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LordReed:
But the thing is most of those things didn't happen, not even the slaughters. They were exaggerations of their conquests. Even at the height of their might during the reign of the House of David they didn't exterminate many of the indigenous people, instead they consolidated. It was after their return from exile that they began to really turn the whole thing into a religion.

According to ethnographers, it did happen. The ethnographers got their information from the Egyptian priests. The ones who would have known what Moses was doing. It was already a religion before the exile. Moses setting up the priesthood in the Pentateuch is when the religion started by teaching them how to honor “god”. David came much later after they had already exterminated enough people to secure the “promised land” and by that time they were in the ascendancy so no need to kill to many people.

Abujakenneth:
Good day guys. The moment I entered church last Sunday the spirit of God directed to Ecclesiastes 1:2. After reading the verse I asked myself does it mean that even my going to church is vanity since the Bible says "all". This is also repeated in verse 14 of the same chapter. Please who can throw more light to this?

It means exactly what it says. Saint, sinner, and the others are all heading for the grave. The person who wrote it didn’t sugarcoat anything. Even wisdom is ultimately useless. God, Jesus, commandments. All nonense

If you don’t presuppose that “the lord” was really in a tent in the desert chilling with the Israelites. The real “lord” is apparent in the story below.

Leviticus 10
New International Version
The Death of Nadab and Abihu
10 Aaron’s sons Nadab and Abihu(A) took their censers,(B) put fire in them(C) and added incense;(D) and they offered unauthorized fire before the Lord,(E) contrary to his command.(F) 2 So fire came out(G) from the presence of the Lord and consumed them,(H) and they died before the Lord.(I) 3 Moses then said to Aaron, “This is what the Lord spoke of when he said:

“‘Among those who approach me(J)
I will be proved holy;(K)
in the sight of all the people
I will be honored.(L)’”
Aaron remained silent.

4 Moses summoned Mishael and Elzaphan,(M) sons of Aaron’s uncle Uzziel,(N) and said to them, “Come here; carry your cousins outside the camp,(O) away from the front of the sanctuary.(P)” 5 So they came and carried them, still in their tunics,(Q) outside the camp, as Moses ordered.

6 Then Moses said to Aaron and his sons Eleazar and Ithamar,(R) “Do not let your hair become unkempt[a](S) and do not tear your clothes,(T) or you will die and the Lord will be angry with the whole community.(U) But your relatives, all the Israelites, may mourn(V) for those the Lord has destroyed by fire. 7 Do not leave the entrance to the tent of meeting(W) or you will die, because the Lord’s anointing oil(X) is on you.” So they did as Moses said.

8 Then the Lord said to Aaron, 9 “You and your sons are not to drink wine(Y) or other fermented drink(Z) whenever you go into the tent of meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance(AA) for the generations to come, 10 so that you can distinguish between the holy and the common, between the unclean and the clean,(AB) 11 and so you can teach(AC) the Israelites all the decrees the Lord has given them through Moses.(AD)”

12 Moses said to Aaron and his remaining sons, Eleazar and Ithamar, “Take the grain offering(AE) left over from the food offerings prepared without yeast and presented to the Lord and eat it beside the altar,(AF) for it is most holy. 13 Eat it in the sanctuary area,(AG) because it is your share and your sons’ share of the food offerings presented to the Lord; for so I have been commanded.(AH) 14 But you and your sons and your daughters may eat the breast(AI) that was waved and the thigh that was presented. Eat them in a ceremonially clean place;(AJ) they have been given to you and your children as your share of the Israelites’ fellowship offerings. 15 The thigh(AK) that was presented and the breast that was waved must be brought with the fat portions of the food offerings, to be waved before the Lord as a wave offering.(AL) This will be the perpetual share for you and your children, as the Lord has commanded.”

16 When Moses inquired about the goat of the sin offering[b](AM) and found that it had been burned up, he was angry with Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron’s remaining sons, and asked, 17 “Why didn’t you eat the sin offering(AN) in the sanctuary area? It is most holy; it was given to you to take away the guilt(AO) of the community by making atonement for them before the Lord. 18 Since its blood was not taken into the Holy Place,(AP) you should have eaten the goat in the sanctuary area, as I commanded.(AQ)”

19 Aaron replied to Moses, “Today they sacrificed their sin offering and their burnt offering(AR) before the Lord, but such things as this have happened to me. Would the Lord have been pleased if I had eaten the sin offering today?” 20 When Moses heard this, he was satisfied.

