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MYGODISNOTWEAK:
John 3:16

Try instead John 3 vs 14 through 20 to see that the statement was made by Jesus Christ regarding the Israelites -- the same to whom the bronze snake was raised in the desert. He basically used that statement to insist that it is that very same world -- the world comprised of the Israelites(blood line of Jacob) that He was sent by His Father.

KosiGee:
✓ If any Nigerian or foreigner living in china does this to the Chinese yuan! Do you have any idea what would’ve happened to the stupid individual?
✓ Chinese people living in Nigeria and some parts of Africa have a history of disrespecting the people and the continent.
✓ Those people should’ve dealt with the idi ot more savagely.

I can bet that ordinary Chinese people would not have manhandled him in the manner shown in the video. Rather, Chinese law enforcement would probably have been called in immediately. Can we please stop fishing around for excuses for that which should have been done away with the last century?

2. They easily do so because Nigerians equally have little to no respect for their own country and people. It is really that simple so why attempt to lump all blame on them as if that becomes OK to do?

3. Savagely? Meaning you are equally OK and at home with the way your own leaders and law enforcement deals savagely with you and yours in Nigeria as well, right? 😩

And when the Chinese Government finally steps in on behalf of their citizens whom they wish protected from the Nigerian barbaric way of life, you all whine about how you too would like to be valued by your own government. No be so?

1stDoggystyle:
✓ If you tore an American dollar you can be shot. I hope you know
✓ Anyone who “alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens” coins can face fines or prison time

Shot by whom? Na movie you dey confuse with real life?

2. So what part of that says one can be shot or manhandled by a mob? Assault /manhandling of any kind by the same Law you quote from is a crime.

FourQu:
So UltraSolid tried to play on our intelligence here?
Chai, what a bateria

Even I am stunned by the many Bullsheet claims he made. Imagine the audacity of the 419 attempt 😩😩😩😩

Burruchaga71:
Only an IDIOT would recognize DRUGGIE as his president.

the moment You decided not to fight for your stolen mandate is the moment you recognized him as your president.

Captain4Jehovah:
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My point is that doing the will of Jesus Christ is the criterion which guarantees one salvation ultimately. The Roman Catholic Church, Protestant Church, Puritan Church, Pentecostal Church or whatever the name of the church have nothing to proof before Jesus regarding our aspirations and salvation in Him.

Jesus Christ of Israel never said this which you claim. And to your other statement regarding your churches, Jesus Christ made abundantly clear that the dogs will trample that which is Holy -- guaranteed. That invariably means that all your churches operate based on trampled/unholy aka antichrist ideas.

Inosky:
✓ It's not a claim, it's the true reality. The autocratic regime is backed by all the armed equipment and arsenals. Again, he has infiltrated a very large population with tribalistic and religious sentiments which they bought. So, the discerning minds who saw what actually happened will be seen as escape goats if they try to protest.
✓ Making unity of purpose highly impossible is the strategy and they have succeeded.

Rubbish! 😩

2. And more Rubbish! He is making unity highly impossible as though unity was ever top on una agenda to begin with😩😩😩😩

EmperorCaesar:
✓ You complain about everything
You think he'd nit have gotten a worse treatment if he had done this in the U.S or the U.K ? Do you know what a country's currency note symbolizes?
If he wasnt manhandled, same you would have been happy to see him ridicule us and go scot-free and even tied to to our being a 'third world country'
Rest, Dozie

Likely not or everyone implicated would likely face jail term. You do not manhandle anyone and expect to get away with it in the U.S. No one is above the reach of the law and everyone is aware of it.

There is absolutely no excuse for the man handling of the man.😩

floss:
I think yahoo boys should focus on our politicians and government, they’re the ones with the bread now

They can't because their own cowardice is no different from that of Book Haram and other terrorists who would rather attack the poor and weak than focus their attention on the political class and their assets bought with stolen money

SmartPolician:
Like I said earlier, Nigeria's motto ought to be loot your own when you have the opportunity. Looting na turn by turn 🥱😁😉

That already seems to be the motto of every one in the Nigerian society to date.

Bebigiby1:
✓ Yes it is not the final or ultimate solution but it is a pathway to it.... I understand that you've given up on this generation already based on your submission.
✓ I believe a partial separation (restructuring) or full separation (Division) is better than doing nothing, it is achievable and will go a long way in helping Nigeria address most of these issues....

Given up? These people are part of the genesis....the carrier generation -- of the problem that I described. And as you noted, their kind of psychosis is on a massive level, with near no end in sight. There is no me giving up on them as instead they have refused to fight for better for themselves. You can't force a horse to drink after you have led it to a stream.

