₦airaland Forum

FatherChrismas:
■ Using a country to draw a comparison is out of context in this argument. And I notice you are trying to drag the discussion to your territory of equating an immobile factor (a country) with a mobile factor (Christ).
1. You failed to answer my question "Have you written your own tradition or setup your own Ecumenical"... Because that's the way you can determine who ought to be called a Christian and who ought not be called any name just like a "headless crew". A headless crew without a name, is that what your want
2. This is the meaning of "biblical tradition" the body of beliefs accepted by a society that gives it continuity with past generations and unity within itself and the process by which these beliefs are transmitted. Do you understand now?

1. The Kingdom of God is a country complete with its own leaders and Constitutional Law. So how can the comparison be considered out of context?

2. You are not making sense of any kind still. The term Christian has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or the person who follows Jesus Christ. The Law put down by Jesus Christ — the National Constitution of the Kingdom of God — does not include any such tradition and as such it is not of Him or me, a follower of His.

3. Again, these so-called biblical traditions have no foundation in Scripture particularly in the Law as set down by Jesus Christ, the one who is ruler and King in the Kingdom of God, the Nation to which those who belong to Him are recruited into.

JuanDeDios:
■ Yes, prophets aren't the standard for conduct for Christians (only Jesus is) but they do serve as examples. Just like Paul, James and others. I think the idea of referring to them is that if they did something and God didn't condemn them for it, it means God didn't have a problem with it. Sounds reasonable.

Those men were not prophets in Jesus Christ, I am afraid.

siant:
■ Here you are. You digress in a bit to cunningly looking for a way to escape from this. No way. Do you think you are conversing with an ignorant. Of all the questions thrown to you , you fail to explain any, instead you keep babbling.
■ According to you, Paul did not heed to Agabus, simply because he was not a prophet like the prophets of old? The same Agabus who predicted there would be famine, and the whole church heeded to the warning, before the prediction came to pass. You may keep fooling yourselves among the members of your cult-like sect, not the knowledgeable Christians.
There were prophets, there are prophets, and there will be prophets till Christ returns. You may choose to continue living in delusion. That's your own cup of tea.

1. No digressing as you refuse to answer even a single question to this point so I felt it best to narrow the scope to at least the one you paid some attention to is all.

2. I asked you a question but I see you are instead interested in reading my mind rather than broaching the question still.

Again, Why didn't Paul regard Agabus and the other prophets the same way he would have the Prophets of Old or even Jesus Christ? Why? There is a reason why Paul who did acknowledge that God had made some prophets in the last days, refused to heed the warnings of the same prophets.

siant:
.....Paul did not obey the instructions of Agabus, does it mean he did not regard Agabus as a prophet? The same Paul that said, 'he gave some to be apostle, some to be prophet '....Stop twisting the scriptures. God will judge you!

I had to drill down to this portion from all the news you were trying to make again. You still haven't answered the question at all.

Why didn't Paul regard Agabus and the other prophets the same way he would have the Prophets of Old or even Jesus Christ? Why? There is a reason why Paul who did acknowledge that God had made some prophets in the last days, refused to heed the warnings of the same prophets.

FatherChrismas:
■ The bolded is your own words
■ According to Biblical tradition and the First Council of Nicaea, (325)convened by the emperor Constantine, Christians are followers of Christ.
Have you written your own tradition or setup your own Ecumenical

I don't follow! If the agreement by which the country itself was established indicates that the Name the people chose to go by is "Nigeria" how does that compare to the case where Jesus Christ, the one whose nation His followers are a part of, never chose the term "Christian" or even agreed upon it?

2. There is no biblical tradition of the sort which you claim. Religious traditions are not biblical or sanctioned by Scripture. The name "Christians" was chosen by the community of Roman bishops in establishing what was their state religion, a mostly political movement, and that is that. Jesus Christ, who instead condemned the involvement of non-Israelites was completely ignored.

Macdeey:
See this Mumu
Na the same You Wey collect N 4.6 Billion from Dasuki Wey you talk say you pay some Mallams to pray for Nigeria during Boko Haram peak !
You chop meant for the security of Nigeria and you come open your dirty mouth dey talk nonsense
People like you supposed don die by Hanging if to say Nigeria na better country

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Islie:
After two months of steady appreciation to N1,140 on Friday, April 19, from N1,1,820 per dollar on Wednesday, March 21, the Naira, last week, depreciated for four consecutive days by N285 (25%) to N1,405 per dollar on Thursday, April 25th.
Following the same trend in the official market, the Naira depreciated by N169.24 (9.9%) to N1,339.23 per dollar on Friday last week, April 26th, from N1,169.99 per dollar on Friday, April 19.

