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ucheagu:
➜I think animal's have a mind of their own, with the way the female animal protect it child, so they must have the ability to think, so I do wonder do they believe in God, do they have souls or will they go to heaven or hell if they die...

Which God? I hope you are not thinking YHWH, the same who declared He was God only of Israel, in which case I would have to ask if these animals are Israelites.

ThatWriterBoy:
➜Hello everyone! Thanks for your explanations on my last post. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me. So I have entered the book of Deuteronomy, and I have some questions. On the surface, it seems as though there are some discrepancies when Deuteronomy and Numbers narrate the same events.
1. In Deuteronomy 1:9-18, Moses said he was the one that suggested the Israelites split themselves into groups and select leaders to judge the case, but Exodus 18:13-27 said it was Jethro's idea. Now that I look at it, it makes sense. Perhaps it was already a known fact that Jethro gave the idea, and there was no need saying it again in Deuteronomy.

Jethro was a nobody to the Israelites. He may have been Moses' father-in-law, but as far as the leadership of the Israelites, he was a nobody. Jethro gave the idea to Moses, but it was Moses who had to decide on behalf of the people of Israel.

9 “At that time I told you, ‘I can’t take care of you by myself.
10 And now, there are even more of you. The Lord your God has added more and more people, so that today you are as many as the stars in the sky.
11 May the Lord, the God of your ancestors, give you 1000 times more people than you are now! May he bless you as he promised.
12 But I cannot take care of you and solve all your arguments by myself.
13 So choose some men from each tribe, and I will make them leaders over you. Choose wise men with experience who understand people.’
14 “And you said, ‘That is a good thing to do.’
15 “So I took the wise, experienced men you chose from your tribes, and I made them your leaders. In this way I gave you leaders over 1000 people, over 100 people, over 50 people, and over 10 people. I also gave you officers for each of your tribes.
16 “At that time I told these judges, ‘Listen to the arguments between your people. Be fair when you judge each case. It doesn’t matter if the problem is between two Israelites or between an Israelite and a foreigner. You must judge each case fairly.
17 You must treat everyone the same when you judge. You must listen carefully to everyone—whether they are important or not. Don’t be afraid of anyone, because your decision is from God. But if there is a case too hard for you to judge, bring it to me and I will judge it.’
18 At that same time, I also told you everything you must do. - Deuteronomy 1 vs 9 - 18

If you would throw out all bias and attempt to comprehend what is in fact written in Deuteronomy 1 above, you will find that this wasn't an attempt by Moses to take credit for the idea that was suggested to him by Jethro but more an attempt to ensure the people that the idea was sound and for their good.

Antichristian2:
➜ In the Lord's prayer he told them to call the father in heaven directly...
➜ Then you should stop lying that there are only one God! If Jesus worships another God then that is two Gods not one!

1. That prayer was made possible through Him— His Kingdom, His Gospel, His Truth —hence, in His name.

2. What are you on about? The book tells you that YHWH is God of gods, implying that there are so many gods out there. I mention this several times when I insist that there are at least 4000 documented deities that are known of today.

Again, you religious folks should really learn to separate your private delusions from what the book, in fact, states.

Antichristian2:
➜Why was God praying before healing? If God sent Jesus then isn't he a messenger? Why is he letting people see him pray to God? How many Gods have you seen pray to another God?
➜ Ah! Ah! Jesus came to die, he come dey pray make the death pass am! God suppose pray? God dey die? God even dey turn human? What he unaware of his mission to die again?
➜So Jesus was calling a superior God when suffer enter am! Jesus is even calling on God accusing him of forsaking him! Isn't he God again?
➜Was Satan trying to coax God to worship him? I mean Satan according to Job 1 appeared before God with the sons of God to whine God to tempt Job! He should have seen Jesus beside God back then! He didn't recognise God wey turn man! And Jesus was even saying only God alone deserves all worship. Satan no get respect o! Satan later took God to the highest
➜Again, how can Jesus who is a God have another God? If the father is a God to the son, is the son also a God to the father? In Isaiah 45:5, Yahweh siad "I am the LORD (YHWH), and there is no other; there is no God but Me. In Deuteronomy 4:35,
"You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him."
Also in Deuteronomy 32:39, "See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand".