2. Earlier, I painted a clear picture of how this problem is made even more pronounced when you take a look at life at the individual LGA levell in Nigeria. Yet here you are still insisting that some sort of partial separation will fix things. There are 774 partially separated LGAs as we speak and absolutely none of them can boast of functioning systems to date.

You may think yourself removed from the mass psychosis you described earlier but if you paid more attention to the disconnect in your reasoning, you may find that you are yourself closer to it than you would like to admit.

Tayorshd87:
✓ US import rate is like 30% unlike Nigeria that's we are or survive 98% through import and no nation can develop with such 🤔
✓ All our lives and daily survival are base on import so when are we going to become America 🤔 and be part of the developed countries 🤔

Why would Nigeria, a country that invests little of nothing into local production be compared in any way or form to the U.S, a country with invests heavily into local production of goods?

2. Well, the reason for that is simple. You don't produce what you need locally hence the reason why you need to import it from outside still..if cutting imports is what you desire, then the solution is simply to begin investing heavily in locally producing what you need. Those needs -- the demand for goods --- remain whether you like it or not. The key is to use it to the advantage of local industries.

bdon123:
✓ In s world of espionage there is no former asset.if u were an asset,they will support u to d highest form of any organization so u can giv dem information.do u know wat it means for CIA to hav d president of d most populous black nation on earth as its asset?tink abt d ramifications....d intelligence gathering

Storyland !! I😩

Namigotalktru:
✓ Okay let’s break it down. Every time Nigeria or even other African countries get good leaders they die mysteriously or by “opposition” funded by foreign governments.
This particular country is known for destabilising others to achieve control of trade and geographical area.
✓ That is why they are fighting Russia, beefing China and irritated with India. It is why they beefed Cuba, Iraq and Libya. It is why they are beefing Iran. Any country where they don’t control the leadership
✓ They have the mentality it should only be them as a superpower so keep destroying other systems/leaders to prevent growth and prosperity.

1. When ever did Africa get good leaders? Whenever I'm history has Nigeria ever been graced with a good leader? 😩

2. Fighting China and Russia? Are you people OK at all? 😩

3. Gosh! Who did this to you all? 🤔

jaxxy:
✓ A country without 70% functioning laws and systems is a zoo.
She is right.

🤔 A zoo is in fact organized meaning their are functional laws and systems in place.

Bebigiby1:
@... I am waiting for a solution oriented reply from you to my last post

Solution? What you prescribed earlier isn't a solution though since it has already been tried before and was found wanting. So why expect a solution from me? I merely know where the problem that you described as though as mass psychosis in fact comes from. The solution... yeah... not for the current generation at all.

Bebigiby1:
■ I blame the system that is currently in place and not really the tribalistic majority or the opportunistic corrupt politicians that are benefitting from it..... Seem you misunderstood me as what I am trying to say is that Nigeria is running on a faulty system that can not work for the people, it brings out the worst in Nigerians and always divides them..... I am totally convinced that no progress can be made unless that system is modified or removed..... The mass political psychosis among Nigerians will only get worse as greedy selfish politicians like Tinubu et al continue to push divisive propaganda to take advantage of the disunity among Nigerians and plunder the nation's resourses.... I've made my point regarding the best way out for Nigerians. Can you proffer a solution or suggest ways these issues can be tackled instead of your continued microscopic defeatist rebuttal to my posts
■ I want to read your thoughts on how best to handle this situation..... In your own words "....The Nigerian people who have yet to lift a single finger to fight for that which you claim they want?...." Why do you think Nigerians are like this? Do you believe there is hope of anything changing for the better? For the minority who do not share in the foolishness of the majority and can not japa but are stuck in Nigeria what do you suggest they should do?
Will like to read your thoughts on these issues....

1. Mental problems are not that easily blamed on others or systems. So, no point abeg! Not every Nigerian from that system is tribalistic and bigoted even though the vast majority turned out that way, so it is a copout of sorts to try to blame it on the system when it is more of individual psychosis.

2. My simple conclusion is that our value systems in Nigeria, and much of Africa are utterly worthless particularly where it has to do with personal and societal development. The society and educational system have been wrong for a long time and that is why we rarely raise people who put society and the welfare of others before their selfish desires and goals. Even at the tribal and traditional level, the very same is obtained. It's a no-brainer then why at the national level, all we have is the same mirror shone back at society. That's been my thought since my days growing up in Nigeria and it remains the same even today. Until we reconfigure our value system at the bottom, Nigerians will continue in the same part even if you were to divide it up this very day into over 250 different pieces— a piece for every ethnic group.

kkins25:
■ They use it to fund "I better pass my neighbor" projects.

