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AbuTwins:
➜If the Books are by Israelites for Israelites, Abraham and Noah were not Israelites! Also Balaam was not from Israel,
➜ Jonah was sent outside Israel
➜and Nebuchadnezzar was from Babylonian empire!

1. You are still not grasping the meaning behind it all. This battle between peoples and those whom they say are israelites is meaningless because the one who chose them is the one who named them Israelites.

According to the book, YHWH, the creator of all things, had the name "Israel" in mind even before He created the earth and man with it. He had His plan for the descendants of Jacob in hand before everything else He had for men. YHWH recruited Esau, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Balaam, and all the others who came before to further His plan called "Israel". YHWH, for reasons best known to Him, chose to wait to give that name specifically to the bloodline of the man named Jacob. Jacob was not named Israel by his parents. No! It was YHWH who gave Him that name. And once that plan was set into motion by Him, even the descendants of Jacob who mostly turned out to be arseholes as described by YHWH Himself could not change that choice He had made. Go read the Book of Deuteronomy and see for yourself that YHWH made it abundantly clear that it did not matter that the people in question were amongst the most wicked scum on the earth, as all that mattered was His choice of them for His plan.

2. Jonah was not the only Israelite sent to the surrounding nations in the area. Moses was sent to the King of Egypt and also to many other Kings during the journey to Canaan. Elijah, I remember well, he had to take a message to other kings too. The Israelites did not exist in Isolation of other Kingdoms and so the influence of the God of Israel impacted the nations in the area. That does not then mean that YHWH changed His mind regarding them.

3. Nebuchadnezzar?? He was a god worshipped by his own people. Even the dirge by YHWH through Isaiah regarding Nebuchadnezzar pitched him as such - Isaiah 14 vs 1 - 16. (This dirge which predicted the destruction of Nebuchadnezzar was revealed almost 150 years before the Judaeans were captured and taken to Babylon, mind you,) So, wetin give you the notion say Nebuchadnezzar was a man of the God of Israel abeg?

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That book has absolutely nothing to do with any other race on this planet. That much it makes abundantly clear in every book in that compendium.

AbuTwins:
✓ So of what use is the Bible if it is mainly for the Israelites and not for you as Jesus told the Canaanite woman that he wasn't sent except to the lost sheep of Israel?

The Books of the Bible were written by Israelites for other Israelites. Attempts by religions-- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam included ---- to hijack the writings for their own political greed and material delusions of their gods of men won't change that at all. The book and the prophets insist these religions are scams, and plots against those who adhere to them, same as the God of Israel —YHWH— had proclaimed from the very first pages.

Digitmktguru:
✓ "If God is love,
✓ why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?"
i will be glad if you can give me biblical explanation to this?

What exactly is love? I don't mean the generic dictionary definitions we are used to spewing but what are the concrete actions that constitute the God kind or God-accepted Love?

I get that we like to regurgitate what Paul said without much thought but maybe by better understanding Paul's statement, we gain incite into what love really means and how metaphorically or in actual fact, God can be considered love.

LilMissFavvy:
✓ No woman would know that her husband has HIV, yet still plays carelessly around him because everyone knows that HIV has no cure.

She admitted to knowing her husband has been serially cheating on her yet continued having unprotected sex with him. She is not an innocent abeg! 😩😩😩😩

For anyone paying attention, as I already pointed out earlier, this here is another attempt by the so-called religious scholars to impose their own ideas and definitions over that which is in fact contained in Scripture and explained by the God of Israel Himself —YHWH.

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For the umpteenth time, Jesus Christ of Israel declared to His disciples that He was sent ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel by His Father, YHWH, God of Israel, who is recorded to have declared them His Lost sheep through His Prophets. YHWH even took His time to elaborate in the passage below on why He qualified as Lost sheep.

11 The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12 If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13 I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14 I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15 Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.
16 “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.” - Ezekiel 34 vs 1....31

A quick read through the chapter of Ezekiel 34 would help enlighten anyone reading that compendium of books called the Bible on what YHWH, who sent His Son, only to those whom He considered Lost Sheep of Israel, meant when He regarded them as Lost Sheep of Isreal and His description of them has nothing to do with them falling off the face of the earth or going missing. YHWH's idea regarding His lost sheep is completely removed from the assertions made by the religious-minded folks who have cooked up stories of 10 tribes of Israel up and vanishing from the face of the earth.

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Ignorance is not bliss!

arkad321:
To be rich is not a goal of humans! It's an artificially created goal.

But poverty is the goal towards aspire?

