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thrillionaire:
Hahahaha.. you are a long way off the truth.

Can you please provide a reference for where Paul stated that his words constitute scripture then? This, I have to see.

johnog4sure:
Nooooo You are the one that started the attack, and what I said about you is not false, I believe others have told you that

Asking why Africa has yet to use DDT in annihilating mosquitoes is an attack on you? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You mean when others are equally as deluded as you comment, you actually consider their words to be of fact? Sha, I no blame you. Even this Chris eejit has doctors in his congregation who nod at all ridiculous vomit from his wicked mind.

thrillionaire:
The gentiles have been grafted in fella. It's pointless arguing with an ignorant you.

Be more specific cause this statement of yours does not make sense to me.

According to the God of Israel, the families of Jacob include the Jews(the family of the nation of Judah ) and the rest of Israel(the family of the nation of Israel) whom He cast out among the Gentiles for their sins around 720BC. The Jewish nation, of Judah, was inhabited by Israelites of the tribe of Benjamin, Judah, and Levi. Whereas the former nation of Israel was inhabited by the other tribes - 1 King 12

31 This is what the Lord said, “The time is coming when I will make a new agreement with the family of Israel and with the family of Judah.
32 It will not be like the agreement I made with their ancestors. I made that agreement when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. I was their master, but they broke that agreement.” This message is from the Lord.
33 “In the future I will make this agreement with the people of Israel.” This message is from the Lord. “I will put my teachings in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
34 People will not have to teach their neighbors and relatives to know the Lord, because all people, from the least important to the most important, will know me.” This message is from the Lord. “I will forgive them for the evil things they did. I will not remember their sins.” - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

So, when Paul, himself a Jew(of the family of the nation of Judah) spoke of the Gentiles in the context that is Jesus Christ, the Kingdom of God, he, Paul, meant to refer to the non-Jewish family of Israel. Paul's statement in that verse is his view on what it means to live one's life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ — what it means to be in Christ.

So, what is it that you wish for me to believe instead?

AbuTwins:
■ Chai! What is the earliest manuscript of the old testament available? Probably the dead sea scroll! This was written about 12 centuries after Moses! Where is the Torah Moses wrote in existence? Do you think these old testaments Books are really what Moses wrote?
■ Moses had a revelation revealed to him as a Book! However it is lost now! The copies of copies of copies we have as retained in the Bible is dubious and marred with errors, additions, extrapolations, etc!

1. Well, the God of Israel said His Word is Eternal/Everlasting meaning that it cannot be lost or changed by human hands. I don't need to believe in the old testament books, and I don't beleive in Moses since he wasnt a god to me. I instead believe in Jesus Christ and His Father, the God of Israel.

2. Interesting! Are you insinuating that Moses did obey the commandment that was given to Him by the God of Isreal — he wrote the book —,however, the God of Israel caused the book to be lost?

thrillionaire:
So then every one of us can not have this eternal life seeing it's only for Israel? Lol

So, again, you do not believe what the God of Israel — YHWH— and His Son, Jesus Christ, proclaimed? You don't believe in them at all!

thrillionaire:
So Paul's Epistles were only his views,? Wow! You're confused. Can't banter with you.

Insulting me will not change the facts. Even Paul never referred to his letters as Scripture for good reason, so you considering them Scripture is all you and not according to what Paul himself believed.

AbuTwins:
∆ Your theory!

Absolutely none of it is theory as it is written right there in the book that

▶ Noah was justified(approved holy and righteous) because he submitted himself to living according to God's Law of His time - Genesis 6 vs 8
▶ Abraham obeyed God's every commandment and statute and was hence justified (approved holy and righteous) by God - Genesis 26 vs 2 -5
▶ Moses spent 40 years in the wilderness before God approved him and called him to step on holy ground(righteousness). - Exodus 3
▶ Aaron and Miriam were equally holy endorsed/approved righteous by God for their steadfastness to the way of their fathers. God of Isreal spoke to them - Numbers 12 vs 1 - 5
▶ David was regarded by God as a man after His own heart— a holy and righteous man— before God of Israel even anointed the boy King of Israel - 1 Samuel 13 vs 13-15
▶ Daniel as a boy dedicated himself to living according to the Law of Moses. Even when in a foreign land, he did not violate the dietary laws contained and as a result, he was approved(holy and righteous) by God of Israel - Daniel 1 vs 8 - 17...