That is pretty much what the majority of Nigerians in Nigeria live for. They are mostly carbon copies of their politicians only without the opportunity to loot at the same level.

Mom007:
■ Pointless point. Again Mr braveheart, what have you done? what action have you taken? It is said that it is from the house of a 'coward' that you point out where the brave man's house used to be.
■ The activists that went before us, where are they and what did they accomplish? Who silenced them? Why did their movement die down? Whenever there is a force for good, these people silence them or frustrate them out of office like they did president jonathan. Fulani herdsmen in the bush with more sophisticated weapons and communication equipment than our army, who equips them?. How about the guy that was to run against tinubu way back then before he became lagos president? Was he not murdered? By whom? I have noticed you on this nl... always trying to sound intelligent and enlightened but always ending up sounding like an empty barrel bereft of any real substance. I will not indulge your foolishness again.

1. But I am not the one here attempting to shift blame onto others though. You are! 😂😂😂😂😂

2. Then why not proudly proclaim yourself a coward and beat your chest boldly at that? That makes more sense with this write-up of yours than coming here to try to tell us it is all the CIA's fault or the USA to blame for your choice not to do anything at all. It only makes you seem more pathetic, despicable, and maybe even wormy! 😣😣😣😣😣

Bebigiby1:
■ I am of the opinion that there exists a mass political psychosis in Nigeria due to the centralized power structure that is been adopted within the various tiers of government.... [b]Because of inherent tribalistic instincts of the average Nigerian, many people are automatically conditioned to focus at the center (Federal Government) when benchmarking and evaluating government performance. You can not blame them per say as so much power and resouces is concentrated at the center (Federal Government). [/b]This is why the person who gets to occupy the office of president is seen as a mini god in eyes of Nigerians, he is seen as one who can do and undo....

That sounds more like an excuse than anything else actually. Yes, the FG has a lot of power, however, it is not the only power in the country at all, and neither is it the government will the only say when it comes to the lives and livelihood of the people at the bottom. That you describe the average Nigerian as tribalistic and hence inordinately distracted by that which he/she should not be is to attempt to shift blame for the problems individual Nigerians have— albeit what seems a majority — on the Government. I mean what you described seems more like a psychological problem than anything else.

Bebigiby1:
■ You are right, my opinion is not popular among the majority and has not been accepted by the majority till now because even before the 2023 presidential election, I had decided to embark on a personal campaign to enlighten and convince the majority regarding the need to look beyond useless elections that are always rigged in finding a lasting solution to Nigeria's prioblems.... I do not support any of the popular candidates (Atiku, Obi or Tinubu) or even believe that participating in presidential election can bring about any positive change to Nigeria.... I've always maintained my stand on the notion that Nigeria has a foundational problem....
■ As they say good things sometimes require great patience and effort to achieve, I believe that what we post on popular platforms like Nairaland is been read by many Nigerians so even though currently it appears to be a hopeless cause to galvanise the majority to see the need to change the status quo, I believe that there is hope due to the fact that many Nigerians login to these platforms to read these posts....
■ This is why I've continued to engage and air my opinion regarding Nigeria's issues on these social platforms believing that hopefully, one day Nigerians will see the need to fight for their future.... Tinubu's presidency has reinforced my ealrier conviction that Nigeria can not work for the people in it's current form unless it is without totally restructured or divided.... I will hold on to that hope and continue to air views until maybe Nigeria is saved or it is totally destroyed.... Above all, it is the Nigerian people that will decide the fate of Nigeria....

1. 🤔

2. Let's for the sake of discussion pretend that this idea of yours qualifies as a good idea and this statement you hold applies, are we to believe that this great patience and effort comes from you posting this disconnected logic of yours — it is indeed disconnected from the reality of life and living for Nigerians in Nigeria to this moment—on Nairaland? Has there been any time in the history of Nigeria or Africa when this sort of galvanization has ever occurred and been classified as good by the majority? Cause at the end of the day, we are dealing with the Nigerian people here and not aliens. 😏

3. The vast majority of Nigerians in Nigeria don't even have a clue what it means to fight for their kin and kids — their own flesh and blood—let alone the future. So, is this hope of yours for this generation or for a future generation to come... that is typically what people who share the same view as you usually admit to after all is said and done. 🤔

ebukal67x:
A country that can function sanely and effectively doesnt have the luxury of these kinds of conversations.