LilMissFavvy:
There should be stiff laws to punish married persons who infect his/her partner with HIV.

To do that you would first need to prove that the other was not first aware of the danger before getting infected too. I mean her story is that she had known of his cheating right from the beginning yet continued anyway. And even after realizing the devastation, she holds on. At this point, if she gets pregnant again and has another child, do we blame the man alone still?

DaddyCoool:
➜You are now rambling to save face. See below. Back to the original, same way the 10 tribe were considered lost, the other two later met same fate. Meaning ALL the tribes are now lost, so again, does that mean Christ/God has stopped existing?

Do you know one big mistake people like you are prone to making? It is assuming everything on the internet is correct and true. 🤔

You did not do the math that I gave you to do earlier, did you? If you had, you have at least begun to rightly question several of the claims made in that piece you keep brandishing. But I guess I shouldn't expect you to reason at all to that point since, since the beginning of this conversation, you have shown a serious inability to reason independently from that which you have previously been fed on these things by your religious loonies. 😏

As I have tried numerous times explaining, they were not lost but exiled/scattered to all the ends of the earth. That is what is stated in Scripture and historically supported. YHWH Himself said He will go out and gather them back to Himself. They are missing(lost) to Him as He knows exactly where He scattered them to and How to find them.🤔

Afolue:
➜am a sociologist. A sociologist can go as far as to putting himself into a deliberate crime scene (no too grievous though) but just to find himself in prison to know how prisoners feel in order to analyze that aspect of the society without any form of hear say but as direct witness of all that they go through and experience in there. From deprivation, lifestyle to torture etc.
As a sociologist, I picked Islam as a case study, practiced for a couple of while after going through their holy books. Upon that, tis why my views are of a more rational stands than otherwise. When one finds self practicing Islam as a religion, one can take out little or nothing any form of advantage about other religious worship. I am not propagating it. Just saying this on an academic point of view.
If one should say today, i want to follow God most high and his prophets. It will be very easy to. But how determined can one really be.? Tis why I used the word seating on fence! Because religion is not a compulsion by any standards at all... No one is compelled to!. God never uses that to judge mankind. But it only helps to shape how God wants man to be. Blessings falls upon religion faithfuls and none religious faithfuls alike. He is after the heart of mankind instead. Religion is for man’s own good and not for God’s own good!

Follow which God? What prophets?

arkad321:
FASTING. Guys you won't have to worry about food and the intense hunger will not let your dick stand. You will be only worshipping God. Which is our main priority on this Earth

Are you sure you are OK at this point? Worshipping which god? The gods of hunger and starvation that your gods of men regale you lot with stories of while they eat themselves fat off of your sweat?

Go get yourself an appointment immediately with a professional mental health therapist, please.

Augustine2244:
➜ The day I knew Lucifer's power is overwhelming the world is when I read about an American pastor Mark Driscoll advocating for Anal sex between couple, and giving guidelines on how to better do it.
Those who know him very well knew he is a bloody bisexual.
Pornography was invented with one purpose _ to pervert God's Purpose for Sex, destroy normal heterosexuality and turn humans into animals without control of their sexual urges.
No normal straight man has anal sex with a woman.
It's a stock in trade of gays, and bisexuals.
Anal porn is done by bisexuals and gays with women who have shamelessly submitted themselves to such debasement all because of MONEY.
Even though there are straight men who claim to be sexually adventurous and want to try anal sex with their partners, the spirit behind Anal sex is a powerful one that operates strongly on the mind of the person and begins to infuse gay tendencies in him.
This is often one of the reasons, Western researchers say straight men due to porn can change to gays and bisexuals.
Some straight men who have fetishism for anal sex may claim it to be just that _Fetishism; but it's gone beyond that.
His mind has been clouded and firmly attached to anal sex.
If he doesn't retrace his steps, the fetishism leads to what is called Bicuriousity and this is enabled by viewing porn, because then he would have no qualms viewing even gay porn.
90% of porn industry worldwide is run by bisexuals.
The plague has even invaded the entertainment industry worldwide, Nigeria not exempted.
No matter how many would explain it, any man who has anal sex with a lady is either gay, bisexual or with gay tendencies in the early stages of "becoming".

Lucifer is a mythical creature sort of like Vampires, nymphs and the sort. What you learnt from reading that fictional book are more fictional ideas to add to the repertoire your mind already seems filled and ravaged by.

ebubeson:
It may be pre-marital sex or adultery. Have you ever had any horrible consequence on it that made you scared or worried?

