₦airaland Forum

DMerciful:
■ Supreme Court should not ratify fraudulent elections. Both INEC and SIEC should be reformed so that results are transmitted in real time and voting is by biometrics. I don't have all the answers but whatever is required to make votes count 100% should be done. For cost management, INEC and SIEC can use same material like BVAS and IREV

So exactly what is stopping the Nigerian people from calling for these reforms today?

DMerciful:
∆ Not cancel the state electoral commission or INEC but reform both so that credible and transparent elections are guaranteed.

In all honesty, without credible elections, forget development even in a 1000yrs

LOL.... So, it is no longer to remove SIEC from State hands but to reform it. Ok, in what way can SIEC be reformed and why would you need the Supreme Court to make that happen?

Rhymezz:
give your reasons sir

All the Supreme Court can do and did was reassert the Constitution.

DMerciful:
∆ Seems we're talking of two different persons. We're talking of Prof Odinkalu's interview on Channels.
His point is if elections at the local govt are not credible and the outcome always favors the party of governors, then nothing will change.
Bottomline is Nigeria's problem is lack of credible elections(vote don't count) and as such the politicians are not accountable to the people

So should we also cancel INEC because people have also complained numerously of election rigging at the federal level?

004gist:
∆ Debt is debt.. Tinubu should clear all debt owed.
Meanwhile otti has started paying off backlog of debt he meet on ground. Judiciary has been cleared and so many. While that of teachers he promised them last month that immediately they wil be receiving the funds in trenches
The delay was caused by Biometric registration to flush out ghost workers off the system but now all now set to pay them

I no blame you at all. Nigerian political touts are pretty much all the same whether supporting Tinubu, Otti or any other Nigerian politician, all very insensitive and inhumane bunch of individuals.

babasolution:
∆ Facts are lived experiences,if my parents had good times in the military, is that not a fact?

So, the opinons of your parents, that limited unverifiable pool, is where you choose to draw your facts from?

004gist:
∆ When will Tinubu clear all debt owed by Buhari?
Word bank, China and EU countries...when will tinubu pay off this debt?
Government is a continuous process tinubu should better clear the debt at least he brought Buhari

Clearing of debts should take a backseat to paying off salaries owned workers. This governor has been drawing his salary from the state purses as compensation for work he has been doing since he took office, right? So why shouldn't the workers get paid for all their work till now as well?

Munamu:
∆ After reading the comments, I conclude that most do not know how the supreme court always arrive at its decisions. Being the supreme court, it can interpret the constitution the way its likes for the benefit of the general public. Looking at section 162 of the constitution of FRN(as amended),the allocations of local councils should go to the States' coffers. But this has been severally abused,and justice not done to local govts. The Court has the power to interprete the law according to justice and also to serve justice according to law. In this case, the supreme court has to move slightly away from the constitution because that section 162 has not really served justice to the local govts.

The Law has been abused? Explain what you mean by this please.

004gist:
∆ That is debt owed by past administration

And so? He has been in office long enough for him to have resolved that issue though. What is taking him so long? Don't tell me you don't know that Government should be continuum ?

Never4getU:
The man said the truth though. Obi can't be saying he wants a greater Nigeria but whenever the govt make a good move he's always quiet but very critical on issues that portrays the same govt in a bad light, isn't that hypocrite?

The government made no great move in this.

GanagiBitrus:
Ok noted.
There is a NL thread on top GDP Countries. Have you ever wondered why no black nation is ranked high on such list despite being blessed with huge natural resources?

I don't wonder about such things because looking at the way things are run in Nigeria for example, it is clear to see why.

babasolution:
∆ Same folks tell me TINUBU was bad, and I was very aware of that as an adult by then.so they likely know what they are talking about

I see... So you rarely base your opinions on reported facts but rather what you are told by others, including your parents. You are definitely a typical Nigerian as well.

babasolution:
∆ My folks always tell me they enjoyed the military era,however I grew to teenage age during the era

Your folks are examples of typical Nigerians. I mean we have folks who equally say that Tinubu was a good governor during his 8 years in Lagos even when the records and present evidence reveal the opposite

GanagiBitrus:
Use Nigeria as reference. Leave Kenya.
You can't do what Kenyans did or are doing.

How can I use Nigeria, a place where the people would rather exists as zombies, refusing to educate themselves of their own rights and responsibilities under their own democratic system, and refusing to make clear demands of those whom they have elected, as reference for Pete's sake? How?

