of Christ by the Jews that gave us the opportunity to be included.

Hence Paul wrote;

Colossians 1:26-27
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

He also said;

Ephesians 3:3-6.
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Notice in verse 3, Paul said that Christ made known unto him by revelation the things he wrote.

Kobojunkie:
He was? The very same Paul whose letters contain less than 0.1% of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ was ahead of Jesus Christ and the revelations of God's Truth that Jesus Christ had?

I can imagine Paul rolling in his grave and maybe wishing he had never sent out any letters. He probably wished he had burned all copies instead because the filth spewed in his name by the people of this foreign religion that is far from Jesus Christ must be had to stomach. Paul, like all others, is in his grave awaiting the return of Jesus Christ and eventual judgment but look at men worshipping him like he was some god.

Every of Paul's writings were revelations from Jesus Christ himself. Jesus laid the foundation. The Apostles built on it. Without the writings of Apostle Paul and the other Apostles, there will not be the New Testament church. There would not have been instructions for us to live by. And no one is comparing Paul to Jesus. He wrote what his master Jesus revealed to him. Paul's writings were not his personal opinions.

We also have own share of blame. Why is locally produced food like Garri twice as expensive as it was two months ago? Is there draught in Nigeria?.

We are just wicked to ourselves.