The question is flawed! Horrible consequence of a natural act?

RhodaFa:
➜Reading the full story will give you insight.. don't judge from the top!

Again, I ask, is the woman any less wicked than he is? She remained in a dangerous marriage and refused to use protection only to end up helping infect her child with a deadly disease he may never survive. Na only the man to blame?

Was she forced to remain married to the cheated man until she got infected by him?

And why is she still with the man after learning she has signed the death warrant for both herself and her son by her foolishness? Does she plan to have more kids with him or maybe stay back to take care of him after it all?

RhodaFa:
The husband is wicked

Is the woman any less wicked than he is? She remained in a dangerous marriage, and refused to use protection only to end up helping infect her child with a deadly disease he may never survive. Na only the man to blame?

And why is she still with the man after learning she has literally signed the death warrant for both herself and her son by her foolishness? Does she plan to have more kids with him or maybe stay back to take care of him after it all?

She stayed in a ridiculous marriage only to end up signing the death warrant for one of the very kids she said she stayed for. Why does she remain still in the union? So she can continue exposing her kids to danger?

Digitmktguru:
What is the 'unpardonable sin' mentioned in Matthew 12:31-32, and can someone commit it today?"

The passage you quoted explains it right there to you. And only persons who are of the bloodline of Jacob — Lost sheep of Israel — and at the same time born-again—members of the Covenant that is Jesus Christ— can commit that sin.

DaddyCoool:
➜I know am not chatting with a slowpoke.
➜Were they not among the 10 tribes considered lost. That tells you that lost is more than physical.
➜They were still in same location but were lost because the mixed with Gentiles.
➜By the way you said they lived in Judah, which is false

I am not the slowpoke in this case since you are instead the one who seems slow to catch on to the many mistakes of the claims you continue to make here. 😏

2. You know how to do math, right?😏
⇾ The first article claimed that 10 tribes were lost only to reveal that rather than lost, they were instead exiled from their country of Israel sometime around 700 BC.
⇾ but from Scripture, we know that only 9 tribes occupied the northern nation of Israel while the other 3 occupied the nation of Judah(the second Israelite nation) from the time of their creation.
⇾ Then your third article said that the Samaritans — descendants of Joseph— who formerly lived in the nation of Israel, were found to live in Judah after Israel was destroyed.

Do the math abeg and see how the claim that 10 tribes were lost/disappeared is only fabricated nonsense.

3. What you just declared here makes no sense given the meaning of the term Gentile as documented in Scripture and highlighted in the image you presented earlier. Gentile as used Genesis 10 instead indicates use about members of the same family/clan/nation/bloodline who have been dispersed/scattered/exiled/migrated to different/other nations.

4. I said? You mean where in the Gospels, it is written that Jesus Christ of Israel who was born in the nation of Judah, approached the Samaritans living in Judah, that was all false?

DaddyCoool:
➜See below who were Samaritans durring the time if Christ.
➜You have to start paying me for all these lessons

So, the Samaritans were never in fact lost/disappeared then? Right? This all means that there were never 10 lost/disappeared tribes of Israel after all, right?

2. Ignorance is really not bliss that you would think to revel in it. 😑

DaddyCoool:
➜See below

You are not paying attention at all, are you? Go back through my previous comment again. 😂😂😂😂😂

✹ By the way, there are 12 tribes of Israel. 3 of the 12 tribes make up the Jewish tribes of Israel — Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. (This happens to be the tribes that formed the nation of Judah after the death of Solomon.) As at the time that Jesus Christ of Israel lived in the nation of Judah, we can confirm that lived there in that land members of a fourth tribe — the Samaritans who are descendants of Joseph— Ephraim, and Manasseh. So when did these 10 tribes you speak of go missing? (my guess is by lost, you are not using the Scriptural meaning of the term but rather contemporary meaning here.) That is a total of 4 tribes at least living in Judah as of the 1st century AD.

So, when exactly did the 10 tribes, according to you, disappear? Who disappeared them? How did they disappear? You understand what the word disappear means, right? 😐😐😐😐

Also, the word Disappeared/Lost does not mean the same as Exiled since Exiled simply means you have been booted out of your own land or country, but that does not mean you are missing or lost.

DaddyCoool:
➜Like I said I hope I'm not chatting with someone rather slow. 10 tribes of Israel were described as "lost"
➜How did the lost tribes of Israel get lost ("a nation of people completely vanish off of the face of the earth"} and stay lost till today?

