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Babatunjo:
✓ These are not bitter, broke men o. These are men society would call “successful”.
So now I’m asking myself (and una): Wetin really dey happen?
Is marriage quietly becoming something different from what we were sold?

Marriage, as many know it today, has always been a broken system that vastly favored men and not women until now. More and more women refuse to compromise, sacrifice like their mothers and grandmothers, while the man gets to live out his picket fence dreams without losing not even a drop of blood for the cause. So, yes, take his advice seriously. 🥱🥱

Visblog:
✓ He Cleaned Her Waste After Brain Surgery—Now She Wants to Leave Him for Not Taking Her on Dates”
A woman has sparked intense debate online after revealing that she plans to leave her boyfriend—despite the fact that he nursed her back to health for over a year following major brain surgery.
According to her account, her boyfriend became her full-time caregiver after the operation left her unable to function independently. For more than twelve months, he reportedly handled everything: hospital visits, medications, feeding, bathing, and even cleaning her waste when she couldn’t do it herself.
“He saw me at my weakest,” she admitted. “He did things no one else was willing to do.”
During her recovery, the man allegedly put his own life on hold—no social life, limited work opportunities, and constant emotional strain—all to ensure she survived and healed.
Now fully recovered and back on her feet, the woman says her feelings have changed.
Her reason?
She feels unappreciated and romantically neglected.
Despite everything he did for her medically, she claims her boyfriend never made her feel “desired” or “special” afterward. She complained that he rarely takes her out on dates, doesn’t plan romantic moments, and treats the relationship more like a responsibility than a love story.
“I’m grateful for what he did,” she said, “but I don’t feel loved anymore. I want to be taken out, surprised, and courted.”
The revelation has split social media straight down the middle.
Some users slammed her as ungrateful and emotionally detached, arguing that caregiving on that level is the deepest form of love anyone can show.
“This man wiped your body when you couldn’t move, but dates are your deal breaker?” one commenter wrote.
Others, however, defended her, saying gratitude doesn’t mean she must stay in a relationship that no longer fulfills her emotional needs.
“Caregiving can kill romance. She’s allowed to want more than survival,” another user argued.
Relationship experts weighed in, noting that long-term caregiving often transforms partners into nurse-patient roles, making it difficult to return to romantic dynamics once recovery is complete.
Still, many believe the issue isn’t dates—but communication.
As one viral comment summed it up:
“If love was measured in effort, this man already paid in full.”
✓ The question now remains: Is love about what someone *did* for you at your lowest—or how they make you feel once you’re back on your feet?

At no point in time has love ever been measured in efforts. 🤔

2. Love is not a debt to be repaid. Love is meant to be a free gift although it hurts when it is not reciprocated in an expected manner. 🥱🥱

Explore2xmore:
✓ Islam encourages that evidence for historical claims are sought out rather than accepting them blindly. Historical records indicate that pre-Islamic Arabia had monotheists known as Hanifs, who rejected idol worship and traced their beliefs back to Abraham. This is supported by external evidence. Islam interprets this historical context by asserting that Abraham's way of worship was a form of submission, which it later identifies as Muslim an Arabic word meaning submission to Allah.
Multiple historical inscriptions and sources show monotheistic belief existed in Arabia in the 5th–6th centuries, and classical Muslim historians recorded hanifs as individuals who rejected paganism in favor of Abrahamic monotheism.

While one can disagree with this theological perspective, it is not an arbitrary invention; it is based on a documented tradition of monotheism in Arabia that Islam presents organized and defined. It is reasonable to reject the theological interpretation, but you are unable to provide evidence contrary to what is shared or in support of your stance.

There is no evidence that the so-called pre-Islamic people called Hanifs described in your Quran ever existed. Same way there is no evidence that a Jewish tribe which worshipped Ezra ever existed.🥱🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
✓ Yeah. Said by the one ignoring obvious facts stated in the scripture.
The facts you’re overlooking are:
1. Genesis 5:24 says, Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him. That makes Enoch unique because, unlike other people, he didn’t die.
2. Hebrews 11:5 tells us that by faith Enoch was taken so he wouldn’t see death. This is an accepted explanation within the Bible itself.
3. 2 Kings 2:11 shows Elijah going up in a whirlwind into shamayim, which is clearly described as his destination.
4. Hebrews 11:13-16 talks about faithful people wanting a heavenly home and says that God prepared a city for them. This gives context to Enoch’s being taken, mentioned in verse 5.
5. Throughout the Bible, shamayim is used to mean God’s dwelling place (like in 1 Kings 8:30, Psalm 11:4, Isaiah 63:15, and 66:1).
You’re rejecting every fact plainly given:
- Saying took him means an unknown place.
- Agreeing that did not see death doesn’t really mean he escaped death.
- Claiming shamayim is just the sky, not heaven.
- Calling the Hebrews’ explanation religious nonsense.
So, who’s ignoring what the Bible says here? The person accepting its words and interpretations, or the one dismissing them all as flawed ideas?
Rejecting what the text clearly states. That isn’t facing the facts. It’s denying them.

You should probably look up the meaning of the word Fact before you continue. As all you have done here is try desperately to pass religious gobbledegook-- opinions aka lies -- on as facts.🥱🥱

I am certain I have more g than made myself clear here that that nonsense don't work for me. 👍👍

ALMUSTAQIM:
Assalaam Alaekum wa Rrahmatullah wa Barakatuh
*10 Lessons from The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)*
In a world full of Chaos, Stress and Uncertainties, The lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) offers timeless wisdom that can guide us to Peace and success.
Here are 10 life-changing lessons from his teachings that are more relevant today than ever.
Lesson 1: *The Power of Kindness*
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Kindness is a mark of Faith and whoever is not kind has no Faith." (Muslim)
He showed kindness to everyone—friends, enemies and even animals. Imagine the impact if we practiced kindness in our daily lives.

