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TLona1:
Educating? Lmao.

So you also think Maradona exploits at Napoli is greater than Messi's in Barca??

Your coach Lampard said "I watched Maradona while growing up but for me, Messi is the greatest ever"

All I can tell you is I enjoy a good discuss and spillo has given detailed explanation twice on his opinion which I haven't seen from any of the Barca fans here. All I see are insults nothing tangible.

spillo1:
What Maradona did with Napoli Trumps anything Messi had done with Barcelona and that's the fact. Nobody is saying he took 10woods to win trophies but the team was average and filled with few exciting players. Let me add context.

Serie A at that time was dominant by the north in Juventus, AC Milan and Internazionale. Teams from South of the Italian Peninsula had ever won the Scudetto.

The first season of Maradona at Naples wasn´t disappointing from his side. Maradona had 14 goals, but Maradona didn´t like the coach because the team wasn´t built around him, which ended with Ferlaino firing Rino Marchesi (coach at the time). The replacement had to be approved by Maradona. Maradona was demanding the team to be built around him, which Ottavio  want to do and was appointed. The only interesting players Napoli had were Ciro Ferrera, Bruscolotti and an older Bertoni. Ciro Ferrera was the biggest name talent-wise on the Napoli team.
Bianchi played a 4-1-2-1-2 formation without wingers in the midfield. This formation was to make it as easiest as possible to pass the ball to Maradona. The second season of Maradona was much better with a new coach and new structure. Napoli ended 3rd this season. Napoli were already seen as one of the favourites going Into the 3rd season to win the league with a maradonna fresh from leading Argentina to the world cup. Napoli was an average team without Diego Maradona and that´s just a fact in 1986-87. Overall there were better teams than Napoli in the league. Inter, Juventus,Roma,AC Milan and even Verona had better teams. For the next 4 seasons before he was banned he led Napoli to 2 league titles, Two 2nd place finishes, Copa italia and Cup winners cup. What has Messi done at Barca that trumps that? Taking an average side to dominate not once but in 4/5 seasons against better teams and filled with better players.

I see you have been busy here spillo educating People.

We are the third best team in the big six and it’s not even close, and I can’t stress how much I didn’t think that would even be a possibility at the start of the season.We have conceded 16 goals so far. We have a long way to go. Today really sums up our positives and negatives.

drisham:
pulisicccc
kimbeast hope you are seeing out boy??

EVIL BURNLEY tried to RUIN day of a GOD FEARING young AMERICAN CHRISTIAN.

Guys I don’t want to overreact but Reece James is better than prime Cafu.

SkimpleD:
Kimbeast, Na you get thread today

Lol How are you enjoying the Pulisic Masterclass?

LordAzubuike:
My boy has done it again.

Stop it. Pulisic is mine and mine only. Captain freaking America.

obainojazz:
Pep is currently spending as he wants, dude has the costliest team in history.. but can't make CL Semifinal

In truth I think Fergie did spend money to an extent. The likes of Hughes, Pallister, Keane & Cole were seen as massive transfer outlays at the time. If memory serves Pallister was the British record paid for a defender . Keane was the record for a midfielder and Cole broke the transfer record by nearly 30%.

spillo1:
Using point tally is flawed. They were not competeting against each other. Even at that
In 2012-13 season we had 77 points in 30 games before getting complacent and that was with players like Cleverley, Welbeck, past it Rio, Vidic, Evra in the side. One thing you have got to realize is that when Jose came and took the Premier league by storm, Fergie waited patiently and developed a team that eventually upended them. There is nothing to suggest that Fergie wouldn't have been able to do the same now to take on Pep. There was never a challenge that he didn't rise to
This isn't the first time the scope of the premier league has changed. By the was his United team of 2007/2008 is the best in this premier league era.

Mourinho Chelsea of 04/06 is undoubtedly the best of this premier league Era.

raumdeuter:
Liverpool just pray they win the league this season or max next cos the wheels might come off soon

Its hard to maintain that momentum season after season

Liverpool will definitely win the league during Klopp tenure atleast once but after that his collapse will be worst than that of Dortmund.

spillo1:
Exactly. Carbon copy of Klopp last season at Dortmund,they were flirting around the relegation zone in December. The cycle is over for Poch at Spurs. He needs new challenge and Spurs players need new tactical ideas. Time for everyone to move on.

