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Janosky:
"As deep as hell" , that simile should rather be "as deep as the earth/grave."
Oga, don't get it twisted.

Psalms 71:20

"Though you have made me see troubles, many and bitter, you will restore my life again; from the depths of the earth you will again bring me up"


Oga Pastorpreneur, what is "the depth of the earth" @ Psalm 71:20? & the depth of Sheol Proverbs 9:18?

6 feet into the earth is depth, because it's deep.

This Pastorpreneur nah confirmed dullard of the holy scriptures.

You sure read English in school. Even the scripture didn't use the ocean depth some of which are thousands of feet deep as reference for depth. Then its a 6ft grave he will use.

A weed smoker has more sense than you.

Janosky:
Keys (of death and Hades) in the Bible is a symbol of Authority & Power over death and Hades, the grave. Revelation 1:18.

Your Bible speaks of keys of David, keys of the kingdom, keys of death, "keys of Hades", not keys of hell.

The Greek word in the holy scriptures is Hades, meaning the grave.
Oga note the difference.
Hades is in the holy scriptures.

The word "Hell" was imported and inserted into the holy scriptures by your Trinitarian mentors translating the holy scriptures from Greek into English.
Go and confirm this FACT from your Bible lexicon.

What will Jesus do with authority over physical grave? Do physical graves pose any threat to him?

Why not look for a better lie to tell.

Janosky:
Psalms 18:5
New International Version
The cords of the grave coiled around me; the snares of death confronted me.

New Living Translation
The grave wrapped its ropes around me; death laid a trap in my path.

English Standard Version
the cords of Sheol entangled me; the snares of death confronted me"

Psalms 18:5 confirmed that Pastorpreneur is DECEIVING gullible folks.


This Pastorpreneur has forgotten that he told Nairaland that the spirit of man dies.

When the spirits of man dies, according to this Pastorpreneur, will the same dead spirit feel pains?

Ozuo !!

Do physical graves have cords. Is it an animate object to perform a task? You very post has testified against you.

Those translations were done in error. They actually mean real hell that burns with fire.

The party without a structure is now a threat to the ruling party and age long PDP. May their fear happen to them.

Don't be intimidated. Go with your phone. Do video recording, take pictures. If they stop you, do audio recording.

This evil structure in Nigeria politics must be destroyed. There is no way any nation will move forward if threats like this are allowed to prevail.

Janosky:
Psalm 30:3 & Psalm 9:17 ,King James Version.
Screenshot PROVEN evidences, Hell is Grave,Grave is Sheol.

Pastorpreneur teaching satanic gospel.


TUEH !!!

If hell is grave, please answer these questions;

1. The scripture says that people will be cast into hell. Do they throw people into graves in your village?

2. Jesus talked about the gates of hell. Do the graves in your village have gates?

3. The scripture uses hell as a reference for depth. And not even the ocean bed. The scripture says, 'as deep as hell', Are the graves in your village so deep that it can be used as a reference for depth?

4. Jesus said that he now has the keys of hell. Do the graves in your village have kills.

5. The Bible talks about the sorrows of hell. Do lifeless bodies in the grave have sorrows.

6. The scripture talks about the pains of hell. Do the body in the graves feel pains.

I could go on and on.

Please, answer each question one after the other. Don't digress.

Do permit a white man to make rubbish of your sense of reasoning.

MaxInDHouse:
How can you keep lying publicly like this without shame?

You said your God preached to you itself but in the scriptures Jesus commanded his disciples to go and preach to their neighbors which only JWs are known globally for yet you say they are working for Satan! Matthew 10:25

Jehovah Witness are not preaching the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They are preaching another gospel. So, the wrong preachers came to you. And now, you are entangled in their false doctrines.

But it's not too late to come out from amongst them and save your soul.

jaephoenix:
Wtf?
Didn't you read my post?
1. I said he may have been using the flood as a test
2. I thought u said there's no more rainbow? Now that I showed you rainbows are still there, you now turn around to tell me, its Yahweh's idea. Like seriously?

I never said that there is no more rainbows. I said it is hardly seen like it was many years back. And that points to the fact that we are at the very end of this age. And God's covenant with Noah is about to expire.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy it's obvious your stupidity is of the highest grade but let me burst your bubble of lies so it will be clear to you.