1 & 2. According to the book of books you quote from, YHWH, the one who later declared Himself God only of Israel is also indicated in the book of the Law of Moses as Lord of lords and God of gods, insisting He is the God at the top of the Hierarchy of all the other Gods and Lords— the Superior God.

17. The Lord is your God. He is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. He is the great God. He is an amazing and powerful fighter. To him, everyone is the same. He does not accept money to change his mind. - Deuteronomy 10:17

That you have personally never seen a God praying to another God does not change the facts of what is written in the book, right? Also, that you have never seen a God come down in human form does not change the facts of what is recorded in the book either. Abi?

3. Pretty much or yes!

4. Jesus Christ of Israel was a human being as well. Satan's programmed job, as we had read many times before that particular encounter with Jesus Christ of Israel, was to tempt all humans. He had to, in following with his programming, tempt even Jesus Christ of Israel, who came before him in human form. So?

5. You would need to reference any rules in the book restricting one lesser God from bowing down before a greater God since it is not clear where this question of yours is coming from.

4 “The Lord is the Rock, and his work is perfect! Yes, all his ways are right! God is true and faithful. He is good and honest. - Deuteronomy 32 vs 4

In Deuteronomy 32, YHWH — God of Israel— described Himself as the True God. In the same chapter which you quoted from earlier, YHWH also proclaimed the existence of other gods —gods of other nations/peoples—who, as far as the Israelites were concerned, were false gods —they had no connection with the Israelites over whom YHWH had declared that He alone is God of, this as He also declared that He was the God over even all of the other gods out there— none of the others measured up to Him in any manner.

Antichristian2:
➜Why is Jesus urging them to pray to the father in heaven when the son is on earth and the son and father are together and one?
➜ I still don't understand why Jesus, a God that became man kept praying to God throughout his life time. I would say he was the only God that had another God he prays in times of need!

1. Why couldn't Jesus Christ of Israel — Himself a God over His followers — urge His followers to pray to His God using His name? You didn't point out the specific rule from the book that declares His act of contradiction.

2. What rule from the compendium of books you quote all those verses from states that a God cannot worship— trust and obey — another greater God, particularly one with whom He is one — in agreement — with?

Gandollar:
Kobojunkie what do you think?

To each his own!

AZconcept:
➜Looking at issue in another direction, I don’t know if there are any couples who sleep in separate beds other than they were not in a good state of marriage. But, I do know some couples who sleep with their kids for years. I do know some couples who sleep all together with their kids in one bedroom, or the husband goes to living room simply because they only have one bedroom. As far I know, they also have s@x, not regularly, but mostly it is enough to keep them sane. Of course the intimacy, the s@x, and the friendahip get better when they sleep together, just to of them.

The intimacy gets better, not necessarily the friendship. We all should know of at least one couple who slept in the same bed pretty much every day of their marriage only for one of them getting up to eventually end the life of the other. If not from the real world, then at least from the papers or here on the Crime Section on Nairaland. We also know of couples who sleep in the same bed all while committing adultery in others. Sleeping in the same bed is majorly for intimacy reasons.

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Chilipepper:
,✓ A Twitter user with the handle Adelaide took to X to report her dad in a girls' community for waking her up at 5 AM just to make tea for him. In response, some X users criticized the father, arguing that such a request was unreasonable since he wasn’t ill.

I feel her pain! 😩😩😩😩

Here's hoping she will go on to be a better parent than her dad.

Obrigardo:
This is a clear sign that God's judgement is wrecking through the evil maga admin and group.
It's a pity watching right wing influencers who riled for decades against THE GREEN NEW DEAL buying tesla cars.
And why? because of a human being! They don't give a flying fit what they believed in for years.
Judgement is passing swiftly through the maga cult. This is amazing to behold, just about 2 months in.