Same fate will happen to his Liverpool side when this curent team runs it's course. It will crash and crumble like it did in Germany.

DExponential:
Emerson is better defensively and he puts in better crosses but Alonso is way better than him offensively. With Tomori covering Alonso, we're enjoying that offensive aspect of him.

When Emerson returns,Alonso should kindly go back to the bench. We don't need stress.

spillo1:
One Wikipedia analyst here... LMFAO. Ignorant posters.

Here is Mourinho on De Lima just few days ago.


"However, if we are talking strictly about talent and skill, nobody surpasses Ronaldo [Nazario].
"When he was at Barcelona with Bobby Robson, I realized that he was the best player I'd ever seen take to the field.

"Injuries killed a career that could have been even more incredible, but the talent that that 19-year-old boy had was something incredible.

You know matured men by their opinion.

People tend to overstate Ronaldinho abilities because of his uniquely exaggerated futsal-inspired style with tricks and flicks (which often made him look sexier on the ball than others who could do the same in a much more efficient way) and happy-go-lucky nature. Anybody that says he is more talented than fat ronaldo is either clueless or just being mischievous.

spillo1:
LMFAO.....I stopped taking you serious when you said Ronaldinho was more talented than De Lima. It already showed you level of ignorance.

Who said that

spillo1:
Lol prime Maradonna and de Lima will piss all over this era.


The Serie A of the 80's and 90's was like watching teeth being pulled unless you were being treated to a proper, top class attacker or forward because the defenses were so good, tactical and cynical, that nothing but the top brass could get any change out of them.

Batistusta, Baggio, Del Piero and so forth had it really hard and it was a genuine acheivement for a lone player to outfox such a collection of mean, hard-nosed defenders who played every game like their life depended on it. Ask kimbeast or any person who watched Seria a then.

That's why when Ronaldo went there and ripped the piss out of the league it caused an absolute uproar. Before he got there all the defenders and football experts were saying he'd not be the same player in Italy as he was in Spain because he wouldn't be allowed to play in the same manner. They were right. He was even better in Italy than he was in Spain because he became a playmaker and link man as well as the goal-scorer, whilst in Spain, it was all about giving Ronaldo the ball and watching him run to goal and convert. Do you research on why Maradonna is called a demi god in Naples.



The likes of Van Basten and Gullit were booted and kicked so frequently in Serie A that it forced early retirement for Van basten who retired 29 and caused Gullit to have countless time out with one injury or another. It was a mean, hard-nosed league. Doing the business there carried more merit than any other league.


The late 80's and 90's Serie A may have had the biggest concentration of imported, world-class talent a league has ever seen. It was the place to be if you wanted to make your mark and sides in Spain and England had to do a lot more AND beat at least a couple of Italian teams to be taken seriously.
When United beat Juventus of the mid 90's, who were seen as the best side in the world, it catapulted us to a completely new level of world renown and global recognition as a footballing force. It announced us as big time player again.

If the likes of Shearer and Bergkamp had done what they did in Italy rather than England at that time they'd be held in much higher regard now than just good players.


Ronaldo going there and shaking that league to the core was like something out of a science fiction flick. Maradonna at Napoli also. Before and after Maradonna Napoli are shitts. If you think these O.G's won't rip apart this silly era I nothing to say to you.

You didn't even reference the " The butcher of Bilbao" incident.

@Roland17 Thoughts on pioli appointment.

Eruditor:
You are worse than Smalltihex and he is the poster child for pseudo-intellectualism.

The team did not get to SFs but won 4 UCLs after him. Success.

The team got to 3 finals before Pep. Then stopped smelling SFs after he went. Failure.

Does your head not pain you from all the pus in your brain?

This ain't it chief. Madrid winning 4 ucl after Mourinho left does not help your argument. The conditions in which both came into both teams is light years apart.

spillo1:
LMFAO Bayern who raped and demolished Barca on their way to winning the treble was not the best team in Europe. I just keep reading dumb things here all day.