Two months of steady appreciation? For where?

FatherChrismas:
■ Don't get it twisted, this is not about religionist, this is about language, terminologies and facts.
■ Answering your 1,2 You failed to realize you are now arguing against yourself If you go through the posts
■ About the number 3, it doesn't apply to the logic of the argument but the let's keep it broad. Muslims can call you a Christian in an offensive manner. Traditionalists can call you a Christian in an offensive manner. It on depends on the countenance and context. The same thing applies to Eminem calling 50cent "nigga" in the studio and still laugh about it. Life isn't that hard

1. There is absolutely nothing in the language or terminologies and facts that would lead you to conclude any such.

2. I disagree!

3. Again, you can choose to explain it to yourself that way, I guess. For me, once a term was meant as an insult from the start, it will always be so.

aswani:
■ Normally I would have locked horns with you by now because it is easily tweaked people like you that I like to engage with. Thankfully another poster disclosed what your real issues were so once more I will say, thanks for the "discussion" but I have now reached my bus stop, ciao Bella.

Look who's Talking! Save your public prayer to your gods for yourself there! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

siant:
■ You want to play along in the display of ignorance? Where is knowledge in what you're saying? Anyway, that statement is just to sweeten what. That's an epitomy of inferiority complex. I supported my submissions with relevant scriptural verses, yet you failed to provide single scriptural verse to back what you're saying. Your opinion is dismissed again. Like I said, the Bible is the last authority.
■ Where did any prophet of old from David say Christ would be the last prophet? Are you saying you know better than the scriptures itself that refered to Agabus, as a prophet? Or should we dismiss that part of the scriptures?
■ Please, quote it here, when Jesus said He was the last prophet?
■ Jesus is the messiah. Not Elijah, not Moses , not even father Abraham. He was greater than any prophet that lived before and after Him. Those ones were mere prophets. Jesus was more than any prophet. And let me quickly add this, I am less concern about YWH you are shouting all about. That's the Hebrews name for a supreme being. Nothing stops me from referring to a supreme being as 'Olodumare' that's Yoruba name for Him. In Arabic Bible, He is called Allah, because that's the name the Arabs call the supreme being. He referred to Himself as El shadai, to Abraham. In Hebrews Bible, He is called Adonai in some places in Isaiah. Moses called Him YHW. So it it is not necessary for me to call Him YAWEH.. That's your own problem.

1. What you instead did was pull verses out of context to assert an idea that does not even comply with that which is stated in Scripture. There is a reason why Paul did not heed the warning given to him by the many prophets of his day including Agabus, something that would have been unheard of had it been they were indeed prophets anointed by the Almighty Himself like the prophets of Old. I am used to you folks. With one side of your mouth you claim your bible is authority yet with the other you accuse the one you call God of Lying!

2. To answer that question, you would have to go back through much of the Old Texts but no point since you will likely not even get it. So, let's focus on your claim regarding the person of Jesus Christ.
▶ But you still have not answered my question. Jesus Christ declared that John was the last Old Covenant prophet to come. Did Jesus Christ lie? YES OR NO!
▶ Jesus Christ equally said in Matthew 21 that He was the last prophet, so did Jesus Christ lie? YES OR NO!

3. Jesus Christ revealed it by way of the Parable, or should I say, a mod on the parable of the Vineyard owner from Isaiah 5 in Matthew 21 vs 33 -46. Jesus Christ first informed you that John was the Last of the Old Covenant Prophets — He described John as being less than the least in the Kingdom of God meaning John was indeed the last of those called by God of Old. Then Jesus Christ went on to condemn all who would come after Him as false Prophets and Teachers, beginning with the religious leaders of His time along with their doctrines and traditions.