Every single one of these men had the encounter they did with the God of Israel— YHWH— as a result of their resolve to live in complete obedience to His commandments and statutes. God of Israel made it abundantly clear from even Adam, that His only mandate is obedience of His Law. The same mandate He gave Adam is the same mandate He gave to all the others.

essentialone:
It actually has to do with the culture mores and norms in any given society and our perception and views of the human body and sexuality. Cultures throughout many ages have reduced humans as property to be bought, sold, traded or owned. Prostitution reduces the human body to a commodity thus furthering the mindset of ownership and the risk of abuse of said property. We determine how we respond or react to something based on the value we have placed upon it.

So, your idea of that which constitutes immorality is based on the opinions of individuals who happen to be in the majority at a given point in time?

johnog4sure:
Did I tell you anything is stopping me? Oh kobojunkie the guy that argues blindly on Nairaland, if you want education go to school, stop baiting people on Nairaland to give u free education

Argh! You have finally run out of meaningless drivels and now booted in to attack my person in an attempt to win by fire by force... You folks are easy to read.

BeigJawnson:
∆Lols...
Just look at this verse
John 16:13
[13]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come,
He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
** My God doesn't speak to one only through dreams ... He has diverse ways He speak to His people not only dreams.

1. The Verse DOES NOT say the spirit will guide you through dreams or through visions . And God is known to have communicated to His people not only via visions and dreams.

2. In Jesus Christ, there is no promise of dreams and visions like in the Old Law where God specifically mentioned them as part of the Covenant. Rather, the Spirit of Truth is promised as a guide and a counselor who SPEAKS.

thrillionaire:
Amplified Bible
Therefore if anyone is in Christ [that is, grafted in, joined to Him by faith in Him as Savior], he is a new creature [reborn and renewed by the Holy Spirit]; the old things [the previous moral and spiritual condition] have passed away. Behold, new things have come [because spiritual awakening brings a new life].

Again, God of Israel said that it is the House of Jacob that He makes His new agreement with. Jesus Christ came and said His Father sent Him to give even Eternal Life only to the Lost Sheep of Israel,the same people God raised the Bronze Snake up to in the desert. And He declared that His Word is the same yesterday, today and forever - EVERLASTING. So, I ask you again, do you believe what Jesus Christ said remains True to this day or did Paul set himself against Jesus Christ -- antichrist--- on your behalf?

thrillionaire:
Who announced these words to be God's word? Wasn't it Jeremiah? Or was it God himself that wrote it down there? I'm going by your logic.

Jeremiah was a Prophet of God, and Jesus Christ was the last prophet sent from God of Israel; Jesus Christ said all those who pretend to be of Him yet claiming to be prophets were false Prophets and False Teachers.

Paul was not a Prophet sent to the people by the God of Israel--YHWH--- and as such could not make statements differently from that already stated by the Prophets before him. Hence the reason why much of his writings were presented by him as a collection of his opinions/views in letters.

Ripama:
"When health improves, families choose to have less kids."
I disagree!

You disagree with what has already been taking place in developed countries for decades now? Or you prefer that Healthcare remain in deplorable states in Nigeria so Nigerians can continue to think it is better to multiply like rats?

Johnjustice:
∆ Do you know about the conspiracy of condoms?
What did Bill Gates say about Africans during COVID?
Do you know the effect of COVID vaccine?
Go and study about how they plan to control African population etc, it's through vaccines, condom etc...not everything is conspiracy theories...and we are talking of vaccines here, stick to topic.

The effect of the COVID Vaccine wey we don take full booster for here?

Any ways, you didn't answer the actual question wey I ask you. You don't trust white folks but you use all they make including their 5G technology daily. Africans, who do una these things?

Judolisco:
Seriously if only dis man knows d effect that malaria vaccine will have in Africa, in Nigeria especially, he won't talk dis way.... If he was alive during d small pox era, he would have said d vaccine is fake as well....
After misleading your congregation, you'll go abroad for check up
Many of us dat have lost siblings and loved ones to malaria will gladly take d vaccine

The man obviously does not care that about 1 million children die of malaria each year in Africa. He is only interested in having his ego caressed by his gullible followers.

AbuTwins:
■Is it not nonsense and degrading for Jehovah to be shared 32 war virgin booties in Numbers 31:40?

Virgin is a reference to single women— women who were not married.

