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I000Capacity:
Whats there to doubt? Different Kingdom? Gods kingdom?

@ Old Law of Moses is the national Constitution of God's nation of Israel which He constituted of the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan.
@ the Gospel is the national Constitution of the Kingdom of God which is a Kingdom not of this world that is of the Lost sheep of Israel

Both Kingdoms belong to God but are under different Covenants/Laws.

Beautifulday:
∆ So you are saying Abraham who came before the law has the spirit of prophecy which is different from the holy Spirit.
∆ But those with the holy Spirit can prophecy but their prophecy can't be call prophecy because the one who gave it to them is not the spirit of prophecy?

1. And it is for this reason that I dislike the use of this term "Spirit of prophecy" as a blanket statement. Yes, Abraham had a different spirit of prophecy than did the prophets of Old. Even the so-called prophets that lived in the land of Judah after the death of Jesus Christ, the one who is in fact the last prophet, also had a different spirit of prophecy than that which the Prophets of Old did. Did, you ever wonder why Paul never needed the warnings to that was given him by the many prophets who approached him on his way to Jerusalem?

2. That depends on your meaning of Prophesy but the fact is, what Jesus Christ instead said of the Holy Spirit is that He would shew the followers that belong to Him of things to come, things that are of Him and those things that are of Jesus Christ are not of this earth and are of the Everlasting Kingdom of God, nothing else.

optm:

‭John 13:28-29 NKJV‬....
‭Luke 8:2-3 NKJV‬...
The work of the Kingdom of God on earth needs the giving of men. I can perceive you are not really grounded in scriptures and you are making arguments not because you want to know the truth about this matter.
One thing i know is that God's work on earth would not suffer. Whoever wants to give to his work should and whoever doesn't want to can go ahead but God's blessing in giving to his Kingdom work on earth remains forever. Whatever we have is because God gave it to us and giving to the church to further God's Kingdom on earth is never a bad thing. My apologies to OP for derailing your thread

I doubt in this case that I am the one here who is not grounded in Scripture.

Again, this is what Jesus Christ, who Himself lived according to the Old Law of Moses, said to His followers whom He called to a different Kingdom and a different Law...

15 “If you love me, you will do what I command.
16 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper[a] to be with you forever.
17 The Helper is the Spirit of truth. The people of the world cannot accept him, because they don’t see him or know him. But you know him. He lives with you, and he will be in you.
[b]18 “I will not leave you all alone like orphans. I will come back to you.
19 In a very short time the people in the world will not see me anymore. But you will see me. You will live because I live.
20 On that day you will know that I am in the Father. You will know that you are in me and I am in you.
21 Those who really love me are the ones who not only know my commands but also obey them. My Father will love such people, and I will love them. I will make myself known to them.”
22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “Lord, how will you make yourself known to us, but not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them.
24 But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me. - John 14 vs 15 - 24

Where, in all of the Gospels, did Jesus Christ ask/command/instruct you to use His name to collect money on behalf of what you call Kingdom work?

This here is instead what Jesus Christ said of those who would use His name to collect from the sheep.

7 So Jesus said again, “I assure you, I am the gate for the sheep.
8 All those who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.
9 I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. They will be able to come in and go out. They will find everything they need. 10 A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came to give life—life that is full and good.
11 “I am the good shepherd, and the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
12 The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd. The paid worker does not own the sheep. So when he sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them.
13 The man runs away because he is only a paid worker. He does not really care for the sheep. - John 10 vs 7 - 13

A worker is paid by the good shepherd Himself, but a thief comes to steal from the sheep, to kill the fat of the sheep and destroy the flock of God.

optm:
oh really? what if i showed you Jesus and his disciples had a treasury which Judas Iscariot was in charge of?

They had a treasury DOES NOT mean the same thing as the Kingdom of God needing your money though. Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him are those who do as He commands. So, you are better off showing me where Jesus Christ instead commands you to have a treasury like the one you described there.

otipoju:
This is the truth. Polygamy is not a sin against God. Monogamy is not righteousness. Marriage begins and ends here on earth. There is no marriage in heaven said Jesus.