I am guessing his wives were not included among his friends since he did not show them much kindness at all; even his formerly adopted son did not reap the supposed kindness of Mohammed. Kindness to the hundreds of Jews of Medina whom he killed off? Kindness to animals, including dogs, who are to this day considered worse than vermin in Islam? 🥱🥱🥱

This 2026, every Nigerian needs to read the Quran to finally realize the man — Mohammed — from the myth.🥱🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜This keeps happening repeatedly. Phrases like went up into shamayim, did not see death,God took him, and the interpretation in Hebrews are all redefined or dismissed.
➜ This isn’t reading with context it’s ignoring anything suggesting a separate divine place.
➜If this approach were used for any old text, we would never learn anything. This isn’t fair scholarship or staying neutral; it’s denial disguised as caution.

For the umpteenth time, Interpretations are dogma... unevidenced claims that hold no meaning outside of religious circles. 🥱🥱

2. Ignoring religious bullsheet is not reading in context? What has religion and its numerous dogmas to do with context, by the way? 🥱🥱

3. You delude yourself, believing you are learned as far as the Old texts are concerned. If you cannot accept what is written... as is written... without the need to write your own brain farts between the lines, what makes you think you have been engaging yourself in the process of learning? 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜You're expecting modern science about the universe from an ancient book.
➜ The Bible says Elijah went up into shamayim, which is the same word often used for God's home. Looking for a phrase like beyond the atmosphere is reading in too much modern thinking. Ancient Hebrew makes a simple distinction between the world we live in and the place where God lives, not between layers of the sky....

Dude, what is clear is that you suck at reading my mind. I am not expecting anything from the book apart from what is written in the book.🥱🥱

Again, we already been through all of this and have come to the base questioon which is Where is Enoch? And a look at the text indicates the one who would have the answer is YHWH. So, unless we ask Him, we will never know. 🥱🥱

The same goes for Elijah... there is no indication in the whole Torah that a whirlwind takes a human outside of the earth's atmosphere, nor is there any indication that the Chariot of Israel can reach a destination beyond the borders of Israel, let alone a place outside of planet earth. You don't need to look for a phrase to be able to ask these simple questions about what is written. And imposing an answer taken wholly from your imagination will not help at all unless religion is your goal. 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
Now this view doesn't hold up intellectually because:
1. You say he could have gone to many places on earth implying he's still alive somewhere on earth after more than 5,000 years? Name one place. A hidden valley? A secret island? These are just stories you're making up without any support from the original text, while ignoring what all ancient readers understood.
2. You claim no one knows where Enoch went. That's not true. Hebrews 11:13-16 gives us the context. It says the faithful wanted a better country, a heavenly one, and that God prepared a city for them. Enoch is mentioned among these people. The author clearly links being taken without dying with going to heaven.
3. You argue the statements don’t show he was removed from earth. But think about it. The text says he was translated so he should not see death and was not found. If he were still on earth, we would find him. If he was mortal, he would have died. Since neither happened, he had to have been taken out of earthly, mortal life.
4. Dismissing the text as religious nonsense isn’t a real argument. It just means you’re giving up on the discussion.
5. When asked where Enoch is, you say to ask God. That’s avoiding the question. When you don’t have a clear answer from the text, pointing to ask God is a way to dodge.
➜The big problem with your view is that you have Enoch taken by God and avoiding death, but not in heaven. You say his location is unknown, yet he is still mortal but immortal, on earth but can't be found. All these ideas go against what the text says. Heaven is the only place that fits being taken by God, escaping death, not being found, and walking with God. Your rejection isn’t because of better interpretation. It’s just resisting the idea for other reasons dressed up as skepticism.

A religion-minded individual is the one to determine what holds up intellectually. Nonsense! 🥱🥱

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2. Wrong! Nonsense! 🥱🥱

3. You say this because you have found Moses, who was also hidden by YHWH. Right?? 🥱🥱

4. I am not arguing but countering religious claims by presenting the facts as they appear. 🥱🥱

5. Avoiding the question? YHWH was the one who supposedly took him, the same one who took Moses' body. Who else do we ask if not YHWH? 🥱🥱

Oh wait! You would rather religion invent an answer in such cases... anything for you to avoid having to ask YHWH, right? 🥱🥱

6. I don't have any interpretations —dogma— so, yes, you are right that I don't do such nonsense. I simply follow the breadcrumbs where they lead, and the fact is that only YHWH knows where Enoch is— religion does not know. And anyone who wants to know would need to ask him, not jump to baseless conclusions like the religious are notorious for. 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜You inquire about which meaning is applicable in a given context, and the text itself provides the answer. The narrative context determines meaning rather than personal preference. In 2 Kings 2:11, the elements are clearly defined and build upon each other. Divine fire, a heavenly chariot, a whirlwind, and the phrase Elijah went up into shamayim. This context cannot refer to weather or air; it indicates a divine realm. Elisha’s statement about the chariot of Israel is a misunderstanding. That phrase (2:12) expresses Elisha’s metaphorical sorrow over Elijah’s significance to Israel, rather than redefining how Elijah was taken away. The means of transport is specified in 2:11, not by Elisha’s lament.
➜ Psalm 11:4 and Isaiah 66:1 do not introduce confusion; they clarify it. Heaven is depicted as a throne, while Earth serves as a footstool, indicating distinct and hierarchical realms. God's presence in the temple shows presence rather than a physical relocation. Solomon makes this clear when he states, Heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you (1 Kings 8:27).
➜ Isaiah’s question, Where is the house you will build for me? criticizes the notion that God’s dwelling is limited to Earth. The analogy of a footstool is misguided; a footstool shares authority with the throne but not its location.
➜ In summary, the text clearly states that Elijah went up into heaven. To deny this requires ignoring the narrative, the language, and the theological implications, which is not a matter of following the context but rather avoiding it.