I was preached to just as Jesus commanded his disciples to go and preach {Matthew 10:11-13} Paul confirmed that it's by hearing this preaching that faith comes! Romans 10:17

So if you're not a liar then you shouldn't say a word to me since your Jesus came to you without any preacher let the same happen in my case because if you're the one talking to me now it means your story was made up so let that Jesus speak to me too after all it's the Jesus that approached you by itself not any preacher as the Bible says.

The wrong people came to you with the gospel. And you have been brainwashed by the wrong gospel.

The gospel they brought is not the wrong gospel of our Lord Jesus.

It was a wrong gospel designed to lure people away from the truth of God's word and prepare them for the very hell they deny its existence.

May the torture of Russell and Rutherford increase in hell.

But you can escape hell by embracing the right gospel.

Go to my profile and go through the thread I explained why hell cannot be the common grave.

Save yourself and many you have deceived from that horrible place called hell.

jaephoenix:
1. I can infer that Yahweh is test driving his killer floods on Brazil, and then later use it on ALL FLESH.
2. Bros, why are you theists this ignorant? Rainbows are common phenomena. Its an arch of colours visible in the sky, caused by the refraction and dispersion of the sun's light by rain or other water droplets in the atmosphere. So if light meets these requirements, rainbows can be formed. In fact, in some locations on Earth, you can easily see rainbows
https://www.yourweather.co.uk/news/science/where-is-the-best-place-in-the-world-for-rainbows-hawaii.html#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20new%20paper,the%20best%20rainbows%20on%20Earth.&text=Hawaii%27s%20mountains%20are%20another%20factor,forms%20clouds%20and%20produces%20rainfall.

He promised not to use it on all flesh.

But from time to time, he reveals his wrath because of the gross immoral act of man.

And it can through flood, earthquake, volcanic eruption etc.

Of course, there is a scientific explanation to the phenomenon of rainbow but it was God's idea..God is the chief scientist.

MightySparrow:
There's contradiction in your analysis.
If he died, he would not pray! You must see the whole thing as a miracle of God. He was fully aware of being swallowed and his stay in the fish and when he was vomited.

The issue of death is not so clear to us as humans. There are different beliefs about it.

I have read books and watched documentaries on this topic.

I conclude that no unambiguous explaination is giving about it.
But if you want to stay on the authority of the Bible? I stay with what Jesus personally said about death.
He is the creator, the resurrection and the life, the judge at the end of all things.
So, what do believe.
1. He talked about Abraham blossom. I believe that there is a sort of live after death. Or maybe our definition of death in incorrect.
2. A certain seal was opened in Revelations of Jesus,
Martyrs were seen to be asking God to avenge them of the people of the earth. If they were not conscious, they wouldn't pray.

3. Jesus talked about the dead hearing Him.

Apart from these all other references are not unambiguous.

Jonah died. It was his soul that prayed.

Death is not a cessation of existence. The only fact about physical death is that you cannot make contact with the physical world. To make contact with the physical world, you need a physical body.

Remember, man was already in existence before the physical body was formed.

He was created in Genesis 1:26-28.

But his physical body was later formed.

Thursday, March 16th.

Winning Spiritual Warfare With Special Seed Offerings - 2.

"Then he took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering upon the wall. And there was great indignation against Israel: and they departed from him, and returned to their own land." (2nd Kings 3:27).

After the death of King Ahab of Israel, the King of Moab rebelled against Israel. He used to pay tribute to the King of Israel which included 100,000 male lambs and the wool of 100,000 rams - 2nd Kings 3:4.

So, in anger, the King of Israel asked the King of Judah to join forces with him to fight against the King of Moab. He agreed. The King of Edom also joined forces with the King of Israel in the fight.

When the fight started, the three kings were having the upper hand in the fight such that the armies of the Moabites were thoroughly defeated. He tried to breakthrough to the King of Edom with his reserved 700 trained soldiers but he could not.

So, the King of Moab decided to offer his first son who should have reigned after him as burnt sacrifice upon the wall. And the scripture said; "...And there was great indignation against Israel: and they departed from him, and returned to their own land." (2nd Kings 3:27).

The battle the King of Moab couldn't win with the strength of his army was won through unusual offering. However, you are not supposed to use your children as offering. This example was used to illustrate the power in unusual sacrifices. And this explains the reason why the wicked devices of evil men sometimes prevail against the children of God. They offer unusual sacrifices at their evil altars while God's children offer very little or nothing at the altar of God.