That country can only exist if the people are willing to fight to make that happen and stand by it. Nigerians, the people, are not interested in any of the sort though as clearly indicated by the OP. So?

Bebigiby1:
■ I am only sharing my final thoughts on what is best for Nigerians, I do not how Nigerians will achieve it or what they want as a people....
■ The truth is that Nigerians are wasting their time as nothing good can come from forcing a union that can not work..... I am totally convinced that Nigeria needs to be totally restructured or divided.... Nothing can solve the country's problem until it is done....

There has to exist a direct connection between this final thought of yours and the reality of things as they exist. That connection is entirely missing from all of your write-ups so far.

2. There are 774 local government areas in Nigeria... municipalities where if the people truly wished for progress, they could easily begin making it happen for themselves as is. To date, none of those 774 municipalities can boast of any of the following
■ Clean water supply to homes
■ Robust sewage and water management system
■ Effective Waste management system
■ Good schools with world-standard educational and Skills training services
■ Internet connectivity in both homes and businesses
■ Electricity supply to homes and businesses(through building of dams, use of wind turbines, and better distribution services)
■ World Standard equipped Healthcare network
■ Sturdy road network complete
■ Passenger Rail system linking at least the major towns and cities
■ Network of Libraries with free access to members of the public to support learning
■ Better prison facilities and rehabilitation programs
■ Expansion of police-community programs to help capture crimes across all parts of the state.
■ Robust Gas transmission network for the direct piping of gas into homes. , etc.

And this is all despite the billions in remissions sent back to Nigeria year after year by people abroad. So, what makes you think that division of Nigeria is the answer to development at the local level where nothing really stopping that even today.

Bebigiby1:
I am totally convinced that Nigeria needs to be totally restructured or divided.... Nothing can solve the country's problem until it is done....

What totally convinced you that this is even a good solution in a country where according to you, the vast majority — scattered across every tribe, every ethnic group, every religious group, etc.— are not wiling to lift a single finger to do anything to change the status quo? Aren't you sort of projecting your private delusions as a solution instead?

Bebigiby1:
■ It is hopeless to keep pretending that Nigeria can function as a sane country or attain any meaningful progress
■ when a majority of it's citizens are deeply biased, sentimentally compromised towards holding their government accountable, when a majority of it's citizens are incapable of admitting the truth about a crime committed irrespectful of the tribe of the person involved due to deep rooted tribal hateful sentiments ..... Tinubu's shameful presidency lays credence to the fact that the APC propaganda machine have won and Nigeria's enemies are laughing at Nigerians.... Since majority of the people have become hopelessly lost to tribalism, religious bigotry corruption and dishonesty to the point they can longer tell themselves the truth or reason like normal human beings,
■ Nigerians have only 2 options to choose if they want to salvage what is left of their country. First option - Weaken the centralized government by decentralizing political and economic power structures to devolve to regions,/states..... Second option - Divide the country so it's regions can go separate ways.... Anything short of these 2 options is a waste of time... Nigeria's unity is a scam, Nigeria's unity is a mirage..... it's a shame.....

1. It's hopeless pretending? Who is pretending though? The Nigerian people who have yet to lift a single finger to fight for that which you claim they want? Or the Politicians who are very much at home with things — the people's reaction and the free loot they continue to nab— as they are?

2. The majority of citizens who do absolutely nothing cut across pretty much every tribe and group in that Nation. So, who are you trying to save? A minority who really have no place of their own anywhere in that nation among any single group? COME ON!!

3. Considering what you typed earlier, this amounts to a bullsheet conclusion. Again, the majority you described earlier belong to every tribe, every religion, every group, and every divide in that nation. They have no desire whatsoever to fight for change or anything of the sort since they are at home with all that exists as is. So, why do you keep pushing these disconnected ideas as solutions?

Cognitive dissonance na craze ooo! 😶😶😶😶😶

Bebigiby1:
I know that is why I am making the case for Nigerians to restructure or divide the country so you can enjoy your president in peace and let others who do not want him to move on.....

That makes no sense!

The people refuse to lift even a finger to impeach him but somehow magically you conclude that what is needed is for the country to be restructured and divided. What is up with the way you all reason? Who's gonna make that happen if not the same comatose people who refuse to impeach the Tinubu you are against? Or are you seriously trying to say that the politician in office today would somehow grow a conscience and hand you a divided Nigeria on a platter or something? Wake the fk up abeg!