That game was the master class of Schweinsteiger and Martinez. They made Barca midfield and attack toothless and devoid of ideas. Never seen the xavi, iniesta and busquets midfield dominated like that.

spillo1:
Why are you blinded by bias. Bayern were undoubtedly the best team in Europe. They demolished and raped Barca. I was even more impressed on how they nullified Juventus home and away.


I called them “German Machines“. That season was played with absolute desire amd hunger. They wanted to win it all and had all neccesary tools to do so. What you are saying about that team is fallacy.


They were excellent and efficient in every aspect of their game. Could play any kind of game whether it was possession-based, counter-attacking, low block, high press, narrow or wide.

They turned the allianz arena into a slaughter house both locally and continentally that season.
If ever there was one example of when anger drove a team, that bayern would be it.

Pep ruined that generation.

In seriousness, that team underacheived tremendously by winning only one Champions league from 2011 till now, should've won atleast 2-3. I don't think Pep's coaching style suited them.

Eruditor:
They were the greatest duo in the world.

The best midfielders winning everything in sight.

The kind of revisionist nonsense I read here daily because Pep is involved.

Xavi and iniesta were always destined for greatness given their technical level and perception of space and ability to always make the right decisions. Guardiola was the catalyst that helped them reach a level that was close to their absolute best - a bit like Sacchi for a lot of the great players at Milan in the late '80s and early '90s. Xavi and Iniesta's ability was always there, but Guardiola added an extra dimension to their career in terms of crystallizing their ability by crafting perfect and complementary roles for both of them.

spillo1:
You just exposed yourself as a typical Wikipedia analysis. You just googled the euros,saw that they drew Italy and came here to spew absolute fallacy. The went through out the knock out stage conceding 0 goal and went all though unbeaten. Only someone who didn't watch euros 08 will say Spain wasn't dominate. The two tournament Spain dominated are both Euros8 & 12.

The bolded is absolute ridiculous and exposes you more as a Wikipedia expert. You spew rubbish with confidence . Where did you get those rubbish from? Barca didn't win at bernabeu for straight seven seasons until Ronaldinho came and in his first season Barca won with him providing an assist to xavi. In his 2nd match at bernabeu he completely destroyed Madrid Singlehandedly. It was Ronaldinho/Rijkaard era that ushered in Barca dominace and tip the scale of El classico not any Pep. Go and sit down

Marcos Senna was the heartbeat of that Euro 2008 team . Xavi was pretty great, not as great as Senna even though he won player of the tournament. Senna was the engine and centre of all passing plays.
Iniesta was just a passenger till the semi Final

Swissh:
Remember ranieri is the one who got Chelsea into the champions league which persuaded abramhovic to buy you guys if not you guys will still be finished mid table lol and one could argue that Mourinho won the premier league with the squad Ranieri built. You are selling ranieri short.

Yes Ranieri was good at Chelsea, Leicester and his first stint at Valencia only.

raumdeuter:
Benitez handed over a Valencia that won La Liga and UEFA cup. Ranieri bought his guys from Italy DiVaio, Corradi dem and turned the team to rubbish

When Obafemi Martins and Inter Milan catch dem for CL na floggging like thief

Ranieri first stint at Valencia he was disgracing them Madrid and Barca on a regular. His 2nd stint was a disaster. Ranieri killed them the second time around with the wave of underwhelming Italian signings plus the demise of Vicente, Baraja, Mista also played a part. Valencia was the biggest rival for real madrid in the peak of galactico era. When Benitez was an OG. El Clasico had its poisonous atmosphere, especially due to the Figo transfer and all , but Valencia was the big dog.

spillo1:
is it not ranieri that relegated Athletico Madrid?

Yes. They went into administration. Damn, just looked at that squad - Hasselbaink, Valeron, Baraja, Solari, Capdevila. Looks like a solid amount of talent, probably should've been midtable at least.

spillo1:
Lol ranieri has turned to the big Sam of Europe LMFAO.

The Man has journeyed a lot.


Italy: Roma (twice), Inter Milan, Juventus, Parma, Fiorentina, Napoli, Cagliari

England: Fulham, Leicester City, Chelsea

France: Nantes, Monaco

Spain: Valencia (twice), Atletico Madrid

When you need to stabilize a club he is first choice.
He has been awful in most his jobs. The Leicester City run was the biggest fluke in football history.