Please don't forget to take your medication abeg!

IMEI:
See you around ma'am

Um... why?

IMEI:
➜You've made up your mind already, so why are you gnawing at that bone?

How can I make up my mind when you have, from your responses, not made up yours on exactly what is deployed in the book?

IMEI:
➜You're interesting, the posts that require more depth in thinking, you take at face value and the ones that should be taken at face value, you complicate

More depth in thinking yet you who claim to have that depth are still unable to give me definite answers?

IMEI:
✓ A resolution

Resolve a possible contradiction by picking any one of the possible false ideas?

IMEI:
✓ Juxtapose both posts on the point and make your pick

Juxtapose two statements that seem to conflict each other to what end?

RealAbba:
The way he even writes "Allah of the Muslims" tells you that he just wants mock you. Allah guides whom he wishes.

He is Allah of the Muslims, is he not? He is not Zeus of the Greeks, Ogun of the Yorubas, or God of Israel aka YHWH, so?

IMEI:
✓ I know, I know her posting history... it's a woman

Oh wow...gender matters as far as what here? your response or what?

IMEI:
✓ In trying to make a mockery, you're making yourself look more stupid

Make a mockery of what? You? Why? The other fellow whose suggestions seem to conflict with yours equally claims to be a Muslim.

IMEI:
✓ I say what I say, you understand what you understand
You're the one who's confused, you do the picking

This confusion stems from your earlier response insisting that the punishment of this life as instituted --the torment of pharaoh-- by the Allah of Muslims on Pharaoh began at the point that the plagues were initialized.

IMEI:
✓ [b]The punishments of this life began with the plagues and were sealed with the drowning [/b]after he and his armies followed Moses and his followers across the sea

IMEI:
➜Whatever torment that was visited, was for pharaoh and those who followed him

Really? So, Allah of the Muslims responded just before death to all the non-muslims among the Pharoah's people who died during the whole ordeal?

IMEI:
➜The plagues were only the beginning and were warnings at that point, the painful punishment is the one that finishes off the receiver and guarantees eternal punishment, which in this case is the drowning
➜The same as Prophet Lut in Sodom and Gomorrah, Prophet Saleh, Prophet Nuh (peace be up on them all) Allah accepts the repentance of a man so long as the death rattle has not yet reached his throat (Google this)
➜Repentance was closed off to the pharaoh when he was about to die at the very point of death

Again, you saying that Pharoah was a condemned man, no longer able to become a muslim, after the plagues instituted by Allah of the Muslims began?

2. The plague in Pharoah's case started before the death rattle — his actual drowing incident. Or are we talking of a different death rattle here?

3. You said ealier that it was closed off when the plagues began. Now you are saying it was when he was about to die — drown. Can you pick one please?

IMEI:
➜Maybe you just need to humble yourself and learn from those who know

. Humble in this case meaning? The last I checked, humble has nothing to do with reading and understanding the content of a book, but you seem to think differently.

Anyways, according to you, once Allah of the Muslim's torment begins — in this case, Pharoah's torment began when the plagues started— all doors to becoming a Muslim are closed. Is this the case?

IMEI:
➜Are you quoting Qur'an or Bible? Don't use biblical evidence to challenge qur'anic positions

Pharoah was a god over his people, right? And the plagues that you mentioned impacted him and his people, right? Where they all local to the Pharoah?

The Pharaoh was now in a dilemma. He had no intention of allowing Bani Isra'i1 to leave Egypt. In the years that followed Egypt was visited by several calamities such as floods, locusts, lice, frogs appearing in food and utensils etc. (these have been described in the Qur'an as آيَاتٍ مُّفَصَّلَاتٍ (Signs distinct 7:133). The Pharaoh would, at the time of each such visitation, approach Sayyidna Musa (علیہ السلام) and promised to release Bani Isra'il from his bondage and let them leave Egypt if he prayed to Allah to deliver him from the disaster. But as soon as the affliction was removed through the prayers of Musa علیہ السلام the Pharaoh reneged on his promise.

