₦airaland Forum

Drella:
■ Remember those type of jobs require little to no training. Some can lift 90kg without training for it, some can't. Those who can't don't necessarily have ill-health or indiscipline, periodt!

All I can tell you is that you stop lying to yourself then.

It is all about the mind and self-discipline! I can't lift 90kg as is but barring the existence of any health problems, if I trained myself well, I would be able to given I have the right build for it.

Drella:
■ Nigerians doing it in Nigeria don't have the qualifications to work a better job. Some do it well into their old ages.
■ But Nigerians doing such jobs abroad usually have qualifications for better jobs. They are only doing it till they get a work permit or something.
■ You can't compare doing a job almost permanently in Nigeria with doing that job just temporarily abroad. You should only compare permanent jobs in Nigeria with permanent jobs abroad.

This is all bullsheet and I am sure you know it!

► I know an Agricultural Science graduate doing exactly that in Lagos State. He was featured in a video on BBC not too long ago.
► Many of those who drive keke mopeds in Nigeria are university graduates who were not able to get jobs elsewhere in Nigeria.
► There are market women and men(some of them butchers) who have college degrees they can't do much else within Nigeria. I recall watching videos of a crayfish seller who was in fact a college Graduate, and the same applies to many who work as mechanics in Nigeria.

But what you are here attempting to shove down our throats is some like that graduates in Nigeria cannot do dishwashing, warehousing, cold room, or even chemical plant jobs in that same Nigeria? You dey Ok so?

2. They have qualifications for better jobs based on what exactly? If these qualifications they have could not afford them a better life and pay in Nigeria, why do you here assert that it should be worth a lot more than it does in Nigeria?

3. Workers who worked in a company where chemical plants are used — like Coca-Cola, Pfizer, Nestle, PZ—for 10 years or more in Nigeria are not to be compared with workers who did the same in a developed country. Workers who washed dishes in a boarding school cafeteria or even a Coca-Cola plant cafeteria for many many years should not be compared to workers who worked the same number of years washing dishes in the kitchens of a restaurant or school cafeteria or even the army kitchen in a developed country. Are you OK at all?

Drella:
■ You keep referring to Nigeria like it's a yardstick for measuring condition of working and living.
■ Nigeria can't even be used as a yardstick to measure standard of living and working among fellow third world countries.
■ If we are talking about US, stick to US. All those "in Nigeria" everytime expose your lack of argument prowess.

Instead I keep referring to Nigeria to point out the fact that these same jobs exist in Nigeria and there are NIgeians already doing them right there in Nigeria even to this day.

2. What makes you think it cannot or should not when we are on the subject of JAPA?

3. Again, the subject is JAPA... Nigerians moving abroad for a better life with that better being weighed against the life they are coming from which is life in Nigeria.

Drella:
■ His body was reacting to unfavorable work conditions, you're saying "ill-health and lack of discipline".
■ Is the human body created to be in those extremely cold conditions and to be standing for insane hours?
■ Even soldiers do develop health issues due to cold and some collapse due to long hours of standing on the parade ground.
■ It doesn't necessarily indicate ill-health or indiscipline. Some are just better at somethings than others.
■ I can bench-press 90kg barbell in the gym. Does that mean men who can't hit up to 90kg are indisciplined or have ill-health?

1. So, the millions of others who work those same jobs, their bodies did not have this reaction because they are not human bodies? Cut the bull abeg! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

2. News flash! The human body can adapt to some of the most adverse conditions out there. That is why many can work the same jobs he balks at for many years without the kind of complaints he has. It all means his particular problem was personal and not widespread.

3. How many of them quit as a result of that? Does the army simply let them walk out when that happens or urge them to push harder — in the case that no underlying health conditions are driving such breakdowns? Make una dey honest abeg!

4. It does and the army example is a good reason why we know this for a fact.

5. The answer is a resounding yes! Why? Because you had to train your mind and your body to the point that you now bench-press 90lbs. A person of similar build as you who DOES NOT train his mind and body to achieve that same goal cannot be reasonably expected to do the same. A person of similar build as you whose body is weak due to ill health or mental illness is likely not going to be able to achieve the same goal either.

None of this is rocket science!

Gboom:
■ If your relative abroad dashes you pound, will you reject it because he or she is taking care of challenged people

If her relative in that same Nigeria working with the mentally challenged dashed her money, would she reject it?

Yankee101:
■ Absolutely, but thiers is worse. No health insurance, fair wages, accident protection or good health care

Let's keep the ignorant statement of how it impacts their health aside, what do you think would happen if no one worked those jobs anymore?

SKILLZ64:
PAYING TEACHER 10K,20K PER MONTHS, WHY THE KIDS NO GO DULL?
The school I once went for interview, after taking three hot exams to know the level of skills, said d highest dey will pay me is 20k to teach JSS 1 to SS 3 🥺🥺
I just told them that I can't do it, I don't labor in vain.
I can never settle for less.
Na teachers dey do themselves in the name of “let me manage.”
I have passion to teach children.
Na this kind money dey make teacher they vex beat students anyhow and unnecessarily
When the complete 8 hrs daily 30 days hard work salary cannot buy 1/4 bag of rice...
TINUBU WHY?