LordReed:
The books of the OT of the Bible where written as cultural records of their heritage, it wasn't meant to inspire them to commit genocide. The same way Hamlet doesn't mean ghosts exist or that you should kill your uncle. They were literary compositions meant to mark the development of their culture. Imagine someone turning Shakespeare's books into a religious idealogical manifesto.

The books of the OT Bible are their cultural heritage but the first five books form basis of the noble fiction. They did commit those genocides in the Pentateuch. The fiction is that their god chose them and sanctioned the bloodshed.

The real story is Moses was a priest who was at the head of people expelled from Egypt because of infectious disease and other things. The god Amun was consulted and the Oracle said that the authorities should expel the group. Since Moses was a priest, he and any other priests in the party would have been the most educated amongst the people. Educated meaning he knew how the whole thing is created, he new proto science, and other tricks of controlling society because that was the job of the priests. The priests also knew the truth in this set up and to keep the lie going, they were well compensated. That’s why the priests were given more than the common people after the acquired land from all those genocides. It’s an ancient Egyptian trick with the cult/priests of Osiris being the original.

What is the animal symbol of Amun?
A ram

What smell was sweet to “the lord” after Moses sacrificed it?
A ram

It was a symbolic sacrifice of the god that kicked them out of their former homes. He simple sacrificed the old god for the new. AND HE DIDN’T BELIEVE IN GOD.

When Somnvayina repeats the words of his Jewish landlord, little does he know that god really means “the heavens” or even the so called totality of existence,like he is fond of saying. And god did not give any laws.

Lycurgus the law giver of Lacedaemon said Apollo gave him the laws.

Minos the law giver of Crete said Zeus gave him the laws

Moyses the law giver of Israel said Yah gave him the laws

Etc

LordReed:
That's just it, they are not supposed to inspire you to commit atrocious acts just like Shakespeare's writings are not a basis for morality. It's a glimpse into the formation of culture, its supposed to provide context and understanding of those times. It should allow you to see how far human society has developed culturally. If you've ever read the Greek or Roman mythologies you'll see similar there to but it shouldn't inspire you to go kill or rape.

The fictions are supposed to inspire the people to protect their state and their people. It’s meant to foster brotherhood amongst a particular group and if that means killing other groups that’s what they do. Moses’ noble fiction, the most famous one, includes alots of booodshed of other groups by the “chosen people” under the direction of Yah. The noble lie is about advancing certain nation building agendas and if it means killing people, they kill people. Another thing about noble fiction:
The hearers might not believe it, their sons can be made to believe it, but people of posterity will swear it’s the truth. e.g. the whole exodus in the Bible is believe by people but the actual story is less known because it doesn’t include magic and doesn’t let them tell the story of being “chosen by god”

Manifest Destiny is a more recent example:
Coining the Phrase

In 1845, a democratic leader and influential editor by the name of John L. O'Sullivan gave the movement its name. In an attempt to explain America's thirst for expansion, and to present a defense for America's claim to new territories he wrote:
".... the right of our manifest destiny to over spread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federaltive development of self government entrusted to us. It is right such as that of the tree to the space of air and the earth suitable for the full expansion of its principle and destiny of growth." (Brinkley 352)
Manifest Destiny became the rallying cry throughout America. The notion of Manifest Destiny was publicized in the papers and was advertise and argued by politicians throughout the nation. The idea of Manifest Destiny Doctrine became the torch, that lit the way for American expansion.

A Movement As Old As America Itself

Although the movement was named in 1845, the philosophy behind Manifest Destiny always existed throughout American History. For example, in 1818 Andrew Jackson, while taking a broad interpretation of vague instructions from President Monroe, led military forces into the Floridas during the Florida crisis. In a systematic and ruthless way, he punished the Seminal Indians for taking up arms with the Spanish, destroyed Spanish forces, and captured several cities and forts. (Demkin, Chapter . Americans who had moral reservations about the rough tactics of Jackson, soothed their consciences with a familiar, but not yet named philosophy. Their reasoning, the Floridas were part of American territory; therefore, destiny intended that America should have them.

Dtruthspeaker:
Satan don fall inside deep hole, laugh am, laugh am! E don fall for deep hole, laugh am, laugh am!

See Pain. Great Pain and you have not yet entered the Lake of Fire, yet, see how you are overcome and over full with the madness of Pain.

Still not nearly enough emojis, you infernal r3tard.

Dtruthspeaker:
More insults even when I did not insult you. But I understand, it is always the bye product of great loss and Pain.

Anyway, Fool, on your "morphogenetic fields shiit" you do real-eyes that there is the understanding, "that I understand" that you do have The Right to be Make a Fool of Yourself and to display your insanity as long as "you open a thread" to do so, Fool?