1. Again, unless you can find me a passage in the Torah that states that the [i]Chariot of Israel[/i] can give folks a ride to a destination beyond Earth's atmosphere, I don't see why you continue to insist that Elijah went to where God supposedly lives(heaven) and not the sky(heaven) or that nonsense. 🥱🥱🥱

2. More religious nonsense! You are told that the Heavens cannot contain all of YHWH and that His foot rests here on earth, and instead, you resort to spewing religious nonsense about hierarchical stories.

Solomon's statement clearly aligns with the statement in Isaiah 66 vs 1, which states The whole sky and the highest heaven cannot contain YHWH. End of story!

3. YHWH's question regarding his resting place is not YHWH suggesting a lack of need for the temple, which He commanded of His people. Again, earth is His footstool— where His feet(His presence as well) rest. All that this keeps pointing to is that the notion that YHWH lives far away in a place called heaven is not of Scripture but of religion.

4. Again, show us where it is written that the chariots of Israel give people rides into this heaven — sky or God's dwelling place in the sky? Otherwise, you are simply spewing ideas born from religious delusions.

Another important aspect here is the whirlwind he was taken up in. Where is it written in Scripture that whirlwinds give access to the dwelling place of YHWH? 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
1. You say no verse says Enoch left the earth, but Genesis 5:24 says, God took him, and Hebrews 11:5 says he was translated so he would not see death. If God took him to avoid death like everyone else, then where did he go? You reject the idea of heaven but don’t offer any other option. Floating in the air? Hiding in a cave? Your position doesn’t make sense.
2. You say translation doesn't mean leaving earth, but if that’s true, where is Enoch now? If he was translated and didn’t die, but still stayed on earth, then he would have lived for over 5,000 years without dying. There’s no record of that anywhere, in the Bible or in history. The text clearly shows that being taken by God means being taken out of the mortal world that means not staying on earth.
3 and 4. You call this religious dogma, not based on the text, but actually, you are the one ignoring what the text clearly says. It says he walked with God, was taken, was not found, and didn’t see death. Every part points to God removing him from the earth. Your argument says Enoch was taken by God, avoided death, but still somehow stayed here. That just doesn’t add up.
➜ Calling a proper study of the Bible delusion while giving no real answer isn’t an argument. It’s just denial.
➜ So where is Enoch now? Try to answer that without saying heaven while still making sense of the text. You can’t do it.

1. God took Him and Where did Enoch go? is not enough data for you or anyone to then conclude that he must have gone to a place called Heaven which you religious folks then imagine exists outside of the earth's atmosphere. There are so many places here on earth that he would have gone if we were asking where did Enoch go? But the leap to conclude it must have been heaven... has to be substantiated, and so far, there is no evidence of that ever taking place. 🥱

2. That is the million-dollar question. Where did Enoch go? No one knows so far. The claim that he went to heaven is unsubstantiated. The absence of an answer is not a good enough reason to insist on an obviously invalid delusion. 🥱🥱

3. Wrong! None of those statements points to God removing Enoch from the earth.

4. Nothing proper about obvious religious bullsheet!

5. Simple! YHWH is written to have moved him, so if you want to know where He is, you simply have to ask YHWH to tell you where He moved Enoch. Insinuating that Enoch must have been moved to Heaven simply because it is said that YHWH took him is a ridiculous conclusion.

honesttalk21:
➜Your principle of context determination doesn't go along with your argument. In Genesis 5, there is a consistent pattern of stating and he died for every patriarch, except for Enoch. This deviation is deliberate. Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.
➜ Hebrews 11:5 provides the inspired explanation translated so that he should not see death. The term Metatithēmi indicates a change in location. The text clearly states that Enoch did not experience death.
➜ If Enoch was taken from earthly life to escape death, it means he was removed from the mortal realm this is the key point.
➜ Rejecting this without suggesting another destination isn’t proper interpretation; it’s avoidance. The context strengthens the argument rather than weakens it.

1. The supposed absence of a pattern IS NOT permission to inject your personal or religious delusions between those lines. Again, nowhere in that verse is it indicated that Enoch was taken off this planet, absolutely none. 🥱🥱

2. The Greek work translation DOES NOT imply leaving the earth, though. Moving one foot from point A to point B is also a change of location. If you read carefully, it could also be used to indicate a change of order. Sure, the writer in Hebrews claims Enoch did not experience death, but nowhere in that is it implied that Enoch was taken to heaven to be with God. That claim comes wholly from religious dogma. 🥱🥱

3. Wrong! That response of yours, again, is of religious dogma. 🥱🥱

4. I can reject it simply because the passage suggests none of what you claim. I don't have the same religious need you have to inject your personal delusions, which you folks refer to as interpretations — literally made up nonsense— because I don't do religion and all of the bullsheet that comes with it. 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜About the word shamayim your own image actually supports this point that it means both the physical sky and God's dwelling. The definition shows it covers the visible arch as well as the higher space where the stars and planets move.
➜ In 2 Kings 2:11, shamayim is used when God's chariot takes Elijah up in a divine event.
➜ The meaning depends on the context.
➜ When the word appears with a divine appearance, it refers to God's home, not just the weather or sky.
➜ The same word is used for God's dwelling throughout the Bible, like in Psalm 11:4 and Isaiah 66:1.

1. If it could mean both, then which meaning do you apply, when? That is the issue here, is it not?

2. Elijah was taken by the chariot of Israel, according to Elisha who witnessed the events, not God's Chariot.

3. OK!

4. Wrong! That is the religious notion or way of digesting what is plainly stated.

5. In both Psalm 11 vs 4 and Isaiah 66 vs 1, we are instead told that the heavens are YHWHS throne; Isaiah suggests that His feet rest on the earth— his footstool. To add to it, Psalm 11 vs 4 indicates that YHWH is inside of his holy temple, which was on earth at the time in question. So, is YHWH's dwelling place in the Old really a place beyond this earth or a place that includes this earth?