4. Um... Again, saying Jesus Christ is more than a prophet does not reduce the magnitude of the lie you accuse Him of. Jesus Christ said He is indeed the last and He proclaimed that all others would come after Him particularly those who would use His name are false Prophets and false Teachers. So, what in the world are you on about?

cjudy:
■ They play. Show me where God condemn Polygamy and those you does that in the Bible and you’re running around

I am not the least bit interested in the polygamy debate mind you. I am more interested in understanding why and how men who disavow God's standard which is holiness and righteousness seem to think it makes sense to demand they have that they too must have that which was granted by God only to his prophets.

aswani:
■ O kò! Ọ ma. May the Good Lord restore you to a sound mental health state, may all the challenges you face that you try hard to overcome be a thing of the past sooner rather than later. Do.

Look who's Talking! Save your public prayer to your gods for yourself there! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Beautifulday:
■ John 16:13
[13]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

That is correct. That which is Truth — and is Everlasting— does include that which even then was to come which, according to Jesus Christ, includes the Kingdom of God and all that pertained to it.

Beautifulday:
■ So prophecy is not truth?

If the God of Israel made a note to differentiate them then clearly they are different.

You said earlier that Prophecy has more to do with stating that which is to come, whereas Truth as made known to His followers by Jesus Christ has more to do with stating that which already is and always will be —EverLasting.

aswani:
■ "Readily admit indirectly"? Anti, you are better than this, much better. Anyway, na Obidients I come face for here so allowed me bikonu.

A liar caught lying.... run along! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Beautifulday:
■ So the holy spirit he promised was false because he is the spirit of prophesy?

Huh? Jesus Christ never promised anyone the Spirit of Prophesy. The Holy Spirit Jesus Christ instead promised to ask the Father to send His followers is instead the Spirit of Truth, the same one who is Jesus Christ, the Word of God.

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ Being a disciple and being a country are nt the same. And in the context of the discussion the comparison doesn't fit in
■ But then again, if you were brought up in Nigeria and follow/abide by Nigeria's laws... You will be called a Nigerian. If you follow Christ, why can't you be called Nigerian?
■ Well me and my friends call each other nigga and smile about it. I guess it's the effect of listening to too much G Unit, 50 cent, RedMan, Nas and 2pac

That is actually what you want to believe instead. You have been given this picture by religionists that it is nothing of the sort and so you can't seem to wrap your mind around the facts of things here. But the fact is it is pretty much the same deal you cut as a citizen of a Nation that you cut with Jesus Christ.

2. You would be called a Nigerian because Nigeria is the name that the Constitution says the country goes by, is it not? Why should I be called a Christian when the Kingdom of God is not called anything of that sort?

3. If a bunch of white men came along and called you all the same name, I bet you would all be fuming in the mouth then, right?

Beautifulday:
■ Was Jesus a prophet?

Yes, the Last Prophet at that!

cjudy:
■ My dear just rest, Moses was this and that. Did you know Moses committed murder in the Bible?

Yes, Moses did, but that doesn't change the fact that 40 years later, Moses not only found His way back into the graces of God but became a Holy and Righteous man, approved by God at that. So, are you a Holy and Righteous man approved by God that you should demand that which applied to Moses then?

The standard laid down by the God of Israel from the beginning has always been Holiness and Righteousness. He does not give His attention to those who do not follow His Law at all. So, comparing yourselves to His prophets, Holy and RIghteous men, I have to ask if you yourselves are holy and righteous men approved by Him as well.

Beautifulday:
■ Most prophet prayes this pattern of prayer.They pray to confess their own sins and that of their forefathers. Prophecy is different from the prophet. Prophecy is telling the future. Prophet is the person telling it I have a question.
■ Did this your restriction over prophecy also applied to Jesus too?
■ Daniel didn't pray to God to stay his hand but to fulfill his promise as prophesied by Jeremiah but God wasn't yet done with his plan as prophesied by Daniel.

1. Go back and read the Law. The Prophecy of the Last days is contained in the Law of Moses. The Prophethood began in the Law of Moses. Visions of the Last days established since the Law of Moses. Even the Kingdom of the Kingdom of God, disclosed in the Law of Moses.