Like I tell thee alway, why doth thou lovest to roll in shiit filled gutters, as a pig?

Doth thou seest how thy love for evil causeth thee to be full of madness?

Dumb son of a bitch. You don’t have nearly enough emojis yet.

Calling bastardjnr1 or bastardjnr2020. Where, oh where, is the miracle?

Hey bastardjnr2020, do you think Kathryn Kulman would have fared better?

https://www.nairaland.com/6550415/tell-bring-mad-brothers-here/3#down

LordReed:
I don't use that term because in those days it took scribes to be able write anything down plus writing implements were not as ubiquitous as we have them now. Goat herders won't have the time or inclination. It is obviously a glimpse into the birth of our sophistication, unfortunately the religious have turned something beautiful into something ugly.

I don’t think the ideas are fundamentally beautiful nor do I blame the religious for turning something beautiful into something ugly. The ideas are as good as the acts they inspire. Like the wisdom of all ages assert, men will behave badly if inculcated with stories about gods behaving badly. We see this truth in the Abrahamic religions. e.g. if the Muslims aren’t told stories of their god sanctioning all manner of bloodshed or directly causing the bloodshed, they would be less inclined to cause bloodshed.

LordReed:
Indeed. I simply pointed the most accessible of these, the volume of these facts would be overwhelming for any single post to attempt to layout.

No, I don’t expect anyone to lay it out….for free.
The statement religion is regarded by the ruler as useful, the wise as false, and the common people as true becomes really profound when you realize the sheer genius of the originators.

I laugh when some criticize the authors of “sacred” books as “ancient goat herders” . There were not goat herders, they were the most educated people around and were very smart.

LordReed:
6 million jews killed in WW2.
Islamic terrorists killing in the name of the Abrahamic god.
Christian pastors and priests taking advantage of their congregations.

To all of this the heavens are completely silent. No god booming out to deliver any sort of proclamation condemning any of these actions which is the least a god as powerful and righteous as the Abrahamic god is said to be should do but absolutely nothing happened/happens.

If you read enough ethnography, history, and philosophy, you won’t need the above examples to rubbish their nonsense god because you would have enough information for some adbductive , if not inductive, reasoning. Their god is nothing more than the central character of a “noble fiction”. At least the Jewish god is. Once you realize that, Christianity becomes a tragicomedy.

HellVictorinho:
He is a waste of time here

I had an inkling he would claim to understand the nonsense I was writing that day and like the cretinous buffoon that he is, he fell right into it.

Dtruthspeaker:
See great pain, so much so that you can not recover

The Word of God cuts down all evil souls!

Dumb animal. You don’t have enough emojis in the post to hide your stupidity. Lol, the “word of god” is as real as the morphogenetic fields you claim to understand.

MrPresident1:
funny inversion

Let it be to you as you have spoken with your mouth. Let nothing come against it. Let everything in the universe hasten to their command

dog

Still not as funny as your ignoble fiction.

Ya dumb animal.

kingxsamz:
Always talking in the language of the gods.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Toyota and Lexus this time.
At least I'm not the only one who sees you don't make any sense most of the time.

KnownUnknown:
The morphogenetic fields form the substrate of existence, or as you call it, creation. So the goals of morphogenetic fields are intrinsic to this discussion.
Please, cease and desist if you do not have the capacity to understand the evidence. Nevertheless, we vibrate, we exist, we are reborn. We exist as chaos-driven reactions, so you have to note the similarities. You say some things are akin to pressing irons and cars but the cosmos is aglow with psionic wave oscillations and we all know non-locality is the driver of insight.

KnownUnknown:
If you are unable to understand the evidence, just say so, instead of trying to kick me out of a thread that you did not create. You obviously do not have the depth to understand potentiality is the birth of interconnectedness, and of us. Will requires exploration and you are intellectually incapable.

Dtruthspeaker:
I can understand what you are saying but I believe that things should be done properly.

You can say all you want in your own thread and the discussion which you raise will have priority and any subject matter that is not direct to your thread will be a deviation and a Change of Post exactly as you are doing to this thread.

Dtruthspeaker is a dumb, ignorant, prideful, incredibly stupid Christian. SOB calls himself a lawyer! The law must be in a sorry state in Nigeria if this is what qualifies as a lawyer.
The above is him displaying his imbecility and dishonesty.

I wrote a bunch of nonsense and he was too stupid to realize that it’s nonsense and too prideful to admit he didn’t understand. Instead, he claimed to understand. He claimed to understand nonsense!

So anyone talking to him, keep in mind the type of demented ignorant character you’re dealing with.

godliman:
God save us from escatological heresy

Eschatology rhymes with scatology because they are both the study of shit.