Another point to note when you read the rest of Isaiah 66 vs 1, see YHWH asks for the place of His rest, the house that was promised Him on this earth — His dwelling place —by the people of Israel.

Imagine a person sitting on a throne with his foot resting on a footstool. Would you conclude that the footstool on which he rests his feet exists in a place outside of the person's immediate space?

In much of the Old Testament, the dwelling place of YHWH included His temple... Psalm 11 vs 4 states this, and Jesus Christ of Israel confirmed this. 🥱🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜On Enoch and Heaven clearly Genesis 5:24 says Enoch was not, for God took him.
➜ Hebrews 11:5 explains this means Enoch was taken to avoid death. The Bible makes it clear he didn't die like others. So, your reinterpretation goes against what the text plainly says and is the real religious leap.

Words have multiple meanings to them. For this reason, it is imperative to allow the context determine the meaning of the term, rather than taking it on yourself to decide these things. This applies when reading any and every book out there, including the Torah and the Injeel. Context is always king, no matter what book you are reading; this is why religion holds nothing but lies in the end. 🥱🥱🥱

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1. Enoch was not found — was not— God took him... does not mean the same as Enoch was taken to Heaven by God. The claim that he was taken to heaven was manufactured by religion. 🥱

2. Again, nothing in Hebrews 11 suggests Enoch went to Heaven. (See below.) Indicated instead is that Enoch was translated, and when you look up the meaning of the term, it has nothing to do with Heaven. That he did not die DOES NOT mean the same thing as He was taken to heaven. The only way you can reach that conclusion is by applying an interpretation without evidence — dogma — which religion is never short of. 🥱

honesttalk21:
➜Indeed. This isn't ping pong you know. Which facts have you presented? Other people's nairaland entries or website pictures with errors I pointed to you. Sincerely address the interpretation of what you wrote and check how it applies to your statements.
Muslim prayer is to Allah. You should do better to prove that is otherwise as no Muslim prays expecting response or reward from Muhammad pbuh.

The thing about dogma is that you literally have to deny even the facts of what is stated in your Quran to push most of them. All I have posted so far is from the books which your Allah claims were inspired, preserved, and authorized by Him. The Quran literally says that all things regarding the Jews and the Christians must be judged according to what is written in the Torah and the Injeel, which he claims he gave to the Jews and to the Israelites. Yet, notice how you have worked really hard to discredit what is literally written in those books thus far? It says a lot about your beliefs. 🥱🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜Your take that Enoch and Elijah weren’t taken to heaven goes against clear Bible statements. Genesis 5:24 says Enoch walked with God, and he was not, because God took him which is understood as being taken to heaven.
➜ Second Kings 2:11 tells how Elijah was taken up by a whirlwind into heaven. It doesn’t say clouds but uses the Hebrew word shamayim, which is the same word for God’s dwelling place. You’re reinterpreting straightforward passages just to fit your beliefs.
➜ When you say I’m playing the victim while dismissing Islamic theology as Quran be Quran-ing, it shows you’re not taking this seriously. You’ve moved from saying there’s no religion involved to defending certain biblical interpretations that many scholars would question. That’s not neutral; it’s pushing a particular theological view while misrepresenting Islamic beliefs you haven’t accurately portrayed.

1. YHWH also supposedly took Moses, but it is not written that Moses went to Heaven. Enoch was taken by God does not imply that Enoch went to Heaven. You would need to take a religious leap to come to that conclusion, and that is what Religion does. Hence, the reason why I keep posting what the book actually says instead of the many fables your head has been filled with via religious sources.🥱

2. Stop regurgitating religious nonsense is what I will tell you again!🥱🥱

Shamayin refers to the heavens/skies in the Old Testament. Again, there was no access for men into the Heavens in the Old Testament; The righteous men of old who died are said to sleep in their graves to this day. Even with the New Covenant, access to the Kingdom of God(Heaven and Hell) would only be granted by Jesus Christ of Israel after He has returned and judged all who are Bornagain. 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜ Your claim of not being religious doesn’t hold up when you keep defending biblical beliefs while criticizing Islam.
➜ Saying all religions are useless and then arguing that YHWH gave constitutional law but not religion is a double standard. You have your own religious views you’re just presenting them as if they’re neutral facts.
➜ Your point about how Christians treat Paul versus how Muslims treat Muhammad pbuh is wrong. Muslims don’t pray to Muhammad pbuh or say that getting into heaven depends on his approval. Islamic prayers clearly say none has the right to be worshiped except God, while they ask God to bless Muhammad pbuh. This means they’re asking God to favor him, not praying to Muhammad pbuh for salvation. You’ve created a false picture of Islamic practice to back up your criticism.

1. Defending ? Is it me, or do you not know the meaning of the application of that term?

2. Double Standard? Do you even know the correct meaning and application of those terms you use? 🥱🥱

3. Look! Denying facts only further reveals your religious brainwashing. There is absolutely no question that Mohammedians pray 5 times a day to mohammed as that is substantiated by their 5 payers all consisting of statements directed at the person(or corpse) of Mohammed. 🥱🥱🥱

Tgini:
Kobo go and sort your salvation directly with God

Again, go read the book. As Jesus Christ of Israel explained to the Canaanite woman, only the children of the Master have access to Salvation, the food served on the table to the children of Jacob; the dogs, aka non-Israelites, only get crumbs that fall from the master's table.

You cannot hold on to the dogma of the religion of Christianity while at the same time crying out against the religion of Christianity. This is like a hijab-wearing muslim woman crying out against the atrocities carried out in Islam against muslim women. E no go ever make sense!

P.S. A Canaanite is not an Israelite.