40 The soldiers got 16,000 women. They gave 32 women to the Lord.
41 Moses gave all these gifts for the Lord to Eleazar the priest, as the Lord had commanded him .
42 Then Moses counted the people’s half. This was their share that Moses had taken from the soldiers who had gone to war.
43 The people got 337,500 sheep,
44 36,000 cattle,
45 30,500 donkeys,
46 and 16,000 women.
47 Moses took one out of every 50 women and animals. He gave them to the Levites because they took care of the Lord’s Holy Tent. Moses did this as the Lord had commanded.
48 Then the leaders of the army (the leaders over 1000 men and the leaders over 100 men) came to Moses.
49 They told Moses, “We, your servants, have counted our soldiers. We have not missed any of them.
50 So we are bringing the Lord’s gift from every soldier. We are bringing things that are made of gold—armbands, bracelets, rings, earrings, and necklaces. This gift to the Lord is to make us pure.”
51 So Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted all these gold items from them.
52 The gold that the commanders and captains[c] gave to the Lord weighed about 424 pounds.[d]
53 The soldiers kept the rest of their share of the things they took in war.
54 Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold from the commanders and captains and then put that gold in the Meeting Tent. This present was a memorial before the Lord for the Israelites. - Numbers 31 - 40 - 54

And there is a promise that all of the holy gifts given to God belonged to the High Priest and his family, or something along those lines. I need to find where it is written.

Also, see slave ownership laws contained in the Law of Moses in Leviticus 25 vs 35 - 55

Danielle96:
■ So dear friend,what happened to COVID finally?

It is still very much here! Only that thanks to the vaccine, there are less people to spread it around than existed back in 2020.

AbuTwins, the sad reality of religion — whether it be Judaism, Christianity, and even Islam —is that every single one of them blinds their adherents from the reality of the God of Israel. The God of Israel is not wowed by anything other than absolute obedience to His Law. His only mandate has always been the absolute obedience of His Law. That is all!

You mention David in your response as having bowed in a direction towards the temple in his time, compiled psalms, etc., but none of that was the reason why David came to the attention of God. The only reason that God of Israel paid attention to David was the fact that David attained holiness through absolute obedience to the details of the Law, and was then approved righteous by God as a result. Yes, David became a holy, and then righteous man of God before God anointed him King over Israel. That was the sauce on David's life That was the same sauce that led to the God of Israel paying attention the men such as Daniel, Solomon, Moses, etc. God never answered their requests until after they each became holy and righteous through careful submission and obedience to the letter of His Law. .

David did what God wanted which was for Him to obey His Law to the letter and for this David became the apple of God's eye; the same applies to all others who carefully obey God's Law and become Holy and righteous by God's approval. All other things, including his personal choice to write psalms, sing songs, and bow in one direction as opposed to another, mean nothing to God. Turning all those nothings into religious rituals that you then live your lives by will lead you nowhere near the God of Israel. This is the same mistake the Israelites made, that led to God cursing them and scattering them all across the world today. It is the same mistake the clones of the first religion are also all making to this day.

AbuTwins:
■ Why would a book from 70 AD be quoting the old testament since the Qur'an can't quote earlier corrupted books?
■ Thank God it is not Qur'an i quoted. Deny it till eternity na your scriptures! Take what you agree with and dump the rest!
■ So Daniel is a sinner now let Yahweh throw him into Hell for praying like Muslims!
■ This is your David!
Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else. Psalm 138:1-2
This is your Solomon!
1 Kings 8:29
May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, 'My Name shall be there,' so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place.
This is David again!
Psalm 5:7
But I will enter Your house by the abundance of Your loving devotion; in reverence I will bow down toward Your holy temple.
This is David again!
Psalm 28:2
Hear my cry for mercy when I call to You for help, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.
And Daniel!
Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

Bye!

1. Your question makes no sense!

2. Are you trying really hard not to make any sense or something?

3. Is it me or is your ability to comprehend breaking down? Daniel did not sin since Daniel NEVER said that his personal choice to face Jerusalem had anything to do with God's Law.

4. I see I am dealing with someone who has obvious comprehension issues. For the umpteenth time God of Israel is not impressed by personal choices or ideas that are removed from His Law.

▶ David's personal choice to bow down towards the holy temple and give thanks to God was that, David's personal choice. This is clearly explained in what he said. God of Israel is not impressed by such things.
▶ Solomon never said God commanded that eyes be turned to the temple. God of Israel is not impressed by such things.
▶ David never said his personal choice to bow down towards the temple of God is to become a Law or ritual to be emulated. God of Israel is not impressed by such things.
▶ Daniel never said his personal choice to pray facing Jerusalem was to be emulated by others or added as part of some ritual for God. God of Israel is not impressed by such things.

Pay attention! Again, God's Law is the ONLY Guide that these men were commanded by God to live by using the Name of God. So these personal choices were not acts of obedience but merely, personal choices made by each one of them. God of Israel is not impressed by such things. Oi vey!