LordReed:
You are the one being ridiculous and childish, who can't distinguish between what is real and what is fiction. You watched a freaking movie and won't shut up about it because you think it's real. You sound like an unwashed infant from the village they took to the cinema who closes his eyes because he thinks the car in the movie is about to hit him. Grow up please and stop fooling yourself about the Matrix movie, it's only a movie.

Lmao. Get ready for more Matrix arguments for god. The next movie in the franchise is called Matrix: Resurrections, and it seems reincarnation will be part of the plot. There’s going to be an avalanche of bullshit then.

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MrPresident1:
You got so proud, so conceited, so stouthearted that you also even attempted to alter the eternal word lol. That is the pabambari of all sins. All who do this is cursed from now till eternity, no redemption.

Revelation 22:18-20
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Ooohhhhhh, the “eternal word”. Soooo profound!! Who changed vultures to eagles in order to make silly prophecies? That’d be you.
Anyway, I’m totally immune to sin because I have a special spiritual super duper force field around me. So the plague might just boomerang and smack you like COVID. Then god will use white-out and remove your name from the book of life.
Jesus will return on the back of Pegasus to take his minions. You will miss the boat and be stuck in Nigeria. You won’t be found fit for the new jerusalem. You’re barred from the holy city and the sight of god. Thus saith the Lord.

HISSCRIBE1995:
The British were colonial masters seeking to colonize territories, and they knew very well that to colonizing culture of the people without colonizing their aboriginal religion would abrade some elements of influence from the colonial master, thus the need to Herald christianity alongside their personal interests.

I totally agree with you. Although they could have colonized without abrogating the cultures they came in contact with if their intentions were noble. Their intentions were not noble and any goodness that may have come off them is either accidental or the bare minimum to facilitate peaceful exploitation.
Like you imply, Christianity is a slave making religion.

HISSCRIBE1995:
So the missionaries shouldn't be counted as mercenaries, because ;the last time I checked:

They were mercenaries with a different type of weapon. The sailors had canons on their ships, the soldiers had rifles and bayonets, and the priests had the bible. The priests did the most damage because they assaulted and enslaved the mind.

HISSCRIBE1995:
the missionaries killed no one, instead they died for the people, fought for their safety, suffered hunger and thirst while they watched the children eat and drink with merriment and laughter.

You need to start learning how to discern between relatively accurate history and propaganda. The above is asinine propaganda.

HISSCRIBE1995:
It was a missionary who help abolished the killing of twin babies in Nigeria as history has it.

Mary Slessor aiding in abolishing the abhorrent practice of killing twin babies amongst some people in present day Calabar does not equate to abolishing the killing of twin babies in Nigeria. What you wrote above is propaganda meant to venerate some ordinary scottish christian at the detriment of millions of your people, just because of your faith.

HISSCRIBE1995:
So the Heraldry of the gospel alongside the British soldiers was a blessing and not a mess.

The heraldry of the gospel alongside the British soldiers was the beginning of the benighted age we are mired in. As an aside, if you knew the true nature of Judaism, you'd see how utterly ridiculous christianity and islam are.

MrPresident1:
NATO at 70 meeting, in London-the place of the carcase, spiritual sodom and Egypt-where the Lord was crucified, the twin head of Anglo-America

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_171571.htm

Allied Heads of State and Government are gathering in London on Tuesday (3 December 2019) to commemorate the 70th anniversary of NATO. In 1949, the United Kingdom was one of NATO’s twelve founding members and London was the home of NATO’s first headquarters. Leaders will take decisions to further strengthen the Alliance and continue its adaptation. This evening, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will host a reception for NATO leaders at Buckingham Palace.

Queen Liz was there, Bojo was there, Donald Trump, Trudeau, Stoltenberg-Sec Gen, Mrs Merkel of Western Germany, French Macron was there, Erdogan of Turkish, all the top top leaders of the eagle of Rome were there

Matthew 24:28
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

This prophecy helps us to know the time we are in in the fulfillment of Scriptures

I was confused about your prophecy. Then I looked closely and realized that it makes sense. Eagles eat carcases while vultures eat carcasses.

Matthew 24:28
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28
Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

So what’s the status of the Eagles and the carcase?
How does the end of Donald Trump’s presidency factor into this high stakes cosmic drama playing out on earth?
Where is the spiritual aquila located?

If woman came from a rib, why aren’t there rib women?

To infinity and beyond.