Don't play light on the power of offerings. If you are facing a battle that appears to be too strong for you, take a worthy offering to the altar of God and cry to him for help. God will use that seed to fight your battles for you and you will certainly come out victorious.

Prayer: Dear Father, I thank you for keeping the night watch for me. I thank you for the comfort of your word and your Spirit in my trying moments. As I offer the best of my special offerings to you, I declare that every scheme of darkness against my life will be brought to nought in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study: Ecclesiastes 7:12, 2nd Samuel 24:24-25.

Ah average Nigeria blogger is lazy. He should have stated the heights of both of them. Let's learn to give details in our news.

imagrg:
In spite of the order given by CBN on POS charges, the Road Side POS Terminal operators still take 30% or more as charges for cash withdrawals.

The CBN should as a matter of urgency approach this matter sternly by making cash available at commercial banks and also asking the staff of these banks desist from owning POS terminals for cash-in, cash-out transactions.

The masses are being exploited by these POS operators who take advantage of the present cash crunch to inflict untold hardship on the common man.

This evil practice must stop!

The staffs in the banks are accomplice. They sell to the POS agents at 20% instead of putting the money in ATM machines.

The CBN should publish the amount sent to each banks and audit how the money is dispensed. Any manager who hoards the cash to sell should be arrested and dismissed. Then, these nonesense will stop.

MaxInDHouse:
Keep displaying your stupidity and deceitfulness!

Jesus sent his disciples out to go and preach from house to house! Matthew 10:11-13

He commanded them to teach whoever listens to their message! Matthew 28:20

Paul confirmed that it's impossible to believe without preachers! Romans 10:14

So how come yours totally contradicts this fine setting yet you want people to believe what you're saying?

It depends on the gospel the preacher preached.

Even in the days of the early church, there were those who preached wrong gospel. And Apostle Paul cursed anyone who does that;

Galatians 1:8-9.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

And the gospel is about the Lord Jesus. It's about the good news of how he died and rose again from the dead.

On account of this, the free gift of salvation is available to all who believe it and confess Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

This is the simple message of the gospel.

So, do you believe Jesus died for you?

Do you believe that God raised him up from the dead?

But you do not believe the second one. So, you are not yet saved.

Repent or you perish.

jaephoenix:
Well, the problem with the bible is its not a concise book. You can make any kind of inference or extrapolation, and you'd still be 'right'. A bible passage can be interpreted in different ways, and give rise to frictions and antagonism. You can commit murder and get the bible to back you up squarely.
This rainbow thing is an example. All the Christians I know infer Yahweh wouldn't destroy the world with flood, but yours is different

There are many who read the Bible but only very few studies it.

Read below what the Bible said;

Genesis 9:15
And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood TO DESTROY ALL FLESH.

The verse above said there will not be flood to destroy ALL FLESH.

It never said there will not be flood to destroy flesh. The keyword is ALL FLESH.

And it is even based on the condition that the rainbow appear. When last did you see a rainbow?

Kyase:
actually only IpOb is on the list of top 10

Even America have KKK among top 100 list, so chill

Put on your eye glass and tell me the terrorist group occupying no 7 position.

MaxInDHouse:
Says you but according to God's word Jesus sent his disciples to PREACH and TEACH in their neighbourhood {Matthew 10:11-13} that's how i got in contact with Jesus of Nazareth through HEARING what his disciples have to say {Romans 10:17} afterwards i began asking them questions and they taught me! Matthew 28:20

It was after i've been convinced that what i'm learning is the truth {John 8:32} that i decided to dedicate my life to God through the things i've heard in connection to Jesus of Nazareth and i accepted him as my preferred Master, Lord and King! Romans 10:14

So if you never passed through this stage ọmọ i doubt that Jesus that followed the back door o! 2Corinthians 11:14

Learning about Jesus doesn't make you a disciple of Jesus. You have to believe in him. You have to confess him as Lord. And this is what the scripture says.

TradingGod:
Great read

Thank you.

jaephoenix:
How is this tripe a respond to his post or OP's?

He said God said he will never destroy man with flood. And my response is that his assertion was not correct.