Tell this to those of the religion of Christianity where people convince themselves that their marriages bring them closer to a God who has absolutely nothing to do with their choices and mating, not even their children are His concern.

seiyefajohn:
Christians Watagwan? It is becoming near impossible for one to find the joy of the Lord on the faces of some Christians lately. The joy of the Lord is the strength of every believer, but these days that joy is no longer reflecting on the faces of some believers. I de wonder if na Naija economic woes they cause am. Christians of yesterday use to glow in the joy of the Lord. If you come in contact with a Christian you will see him/her basking in the joy of the Lord and chilling in the peace of the Holy Ghost (with smiles radiating all over their faces to conote pleasance) but it is a different ball game with many today Christians.

Is it that the joy of your pockets and circumstances is the joy of the Lord?

Beautifulday:
■ If this is not prophesy, what is prophesy in your opinion?

What you are pretty much asking is what the difference is between the "Spirit of Prophesy" which is believed to have been placed by God on those whom He chose as Prophets/messengers whom He then sent out on behalf of the people of Israel(not your churchian idea of prophets), and the Spirit of Truth whom Jesus Christ promised to ask His Father to send to every one of those who are loved by Him? The best approach would be to investigate what the Law says of each one of them then. Are you willing to search through the Law of Moses at least for details regarding the "spirit of Prophecy"? Or is it that you wish for me to do all of the work for you?

siant:
What reason? And the verse where the reason stata?

I finally found an old discussion of this sort and decided to go with the response there instead.

sholay2011:
■ What are you saying?
Acts 11:27-28: ²⁷ And in these days prophets came from Jerusalem to Antioch. ²⁸ Then one of them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius Caesar.
Acts 21:10-11: ¹⁰ And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. ¹¹ When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’ ”
Agabus was a prophet.
The four daughters of Philip for example, had the gift of prophecy.

What most people who claim to believe don't realize is that God's original plan had been to speak directly to the people of Israel Himself. But the people, too afraid, demanded that Moses speak to them on behalf of God instead.

18 During all this time, the people in the valley heard the thundering and saw the lightning on the mountain. They saw smoke rising from the mountain and heard the sound of the trumpet. They were afraid and shook with fear. They stood away from the mountain and watched.
19 Then the people said to Moses, “If you want to speak to us, then we will listen. But please don’t let God speak to us. If this happens, we will die.”
20 Then Moses said to them, “Don’t be afraid! God has come to test you. He wants you to respect him so that you will not sin.”
21 The people stood far away from the mountain while Moses went to the dark cloud where God was.
22 Then the Lord told Moses to say this to the Israelites: “You people have seen that I talked with you from heaven. - Exodus 20 vs 18 - 22

It is for this reason that God of Israel, YHWH, set up His system of Prophets.

1. The God of Israel, YHWH, is the one who instituted the Prophet's system as part of His Old Law of Moses

The Lord heard this.
3 (Moses was a very humble man. He was more humble than any other man on earth.)
4 So suddenly, the Lord came and spoke to Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. He said, “You three, come to the Meeting Tent, now!”
So Moses, Aaron, and Miriam went to the Tent.
5 The Lord came down in the tall cloud and stood at the entrance to the Tent. He called out, “Aaron and Miriam!” They went to him.
6 God said, “Listen to me! You will have prophets. I, the Lord, will let them learn about me through visions. I will speak to them in dreams. - Numbers 12 vs 1 -6

2. The same God of Israel announced through Daniel that before the end of Last Days — the conclusion of His Judgment against the Nation of Israel(and Judah), He would bring to an end the time of the Prophets and visions.

24 “God has allowed 70 weeks for your people and your holy city, Daniel. The 70 weeks are ordered for these reasons: to stop doing bad things, to stop sinning, to make people pure, to bring the goodness that continues forever, to put a seal on visions and prophets , and to dedicate a very holy place. - Daniel 9 vs 24

3. The same God of Israel, YHWH, announced through the prophet Joel that before the end of the Last Days, He would pour out His Spirit on all young men and women in the land of Zion.