2. Restrict Jesus Christ in what sense?

3. Below is the detail of what Daniel prayed for.

17 “Now, our God, hear your servant’s prayer. Listen to my prayer for mercy. For your own sake, do good things for your holy place.[d]
18 My God, listen to me! Open your eyes and see all the terrible things that have happened to us. See what has happened to the city that is called by your name. I am not saying we are good people. That is not why I am asking these things. I am asking these things because I know you are kind.
19 [color=#990099]Lord, listen to me! Forgive us! Lord, pay attention, and then do something! Don’t wait! Do something now! Do it for your own good! My God, do something now, for your city and your people who are called by your name.”[/color] - Daniel 9 vs 3 - 19

God did do something. God showed Daniel a vision of what was to come, the Last Days to come for the Nation of Judah.

mamaafrik:
■ You need to take anti_rabbies drug. You are sick

Look who's talking!🤣🤣🤣🤣

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ Whoever performs an act of worship is a religionist. Didn't the disciples perform the act of worship?
■ Also if you act according to someone you emulate or a role model, you could be named after that person and his personality.
Christians means "Christ-like". Were the disciples not christ like?

Act of worship? All the disciples did was obey the contract/agreement/Law given to them by Jesus Christ, the Constitutional Law of the Kingdom of God for which He granted them citizenship. Does abiding by the Law of the country you hold citizenship in make you a religionist?

2. If I sign a phone contract with AT&T and I act according to the terms and conditions of the contract, does not make me AT&T-like? Come on! The people who gave them the label, Christians, were pagans who didn't like their guts as is evidenced by the fact that the same are recorded to have chased after and killed many of them. Why should those who hate me get to decide what I should be called? Do you like being called a nigger by a bunch of racists?

colossus91:
■ Which makes me ask certain questions like where tithing come from? Where some doctrines come from sincerely e dey burst my head!

Tithing as practiced by those of the religion of Christianity comes specifically from the doctrines and traditions formulated by their Mogs and Pastors, who don't even accept Scriptural stances on pretty much anything. The beliefs held by those of the religion are entirely disconnected from those developed in Scripture.

AbuTwins:
■ Of course, no user of the Bible will pretty much agree!
■ Where did i consider Hamas accounts? That must have been an oversight then! I don't speak for anyone! Anyone and everyone can be a terrorist! It is hypocrisy labelling only Hamas or Al-Qaedah alone as the culprit!

If you google my history here on nairaland to when I didn't really believe in religion, you would note, that even then, I argued for respect of rule of Law in all things. So, don't pretend for a minute that only those who use the Bible believe in the place of the Law.

2. Oh, now anyone can be labeled a terrorist and it is no longer according to Law but opinion? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

cjudy:
■ How many wives did David got? If I’m correct, it’s 8 right? Did God condemned him?

Moses was a holy and righteous man of the Old Law of Moses. YHWH approved Him as such. Are you one a man approved Holy and Righteous by YHWH for you to declare you must have right to that which David had?

Barcalee:
■ Pls can you breakdown this your bruhaha because I find it difficult to see the alignment between my post and yours. I believe you're a Muslim abi? I had heard your Alfas especially Alhaji muyideen saying it's true the Quran allows a Muslim to marry more than one wife ,but,there must be equity from you to them. So tell me how you can love two women equally talkless of four. So who is the terrible one here?

First of all, you failed to comprehend the message in my post. Again, You Christians are terrible people. The God of Israel put a seal on His Prophets and visions about 1900 Years ago - Daniel 9 vs 24 - at the close of His Last Days. You lot pretend you believe all that is declared in the book yet here you are insinuating the God of Israel lied and this man's father was in fact one of His prophets. Why are your minds this broken?

Second, you are mistaken to conclude that because I am not a Christian, then I must be a Muslim. I am neither a Christian nor am I a Muslim. I am antireligion since Jesus Christ Himself was antireligion as well. Jesus Christ is famously known to have disavowed the religion that existed in His time — Judaism — beginning with its religious leaders and their doctrines which He proclaimed were antiChrist lies meant to deceive and delude the multitudes away from the Truth of God. Christianity as a religion is lifted as being modeled after the very religion disavowed meaning it too has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Of course, no religion was granted an exemption by Jesus Christ, so no religion can claim legitimacy by His name.

aswani:
■ Are you OK at all Anti? It's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering. W[b]hat the hell concerns me with 2.1 Billion BS siphoned out from wherever?[/b] Did Peter Obi and his merry band of thieves audit the money Obidients, especially those from abroad, donated? Are existing reserves and money from individuals, trust funds, organisations etc the same? How do you know the government wouldn't sell these bonds through brokerages who have to provide yearly or whatever period account updates to their customers. You get luck sha say mods dey dis section. I for don tok sense inside ya head well well.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So long as you readily admit indirectly that transparency of the kind you hinted at is far far away from the expectations you have of your government my mission is accomplished. All that extra jabbering una dey like engage in like rabid dogs no concern me at all!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

AbuTwins:
■ But you agree it is terrorism to kill animals, infants, old men and women as in Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15:3?
■ I don't give credence to any! You are the one giving credence to Al-Qaedah!