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I could go on and on. Death is not a cessation of existence. It is just a transition to the other side of the world which is even more real. Where you end up depends on the decision you make with the gospel of our Lord Jesus and the life you lived.

Why then does some other scripture especially in the Old Testament make contrary statement about the afterlife. Let’s look at a few of such scriptures;

“For the living know that they shall die: BUT THE DEAD KNOW NOT ANY THING, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5).

This statement was the opinion of the writer as it didn’t come from God. The writer was not a prophet. So, it can’t be used as an authority on this subject most especially when Jesus, the truth has come.

The same goes with other scripture like Psalms 146:3-4, Ecclesiastes 3:19-20. These verses are opinions of the writers and not statements of facts.

What about the verse where God himself told Adam;

“In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for DUST THOU ART, and UNTO DUST SHALT THOU RETURN.” (Genesis 3:19).

This is a pronouncement of physical death for Adam mankind. Adam was in existence before his body was formed;

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE AND FEMALE CREATED HE THEM. (Genesis 1:26-27).

As at the time Adam was created, his body was not yet formed. So, he could not function on earth until his body was formed. And this was done in Genesis 2:7. So, the dust God was talking about is the body and not his sprit.

The afterlife is real. The dead are conscious. This is why those who commit suicide are unwise. They are ignorant of the afterlife. They thought they have ended their lives not knowing that they just began life in reality which most will regret if they end up in hell.

Make a quality choice today to accept Jesus into your life as your Lord and Saviour. And ensure you live by his word and do his works. “For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:14).

“He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:7-cool.

12. When the beast and the false prophet were defeated by our Lord Jesus at his coming as recorded in the book of Revelation, they were thrown into the Lake of fire alive – Revelation 19:20.

The fire didn’t burn them out of existence. After 1,000 years of Jesus reign on earth, Satan was also thrown into the same Lake of fire. And the scripture acknowledged that beast and the false prophet are still there after 1,000 years of Jesus reign on earth;

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (Revelation 20:10).

10. Some of the saints that passed through the great tribulation as revealed in the book of revelation were also seen in heaven before the final judgment day – Revelation 7:13-15. They didn’t wait till the final judgment day before they arose to consciousness.

11. Our Lord Jesus described the torment of those that will be thrown into hell or Lake of fire thus;

“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” (Matthew 8:12).

It’s only someone who is conscious that can weep and gnash his teeth. This also attest to the fact that the dead are conscious.

8. The writer of Hebrews made mention of the spirit of just men made perfect in heaven as part of the general assembly of God’s people in heaven and on earth – Hebrews 12:23.

9. The book of Revelation talks about the souls of those who were slain crying for vengeance – Revelation 6:9-10. How could they cry if after death, they know nothing?

6. The scripture talks about the soul of our Lord Jesus not been left in hell – Acts 2:27. It also talks about him going to preach to spirits in prison – 1st Peter 3:18-19. How could he have done that if he was not conscious?

Even Paul said that Jesus first descended into the lowest part of the earth before he ascended – Ephesians 4:9. His lifeless body in the tomb couldn’t have done that. He went there with his soul which was conscious after his death.

7. Apostle Paul wrote to the Philippian church about the decision to leave the body and be with the Lord or to spend a little more time with them – Philippians 1:23-24. How could he be with the Lord if the dead are not conscious?

All the activities listed above as narrated by Jonah couldn’t have taken place in the fish belly.

The cry he cried in hell manifested in the physical when he was still in the belly of the fish just before the fish vomited him out. Hence, verse 1 says that he cried from the belly of the fish. This is common sense. It is just the way someone who shouted in the dream could also shout audibly before he wakes up.

5. The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

Perhaps, this is one of the strongest evidence that the dead are conscious. This narration was given by our Lord Jesus and recorded in Luke 16:19-31. It wasn’t a parable. In parable, actual names are never mentioned. But in this story, names were mentioned; Abraham, Lazarus and Moses. I believe our Lord Jesus knew who the rich man was but decided not to mention his name. This is the word of knowledge in operation where one knows things supernaturally even when you were not there. It was with this same gift of the word of knowledge that our Lord Jesus told the woman of Samaria that she had five husbands and the man living with her presently was not her husband.

The story revealed that the rich man went to hell after his death. His soul was in torment. His memory was intact such that he even recognized Lazarus. He also remembered he had five brothers on earth who he never wished they experience the torment he was going through.