1. Interesting religious tales by moonlight! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

By the way, there are 12 tribes of Israel. 3 of the 12 tribes make up the Jewish tribes of Israel — Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. (This happens to be the tribes that formed the nation of Judah after the death of Solomon.) As at the time that Jesus Christ of Israel lived in the nation of Judah, we can confirm that lived there in that land members of a fourth tribe — the Samaritans who are descendants of Joseph— Ephraim, and Manasseh. So when did these 10 tribes you speak of go missing? (my guess is by lost, you are not using the Scriptural meaning of the term but rather contemporary meaning here.) That is a total of 4 tribes at least living in Judah as of the 1st century AD.

So, when exactly did the 10 tribes, according to you, disappear? Who disappeared them? How did they disappear? 😐😐😐😐

2. You should be the one telling me since you are the one propagating this religious lie in this context. I am interested in learning how you were able to come to believe them to be lost.

DaddyCoool:
✹Which is why your own eyes and senses override anything written in any book. Example, let's say you believe God is deeply involved in human affairs. And from READING the Bible you determine that worship of Christ as God is blasphemy and a great sin against God. But you KNOW he was raised by same God from the dead knowing fully well he'd be worshipped as God. And 2000+ years later you observe all those who worship him have been exploded in numbers, prosperity, and influence for 2000+ years!

This is bullsheet! It makes no sense at all!

Again, Jesus Christ of Israel and His Father together proclaim they are of Israel alone. Meaning that if I am not of the bloodline, I waste my time attempting to worship both Jesus Christ of Israel and His Father, YHWH — God of Israel. All attempts at worshipping them are in vain because they do not receive worship from anyone who is not of the Jacob bloodline; this is non-negotiable and very simple. So, why do you feel you can impose your vanity —useless religion — on him regardless?

DaddyCoool:
✹We KNOW it was the same man because his closest who KNEW him very well could tell it was the same exact Spirit - though the body could have been "glorified"

On what grounds were those closest to him able to rightly judge the man as having the same spirit as He did before His death and resurrection though? Did it not have to do with their resolving that the man resurrected from the dead continued to proclaim the very same teachings, promises, declarations, experiences, etc. made by the spirit before the man's death and resurrection?

DaddyCoool:
● I notice you are hung up on certain terms and words - like gentile or lost sheep of Israel! You probably read a little bit of something somewhere. Hence the saying, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
● Oga, unless you invent your own language, we all know what we mean when we say "gentile". See the definition below!
● Why do you think the Samaritans were no longer considered among the chosen people by the South?
● Were you there when he declared it? Coming of Christ was foretold in many places in the Bible (see some below). Bearing in mind the bible is to be taken as a whole, list for us places where it says he was coming for only house of Isrel.
● Then look at Revelation and notice it's talking in terms of the world not just Irael!

I am not hung on them but rather in contextual integrity which is necessary when reading any text out there written by humans in human language including this one.

2. Human language rules exist for unifying understanding. We do not all know the meaning of the word since you keep insisting that the definition given to the word by the authors of the books thousands of years ago should be ignored for more contemporary meaning which derives mostly from religious intentions removed from that indicated by the authors. Surely, you can see how silly that is.

3. No longer considered among the chosen people by whom? Jesus Christ of Israel went to and preached directly to the Samaritans who were descendants of Ephraim — Joseph's Son—, so how can you claim they were no longer chosen when Jesus Christ of Israel by the Word of His Father, YHWH, God of Israel went directly to them to ensure they were made His followers?

4. The thing about the word EVERLASTING is that one does not have to be there to at least be able to assert its meaning.

5. If John, who wrote the book of dreams called the Book of Revelation was himself submitted to Jesus Christ of Israel, tell me how can there exist a different meaning in John's assertions from that formerly proclaimed by His Master and Lord?

DaddyCoool:
4) Asking you again, since the biblical Israelites are gone does it mean God no longer exists??

Gone how? Are you OK? How can a nation of people completely vanish off of the face of the earth without even a record of that in fact happening? The book instead insists that they were scattered across all of the earth, but your lazy-minded conclusion is instead that they are gone. For what purpose or reason did you reach this inane conclusion?

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✹YHWH — God of Israel — announced beginning in the books of Moses —Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy— that He would eventually scatter the Israelites to all the four corners as a result of their disobedience, and then after a time He would gather them back to Himself. This message is recounted by many of His prophets. After the death of Solomon, the original nation of Israel created by Moses, was divided into two nations — the northern nation of Israel and the southern nation of Judah- 1 Kings 11-13. The first scattering was announced by Isaiah and Amos and took place at the time the Assyrian army destroyed the northern nation of Israel, killed some of the population and scattered the rest out as slaves to other nations- 728-720BC. The second scattering took place as the prophets including Jesus Christ announced in the latter part of the 1st century —beginning around 70AD—when the Roman empire destroyed Jerusalem and Judah along with several other nations in the area.

