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shadeyinka:
If the cup contains the grain of sand, then it is not empty

If the grain of sand punches through the bottom of the cup, then it is empty.

Expand your mind a bit:
The cup is not empty. The cup contains air, fields, virtual particles etc therefore it’s impossible for it to be empty.

shadeyinka:
Anyone who doesnt know the answer to the highlighted question is either a big fat liar or a slowpoke.
Empty Cup here means not containing even a grain of sand

What if I shoot a grain of sand into an empty cup made of paper?

shadeyinka:
Since God isn't made of matter, He isn't a "something"!
Has any Christian described God as a thing?

God is a Spirit: a spirit is not a THING

God is a Spirit: a spirit is not a THING

God is a Spirit: a spirit is noTHING

God is a noTHING: a spirit is noTHING

shadeyinka:
A stupidly evasive answer!
First, who are the we?
Could it be that these "we" are unreservedly ignorant?

Can an empty cup be also filled with sand?
Stupid Answer: We don't know!

Can an empty cup be also filled with sand?
Smart Answer: We don't know!

Before we can answer yes or no, we have to find out the material the cup is made of, the condition of the sand, and the mechanism that would be used to fill the cup.

We can imagine scenarios where a cup can or can not be filled with sand depending on the aforementioned factors.

IMAliyu:
In Greek myth that would be chaos from which Nyx (goddess of night) and Erebus (darkness) emerged. The uncaused causes. Which gave birth to the other primordials.

If we go further back, the Egyptians had ideas about the sun “impregnating the earth with life” as the beginning of life on earth i.e. abiogenesis that started at the equator because it’s the closest part of the earth to the sun. So life arose because of energy from the sun and wet conditions on earth.

Furthermore, they had story of a god impregnating a mortal woman before Yahweh ever had the idea of screwing Mariam.

shadeyinka:
So also with God, there are two original postulations
1. God the Creator Exist
2. God the Creator does NOT Exist
Hence, there must exist two ways to prove the postulates
1. Prove that God the Creator Exist
2. Prove that God the Creator NOT Exist

Its so simple!

Everything that exists is an instantiation of an eternal idea. An Eternal Idea is the perfect or ideal form of any object, naturally fashioned or secondarily fashioned by man. This means there is an ideal apple, ideal human, ideal bed, ideal bird, ideal house, ideal star, ideal atom etc that exist in the eternal plane and anything in this material plane participates in or imitates an eternal idea.

The Essence of Existence fashioned all ideas including the ideal god of which Osiris, yhwh, Orumnmila, etc, are all participants.

So also with the Essence, there are two original postulations
1. The Essence of Existence exists
2. The Essence of Existence does NOT Exist

Hence, there must exist two ways to prove the postulates
1. Prove that the Essence of Existence exists (the proof is in the name and everything you see and can’t see)
2. Prove that the Essence of Existence does NOT exist.

Its so simple!

phemmyfour:
Ode!
What about believers in western Europe

They started separating superstition from reason in the 17th century and they’ve progressed relative to other societies. When your religion held sway in Europe, they was strife, disease, ignorance, extortion, torture, and bloodshed all over Western Europe. They call that period the “dark ages”.

Ironically, some of them spread the Christian disease to Nigeria and I think it’s fair to say that Nigeria is stuck in the dark ages as Christianity and its Arab mongrel cousin hold sway.

Pelecius:
Smiles

What's criminal acts in an ATHEISTIC WORLDVIEW? In a world of BLIND PITILESS INDIFFERENCE?

Lol. It is strange that you get a kick out of the phrase “blind pitiless indifference” and find it “atheistic”.