I don't agree! Why? Because terrorism is as defined by the Law of the land in question— the national constitution of a nation, for instance. I believe Laws are necessary foundations for civilization.

credence
noun
1. mental acceptance as true or real

■ You do give credence to Hamas since you consider the accounts/opinions of the Hamas group. I, on the other hand, am simply saying that both Hamas and Alquaeeda should be considered.

Emm4:
■ Who founded Christianity if it is a religion? Jesus ? Or Paul? Where did these people said they have come to establish religions?

Christianity was not founded by either of Jesus Christ or Paul though. So, your last question, I cannot answer for you. I can tell you though that Christianity was made official by the Romans thanks to the Roman Empire, Constantine, who made it the official religion of Rome creating the foundation of your churches today.

Jesus Christ was an antireligion. Jesus Christ is famously known to have disavowed the religion that existed in His time — Judaism — beginning with its religious leaders and their doctrines which He proclaimed were antiChrist lies meant to deceive and delude the multitudes away from the Truth of God. Christianity as a religion is lifted as being modeled after the very religion disavowed meaning it too has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Of course, no religion was granted an exemption by Jesus Christ, so no religion can claim legitimacy by His name.

AbuTwins:
■ Of course! It will only make sense when the terrorism comes outside the Bible! Biblical terrorism doesn't make sense!
■ No! Al-Qaedah waged war against the invading Soviet Union in Afghanistan around 1979! USA (of which Israel is a subset of) and others funded them through a third party since the Soviets were also like an enemy to them! After the war the group still retains the millions $ worth of ammunitions and support! Hamas came around in the 80s if I'm not mistaken when the terrorism of Israel has gotten to another height. USA will always go against anyone who is against its allies! USA will support anyone who fights their enemies e.g. Russia! Of what use is my own support? The world order is flawed just as the definition of terrorism!

Of course, it can never make sense when the God of Israel is the one who is written to have destroyed His own Israel(and Judah). So no well-meaning individual would do anything in His name in this day and age.

2. Now you are simply telling tales! My question is why the words of Hamas should be given credence while Alqueeda according to you should not have been?

Beautifulday:
■ This is Daniel 9 : 24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
I now see what is confusing you about prophecy and prophets.
The phrase "the vision and prophecy" is referring to a single vision and prophecy which was given from chapter 25.
Daniel 9:25-27
[25]Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26]And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I am afraid you are reading these things upside down... the vision and Prophets referred to instead come from what is contained in the Law of Moses which Daniel mentioned in that same Chapter you quoted from....

3 Then I turned to the Lord God. I prayed to him and asked him for help. I did not eat any food. I put ashes on my head and put on the clothes that showed I was sad.
4 I prayed to the Lord my God and told him about all my sins. I said, “Lord, you are a great and awesome God. You keep your agreement of love and kindness with people who love you. You keep your agreement with the people who obey your commands.
5 “But we have sinned. We have done wrong. We have done evil things. We turned against you. We turned away from your commands and good decisions. 6 The prophets were your servants. They spoke for you to our kings, to our leaders, to our fathers, and to the common people in our country. But we did not listen to them.
7 “Lord, you are innocent, and the shame belongs to us, even now. Shame belongs to the people from Judah and Jerusalem, and to all the people of Israel, to those who are near and to those you scattered among many nations. They should be ashamed of all the evil things they did against you.
8 “Lord, we should all be ashamed. All our kings and leaders should be ashamed. Our ancestors should be ashamed, because we sinned against you.
9 “But, Lord our God, you are kind and forgiving, even though we rebelled against you.
10 We have not obeyed the Lord our God. He used his servants, the prophets, and gave us laws, but we have not obeyed his laws.
11 All the people of Israel disobeyed your teachings and turned away from you. They did not listen to you. We sinned, so you did what you promised to do. All the curses and promises[c] in the Law of Moses, your servant, happened to us.
12 “God said those things would happen to us and our leaders, and he made them happen. He made terrible things happen to us. No other city suffered the way Jerusalem suffered.
13 All those terrible things happened to us. This happened just as it is written in the Law of Moses, but we still have not asked the Lord our God for help. We still have not stopped sinning. We still do not pay attention to your truth, Lord.
14 The Lord kept the terrible things ready for us—he made them happen to us. The Lord our God did this because he is fair in everything he does. But we still have not listened to him.
15 “Lord our God, you used your power and brought us out of Egypt. We are your people. You are famous because of that, even today. We have sinned and done terrible things. 16 Lord, we and our ancestors sinned against you, so your people and your city became a disgrace to everyone around us. You do so many good things, so stop being angry at Jerusalem, your city, your holy mountain.
17 “Now, our God, hear your servant’s prayer. Listen to my prayer for mercy. For your own sake, do good things for your holy place.[d]
18 My God, listen to me! Open your eyes and see all the terrible things that have happened to us. See what has happened to the city that is called by your name. I am not saying we are good people. That is not why I am asking these things. I am asking these things because I know you are kind.
19 Lord, listen to me! Forgive us! Lord, pay attention, and then do something! Don’t wait! Do something now! Do it for your own good! My God, do something now, for your city and your people who are called by your name.” - Daniel 9 vs 3 - 19