BeLookingIDIOT:
Ahh...The "fatwa envy"
You mean the same "xtian" nations were gay marriage is recognized? Nah bro...Their liberalism is despite xtianity and not because of it.
Every student of history knows what have happened every single time the church wields power...and that's more reason why atheists shouldn't stop what they do; more reason your wings should continue getting clipped

The Dark Ages is what they call the period when Christianity held sway in Europe. The dark ages may have passed in Europe but Africa is in the throes of it. Guess the common denominator. Christianity and it’s Arab mongrel cousin.

HISSCRIBE1995:
The Bible shouldn't be held responsible for whatever happened in history if what took place were not consistent and in agreement with its teachings.
This is unacceptable

Everything in my prior post and everything that was done by Christians throughout history, good or bad, can be justified by that book. Today, all manner of bigotry by Christians, they justify by citing the book. There is no action so deplorable that a Christian won’t support as long as the Bible can support it. Up to and including infanticide.
Boko Haram or The Taliban can reject the Quran and pick up the Bible tomorrow and nothing about their ideologies will change and the ideologies will be supported by the Bible.

The British crown gorged on blood and enriched its inbred self with incalculable wealth all the while patting itself on the back for accomplishing “The Great Commission” given to it by Jesus. Now the descendants of its victims marvel at the “liberalism of Christianity”.
*****We need an emoji to show utter contempt and disgust.

HISSCRIBE1995:
I your silence is well understood, it means =you are defenseless having been convicted

Let's try to free your mind from perpetual slavery.

The 1) Dum Diversas, the 2) Romanus Pontifex and the 3) Inter Caetera Papal Bulls serve as the basis & justification for the A) Doctrine of Discovery (which allowed for the genocide & eradication of “merciless savages”), the B) global slave-trade of the 15th & 16th centuries (which led to the American Slave Trade), and the C) United States government’s westward expansionism and Age of Imperialism.

http://www.tylerhistory.org/2018/08/27/1452-papal-bull-dum-diversas/

Kobojunkie:
No, God didn't need to tell me that He spoke all that through Jeremiah, He instead confirms the statements attributed to His being in the writing of Jeremiah.

Before the mental gymnastics above, his answer was “Yes!”. He found the answer to be too crazy so changed the answer to the dishonest nonsense above.

The crazy christian with the perpetually confused emoticon is either too dumb and dishonest to tell the truth.

https://www.foreigntongues.co.uk/whats-the-difference-between-translation-and-transliteration

Given the meaning of transliteration, the sound or name Jesus is nonsense.

Kobojunkie:
Nope, I was not with Jeremiah at the time, nor do I need to have been since my trust is not in Jeremiah. I don't trust in Jeremiah's own words - his opinions - , I trust only in God's Words spoken through the man called Jeremiah.

Again, this isn't about a book but about God the one to whom all knowledge of good and of evil belongs - it is all inspired by Him.

The opinion expressed in the image means nothing since it is not the Word of God but the opinion of a man and recall I don't trust man at all where God and the things of God are concerned.

Trustnoman4life:
Who told you God spoke through Jeremiah?
Answer the question directly don't deviate from the actual question and we will be heading some where.

Kobojunkie:
God Scratch that...in the beginning, I was unsure too of whether He did or did not. So I decided to Trust to an Almighty Soverign God is God-enough to maintain His Word and Truth through the ages and and reveal the lies to those who seek Him.

And after I began doing just that , trusting Him , He showed us and has been teaching me His Way and Truth since then, and that is how I came to learn that He did speak through even Jeremiah.

[quote author=XXXXTENTACION post=104870882][/quote]When you go past the theist/atheist divide, you’ll start to see clearly and stop trying to make sense of nonsense. The ideas are ridiculous because they are ideas and philosophies of different men across time that are either rejected (Heresies) or accepted (doctrine) by other men. Without religious beliefs Garden of Eden is just a stupid story.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edin_(Sumerian_term)


The doctrine of original sin began to emerge in the 3rd century but only became fully formed with the writings of Augustine of Hippo (354–430), who was the first author to use the phrase "original sin" (Latin: peccatum originale).[3][4] Augustine's conception of original sin was based on a mistranslated passage in Paul the Apostle's Epistle to the Romans, and scholars have debated whether the passage supports Augustine's view.[5][6][7]

Augustine's formulation of original sin became popular among Protestant reformers, such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, who equated original sin with concupiscence (or "hurtful desire" ), affirming that it persisted even after baptism and completely destroyed freedom to do good and proposed that original sin involved a loss of free will except to sin.[8] Modern Augustinian Calvinism holds this view. The Jansenist movement, which the Catholic Church declared heretical from 1653, also maintained that original sin destroyed freedom of will. Instead the Catholic Church declares "Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle." "Weakened and diminished by Adam's fall, free will is yet not destroyed in the race."