He even made a request that Abraham should permit someone to rise from the dead and go and warn his brothers. Well, Abraham responded;

“And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.” (Luke 16:31).

Abraham has been vindicated because even today, quite a lot of sceptics still don’t believe hell exist after so many have been there and came back to life by the mercy of God.

Even if it was a parable as claimed by a religious sect, the moral lesson would still be the same. You don’t use what cannot happen in real life situations as parables. Parables are actually stories narrated in generic terms about situations that could happen in real life. Moral lessons are usually drawn from parables.

This is an excerpt from my book, The Total Man;

about the resurrection of the dead regarding marital issue, he said;

“But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? GOD IS NOT THE GOD OF THE DEAD, BUT OF THE LIVING.” (Matthew 22:31-32).

It means that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob even though physically death are still living in the realm of the spirit.

4. When Jonah died, he narrated his experience. He certainly couldn’t be alive in the fish belly for more than a few minutes talk more of three days. You will understand it better if you have been under water before or almost got drowned. So, Jonah died but his soul went to hell. So, he was able to narrate what happened to him briefly for the three days proving that the dead are conscious. Read narration below;

Jonah 2:1-6
1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; OUT OF THE BELLY OF HELL CRIED I, and thou heardest my voice.
3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
5 The waters compassed me about, EVEN TO THE SOUL: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
6 I WENT DOWN TO THE BOTTOMS OF THE MOUNTAINS; the EARTH WITH HER BARS WAS ABOUT ME FOR EVER: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

I could go on and on. Death is not a cessation of existence. It is just a transition to the other side of the world which is even more real. Where you end up depends on the decision you make with the gospel of our Lord Jesus and the life you lived.

Why then does some other scripture especially in the Old Testament make contrary statement about the afterlife. Let’s look at a few of such scriptures;

“For the living know that they shall die: BUT THE DEAD KNOW NOT ANY THING, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5).

This statement was the opinion of the writer as it didn’t come from God. The writer was not a prophet. So, it can’t be used as an authority on this subject most especially when Jesus, the truth has come.

The same goes with other scripture like Psalms 146:3-4, Ecclesiastes 3:19-20. These verses are opinions of the writers and not statements of facts.

What about the verse where God himself told Adam;

“In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for DUST THOU ART, and UNTO DUST SHALT THOU RETURN.” (Genesis 3:19).

This is a pronouncement of physical death for Adam mankind. Adam was in existence before his body was formed;

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE AND FEMALE CREATED HE THEM. (Genesis 1:26-27).

As at the time Adam was created, his body was not yet formed. So, he could not function on earth until his body was formed. And this was done in Genesis 2:7. So, the dust God was talking about is the body and not his sprit.

The afterlife is real. The dead are conscious. This is why those who commit suicide are unwise. They are ignorant of the afterlife. They thought they have ended their lives not knowing that they just began life in reality which most will regret if they end up in hell.

Make a quality choice today to accept Jesus into your life as your Lord and Saviour. And ensure you live by his word and do his works. “For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:14).

“He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:7-.

12. When the beast and the false prophet were defeated by our Lord Jesus at his coming as recorded in the book of Revelation, they were thrown into the Lake of fire alive – Revelation 19:20.

The fire didn’t burn them out of existence. After 1,000 years of Jesus reign on earth, Satan was also thrown into the same Lake of fire. And the scripture acknowledged that beast and the false prophet are still there after 1,000 years of Jesus reign on earth;

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (Revelation 20:10).

10. Some of the saints that passed through the great tribulation as revealed in the book of revelation were also seen in heaven before the final judgment day – Revelation 7:13-15. They didn’t wait till the final judgment day before they arose to consciousness.

11. Our Lord Jesus described the torment of those that will be thrown into hell or Lake of fire thus;

“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” (Matthew 8:12).

It’s only someone who is conscious that can weep and gnash his teeth. This also attest to the fact that the dead are conscious.

8. The writer of Hebrews made mention of the spirit of just men made perfect in heaven as part of the general assembly of God’s people in heaven and on earth – Hebrews 12:23.

9. The book of Revelation talks about the souls of those who were slain crying for vengeance – Revelation 6:9-10. How could they cry if after death, they know nothing?