Tgini:
➜He said that to the canaanite woman who asked him to heal her demon possessed daughter then still went ahead to heal her, even after his disciples ask him to send her away .
➜ Jesus was sent for all of us .
➜ My point at the end of the day is " sort your salvation directly with God, don't know any pastor use the bible to trap you "

1. Go back through the conversation to comprehend what was in fact said as opposed to that which you clearly got from religion, which you here pretend to be against. 🥱🥱

2. Not once did Jesus Christ of Israel ever state that He was sent to all of you. That statement or anything alluding to it is found nowhere in the entire Gospels. Religion is where most of you get your reasoning regarding the Gospels from. 🥱🥱🥱

3. How can you sort anything out directly while clinging tight to religious dogma/delusions fed to you by the pastors and imams you pretend you are against? It is literally impossible.🥱🥱

happney65:
Aha..
Read this book when I was in SS1 or so. Ọmọ it showed Islam very very well. A Fatwa was declared on the Author by Muslims and till date he dare not step foot in the Middle East.

The book is that Old?

motayoayinde:
➜ Gentle reminder:Islam has been the fastest spreading religion in the world for decades now. 😂

Yes, the baby-making machinery of Islam has not taken a break at all, as that is the primary reason why it is the fastest growing religion to date. Fortunately, even kids born into Islam have access to the internet and can now read the Quran in English(and their local languages) to actually learn for themselves what the book says, as opposed to their parents, who were denied the ability to do so for the longest.

UncleAyo:
➜This book tells you objective truth about Islam. This is the book I ended 2024 reading out of the many book I read this year.
"Who Is This Allah"
Your life will never remain the same after reading this book.

What objective truth did you find in the book regarding Islam?

Tgini:
➜Jesus never said read my book , he said follow me ,
➜ the gospel of Jesus was never about denominations or mega churches like we have today , he was talking about the church in the hearts of men , those in pursuit of the truth not the dogma . He said follow me , and it's important to know that God did not write a single page of the bible , those books were written by men , deeply flawed me like you and i . it was written and re written , translated and retranslated , filtered through kings , politicians and priests then argued by over 45000 different christian denominations who all swears that they are the ones who are right for 2000 years until it got to your hands .

1. OK! 🥱

2. You are still missing the most important thing here, which is that Jesus Christ of Israel said He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel — those who bore the DNA of Jacob. What Christianity has going on has absolutely nothing to do with the bloodline that was chosen by Jesus Christ, who made clear His people come from His Father. 🥱🥱

Tgini:
➜Jesus wasn't a christian , he was a jew and he didn't come to create a religion.
➜ The bible as we know it didn't even exist when Jesus was alive neither when mark, luke and john wrote their accounts .
➜ The bible was literally compiled 100s of years later by a pagan emperor for political reasons
➜ Now that doesn't mean you should throw the bible out ? No , but we need to stop worshiping it like it's God and be honest with ourselves and start listening to the truth that is behind the bible . The bible was literally voted on by a bunch of politicians and bishops deciding what books are kept in the bible. .

1. That much is correct.

2. Actually, the Torah existed long before Jesus Christ showed up on the scene to give His followers the Gospels. And the Gospels were all compiled within the period of less than 40 years before the eventual destruction of Jerusalem and the exile of the majority of the Jews from the land of Judea.

3. Your Bible may have been compiled into the collection of books that you have today much later on. However, the books that make up the book you call the Bible today were written and distributed beginning in the 1st century AD.

4. Christianity voted on the contents of the Bible. That does not mean that the individual books which were written as part of Israelite Scripture were rendered invalid by the process that brought them to your door. 🥱🥱

Of course, books are paper, ink, and glue... materials that deserve no worship; however, rather than attack the book, I think your attack should instead be on the various religions that have people worshipping books. 🥱🥱

ALMUSTAQIM:
Assalaam Alaekum Wa Rrahmatullah Wa Barakatuh
*ISLAM, MUSLIMS AND THE FALLACY OF COMPOSITION*

The Fallacy of Composition is to the effect that What is True of the Whole is not necessarily True of the Component units that make up the Whole and Vice Versa.
A George Washington University's Professor Hossain Askari researched 'how Islamic countries are Islamic'.

By looking for the countries that follow the rules of the state and society in Islam, it was found that those who follow the Islamic rules in their daily life are not Muslim countries. The study found that *the most Islamically compliant country is New Zealand followed by Luxembourg. Then came Ireland, Iceland, Finland, Denmark in sixth and Canada in seventh position.*

Malaysia is 38th, Kuwait is 48th, Bahrain is 64th, and surprisingly *Saudi Arabia is at 131st position.* In this study published in Global Economy Journal, *Bangladesh's position is below the Saudis.* Research has shown that, *Many Muslims are very careful about Prayer, Fasting, Sunnah, Qur'an, Hadith, Hijab, Beard, Dress code but do not follow the laws of Islam in state, social and professional life.*
*Many Muslims listen to more religious sermons, wa'az & nasihat than anyone else in the world, but no Muslim country could become the best country in the world. In the last sixty years, Muslims have heard the Friday sermon at least 3000 times.*

Notably, a gentile Chinese businessman said, *Many Muslim businessmen come to us with orders to make fake things and tell us to put the label of such and such a famous company/brand. Later, when I told them to eat with us, they said, "It is not halal, so I will not eat it." Is it halal to sell counterfeit goods?*

A Japanese newly converted Muslim said, *I see non-Muslims in western countries following the rules of Islam and in eastern countries I see Islam but few Muslims.* Alhamdulillah, I have already accepted the religion of Allah knowing the difference between Islam and Muslims.