Democracy is a governmental system by the people for the people. Nigerians do not see themselves as the power and authority in their system. They literally abandoned their rights and allowed the dogs they hired to work the system to run free. How can that be a reference for democracy or sanity?

GanagiBitrus:
∆ Well, I used GOOD DICTATOR to represent other System of Govt aside Democracy.
But I still main that blackman is too crude for Oyibo kind of Democracy. It can be adapted to suit us.
China is not practising Democracy but they are progressing. That's my opinion. You are entitled to yours. 👋

So, in your mind, the Kenyans using that very same Democracy to change their destiny as speak, are not black, right? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Blackman, save yourself from zombie ignorance!

GanagiBitrus:
I said GOOD DICTATOR.
Read again before you jump on my mention like a goddamn junkie.

There is no such thing as a Good dictator!

babasolution:
∆ Leadership is important, only a young,strong,able leader will deliver NIGERIA

LOL... So long as these Messiahs you keep pining for are of Nigerian blood, they will continue to ruin your lives as the ones there today and past have been done.

babasolution:
∆ Not everyone will agree that the military era was worse than now

Liar! You were probably not born or of age back then. that is what I instead suspect.

Another unhinged individual! Go asylum where you go find him mate. The man needs treatment for what may be a form of OCD and not attention from irgher equally unhinged individuals.

babasolution:
Only a young,strong,brave and able leader can liberate Nigeria, not weak old men

Stop yapping nonsense! Only the Nigerian people can save their own selves like the Kenyans are doing today. So long as the Messiahs you lot keep pining for have Nigerians blood on them, you will continue to ruin your own selves.

GanagiBitrus:
Democracy is too refined & sophisticated for Black Africans.

A GOOD DICTATOR is still preferred. 👍

You people are sick! You quickly forget how useless your lives were under dictators not more than 25 years ago? Why would you wish that experience on your children?

Michaeltreasure:
I usually hear of statements like, "What happened is God's Will, whenever a disaster happens. I don't understand. Is the will of God evil? The Bible says God loves us and has good thoughts towards us, if that's the case, why are bad things attributed to his will?
Below is a sceenshot of a persons comment on the Jos school building collapse...

In Scripture, the Will of God simply refers to God's Law in the particular dispensation. For instance, in the Old Testament, the Will of God is the Law of Moses whereas in the New Testament, the Will of God is Jesus Christ - the Gospel and Law of God in the Kingdom of God.

The ignorant application of the term by those who are of the religions of men, Christianity being one of them, have no link to that found and described in Scripture.

Zooposki:
∆ State Joint Local Government Account just probably means all the sum of money of all the LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTS in that particular state and not necessarily the state and LGA monies/accounts joined together.

That is exactly what it is. And the power to decide who gets what and how belongs to the National and State assembly, not the Governors. Clearly, whatever power s the Governors have been exercising over those accounts does not come from the Constitution meaning they, the Governors, overstepped their bounds in this and ought to be penalized and maybe even prosecuted.

DMerciful:
He is not wrong, he is spot on.
Did you watch the interview?

There is nothing"spot on' about any of what he said as he was merely repeating the same narrow-minded solution that had been fed him by politicians over the years.

Let me put it to you this way. It is utter foolishness to delete/repeal the law in an attempt to resolve an illegallity. What the Governors did was illegal. That is the stance of the Law. Calling for a change in the same laws as a solution is stewpidity.

@* The Constitution does not bestow the right to dip into LG accounts to Governors. This means that a Governor who does so does so against the Law and as such should be penalized for it.
@* The Constitution does not grant Governors right to decide as far as LG elections. This means that all Governors who meddle with elections at the Local or National levels do so against the Constitution. ...

... I can go on but the point is the lack of respect for the Constitution by the people on both sides of this is at the root of this and so many other issues in Nigeria.

RichBoy247:
∆ Person wey we don catch with meat from the pot of soup. Wetin he wan talk?

Please waka pass me!

doggedfighter:
Onunuga, find shame.
Preferably in your spare time !
[b]Obiphobia is rea[/b]l.

While true, if Obi did indeed violate the Constitution while he served as governor of Anambra State, he would do well to submit to this and answer for it.

I think it would be a good way for him to prove he does indeed wish the Nigerian people well, and maybe serve as the spark to wake Nigerians up from this 25-year-long coma they have been in.