These schools violate the Law which instead states that the minimum wage is Naira 70,000 for full-time employment(excluding those exempted).

Yankee101:
He is right. All of them are detrimental to your health directly Except maybe fire the plate washing

So, Nigerians in Nigeria who work the same jobs— probably under worse working conditions— equally do so at the expense of their health?

Abbypackaging:
■ Nigeria’s first lady, Senator Oluremi Tinubu has disclosed that her husband, President Bola Tinubu is not a greedy person, but one working to make Nigeria great again.
Speaking while paying homage to the Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi and other traditional rulers at the Ooni’s palace in Ile-Ife as part of her visit to commission 2.7km Oluremi Tinubu way and Pavilion inside Obafemi Awolowo University, she said the President is a contented person working for the progress of the country.
We know that subsidy has been removed but with God on our side in the next two years, Nigeria will be greater than this. Those who attempted removing subsidy before could not see it through. But with your prayers in the next two years, we will build a nation for the future.
“We give glory to God for our status, myself and my husband, we are not greedy but we thank God for what God has done for us. It is not common for rich people to get to this seat but I am grateful to God, we can not disappoint Nigeria and with the help of God, we are getting to the promised land in no distant time”.

This bigoted racist?

tiwasiaife:
■ Oga no dey Yan opata. I have worked in a food processing company abroad and I knew what I experienced. Infact to stand one place 2mins in the name of rest u see urself shaking. To maintain a little warm body, u have to be busy and constantly in motion whether u are tired or not.
■ I worked in ice section and I nearly got frost bite. I had to quit cos my body was never same no matter how many pants and shirts I put on.
I even use two handgloves. Only thing good was every wednesday you can take as many meat, fruit and other food items home.

What has your body's weakness due probably to ill-health on your part to do with the entire food industry which employs millions of workers who work tediously all day and sometimes into the evenings to ensure people are fed?

2. Again, what has your ill health and lack of stamina to do with the food industry abeg? My first job by the way was working the lines in a food factory. I stood most of the day and my body did not break down in the way you describe yours did. Even in the winter, we did the same job — wearing protective gear so we don't get wet and cold — and did not suffer any of what you claim you did. So why is your experience there which I believe is mostly due to your illness and possibly lack of discipline, the standard by which jobs in the food industry should be judged?

Alabule:
Impeach Tinubu and then who becomes the President? From Doom to Gloom.

Are you for real? The person wey dey there now no be from doom to gloom e don dey lead una since?

Cousin9999:
■ Like I said before, it's high risk. And just because it's a developed country, that doesn't mean you have nothing to worry about.
And some of these companies will hire illegal Mexicans that don't speak two words of English and definitely have no training. Even if all the other employees are safe, do you want to take chances with those dudes?
I'm simply saying I wouldn't take the risk. And I wouldn't advise anyone I care about to do it. Especially when you have a lot of options.

There are chemical plants and workers everywhere in the world including Nigeria. So, this worry you describe is not limited to workers in the developing world alone. However, the problem is less of a problem in the developing world where actual investigations are in many cases regularly carried out and those impacted are compensated.

If you argue that no one works in chemical companies altogether, then there is a serious problem because life in the 21st century depends to a great deal on those workers who work in those chemical companies. So, please if it does not work for you, let it simply be that iyt does not work for you. But you do no one any good unnecessarily alarming them about risks when we all need people who are willing to take such risks to do that job so we can survive in this world we live in. Yes, the 21st-century world you and I love to live in needs those risk-takers!

nasbiafra:
but you do know it is very impossible here in nigeria

■ It is impossible in your mind, not in Nigeria.

Quelme:
if that's the kinda job you do, I will advise you quit. Not good for you on the long run.

On what grounds? your IGNORANCE?

Your case reminds me of ignorant Nigerians who swear they cannot work as caregivers— my children will never work as caregivers, cleaning other people's butts and vomit —, but when they find they are sick and unable to care for themselves, they expect other people's children to come to help clean their poop and vomit because their kids won't do it.

Cousin9999:
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Were similar investigations carried out in a Nigerian chemical plant as well? Were the outcomes of the investigation you indicated similar to that in the Nigerian case? Or are you generally saying no one should work in a chemical plant altogether?

nasbiafra:
what am trying to say it is impossible for tinubu to be impeached,he will not allow such not that i do not want him to be impeached

Of course, it is expected that there will be resistance from all fronts. Impeachment has never been an easy thing even when it is the right thing.

Quelme:
you are not even clever by half. Just tell us say you dey abroad na. 🐄

Are you yourself not abroad?

nasbiafra:
inside this nigeria,tinubu prefer make war they than make them impeach am

Is Nigeria not already as bad as a war-torn state as it is? Please, lets dead the many excuses against common sense for the sake of the lives of Nigerians at least.