GothamCities:
■ Seems you don't know what Protestants and Reformation is all about.
■ Are you kidding me? We do not believe or practice the same things as the Roman Catholics.
■ You don't even know the Babylonian cult to be able to make the difference.
■ You're just too ignorant.

1. Its you who lacks an understanding of what really took place during the so-called Reformation and how and why Christianity, even with its over 45,000 branches that have shot out since then all retain and continue many of the same doctrines and traditions associated with its mother church, the Catholic Church.

2. That is the lie you tell yourselves but the fact is most of your traditions today can easily be traced back to the Catholic Church. Even your offering collection rituals are from the Catholic church.

3. I don't need to know of a Babylonian cult as all I need to know is Babylon mentioned in Scripture and what the God of Israel accused the Jews — Israelites as well —came away from Babylon with. That religion and everything put on top of it amounts to Paganism —antiChrist — where the God of Israel is concerned.

4. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I am far from the ignorant one in these things.

GothamCities:
■ My friend, you didn't prove any of your claims with Scriptures. You were only mentioning verses and explaining them in the most heretical manner.
■ On your second point, I have told you that the Church is fully aware of the evils committed by the Roman Catholics and has reformed, has kept reforming and would continue to reform. The Church has long departed from the occultic rites of Roman Catholicism.

This statement of yours makes absolutely no sense! I simply quoted what is written in Scripture as is written. If you think that is heretical to do then it means you don't accept what is in fact stated in Scripture to begin with.

2. Balderdash! Your churches are founded upon the same doctrines and traditions of the Catholic Church. The so-called Reformation was merely a farce by those who wished to have a piece of the power and glamour that formerly belonged only to the Catholic Church. The foundation of their so-called reformation is the same foundation drawn by the Catholic church, most of their doctrines and traditions are the same, except for the fact that they claim to have been reformed. Yes, all 45,000 denominations of Christianity today, including those of the Catholic Church, all share the same functional doctrines and traditions. So, stop deceiving yourself thinking you deceive others by it.

GothamCities:
■ You should boldly state the evidences for which you claim. Do not hide behind a such irresponsible words as "it's right there in the Gospels" or "It is clearly indicated by the entire history of the religion".
■ Be bold for once and put forward your evidences.

I did that earlier but you reject the Gospels as Jesus Christ made clear those who would adopt doctrines and traditions of men — Religion — would. So, your particular problem here has nothing to do with me.

2. I also did that when I pointed out that the Pagans, some of them Romans, eventually set up a religion by which to manipulate the minds of people and also gain power and prestige for themselves amongst the people of the time. They cooked up stories of all kinds to associate themselves in any way possible with at least the apostles whose stories were never again to be heard of after the end came in 70 AD. That eventually paid dividends for many of them when the religion was made the official religion of Rome by Constantine who equally wanted to get in on the political importance of the religion at the time.

GothamCities:
■ You'll do well to go and read and see that the Church discovered the lies and satanism in Catholicism a long time ago
■ and therefore dropped all catholic traditions
■ that were taken from the Babylonian cults.

😂😂😂😂 Which church discovered which lies? The same churches that built their foundation on that which was Catholicism— doctrines and traditions— before them abi which one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

2. How could they have dropped that which is still part and parcel of the belief system even to this day?

3. Taken from Babylonian cults? Religion, in the form of what is called Judaism today, is what the Jews— the Nation of Judea, the sister nation of the former nation of Israel — took from the Babylonians when they were there in captivity. And that is the tradition that even Pentecostalism upholds to this day as Christianity is famously known to be modeled after Judaism before it, the very Religion Jesus Christ is known to have condemned even during HIs time.

GothamCities:
■ Why are you bent on telling lies! Tell us where the Catholics got the traditions of Imageries, rosaries, Queen of heaven, Mary the mother of God and all the paganisms they do. You need to tell us the beginning of such traditions from Christ or His disciples and how exactly the Roman Catholics have continued it. Since you said the tradition was CONTINUED by the Roman Catholics, you must tell us from whom they continued it with sound historical references.

You are not paying attention at all. 🤔

The Catholics invented most of their doctrines and traditions by way of their many twists and lies which are not found anywhere within scripture. Even the idea of the cross as a sacred symbol was invented by the Catholics. The idea of the book you carry around called your Bible is some sort of "Holy" book that should be revered and never tossed, torn, or burned... all ideas that came from the Catholics. Many of your prayer rituals, and ceremonies in your Pentecostal churches came from the Catholic traditions as well.