Kani101:
■ Against the backdrop of misleading information, [b]Governor Otti says his government has not received any dime from the Federal Government to implement 35,000 Naira wage award for workers in the State but promised to look into the wage award demand of Abia Workers. [/b]
Governor Otti stated this during a meeting he held with the leadership of the organized labour in the State. He disclosed that his government will create the Ministry of Labour and Productivity as his government is poised to make minimum changes to the structure of government.
According to him, the new Ministry will have its Commissioner from the Labour fold.

Nonsense! What has the Federal to do with the payment of the salary of State workers? See fraudulent statement abeg!

talkreal:
∆ I fully support full autonomy for local Governments but the residual list of the constitution should be more enriched in order clarify clear cut functions both the states and the local governments like that of the federal and state's, there should be proper elections at the various Local Governments level .
∆ I don't think it make more sense for the president (federal government) to withhold defaulting state LGA allocations completely, what will happen to the workers at the local governments level? Again it make the president to be more powerful.

What exactly is full autonomy in the Nigerian case? According to the Constitution, the States are under the Federal. Does full autonomy in that case mean that the States should be considered to exist at the same level as the Federal in terms of power and authority?

2. No tier of government has right or authority to withhold allocations from any other tier. It is actually unconstitutional for allocations to be withheld in any case.

SmartPolician:
■ Stop quoting people if you have nothing reasonable to contribute to a debate. If you say he is wrong, you explain how so. This is common sense.

I just listened to the man repeating some of what OP highlighted. He is wrong! The statement that having the FG pay directly to the LG does not repeal Section 162 of the Constitution is false. Subsections 4,5,6,7, and 8 of Section 162 of the Constitution would be directly impacted should the FG go ahead to pay the LGs directly.

Second, if you carefully read section 162 of the Constitution yourself, you will find that the State's claim that it merely takes a commission from those accounts violates the Consitution— particularly Section 162 — which does not grant the state any power to dip into or remove funds deposited into the account. The State is merely to maintain the accounts by any means it has to without in fact dipping into the account itself. The power to decide what LGs get and what amounts from the accounts belongs, not to the LGs or the State Government, but to the National and State House of Assembly.

Third, as for what the professor said of elections at the state level, using the same logic, should we call for INEC to be removed from the FG since INEC cannot independently call for a Federal election without the say of the FG? Of course not!

Nigerians need to be more intelligent in analyzing issues and coming up with solutions. Trying to chop down the very foundation of the democracy itself in a bid to solve a program of illegality is a stewpid way to go about resolving issues.

SmartPolician:
These were the views of Professor Chidi Odinkalu. After watching him explain this fact on Channels TV days ago, I knew it wasn't an Uhuru yet. It's a long walk to freedom.

He is wrong! Learn your own Constitution so you can easily spot the issues created by these people you listen to.

Validated:
■ There has been a lot of buzz about LGA autonomy as if it will change anything. The LGA Chairmen are all selected by the State Governors. Until State Independent Electoral Commissions are scrapped, there will be no autonomy. As long as State governors select LGA chairmen in the name of LG elections, nothing has changed..
■ By the way, why is the Supreme Court silent on the LCDAs?
■ Anyway, I can imagine that this is the only achievement by the Tinubu government in the last 1 year plus of monumental disaster. Having plunged the economy into an abysmal state, a Supreme Court Judgement is Worth celebrating in the midst of significant and unprecedented failure.

1. Should we equally scrap INEC because the INEC President is selected by the Federal Government? Abeg make una dey reason the main things wey una dey request abeg! That SIEC is at the state level is no reason why SIEC should not be held accountable for

2. Probably because Tinubu was the first one to use LCDAs, and this was while he was governor of Lagos State.

3. This is no bloody achievement. Mind you, if your FG were to end up directly depositing money to the LGs, it would be directly contravening subsections 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of Section 162 in the Constitution. That should raise numerous red flags as it is an attempt to effectively overturn the very Constitution on which Nigeria was founded.

It is never a good idea to use illegal tactics in resolving another illegal act.
● These Governors directly violated the Constitution and stole from a purse they were not authorized by the Constitution to dip into.
● Governors withholding LG funds they have no right to touch or hold is illegal since the decision for the disbursement of funds to LGs is to be made by the National Assembly and the State Assembly.

Calling for their impeachment and trial is a better resolution to this issue than making a joke out of the very Constitution on which the Nation is founded.

edungene7:
A confused and completely useless government same committee was setup for minimum wage and 1 billion naira was allocated till today nothing meaningful was gotten from that committee now another one APC shall never end well

Just imagine the level of waste.