The world has a “blind pitiless indifference” regardless of atheistic or theistic world view and it doesn’t have anything to do with morality or criminality. COVID—19 is part of the pitiless indifference of the world and so are things like Tsunamis. COVID does not recognize atheism or theism, if you’re not careful, you might contract it and die. A tsunami will crash into shore, cause damages, and kill people regardless if the people on shore are atheists or theists. That’s the blind pitiless indifference of the world. Your prayers and your god do not matter.
The sun doesn’t shine to give you light or give you skin cancer, it’s just an event that happens to sustain life. At least, that what it seems.

There’s a video circulating of a priest muttering that old mumbo jumbo called prayer in a church when an earthquake struck. Your god did not stop the earthquake from damaging the church nor did he stop the debris from smashing into the priest’s head. Sounds like a case of theistic pitiless indifference…….better yet impotence borne of nonexistence. No, earthquakes happen because of the movement of the earth’s crust and the earth’s crust is pitilessly indifferent about the priest, his prayers, his church, and his god.

wirinet:
Also look into the implications of saying "Christianity permits incestuous rape", in relation to lots daughters getting their father drunk, raped him and got pregnant for him, all without his consent.

While at it, look into the implications of the bible supporting scam/419/yahoo yahoo, in relation to Jacob scamming their father Israel to steal Esau's birthright. Maybe that's where Hushpuppi got the inspiration to use deceit to steal millions of dollars from people.

The rampart misogyny starts when Eve is cloned out of Adam’s rib. An asinine idea when you know that human life is impossible without the nurtured in a womb.

The value of a woman is determined by her virginity. When Big Mo and the Israelites when on their genocidal rampage under the direction of “god”, the only survivors where the virgins. Christians will abuse Boko Haram for kidnapping teenage girls while ignoring that Boko Haram takes after their god’s heart. Virginity is so valued that even their god f#cked a virgin……..or maybe he sent his spirit………either way the virgin got pregnant.

And any Christian woman here needs to shut the f#ck up. Shout out to Timmy 2:12

What is an atheist?

The Greeks called unbelievers atheists.
Most Romans called Christians atheists.
The Christians call unbelievers atheists.

It seems everyone is an atheist.

To escape the theist/atheist conundrum, realize that is god/God/dog/Dog is nonsense and whatever else the (a)theist…..feels.

You can move on to inspecting what’s behind the curtain once you realize the Wizard of Oz is a just man. What’s behind the contain is much more interesting.

That is what The Lord told me, which I proclaim to the citizens of Nairaland.

OtemAtum:
Atum is not God Almighty and he doesn't see all things also. Atum told me all the thummims and they were all right. All the urims were guessworks by myself and see were wrong while some were right. It's only the Summation of consciousness(God) that knows all things. Atum, Jehovah, Allah, myself Otem, Olorun, Chukwu etc are just microscopic part of it and we can't know 1 part of a gazillion of happenings in the multiverse. Unfortunately, God Almighty doesn't interact with a single entity within itself in such a way that such entity will know all.

The Lord says, “Those who know the essence, speak not. Those who speak only give false light to their own ignorance. The benighted speak of “God Almighty”. They utter utter nonsense: “Atum”, “Jehovah”, “Myself Otem”. The grain of sand seeks to teach about the beach”

OtemAtum:
Urims are guessworks, thummims are Revelations that must surely come to pass when seen. Do you get it?

The Lord says, “ The oracle reveals what man needs to hear and the Urim is satisfied. Thummim reveals man’s destiny, but, nay, Providence decides. Moses testifies”

The light of awareness brings the universe into manifestation. Therefore, the evolution of consciousness takes quantum leaps.

Sri Harold Klemp
Touching the Face of God

The mind is the womb of the symbolic representation of brightness. Manifestation is the birth of desire germinated by the seed of memory.

Sri Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

Orderliness drives righteous timelessness from the Saguna Lok to Soul.
.--Harold Klemp

Perceptual reality is the foundation of the expansion of experiences.
.--Harold Klemp

Everything created is mechanics of potentiality. Then the Spirit directs.
.--Harold Klemp

OtemAtum:
Orun is actually a mountain upon where Olorun descended when he and other gods like him came down to the earth to explore it.