Go back through the Law of Moses, where it all begins to understand what Daniel is saying here and why the seal on the visions and prophets is of the Law and not of your ideas regarding one aspect of the vision.

Daniel said that prayer to request God stay His hand against the Judeans. And God answered Him with a message telling Him that the Last Days for the Nation of Judah were delayed by Him —YHWH—for about 600 years so that all which was outlined would be accomplished.

Baatunde:
■ I beg to disagree, what about the hundreds of VERSIONS of the Bible which abound today with substantial textual differences and some times complete verses missing/removed altogether. I can provide you with up to twenty chapters in the NRSV , RSV , NWT, NT _Anmerican Version to mention a few where certain verses in the KJV have been discarded because they were not found in the most ancient manuscripts older than those on which the KJV was based. Prominent verses that have been removed as being later day additions are Mark 16:9-20 which supposedly describe Jesus's ascension, 1st John 5:7 which is the cornerstone of the Trinity doctrine is a fabrication, your famous John 3:16 does not have the word BEGOTTEN in the original manuscript, Isiah 7:14 does not have the word VIRGIN even in the manuscripts that were translated, the word there in the Hebrew text is 'almah' which should be translated as a young woman and not "bethulah" which means VIRGIN. Go and check those versions of the Bible I have mentioned and you will confirm what I have said that there is not only ONE Bible.
■ What about the conundrum of the fabricated genealogy of Jesus as given by Mark and Luke. For a man who has no biological father they invented a genealogy for him and even then they still both could not agree on whether he came from David via Nathan or Solomon and nalso with a staggering 15 generations difference between Mark and Luke's lists? I know some apologist would come out and say one was tracing through Joseph and the other through Mary, in that case where does Mary come up in the line of fabricated genealogy, because both ended with Joseph (unless they are saying Mary and Joseph are actually siblings)

You have peaked my interest! Care if we take these on one at a time then? I am very much interested in dissecting every problem you have there to understand what aspects have led you to conclude that the book itself is volatile and contradictory when in fact it is merely a compendium of books each written by different authors at different points in time.

So, what do you say? Shall we create a different topic to dissect this?

2. About the Geneology of Jesus Christ, I don't believe there was in fact what you consider a fabrication. Remember that we are talking of a time when there were no fact-checking systems in place and no computers to catch errors. The writer of Matthew may have simply gotten his details from a source different from that which the writer of Luke had obtained his from. My guess is Joseph, long dead at the time the genealogy was written may not have been there to verify any of the claims obtained by the two sources. Also, when it comes to the matter of Jesus Christ's actual genealogy, it has to be traced from the line of his mother of course. Why? Because He was not born of an earthly father after all and the Law of Moses — by way of the benefit given to the daughters of Zelophedad— did allow for genealogy to be traced from the mother, even though Jewish tradition may have frowned greatly on it— I think it still does. But yeah, there is also the possibility that Mary and Joseph were related as you said.

Additionally, the line that included Solomon was not valid at all because Solomon was disqualified by the God of Israel from fathering the King forever. So, any line that included the mention of Solomon could not be it.