Quelme:
which one be nonsense? I'm only advising.

Advice given from a point of ignorance is instead an insult to the intelligence of those to whom it is given.

naijaboy756:
he can give 1m to everyone that wants to impeach him

■ Well, let's see him do it first.

Cousin9999:
These are all honest work, and no one should run from any of these jobs -- except the chemical position and working with certain machines. Why? It's a safety issue, and despite it being a developed country, not every company takes care of its employees and ensures they follow the right safety procedures and wear PPE.

OK, stop right there! These same jobs exist right there in Nigeria for those of you not aware of this. Are you somehow insinuating that working in a chemical plant in Nigeria is a lot safer than working in a chemical plant or drug company in a developed country? In most developed countries there are safety gears and protocols followed to ensure the safety of workers in these industries; gears and protocols are regularly updated. Benefits are provided to workers and compensation is also awarded in the case of work-related damages to their health. Can you say the same of the same work in Nigeria?

Abeg, make we dey do serious work cutting out the bull from the statements we post.

Calitoscassius:
Did someone say washing plates? With their hands? That's a lie! Most food outlets and hotels has dishwasher. No one washes plates with their hands in Hotles in Europe you wanna contaminate the plates with the bacteria on your hands? unless your own Europe is in Kosovo or Albania.

Not even in China do they do any of what the OP claims.

MasterTeeUSA:
They won't listen..as long as they japan. Security nko..Warehouse...omo...abroad no be joke lol

Nigerians wey dey work security, warehouse, cold room, chemical plants and even dishwashing jobs for Nigeria, many of them graduates as well, dem no be human beings?

yyba:
can you show me where I said Nigeria president or vice president will not be impeached constitutionally? Or you just rush to quote without reading and understand what I wrote

You attempted to claim the Constitution makes it impossible to have the president impeached.

yyba:
if you are really familiar with Nigeria constitution, Nigeria of today it's not possible to impeach president or vice president. Even to impeach governor now is not possible

These statements are obviously not true.

naijaboy756:
Akpabio would rather die than impeach Tinubu

Akpabio can be recalled according to Section 69 of the Constitution.

yyba:
if you are really familiar with Nigeria constitution, Nigeria of today it's not possible to impeach president or vice president. Even to impeach governor now is not possible

Rubbish! The Nigerian Constitution isn't the problem as it is instead clear that the president, his vice, governors, etc, can be impeached.

nwirinedu:
■ That's not information, it's called wrong data.

Okponu! It is wrong data because you wish to pretend the suffering of Nigerians in Nigeria does not matter and should mean absolutely nothing so you can score meaningless brownie points in a useless argument, abi?

nasbiafra:
agent of darkeness na all this people besuffer no just dey tire dem for nigeria

All of them na mumu! Very wicked human beings.

nwirinedu:
■ Nna what is your problem?

I am clearly not the one with the problem here since you are the one lacking the ability to critically process the information before you.

nwirinedu:
■ Abeg if you want to go abroad and pack cowshit so that you can be posting pictures of yourself wearing cheap jackets on x go ahead
I always tell people that slavery in Africa never ended, it just got modernized, your mentality is proof if this..

No be people dey pack cow shit, and blood, boil am sell for Nigeria? I know an Agricultural Science graduate doing exactly that in Lagos State. He was featured in a video on BBC not too long ago. So what are you here rambling abeg?

2. Many of those who drive keke moped in Nigeria are university graduates who were not able to get jobs elsewhere in Nigeria. I recall watching videos of a crayfish seller who was in fact a college Graduate, and the same applies to many who work as mechanics in Nigeria. The graduate degree they have is not worth a lot in Nigeria. So, why in the world are you attempting to argue it should be worth so much more elsewhere? Are you alright in the head at all?

nasbiafra:
THEY HAVE FAILED ALREADYBECAUSE NOTHING GO MAKE ME NOR JAPA,

OYA TAKE FOR EXAMPLE THE NIGERIANS STAYING IN LEBANON WHICH IS A WAR TORN COUNTRY,I SHOCK WHEN NIGERIANS WAY DEY DERE NO GREE MAKE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EVACUATE THEM. AND MOST OF THEM NA GO COME ONLINE DEY DECEIVE US BUT THEY PREFER TO DIE IN THAT WAR

😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Evacuate them make dem come dey queue for bread lines for Lagos abi for rice for Nigeria?

nwirinedu:
■ Which Nigerian? Usually uneducated, so called graduates won't work in cold rooms unless it's owned by them.

Do you really think your Nigerian education alone carries tremendous value past your Nigerian border? Even the companies in Nigeria balk at hiring Nigerian graduates but here you are pretending it should be worth more than its actual value.

Jobs are usually based on skills you have, not your education. Your education could help but the main ones are the skills you bring to the table. Working cold rooms, warehouses, and dishwashing usually require low-level skills and so are good for those who don't have skills needed for higher jobs.