This happened several times until Allah commanded Sayyidna Musa (علیہ السلام) to take Bani Isra'il with him and leave Egypt. One night he and the whole tribe of Bani Isra'il quietly stole out of Egypt. The next morning when the Pharaoh discovered their escape, he assembled his army and went after them. Sayyidna Musa (علیہ السلام) and his men soon came to a river which had to be crossed. Allah commanded the river that when Sayyidna Musa (علیہ السلام) would strike its water with his staff it should part to make twelve exits for the twelve tribes of Bani Isra'il and that when they had crossed over, it should resume its normal flow again.

IMEI:
➜My advice, get a Qur'an and read Or go to Qur'an.com All your answers are there, if you care

I have actually read the quran before now. I did not memorize any of the tales contained at the time.

Anyways, according to you, once Allah of the Muslim's torment begins — in this case, Pharoah's torment began when the plagues started— all doors to becoming a Muslim are closed. Is this the case?

IMEI:
➜The punishments of this life began with the plagues and were sealed with the drowning after he and his armies followed Moses and his followers across the sea

Huh? So, all the other Egyptians who were caused to die by way of the plagues were all as part of the Pharaoh's torment? And this is how the Allah of the Muslims deals with everyone who is not a Muslim or was this torment particular to the Pharoah?

IMEI:
➜God spoke to pharaoh through Moses, He sent Moses to pharaoh God spoke to Moses directly, He spoke to pharaoh through His Messenger Moses who He spoke to directly The problem is my overestimating you, I'll be responding to you like I would a baby Those who God had decreed punishment for, their repentance weren't accepted at the time of punishment:
Chapter 10 Verse 96 - 98 "Indeed, those against whom your Lord’s decree ˹of torment˺ is justified will not believe. even if every sign were to come to them—until they see the painful punishment. If only there had been a society which believed ˹before seeing the torment˺ and, therefore, benefited from its belief, like the people of Jonah. When they believed, We lifted from them the torment of disgrace in this world and allowed them enjoyment for a while."
➜ From the above it's clear that 'belief' only benefits before the decreed punishment begins
➜ Furthermore:
Chapter 4 verse 18 "However, repentance is not accepted from those who knowingly persist in sin until they start dying, and then cry, “Now I repent!” nor those who die as disbelievers. For them We have prepared a painful punishment."
Here the Quran speaks of the exact situation in which pharaoh found himself. He had many chances to repent or believe prior to his last moment, but stubbornly refused. We are judged by what we do of our own free will, but at the moment of death it isn’t truly free will because the person sees their own lack of choice in the matter (of death), so that situation “pressured” them to repent or have faith. Death had come to him, and until the last moment he was chasing after Musa (Moses) and his people with intent to kill them. So this about-face occurred only under the duress and undeniable knowledge that occurs when one sees death just before the moment of death itself, barely enough time to have made his statement.

2. Interesting! So what you are insinuating is that even before he drew his last breath, Pharoah had already been condemned to torment by the Allah of the Muslims? Meaning that it did not matter at all that Allah of the Muslims responded(answered) to Pharaoh; even as he died, he remained a non-muslim. Right?

3. Based on this, wouldn't it then mean that Allah of the Muslims responds to the cries of non-Muslims at the point of death even though literally all death-bed confessions— since they are mostly made out of regret—are rejected by Allah of the Muslims?

IMEI:
https://quran.com/yunus
➜Chapter 10 Verse 96 Indeed, those against whom your Lord’s decree ˹of torment˺ is justified will not believe
➜ Chapter 10 Verse 97 even if every sign were to come to them—until they see the painful punishment.
➜ Chapter 10 Verse 98 If only there had been a society which believed ˹before seeing the torment˺ and, therefore, benefited from its belief, like the people of Jonah.1 When they believed, We lifted from them the torment of disgrace in this world and allowed them enjoyment for a while.

So, which of the above fits the case with Pharoah, and how?

Is the painful punishment death, in this case, drowning? Is the torment death(in this case, the drowning)?