28 “After this, I will pour out my Spirit on all kinds of people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will have dreams, and your young men will see visions.
29 In those days I will pour out my Spirit even on servants, both men and women.
30 I will work wonders in the sky and on the earth. There will be blood, fire, and thick smoke.
31 The sun will be changed into darkness, and the moon will be as red as blood. Then the great and fearful day of the Lord will come!
32 And everyone who trusts in the Lord will be saved. There will be survivors on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, just as the Lord said. Yes, those left alive will be the ones the Lord has called. - Joel 2 vs 28 - 32

Jesus Christ was the last prophet sent by God to the people of Israel as this is noted both in the parable spoken by Jesus Christ Himself. John the Baptist was the last of the Old Covenant prophets sent by the God of Israel. Jesus Christ confirmed this Himself. All the other prophets that came after those two are a result of God pouring out His Spirit on all of the daughters and sons of Zion in the land during the same generation that the disciples lived in. This all took place about 1900 years ago.

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Paul was aware of this. He knew that the prophets in the land during the last days were not, in fact, prophets like the old — sent by God to the people of Israel. The "Prophets" in the land at the time were not messengers of God like the Old Prophets. They were not holy and righteous men like the Old Prophets that God had previously sent to His people in His Name; these "prophets" at the time were sinners many of whom were due to be cursed by God for their refusal to obey His Law. God didn't send them to any man or woman in the land of Israel. Neither were they to deliver messages to anyone using His name. The "Prophets" in the land at the time were rather a result of God opening up the fountain of communication so He could directly communicate with everyone in the land before His final judgment was pronounced upon them. It is for that reason that Paul refused to heed their warnings, and chose instead to do that which was before Him.

optm:
Do you think the work of God's kingdom on earth needs money?

LOL.... you were on about Tithing and I showed you where the Law on tithing is defined — for the nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan alone — and how it has nothing to do with the Law of the Kingdom of God, now we are on to the Kingdom of God. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The Kingdom of God does not need your money at all. Jesus Christ, the King in the Kingdom of God, pretty much hinted at this when He informed you that you would have to sell everything you have and own and give it all away to the poor if you wish to become worthy of Him. 😁

armyofone:
∆ Toast and ketchup?
Toasted wheat bread with fresh slice tomatoes, avocado, fresh basil and garlic oil/rosemary oil - so delicious!

You get too much energy be that one. Just toast bread, slather ketchup in between and you have a meal.

optm:
‭https://bible.com/bible/114/deu.30.15-20.NKJV
I really do not get your point

This here means my point.

Kobojunkie:
1. Um... Jesus Christ did not come to condemned anyone for obeying the Old Law. After all, He too lived His life in submission to the same Old Law which is His Father's Will. He instead condemned those who pretended by word only to obey but lived in outright disobedience of it. Hence the reason why He condemned the religious leaders of His time including their doctrines and traditions.

That said, Jesus Christ called His followers to following a different Law which He came to bring to them, and Tithing was not included as a part of the New Law. So, anyone who claims to be of Jesus Christ but pretends to hold onto the old rejects Jesus Christ.

Handing money to your gods of men while pretending you do so on behalf of God or Jesus Christ does not cause God to change His mind or Law to accommodate your particular foolishness. Remember God hates the foolish and has nothing to do with them. Even Jesus Christ said the blind will fall into the same ditch their blind leaders will fall into. There is no part in Jesus Christ for such foolishness.

armyofone:
Ebin pa wa mi/wa

Bring food so I can have pawa to read.

LOL.. i just enter kitchen now find toast and ketchup 🤤 chop finish. 😉

optm:
I have read those books of the bible and i haven't come accross scriptures that support your argument. Can you pls point them out

That shows you are lying!

Even in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, God of Israel is recorded to have sealed the document as belongings to the nation of Israel which He constituted in the land of Canaan of those who are descendants of the blood like that is Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Meaning no other can pretend to the same. For you to assert that the God of Israel did not mean that which He stated in His Law means you don't believe in Him at all. His name is probably just a means to an end for you as it is for most religious folks out there.

optm:
what book are you talking about?