DaddyCoool:
3) At His death Christ was literally FINISHED in capital letters. He had no money, no influence, no church building, no high connections, and even his closest friends were denying him. But his resurrection CHANGED everything - from dead and finished to being worshiped as God, till today!

Again, if everything he stood — His birth, His promises, teachings, declarations, His experiences with His Father, etc. — turned to dust — was rendered null and void — then surely you can see that it is erroneous to claim that the man who was resurrected was the same man who had died.

DaddyCoool:
2) You yourself said the Bible has contradictions. You were not there when any of those words were said, then forgotten, partially remembered years later and written, severally translated, then went through all sorts of processes before finally put in the form that finally got to you. So if you interprete the word "world" to mean "lost sheep of Israel" based on a single verse, and then go on to say that's the only people Christ came to save from their sins, but you look around you and see for mighty works and movements of Christ in various churches of the world, listen carefully, BELIEVE YOUR EYES!!!

The fact that the book contains some contradictory claims/opinions DOES NOT then bestow on you or anyone's power to add, remove, or change what is written though. The moment you resort to doing that— adding your fantasies wherever you please, removing ideas you are not comfortable with or even changing things up to fit your particular preferences all while abandoning the original message intended by the individual authors of the books— you are no longer within the realm of the book but writing an entirely different book altogether. That is the ridiculousness of religion... all of them.

DaddyCoool:
➜1) EVERY group that claims to be the biblical Israelites today freely intermarry with Gentiles - which of course nullifies any "chosen people" claim as God requires pure blood. Result; ALL biblical Jews are lost!

Three things to show that your statement above is born of utter ignorance of that which is in fact contained in Israelite Scripture.

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✹The term gentile, right from its very first use in the book of Genesis 10, is used to refer to people who are all members of the same bloodline aka family.

2 Japheth’s sons were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.
3 Gomer’s sons were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 Javan’s sons were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.[a]
5 All the people who lived in the area around the Mediterranean Sea came from these sons of Japheth. The people separated and went to different countries according to languages, families, and nations. -Genesis 10 vs 2 - 5

IT was first used about the family of Japheth, I believe he was the father of the Arabs. And was later on used about the family of Jacob — meaning those who are of the bloodline of Jacob just as YHWH made clear through His Prophets.

✹Purity of bloodline as stipulated in the Law of Moses while living in the Canaan did not restrict the Israelites from intermarrying. Intermarriage was specifically prohibited between the people of Israel at the time in the land of Canaan and the people of the listed nations.

1 “The Lord your God will lead you into the land that you are entering to take for your own. He will force out many nations for you—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—seven nations greater and more powerful than you.
2 The Lord your God will put these nations under your power. And you will defeat them. You must destroy them completely. Don’t make an agreement with them or show them mercy.
3 Don’t marry any of them, and don’t let your sons or daughters marry any of the people from those other nations.
4 If you do, they will turn your children away from following me. Then your children will serve other gods, and the Lord will be very angry with you. He will quickly destroy you! - Deuteronomy 7 vs 1 - 4

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✹ For the umpteenth time, Jesus Christ of Israel declared to His disciples that He was sent ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel by His Father, YHWH, God of Israel, who is recorded to have declared them His Lost sheep.

11 The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12 If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13 I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14 I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15 Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.
16 “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.” - Ezekiel 34 vs 1....31

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Ignorance is not bliss!

AbuTwins:
➜Stop the capping! You said he is God of Israel alone!

But. I did not write Deuteronomy 32 where He declared that Jacob is His people and His inheritance in the land of men. It is in the Book of the Law where He declared this Himself. I also did not write much of the same book of Deuteronomy where YHWH, over and over, declared that He chose them, the people of Israel, as His own, irrespective of their conduct but rather on grounds of the promise He made to their ancestors, a fact repeated over and over by His Prophets.

AbuTwins:
➜YHWH? Why is God refusing to pronounce His name to you?
➜And up till now Holy Spirit hasn't been able to solve the YHWH/YHVH debacle!
➜How is it God of Israel alone when it is stated that "Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is there anything too difficult for Me?” Jeremiah 32:27
➜Also Exodus 3:14 - God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation
➜Abeg who is right you or your Bible? It seems those people worshiped a nameless God YHWH!