I knew it!! Space Mountain!!! The abode of the gods!

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/attractions/magic-kingdom/space-mountain/

OtemAtum:
confusion about what? The Book Of Universal History is very clear on all these points. It gave the predictions of a less-religious future and it's already panning out right before our eyes.

The Lord says, “The sullied soul takes a gander at the horizon. He watches the dark clouds form. He feels the winds turn. He utters, “I predict rain!” He pats himself on the back and his disciples call him Prophet!”

Clardo:
Envelope With Bullets Sent To Pope
August 9, 2021 by sd

From Newsweek:

An envelope addressed to Pope Francis and containing three bullets has been intercepted near Milan, according to Italian media reports.

The envelope featured French postage and was addressed to “The Pope – Vatican City, Piazza S. Pietro in Rome,” Milan-based newspaper Affaritaliani reported.

It contained three Flobert-type pellets, 9-millimeter caliber, according to Il Messaggero. There was also reportedly a message about financial operations at the Vatican.

An envelope addressed to Pope Francis and containing three bullets has been intercepted near Milan, according to Italian media reports.

The envelope featured French postage and was addressed to “The Pope – Vatican City, Piazza S. Pietro in Rome,” Milan-based newspaper Affaritaliani reported. It contained three Flobert-type pellets, 9-millimeter caliber, according to Il Messaggero. There was also reportedly a message about financial operations at the Vatican.

One bullet for Father, one bullet for the Son, and one bullet for the Holy Spirit. The message is for the immaculately conceived virgin.

LordReed:
Oh really? I don't recall giving him an appointment.

Careful now, or else Allah might just chop your head off but AntiChristian will be the one holding the machete

Harold Klemp calls all who do not practice eckankar, “weeds,” similar to what scientologists call “wogs,” a derogatory term that implies non-practioners are only worthy to be stepped on and ground into the dirt. Klemp has said in some of his lectures that “each of those who are eckists must come to the realization that they each belong to the chosen race of the superior being, All others are aliens, that is those who have not yet voluntarily taken up the path of eckankar. These aliens, as we speak of them, who do not practice eckankar, “weeds,” are in a way heathens or pagans who have not yet found truth. They are the agents of the kal, the god of the lower worlds, the devil, and the enemy of those who are the followers of the path of eckankar.” Most ex-eckists are able to pick themselves up after a period of grieving, however, they have extreme difficulty breaking free of the fear and bad karma threats that are strewn throughout the writings. They have been conditioned to believe that if one walks away from the “master,” they will lose all spiritual status and must begin their journey in the mineral, plant, and animal kingdoms again, and for some people, these fear implants have led to terrible suicidal depressions that can last for years.

Paul Twitchell founded eckankar, by dropping the Indian cultural elements from what he had learned and offered practitioners a means of “soul transcendence” through techniques that placed them in contact with the divine light and sound. The spiritual laws taught in eckankar are the law of cause and effect (karma) or past lives, dreams, and soul travel. In eckankar, they think colors and sounds are magical too, for instance, the color pink is from the astral plane and the source of emotions and many problems. Eckankar teaching is considered an advanced form of surat sabd yoga, “sound current,” which concentrates on physical and spiritual techniques that enable the soul to travel beyond the physical limitations of the body to the higher spiritual realms of the “sugmad,” the formless, all-embracing, impersonal, and infinite equivalent of god in theistic religions. Eckankar teaches that the universe was created by a series of sound waves coming from the divine, in the course of which the divine sound current became imprisoned in the realm of matter. Humans are sparks of god trapped in a cycle of reincarnation who nonetheless can return to god by listening to the divine sound and repeating the divine names: mantras.

Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp, who founded the religion of eckankar, which claim you, can learn to prove spiritual truths to yourself through your own experiences. In 1960s Paul Twitchell joined the “church” of scientology, was soon branded a Suppressive Person which is scientology speak for excommunication, moved on and later created eckankar in 1965. Eckankar is a new religious movement based on a 19th-century Indian tradition called sant mat, which centers around surat shabd yoga, which is a synthesis of hinduism and sikhism and focuses on spiritual exercises that enable practitioners to experience “the light and sound of god.” Some core ideas of eckankar seem to be watered down buddhism with some new age special effects.

benodic:
As we put effort into bringing harmony and balance into our life, these efforts are enhanced by the ECK."
.--Harold Klemp

What the eck?

It is now reasonably clear that Paul Twitchell, the founder of Eckankar, suffered from mythomania (pathological lying) and megalomania. This condition explains how a novelist turned spiritual leader could claim that his new religion, created in 1965 was the oldest religion in the world and that he was God made flesh on earth…the representative of Sugmad [God] in our midst today. Paul Twitchell's wife and co-founder is reported to have claimed that he made up the whole thing. Perhaps that is why she was paid $500,000 of Eckankar funds for the rights to Paul Twitchell's writings and has had nothing to say or anything to do with this teaching since. Twitchell magically transformed a 1965 for-profit company into a religion and bestowed upon himself the exalted title of Mahanta the Living Eck Master. He even invented an absurd story for how this all happened. According to Twitchell, he received his title and a mystical Rod of Power (another Twitchellian fiction) from a 400-year-old master named Rebazar Tarzs, who supposedly is still living in the flesh, in the Hindu Kush Mountains of Northern Tibet. But this fictionalized master, as well as all the others created by Twitchell, was part of an invented ancient spiritual sect known as the Vairagi Order (a name that he stole from an order in India). These invented masters first appeared in print around 1965 as he substituted their names for those of real spiritual teachers he had included in earlier versions of the same books.

3rd leader:
Harold Klemp

Leader 1981 -

Klemp, a former Lutheran trainee priest, sought to avoid the scandal and controversy surrounding Gross by moving the cult from California to Minnesota. He rebooted it as a semi-Christian church, abandoning the theological lectures of Twitchell and shorter statements of Gross for story-telling in the Christian tradition.

Eckankar ceased to be 'the organisation' as it was under Gross and was restyled as 'a church.' Senior members were 'high initiates' taking some of the roles of a Christian church minister.

Klemp built a central compound in Minnesota, in Chanhassen, calling it 'the temple'. Despite that descriptor, familiar to Sikhism, and despite the Babylonian sculpture on its roof, he called it a 'church.'

Inconsistently with Klemp's rebooting Eckankar as a semi-Christian church, he has talked of leavers who became Christians being pressurised in dreams and soul travel experiences to leave their church and return to the cult.

These changes, designed to move the cult away from its Hindu, New Age origins in the 1960s, did not repair the loss of membership that occurred following the termination of Gross. Overall Eckankar has declined during Klemp's regime. He has kept away from the membership, hiding his residential address, using security to whisk him in and out of rare seminar appearances, unlike Twitchell and Gross who were easy to meet.

2nd leader:
Darwin Gross

Leader 1971 - 1981
Vibraphonist, powerful leader, serial adulterer
Married (1) Gail Twitchell Atkinson, (2)
Removed from office 1981, expelled 1983.

Darwin Gross, a talented jazz vibraphonist, and much-loved leader, turned Twitchell's scattered group into a substantial international cult with a membership of over 50, 000.

Gross was terminated following scandalous, published allegations of theft of $2.5m cult funds. Lawsuits in Portland, Oregon followed. Gross started his own organisation, ATOM, led by himself as Master. Many members of Eckankar left and joined his organisation, reading his books and studying his discourses. ATOM continued following his death in 2008.

During Twitchell's lifetime, Gross had a long-term sexual relationship with Twitchell’s wife Gail. Gross married Gail following Twitchell's death. Following divorce from Gail, Gross had a series of further marriages and relationships.