*Islam is not just Prayer and Fasting, it is a way of life and a matter of communication and fellowship with others.*
A person who prays, fasts and has a scar on his forehead can be a hypocrite in the eyes of Allah. *The Prophet (PBUH) said, "The real proletariats and empty people are those who will appear on the Day of Judgment with fasting, prayers, many Hajjs, giving charity, but will go to hell empty-handed due to corruption, grabbing wealth, not giving rights to others and oppressing people." .”*

*Islam has two parts, one is the public declaration of faith called 'Eemaan', and the other is the subject of faith called 'Ehsaan',--which is realized by following justly, correct social norms. If both are not practiced together, Islam remains incomplete which is happening in every named Muslim country.*

*Observance of religious prohibitions is one's personal responsibility and is a matter between Allah and the servant. But adherence to social norms is a matter between one servant and another. In other words, if the Islamic principles are not practiced by Muslims in their lives, then, the Muslim society will become corrupt and our future will be dishonorable.*

George Bernard Shaw once said, "Islam is the best religion and Many Muslims are the worst followers." May Allah grant us the Grace to become Muslims who follow Islam. Aameen🌷 We Pray Allah to continue to guard and guide us Aright, Protect us, Have Mercy on us, Increase us in Knowledge, Sustenance and Piety and Enable us become better MUSLIMS, better NIGERIANS. Happy Jumaat, Happy Weekend.

I am literally having a terribly hard time understanding the argument being made by the author of this piece. It is like reading a piece compiled by a citizen of a Topsy-Turvy world. It literally makes no sense! 🥱🥱

Iamajike:
➜He wanted to get a Benz, but I advised him to buy a Corolla since he'll be dropping it for me, but he said his standard can never use a Corolla. I told him to consider me since he promised to drop the car for me as my present condition would not make me able to maintain a Benz, and those who should help me might be calling me boss, and I would not want to be calling him for help or maintenance money every time.
I can maintain a Corolla on my own now, but this man does not see from my angle.
The truth is that I can't go out without a car, I can't use public transport at the moment, and I can't maintain Benz with this condition. And I also don't want to be a burden on anyone.
Please, how can I convince him to reason in my way? I am 100 percent sure he'll help if I ask, but I don't want to be asking him every time so I don't lose the little respect I get while still alive.

Have you made your argument to him then? Also, ask him if he would be OK with you selling the Benz after he has given it to you, so you can get yourself a Corolla. 🥱🥱🥱

Workch:
➜Am I the person not reasoning properly?

Yes, you are not the person not reasoning this properly. That is the simple answer! 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜How can you say Judaism by the Jews and Christianity are different because Jews reject Christian beliefs, yet you refuse to see Islam as different from Christianity for the same reason? If claiming to worship the same God means religions are the same, then by your logic, Christianity is just a mistaken form of Judaism regardless of whether you see it as a religions or not.
➜ You also say Muslims worship Muhammad pbuh like Christians worship Jesus, but you ignore the fact that Christians see Jesus as God, while Muslims firmly reject Muhammad being divine. One group prays to and through their figure as God in human form, the other says he was just a messenger. These things are not even close to the same.
➜ Your point about Adam having God as a parent actually weakens your argument. If being created by God equals being His child, then everyone is God's child, and the idea of a virgin birth loses its special meaning. You are unintentionally arguing against what you are trying to prove.
➜ Jesus's virgin birth and rise to heaven are definitely important in Islamic beliefs, but being important doesn’t mean being divine. Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven without dying, but no one says they are God. Moses talked directly to God but stayed human. Miracles show God's power acting through prophets, not that the prophets are God themselves.
➜ You confirm you don’t have a religion but keep defending Christian views and criticizing Islam. That is not being objective. It shows you have a belief while pretending to be neutral. Your arguments reveal the bias you say you don’t have.

1. No need to go around in circles at this point about the clear distinctions here. 🥱🥱

2. Is it me, or are you simply trying to argue endlessly in circles? I already pointed out the similarities between the two practices. So, is arguing in circles a tactic or something? 🥱🥱🥱

3. This seems more like you keep trying to push your private delusions on my person. I never said everyone on this planet was created by YHWH. You did all that by yourself. 🥱🥱

According to the Torah, the only humans who were ever created by YHWH were Adam and Eve; Eve happened to be cloned from Adam, so technically, only Adam was created from nothing in the image of YHWH, making Adam a son of God. (In the Torah and the Injeel, sons of God are individuals who had been judged righteous by YHWH.) All other humans, apart from Adam, had to be born from the womb of a woman, and this after Adam had sinned against YHWH. This is unlike Adam.

I know the Quran takes a different spin on the story, suggesting that Adam had his sins forgiven him/purged; however, only Jesus was born into this world pure. I am not sure how that works. But then, the Quran be Quran-ing with these stories it tells. 🥱🥱

4. Neither the Torah nor the Injeel suggests that Enoch was taken to heaven. Additionally, the claim that Elijah was taken into the literal heaven is debatable. In the Injeel, Jesus Christ of Israel, revealed that He alone is the one who brings a Law to the people from Heaven itself.

12 I have told you about things here on earth, but you do not believe me. So I’m sure you will not believe me if I tell you about heavenly things!
13 The only one who has ever gone up to heaven is the one who came down from heaven—the Son of Man. - John 3 v 12 - 13

Moses made clear to the Israelites that heaven had nothing to do with the Law, as it was a Law that was designed for them to keep here on earth in the land of Canaan— not across the seas or in Heaven.

11 “This command that I give you today is not too hard for you. It is not a secret hidden in some faraway land.
12 This command is not in heaven, so that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us and bring it to us, so that we can hear and do it?’
13 This command is not on the other side of the sea, so that you should say, ‘Who will go across the sea for us and bring it to us, so that we can hear it and do it?’
14 No, the word is very near to you. It is in your mouth and in your heart. So you can obey it. - Deuteronomy 30 vs 11 - 14

Moses never promised heaven to the Israelites. Elijah did not go into Heaven — he was taken into the clouds(heavens for those of old). Heaven, aka the Kingdom of Go,d did not exist to men until after the time of Jesus Christ of Israel.