IMEI:
➜https://quran.com/yunus

Why do I get the feeling that you don't even have a clear understanding of the topic itself? Either that or you have no answers, but in a desperate attempt to pretend you know, you feel posting irrelevant links would somehow make the questions go away? How else does one go about explaining the various attempts to derail, abeg?

Pharoah was at the door of death, then he cried out that he now believed and was a Muslim. Then Allah of the Muslims answered pharoah, insisting that Pharoah's corpse would be preserved as an example to others to come after him.
⚉ Where is it stated that Allah of Muslims rejected Pharoah's last-minute repentance since we are, in fact, being made to believe here that Allah of Muslims responded to Pharoah at the point of his death?
⚉ If Pharoah was a non-Muslim even up until his last breath, why did the Allah of the Muslims take time out to answer him?
⚉ Or, does Allah of the Muslims respond to the last-ditch efforts at the repentance made by everyone — regardless of whether they are Muslims or not?

IMEI:
1) You have comprehension issues Read from the link When you actually read up on Qur'an then we can debate, as for now, I can only tutor you since you know nothing
4) On what basis are you questioning my assertions, your poor grasp of a clear English translation? I'm not responsible for you not being able comprehend a straightforwardly worded verse of the Qur'an
5) If you'll not educate yourself from at the very least, the link I provided you, then you have only your time to waste

Did you read through the content of the link yourself? If yes, why aren't you able to point me directly to the lines that answer my particular questions to you?

Skimming through the content of the link, I have not been able to find any mentions of the events that took place right as the Pharaoh was dying, so what is it you are afraid of?

2. There is a lack of evidence for the additional claims you have made thus far regarding the information presented in verses 90-93 from Surah Yunus. If you insist that it is a poor grasp of English translation, then you should probably help me by providing me with the source for the additional details you introduced via your interpretation.

3. I see you are quickly turning this into an ego trip instead of responding appropriately to the questions asked.

IMEI:
➜This isn't worth responding to

Because asking you to verify claims you made is against Islam? I don't get it!

Can anyone who is not a Muslim invoke the attention of the Allah of the Muslims as you suggest Pharoah was able to?

IMEI:
➜The verse is contained in a Chapter called Yunus i.e. the 10th Chapter of the Qur'an and it has 109 verses in it. It details the in many verses the story of Moses and Pharaoh and the verse in question is part of a series of verses. If you want the full gist, read the Chapter. The story of Moses and the pharaoh is the most detailed and most mentioned story in the entire Qur'an and it has many verses in many Chapters detailing it. The status of pharaoh and his place with God is clear all across the Qur'an...the OP picked the least ambiguous story in the entire Qur'an to try to misreprent due to his ignorance. Read this below for the full story complete with references:
https://quran.com/en/20:41/tafsirs/en-tafsir-maarif-ul-quran

Is this some sort of attempt to deviate from the main topic or what? 😏

My questions were specific in this case. Where does your Quran make this statement that the Allah of the Muslims rejected Pharoah's request for repentance even though the Allah of the Muslims answered Pharoah during his last hours? Or where is it stated that last-minute requests of the kind offered by the Pharoah are rejected by the Allah of the Muslims? Where?

IMEI:
➜Qur'an is the direct word of God,
➜ this is God stating that He rejected pharaoh's claim of believing in Him
➜ God being the One who knows all things, knew pharaoh's motivations were phony and He rejected it...only God knows actual intentions and a person who genuinely repents is known by God, vis-a-vis someone who is insincere

You are allowed to believe what you wish of the book; that is not the concern here at all.

2. The fact that the verses quoted suggest that the Allah of the Muslims answered directly to the Pharaoh character implies that the Pharaoh's last-minute prayer was answered by the Allah of the Muslims. So, your insistence that the Pharoah's claim of believing was rejected by the Allah of the Muslims would require some additional support, should it not?

3. The Allah of the Muslims knew this, yet he chose to directly answer the Pharoah still. Come on now!