1. Does he refuse to pronounce his own name? Who fed you this ridiculous tale?

2. Where did you get that from? Who fed you that other ridiculous nonsense?

3. He is the God of all flesh after all He created all flesh including those who refused to worship Him. However, He also declared that He is God of Israel and that the people He named Israel would be His only inheritance in the land of man; He did this by giving His contract/agreement/Law only to those of the blood of man called Jacob. Is He, as God, not allowed to do this?

4. Indeed. He is YHWH, God of Israel , and the men Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Shem, Balaam, etc., all served Him according to His plan called Israel. Are you having a problem with the use of the name Israel or something? Recall, I had originally mentioned that that name came, not from men, but from YHWH Himself. If that name came from YHWH Himself, do you realize that it means the plan called Israel probably existed with YHWH even before man was made? Are you able to fathom at least that much?

5. Something tells me there is some serious language comprehension issue going on here. Again, If Noah served a God who chose him(Noah) specifically for His plan which is Israel, and Abraham and Moses served a God who also chose them(Abraham and Moses) specifically for His plan which is Israel then clearly the God they all served was YHWH, the God of Israel.

DaddyCoool:
➜ Your problem once again is that you are totally reliant on what is WRITTEN in a book as opposed to what you can see with your own eyes. It is like me writing a long thesis as to why a certain color is black when you can see with your own eyes that it is white!
➜There are powerful movements of the LIVING Christ and Spirit of God in various Christian churches around the world and you're here arguing "lost sheep of Israel".
➜Aren't ALL of biblical Israel now lost? Then what? Therefore Christ/God no longer exists?
➜Know one thing: the DEATH and resurrection of Christ CHANGED almost everything. So when you talk, talk in terms of before and after that death!

1. So, basically, even though the man called Jesus Christ of Israel lived and gave His Law and Final Word almost 2000 years ago, declaring those Words EVERLASTING — Unchanging — you believe instead that those words are not reliable and need to be supplemented by that which you instead see with your own eyes?

2. How can these movements that you submit to be ever-changing be considered connected to the same Jesus Christ of Israel who instead declared that His Word and that of His Fathers are unchanging?

3. Who fed you this nonsense tale that all biblical Israelites are now lost? How did you reach this conclusion of yours? Are you insinuating that the YHWH of Israel, the Father of Jesus Christ of Israel, made a mistake when He chose the Israelites as His own, even going as far as to declare that He would scatter them to all four corners of the world and eventually gather them back to Himself when the time is right? Are you insinuating that the God of Israel —YHWH— after deliberately scattering His Israel, lost them and no longer knows them or where each of them is even as we speak?

4. If the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ of Israel, according to you, rendered null and void —changed — everything Jesus Christ of Israel declared beforehand, then wouldn't it be safe to conclude then that whatever it was that took place after His death cannot then be linked back to the same Jesus Christ of Israel before these events? Wouldn't it equally mean that all of his promises, teachings, commandments, experiences, etc., before His death are rendered of no meaning...

I can go on but truly you understand how inane these ideas you hold can truly be. Something tells me that you are each aware but refuse to accept or broach it for fear that you might learn the truth or at least the foolishness of these ideas you hold to.

dkidd:
➜Yes he was not a Jew but as a founder of the Jewish nation he can be considered one and being that God called him out after he had married Sarai ( Sarah) he probably married her the mesopotamian way. So yeah U are right this time

Abraham DID NOT found the Jewish tradition. YHWH's calling of Abraham was entirely different from YHWH's call of the Israelites and eventually the Jewish tribes among them.

At the time that the nation of Israel was created by the YHWH—God of Israel—, the Israelites had been in captivity for over 420 years in Egypt, enough time for the tribes that later went on to be known as the Jewish tribes to adopt ideas that had nothing to do with the traditions of the land that Abraham came from. There was barely anything Abraham left of the people at the time except for the blood in their veins. That is one of the major reasons why YHWH had to demand a mass circumcision campaign while they were in the desert.

AbuTwins:
✓ So which God did Abraham,Moses and Noah served and worshipped?

According to Him, He is YHWH, God of Israel alone. He gave the name Israel to the Israelites via their father, Jacob, saying they are the people who are called by His name.

If Noah served a God who chose Him specifically for His plan which is Israel and Abraham and Moses served a God who also chose them specifically for His plan which is Israel then clearly the God they all are ed was YHWH, the God of Israel. 🤔