5. Playing victim isn't going to do you any good here. Everything I have said here is supposedly inspired, preserved, and authorized by your Allah in the Quran, so spare us the wailings! 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜Though you tend not to practice any religion your vie undermines Christianity while attacking Islam and comes of as just bias.
➜ Actions reveal worship so by your reasoning, Christians are essentially worshiping Paul. There are churches named after him, and his letters are treated like scripture. They claim to honor him while actually worshiping God. Muslims make the same claim about Muhammad pbuh.
➜ You claim criptures don't honor prophets like Islam does but Deuteronomy 34:10 states, no prophet like Moses. Jewish prayers often call upon Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
➜ Saying worship always meant the same thing is incorrect. You see in Genesis 42:6, Joseph's brothers bow down (shachah) the same term used for worshiping God. David bowed to Saul (1 Sam 24:. In English, judges are addressed as your worship. The term has always encompassed both ultimate devotion (to God) and respectful honor (to humans).
➜ Christians fear disobeying the Bible to steer clear of hell, is that worshiping a book? No, it’s about following divine guidance. The same goes for Muslims and their reverence for Muhammad.

1. I abhor religion in what it does to the human mind. They are all the same to me; useless brainwashing! 🥱

2. (I had not read this carefully earlier.) Yes, Christians elevate the words of Paul above those of Jesus Christ of Israel, and yes, they also name their churches after Paul. However, I have never personally witnessed any Christian
⚉ praying to Paul(the dead man) or in the name of Paul for forgiveness of sins.
⚉ suggest that the name of Paul is above any other name out there on earth,
⚉ revere the name of Paul, or suggest that YHWH cannot be contacted except in the name of Paul.
⚉ claim that heaven is closed to them until after they have adequately appeased Paul

So, let's not get distracted here. All 3 of the above are some of what I have seen and known Mohammedians to do using the name of Mohammed(not Paul, of course), though. 🥱🥱

3. In the Quran, Mohammed warns against quoting verses out of context, so why would you think it would make sense to quote from the Torah and subject what is written to a meaning that has absolutely nothing to do with what is in fact stated?

9 Moses had put his hands on Joshua and appointed him to be the new leader. Then Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom. So the Israelites began to obey Joshua, and they did what the Lord had commanded Moses.
10 Israel never had another prophet like Moses: The Lord knew Moses face to face.
11 The Lord sent Moses to do powerful miracles in the land of Egypt. Pharaoh, all his officers, and all the people in Egypt saw those miracles.
12 No other prophet ever did as many powerful and amazing things as Moses did for the Israelites to see. - Deuteronomy 34 vs 10 -12

What aspect of what is presented above gives you the notion that Moses was worshipped in the land?

As for the Amidah prayer recited by Jews three times daily, "Blessed are You, Lord our God and God of our forefathers; God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob", I don't believe it to be direct worship of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And here is why. God of Abraham is not Abraham but YHWH...

24. The Lord spoke to him that night and said, “I am the God of your father Abraham. Don’t be afraid. I am with you, and I will bless you. I will make your family great. I will do this because of my servant Abraham.” - Genesis 26 vs 24

God of Isaac is not Isaac but YHWH...

13. And then Jacob saw the Lord standing by the ladder. He said, “I am the Lord, the God of your grandfather Abraham. I am the God of Isaac. I will give you the land that you are lying on now. I will give this land to you and to your children. - Genesis 28 vs 13

And God of Jacob is not Jacob but, again, YHWH....

15 And God said, “Tell the Israelites that you were sent by Yahweh, the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob. This will always be my name. It is how I want the people to remember me from now on. - Exodus 3 vs15

Those statements you say the Jews use when praying are found spoken by YHWH through Moses to them.

Now, of course, Judaism is a religion I am also vehemently against; YHWH never gave His people a religion. What he gave them was a country and a Constitutional Law to live and rule over themselves in the land. The religion of Judaism... that is a whole 'nother shitshow that is not of YHWH.

4. I literally said that there are different meanings to the word Worship and they have all remained the same throughout the millennia. I used the example of the worship of Jesus Christ of Israel by His very own disciples(all of them Israelites) to focus on the particular meaning of Worship we are going for here. If that is what you wish to work with, then let's go with that. Sigh!

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Yes, the examples of Joseph and Saul in the Torah are OK ideas of worship. These men were kings over the people they each ruled over, and their subjects were tasked with obeying their every order and rules to them. What is clear is that in both cases, particularly the case of Saul, not all of his subjects respected him. Even David, who bowed down to the King, did so out of obligation and not respect for the King. So, his worship was not a form of respect, as David famously disagreed with Saul and his methods, but bowed to him regardless. 🥱

In Joseph's case, not all those who bowed to him as ruler revered him. It is no secret that many held a grudge against him. This is explained by the fact that not long after his death, it seems his name was literally wiped off the records, as detailed in the book of Exodus.🥱

So, to argue that worship is another word for respect is sort of moot; e no enter at all.

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Now, back to the example which I gave earlier.... the relationship between Jesus Christ of Israel and His band of followers. His disciples revered and worshipped Him— this is beyond bowing down to a king because you are obligated to do so. (I am not talking here of bowing down or doing as he commands alone, but literally doing as he commands even when the King or President of the nation they physically live in commands otherwise.) They lived their very lives by His Word. That is worship that is of a divine kind and not the mere worship that is given to a king or a president.