Despite these personal problems, Gross was a powerful and effective leader, to whom many members were faithful. Since his termination in 1981, cult membership has declined, with numbers of current annual members believed to be around 30, 000.

Cult founder
Paul Twitchell

Occult practitioner, plagiarist, adulterer
Married: (1) Camille Barlow, (2) Gail Atkinson

Twitchell was a plagiarist and confidence specialist. He claimed he was appointed to his position by the 'vairagi eck masters' a group based in Tibet and founded 6 million years ago by Gakko, on the planet Venus. This group is not known in Tibet.


Twitchell founded Eckankar in 1965. He wrote the early books and study discourses. Their theology and practices were copied or adapted from the theology of the Kirpal Singh Hindu group. Twitchell had been a member of Scientology, claiming to be a personal friend of Ron Hubbard and a 'clear'. He had also been a member of the Kirpal Singh group. He blended Hindu theology and practice with modern organisational and marketing techniques he learned in Scientology.

Cult founder
Paul Twitchell

Occult practitioner, plagiarist, adulterer
Married: (1) Camille Barlow, (2) Gail Atkinson

Twitchell was a plagiarist and confidence specialist. He claimed he was appointed to his position by the 'vairagi eck masters' a group based in Tibet and founded 6 million years ago by Gakko, on the planet Venus. This group is not known in Tibet.

Twitchell founded Eckankar in 1965. He wrote the early books and study discourses. Their theology and practices were copied or adapted from the theology of the Kirpal Singh Hindu group. Twitchell had been a member of Scientology, claiming to be a personal friend of Ron Hubbard and a 'clear'. He had also been a member of the Kirpal Singh group. He blended Hindu theology and practice with modern organisational and marketing techniques he learned in Scientology.

Look below and tell me which names I made up:

Raphodon Biampa
Rebazar Tarzs
Fubbi Quantz
Japa Jantis
Rofo Lucian
Gopal Das
Cadmus Hermes
Rami Nuri
Kata Daki
Towart Managi
Kata Kata Lopez
Bump Tious Ignant
Shamus-i-Tabriz
Yaubl Sacabi
Mesu Bin Shaphat
Lai Tsi

https://www.eckankar.org/explore/spiritual-teachers/

benodic:
@ GofuckYourself

The Caucasian they are referring to must be Sri Harold Klemp. He is the current Mahanta, The Living ECK Master, our Spiritual guide and leader. We do not worship him as he is soul just like you. The only difference is that he is God-realized and he teaches you to become God -realized too and become a Spiritual Master just like him.
There has been ECK Masters from all races including blacks and Asians. Colour and race doesn't count. What matters is how much awareness of your relationship with God do you have..

There are only two ECK masters who actually existed, both white. One is the original fraudster who borrowed Hindu ideas and repackaged it into the ECK nonsense, and the current "God-realized" one. The others are obviously made up nonsense except to the deluded.

benodic:
@ GofuckYourself


The Caucasian they are referring to must be Sri Harold Klemp. He is the current Mahanta, The Living ECK Master, our Spiritual guide and leader. We do not worship him as he is soul just like you. The only difference is that he is God-realized and he teaches you to become God -realized too and become a Spiritual Master just like him.
There has been ECK Masters from all races including blacks and Asians. Colour and race doesn't count. What matters is how much awareness of your relationship with God do you have..

When these whites bamboozle you people into nonsense, they claim "color doesn't count" while simultaneously whitewashing everything they can lay their hands on, just like the alleged 1st century Judean depicted as a white boy. Your scammers made up your so called ECK masters from all "races", but the most offensive one is the white boy Gopal Das.
Imagine a blond haired blued eyed Ancient Egyptian from 3000 B.C.!!!! Falls in line with the white supremacist attempt to whitewash the history of Egypt.

https://www.eckankar.org/explore/spiritual-teachers/