You are speaking of the Tithing, the Constitutional Law of the Nation of Israel in the land of Canaan is where you will find the terms and conditions stated by God Himself. This happens to be recorded in the four books I gave you earlier and nowhere else.

optm:
∆ oh you mean when there was a king over Isreal, the king was being paid from the treasury of the temple? I would like you to give me a bible reference. Also i'ld like you to give your view as regards the scripture i shared earlier citing the words of Jesus as regards the tithe they paid.
Tithing can never be antiChrist. It's is the antiChrist that fights against tithing since it's a means of financing the work of the Kingdom of God here on earth

You think yourself cunning. Go read the book about the actual system instead of insisting some universal idea out there in your head is it.

optm:
If you call it a taxation system then it should be payed to the king and not to the temple or priest as seen in the bible

LOL... It was set up by the King— God of Israel— and paid to His Temple to then be used in paying off HIs servants in the Land who served under Him and were given no property by Him. God of Israel was the direct King of Israel until the people began agitating for a human king to sit on earth as His representative.

Read through the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy to learn facts apart from these lies you spew in support of a system that belongs to the AntiChrist abeg!

AbuTwins:
■ So who is a terrorist? Was there any terrorism in the Bible? If Book Haram or other named terrorists too claim they were killing for their God like Moses, Saul, Joshua, etc did would you believe them or not?
■ What law? Has USA ever been a terrorist? Has Israel ever been a terrorist since the biblical OT till now? The terrorists are those who opposes USA like the Russians and Muslims!

1.

ter·ror·ist
▶ (noun) a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
▶ (adj) unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

2. Consult the many Laws that govern national action for more information.

optm:
■ Well First of, those people paying tithes are not foolish, God instituted tithes as a statue in the old testament in order to make provision for the temple and it's workers the Levites. The work of God here on earth needs finance. If you read the scripture i shared earlier, Jesus said , they should tithe but not neglect important things as love and justice.

Stop lying!

What YHWH instituted in the nation of Israel in the land of Canaan is His Taxation system which doubled as a welfare system for ensuring those He installed as administrators in the land were taken care of. Your tithing system in your religion today manned by your many mogs and gods of men has no connection or resemblance to that system whatsoever. Your religious leaders are merely scammers/thieves stealing from people using the name of a God they have no connection — direct or otherwise — to.

Valoromega:
I've been married for 2 years now with a new born baby. the issue now is that anytime we have issues my wife always threatens to leave.
she will arrange and bag and say she's leaving. this has happened more tha 4 times, basically anytime we have issues as a couple.
She will say she's still young and she can't take any nonsense in marriage, Mind u i have never hit her before so this isnt a case of domestic violence, just normal couples issue. I'm tired of this and i'm thinking about my options right now, I want to tell her to leave but she should drop my child for me. she can't use our marriage as a threat everytime we have issues

Start with marriage counseling to be certain it ain't something from her past that is hunting her and hence your marriage. Unless of course, you have made up your mind to abandon the relationship entirely.

Callistus96:
■ HONOR YOUR ANCESTORS, THEY ARE NOT EVIL. The worst thing you can do for yourself is to demonize your ancestors and canonize that of another man's religion. Who told you that your ancestors are in hellfire and how did you know that that of the others are in heaven?
■ You'll die someday and the generations after you will not remember you. How would you feel in the ancestral world? You'll someday join the ancestors. Create the consciousness of your ancestors. Have them in mind. You're not worshiping them. You're simply honoring the sacrifices they made for you to live.

1. Most people don't need another religion to cause these things. They knew their ancestors were evil from when they lived. I mean imagine a child who was sold into slavery or abandoned by his own father and mother. Do you think it would take a religion to convince him of the facts before him?

2. What ancestral world? Join ancestors were? In the ground where all dead end up?

3. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So, these ancestors need to have their consciousness created by your person in order — a delusion so to speak— for them to be of use?

optm:
■ let him be. Jesus Christ didn't condemn giving of tithe either ( ‭Luke 11:42 NKJV‬
[42] “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

1. Um... Jesus Christ did not come at the time to condemn anyone for obeying the Old Law. After all, He too, an Israelite, was mandated by the Law to live His life in submission to the same Old Law which is His Father's Will. He instead condemned those who pretended by word only to obey but lived in outright disobedience of it. Hence the reason why He condemned the religious leaders of His time including their doctrines and traditions.

That said, Jesus Christ called His followers to follow a different Law which He came to bring to them, and Tithing was not included as a part of the New Law. So, anyone who claims to be of Jesus Christ but pretends to hold onto the old rejects Jesus Christ.