Now, Mohammedians believe their entrance into paradise depends on Mohammed accepting their prayers, and so they pray to him 5 times a day and revere his name. That is worship that compares to that which is given to Jesus Christ of Israel in the Injeel by his disciples. 🥱🥱

5. Mohammedians are definitely like the Christians in that aspect, too. The worship of a book is common to both religions, even though most don't even live according to what is in the book they carry around with them. 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜ By this reasoning, Christianity seems to lose its legitimacy. Judaism worships YHWH, and Christianity claims to worship the same God yet they are distinct religions because Jews don’t accept Christian beliefs. If same God imply same religion holds true, then Christianity shouldn’t even exist.
➜ Where you derive Muslims worship Muhammad pbuh from you disregard the prayer clearly states none has the right to be worshiped except God at the beginning,while also asking God to bless Muhammad pbuh. This is about asking God to show favor, not about worshiping Muhammad. It’s similar to how Catholics say Hail Mary is veneration, not worship. It’s a basic distinction that needs to be made.
➜ You agree Adam had no parent and say Jesus is not special?
➜ Inadvertently suggesting that the virgin birth is insignificant. If being created without parents means something is unremarkable, then Jesus's birth doesn’t prove anything. The Quran’s perspective is that miraculous creation showcases divine power, not the divinity of the created being. Otherwise, Adam would be equated with God.
➜ You’re applying your standards inconsistently undermining your own religious claims while criticizing others. That’s not a solid argument; it’s just inconsistency masquerading as critique.

1. For the umpteenth time, Judaism is a religion that pretends to have only Israelites as followers(the people of the chosen bloodline) and worships YHWH, the God of Israel. Christianity, on the other hand, claims it is a religion for those who are not of the chosen bloodline, pretenders who claim to worship the same YHWH who said He is God of Israel alone. 🥱

2. Mohammedians pretend Mohammed is to them what Jesus Christ of Israel is to His followers, except, of course, for the part that Mohammed in fact died 1400 years ago. It's worship.🥱🥱

3. I don't agree that Adam had no parents. In the Injeel, since YHWH created Adam and created him in the image of YHWH(he was created a righteous man), Adam is referred to as a son of God. 🥱🥱

4. Wrong! I was simply trying to go off of claims you had made in your attempt to diminish the significance of the virgin birth there. According to the Quran, Jesus was born a pure boy, meaning his birth, which happened to be a virgin birth at that, was of great significance. Even the Quran's claim that Jesus never tasted death and was instead raised by Allah to himself without bypassing judgment, and also to oversee judgment over his followers on the day of resurrection, is significant, as no human has ever had such honor. You claiming that it was all not of great significance and that humans can have no fathers is what I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around. 🥱🥱

5. I don't have any religion; I simply parse the facts as they are contained in each of the books here.

honesttalk21:
➜Oops indeed you know you are wrong. All worship is to Allah who alone is worthy of worship and able to do all things.
➜ Don't we make honorary statements requesting blessings on other prophets? I agree we make more for the one through whom the finalization of revelation to mankind came.
➜ Tell me you don't know how dynamic the dictionary you refer me to is with changing and additional words.

1. Saying one thing and doing something else is what anything with a mind has come to literally associate with religion and politics, by the way. You claim you only worship Allah, but your actions — your prayers and words — literally reveal the opposite.

2. Nowhere in either the Torah or the Injeel were honorary statements associated with any of the other prophets. Only kings and rulers of lands got such mentions, and even then, never to the extent that Mohammedians give to Mohammed. 🥱🥱

Jesus Christ of Israel is the only other man whose disciples(not Christianity, mind you) pray in his name for forgiveness of sins, and they do so every time they think to pray to YHWH. That is worship. By the way, according to the Gospels, Jesus Christ of Israel raised himself from the dead, hung out for about 40 days with his disciples before eventually ascending to the heavens where he remains to this day. So, he ain't dead. 🥱🥱

3. A word can have multiple meanings, and yes, new words are added to the dictionary each day, but there is nothing dynamic about the dictionary in the way you insist. The word worship has meant the same for thousands of years... it meant the same back in the 1st century when the disciples of Jesus Christ began worshipping Jesus Christ of Israel(long before Mohammed showed up on the radar), and it means the same even to this day. 🥱🥱

Let's quit trying to bullsheet our way out of applying common sense in this, shall we? Compulsively giving reverence to the name of a dead man—Mohammed— for fear of being damned to hell, praying 5 times a day to him to avoid having your sins being held against you, indicates worship. Plain and simple! 🥱🥱

honesttalk21:
➜Respecting someone does not mean you worship them. When referring to the dead and saying may they rest in peace is not considered worshipping them or is it?
Idolatry means praying to, making sacrifices for, or depending on someone or something as if they were divine. Muslims do none of these things with Muhammad pbuh; all worship goes to God alone. Calling Muhammad pbuh an idol doesn’t hold up because he has no divine powers, no prayers are directed to him, and worshiping him is clearly forbidden.

Praying 5 times every day of your life to someone who died 1400 years ago is not respect. It is worship! 🥱🥱🥱

...The worshiper will arise from the prostration to return to the standing position and say, "God is the greatest," completing one full rakah (cycle of prayer).
When the worshiper reaches the end of the second cycle of prayer, and they are sitting on their knees, they will perform the tashahud, or the following steps.
All the compliments, prayers and pure words are for God.
Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of God and His blessings.
Peace be upon us, and on the righteous slaves of God.
I bear witness that none has the right to be worshiped except God, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.
If this is the final rakah (cycle) in the prayer then the worshiper will add this part:
O God, send prayers upon Muhammad and upon the family (or followers) of Muhammad, just as You sent prayers upon Ibrahim and the family (or followers) of Ibrahim.
Verily, You are full of Praise and Majesty.
O God, bless Muhammad and the family (or followers) of Muhammad as You blessed Ibrahim and the family (or followers) of Ibraaheem.
Verily, You are full of Praise and Majesty.

Giving compulsive reference to the name of a man whose name you believe you have to say in a particular way or risk losing the right to Islamic paradise after death, is not respect, but worship. 🥱🥱

Praying rest in peace to someone who died 1400 years before you were born is not respect but worship. Look up the dictionary meaning of the word to realize what has been right in front of your face since you first began memorizing your quran. 🥱🥱