Roland17:
The plug was going to be pulled if we lost to Genoa but Reina saved Giampaolo that day. L. Spalletti is the number one choice but he would have to figure out his settlement issue with Inter before he can sign with anyone. Spalletti is a very experienced Serie A coach especially with top Serie A sides but, to be honest, he is not my preference because I have watched his sides. His sides did not score much but they were very good defensively and compact in the middle. If you consider our current roster, I don't think he can be worse than Giampaolo. Hopefully, he can stabilize our defense and provide some balance to our midfield. @Chic2pimp, remember I told you I would rather we let Giampaolo go especially if there are no assurances he will remain with us after this season. I am not a fan of R. Garcia, he was not impressive at Marseille and his sides leaked ton of goals. Ranieri would be too conservative for me, the same as Pioli. The club is looking to stabilize and steady the ship with this hire, nothing long term. I would be shocked if anyone is offered more than 2 years.

They may meet half way on his severance payment. Inter agrees to give him a severance for the rest of the year(7 months left) and forgoes the 2nd year. Win win for all parties.


The performances of Milan in the first 7 games is horrific . No attacking plan and certain players like Piatek or Calabria severely under-perform under Giampaolo.
Milan are last in shots on goal in all of Serie A after seven games, and have the second worst attack with only three goals from open play.

Spalletti is a good coach when it comes to grinding out results, but it won't be pretty, prepare your nerves lol. But he also got Champions League football with both Roma and Inter four times in a row and even finished second with the former on 87 points. Considering Milan need to get Champions League football, it would be a very good appointment.

@Roland17 & chic2pimp have you seen reports that Milan have decided to sack Giampaolo. The first choice name for his replacement is Spalletti. The other alternatives are Garcia, Pioli and Ranieri. I knew Giampaolo won't last the full season. Spalletti is More than capable.

Kimbeast:
Giampaolo won't last the full season You have regressed in every aspect so far compared to last season. 1 goal in open play in 5 games tells you all you need to know. Gattuso did an amazing job with the team he had last year. The team didnt look great but it worked. Instead with giampaolo Milan seems lost. Was replacing gattuso really a wise decision.

Adiwana:
Tough to call Tbh.Pirlo got better as he aged.His Juve career may not be colourful as his AC Milan, but he was really impactful and is one of the senior players that put Juve back at the pinnacle of European football

Modric should be out.Started seeing game time when Alonso left,had a couple of good seasons and now he deserves team of the decade?? Dude was once considered the worst ever signing.

Just found out the post is actually la liga team of the decade.

Adiwana:
why not?? Pirlo arguably played his best football at Juventus and is one of the reason Juve are where they are today.Was at the heart and soul of Italy reaching Euro final in 2012 and was individually a beast

Nope I disagree. Pirlo best was at AC. Milan no debate about that. I give you Euro2012 he was splendid but the problem of adding pirlo Is that it widens the net of players to be added. If you add the groups of pirlo then iniesta and Modric are out.

Adiwana:
Modric?? People forgot how he was a flop and he only had 1 great season.Oblak?? He has been decent and even Navas deserves a nod ahead of him.Neuer nko?? Dude was in running for World best player. Griezmann?? He has been consistent but has not been exceptional. Dude moved from Real Sociedad to Madrid and now all of a sudden he's a top player of the decade??smh Ribery, Robben,Muller,Busquet,Pirlo and so many even Neymar have been a beast this decade

You can't add pirlo into this decade.

thorrvik55:
Leading everyone is different from not giving anyone else a sniff at the league title.

B4 Conte, winning the league was not 100% certain for Juve. Juve had 27 titles b4 Conte turned the Italian league to Juveleague by setting the foundation for total domestic dominance.
because of those foundations he set, Juve are on course to win 10 straight Scudettos..

Conte did a good job at Juventus but the decline of both Milan clubs is what made juve monopolize the league.

raumdeuter:
Conte beaten at home by Juventus

Horrible week for Conte. Reality-check in both the Champions league and Serie A. Yeah they lost but I think they come out of this showing they have much improved from last season and with a bit of luck they could have won yesterday.