Handing money to your gods of men while pretending you do so on behalf of God or Jesus Christ does not cause God to change His mind or Law to accommodate your particular foolishness. Remember God hates the foolish and has nothing to do with them. Even Jesus Christ said the blind will fall into the same ditch their blind leaders will fall into. There is no part in Jesus Christ for such foolishness.

rexbuton:
The good news is that I won a large sum of money from my savings, tens of thousands of dollars. I intend to pay tithe, and channel most of the money to my professional development so I can earn more. I don't think I deserve that money I won, that money was from God. She thinks otherwise. What's your opinion?

You don't deserve the money, but a pastor man who would use it to pay off his mortgage and maybe even buy his next private jet is the one who is more deserving of it, abi?

For almost 2000 years, Jesus Christ, who never asked anyone for a dime of their money, has never owned a bank account or been shown to have received even a penny from any religious leader, yet Christians(religionists) claim they have given him tons of their wealth by way of their Mogs and Pastors. No be magic be that?

Caaz, ever considered having your kids, particularly the young boy, host a cooking show to teach his peers how to basic some of the same basic foods he has learned? You can create a channel for him to use on YouTube where he goes over the steps and process from scratch to finish. You can gave him maybe wear a small cute mask or face mask to hide his face from those who might recognize him and stuff.

siant:
■ Paul said he was not afraid of the arrest in Jerusalem and even ready to die for Christ. Didn't the prediction come to pass as predicted by Agabus? Was Paul not arrested when got to Jerusalem?

It did come to pass but why did Paul not bother with the prediction is the question. And it was not just one prophet. Several people a lot of prophets showed up with predictions for Paul. This prediction was meant as a warning for Paul but Paul went ahead and allowed it to come to pass anyway. Why was the prophecy of no value to Paul? There is a reason behind that.

JuanDeDios:

There are no prophets except Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is the last prophet anointed by YHWH and sent to the people of Israel.

FatherChrismas:
■ You don't understand why christ followers are called Christians. And I used the source (Greek septuagint) to enlighten you

I see now that you are just interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, so I will leave you to it then!

FatherChrismas:
No I'm not dense. That's why I know the the septuagint is documented in Greek.

Of what value is the septuigant to this conversation then?

FatherChrismas:
■ READ the septuagint your knowledge will be greatly improved.It might take you just 4 months to understand biblical Greek.
■ The new testament was not written in English

Stop deceiving yourself with that bullsheet claim made by the religious who like to pretend they know more than want is written.

2. So, because the authors did not write in the English language that should then mean the English translations cannot hold the same information? Come on now... you cannot be that dense, can you?

FatherChrismas:
■ Well let me just make it brief. The new testament was documented in Greek. That's the manuscript alright. The names christ followers are called comes from the he Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",

It doesn't matter what they were called by others. What matters is instead what name they agreed upon or were given by their ruler. And If you read through the Gospels, none of what you wrote applies.

FatherChrismas:
■

I am being real. Every single one of your questions there is answered in the Gospels.

FrankB1:
I think in times past there has been some misunderstandings about healing, because people think that healing is only about what happens in the body, but it's about what happens in the spiritual first. It's important to understand healing according to God and not just our opinion of what healing is. Because, if God means one thing and we think something else then there will most likely be misunderstandings about healing. [b]And in looking up the meaning of healing several had the same general idea--the removal or the taking away of sickness/disease/suffering. Now, understand this there can be an act of healing and yet not a manifestation of that healing. For example God told Abraham, I have made you a father of many nations and yet Romans 4:19 says, Abraham's body was dead and his wife's womb was dead yet God said he had made him a father of many nations. Naturally speaking a man with a dead body can't be a father of many nations so that would have to include that God had done something about his body, but notice what was done was not manifested, he had no way of verifying it by his senses. So, you can't wait until your senses can detect something to believe that God has done something. In Isaiah 53:4,5 it says, 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.[/b]

This is all hogwash though!

Who put the sickness or disease on you in the first place?

FatherChrismas:
■ Who are the leaders of God's country? What is the name of the constitutional law? Who are the leaders of God's country? What is the name of the constitutional law? What name should we call people who follow Christ? Omo so Jesus don dey do recruitment What name can we call those people who have been recruited

Oh boy! The details you seek are documented in the 4 Gospels.