AbuTwins:
■ David had many wives! Saul had many wives! David acquired Saul's wives! David got too many wives!

Many + Many can also equal Many.
So, how did you ascertain that in this case MANY + MANY = TOO MANY?

How did you come to conclude that David's count was TOO MANY?

AbuTwins:
■ No! Hausas use Ubanjigi (Chief of gods)!
■ Allah is the God of Abraham and all of his descendants! Noah, Abraham and Moses didn't worship your God of Israel! Which God did they worship?

1. Well, Chief of gods seems more like it would fit references that replace God of gods or Lord of lords.

2. Huh?

AbuTwins:
■ No scientist can prove any manuscript of the old testament exists that can be traced to the time of Moses! Moses's writings is lost!
■ We believe in Moses and the Torah given to him by Allah to guide only his people!
■ Once again, the Book wasn't preserved!
Same as the Gospels!

Oh! So you need scientists to come prove to you that Moses actually obeyed God's commandment to Him? Then it means you don't believe Moses did as God commanded, right?

2. You sound exactly like the Christians who equally say they believe what is written in the Book they claim all while at the same time saying things that contradict that very claim.

You believe in Moses and the Torah but you don't believe Moses wrote the Torah as commanded by the God of Israel — YHWH. You need to review the meaning of the word Contradiction abeg!

3. Ah! So the original book written by Moses was not preserved means Moses did not in fact write the book of the Law? Yikes!

AbuTwins:
■ When did your New testament came to be quoting old testament? Na you sabi that God's law!
■ Whatever God calls worship we obey Him! At the onset of Islam, Muslims pray towards Jerusalem like the Jews until Allah changed it to Kaaba!
■ Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. Daniel 6:10 Emphasis had to be placed on where the window was opened yet you claimed it wasn't important!
■I understand the word "ritual" so I have no problem with it in sane discussions! Bye on this!

1. All of the books of the New Covenant/Testament were written before 70 AD, the same century that Jerusalem was destroyed. So what are you getting at? God's Law is the National Constitution of the Nation He constituted and they are contained in Scripture even to this day since they were passed down.

2. Which God? Praying in a direction means absolutely nothing since the God of Israel— YHWH— never commanded anyone to pray in the direction of Israel in any of His Laws!

3. That was Daniel's PERSONAL choice and nothing more. It was just Daniel choosing to do that in his case. Notice that Daniel never said, "YHWH, I am praying towards Jerusalem in the name of YHWH." Daniel could not have said that because God of Israel — YHWH never commanded that and it would have amounted to sin against God for Daniel to make such a declaration. And it is equally a sin against God to turn a personal choice like that made by Daniel into a ritual.

Remember, God of Israel said no man was allowed to add, remove, or change any part of His Law in Deuteronomy 4 vs 2 - 4.

AbuTwins:
■ So what name is used to represent YHWH in Arabic and Hausa Bible? ALLAH! One who submits in Arabic = Muslim!
■ Those Prophets were Muslims!

1. The name that represents Him is YHWH. The generic term used for almost all deities is God and that is the term that can be changed from language to language.

There is no such thing since all of them deny that as they all claim to worship instead the God of Israel and the name of the God of Israel is YHWH. I can equally say that my ancestors worshipped the God of Nigerians and in the Hausa language that would be a reference to Allah which is used as a generic name in some languages as you mentioned. But if you drill down to the actual name of the deity in question, you can find names like Obatala, Sango, Amadioha, Ogun, etc. This isn't rocket science!

2. Absolutely all of them said they worshipped the God of Israel and His Name is YHWH, so it does not work at all.

AbuTwins:
■ In Islam, David did not kill any Uriah nor did he as a Prophet commit adultery with anyone! He was an avid worshipper of Allah and whenever he recites the Psalms (not your Psalms of today of course) the animals would recite with him. He also fast one day and eats the next day!
■ Well, you can say that! But it's not only about David! Even Jesus prayed to the father with his face on the ground! Moses, Abram and many others did same! And it is proven there were facing a tabernacle or Holy Sanctuary!
■ And there's nothing like "Muslim ritual"! The Islam we practice is the final and most complete Islam! All Prophets did practiced Islam from Adam to Jesus and Muhammad! And they have their own legislated ways of Performing the Salat and paying the Zakat!

Interesting claim regarding David in a book that came to a non-Israelite more than 1600 years after the fact/event supposedly took place.

In Scripture, it is against God's Law to do that which is not commanded by God using His Name. None of those men prostate, knelt, lay down on the floor, or even stood to speak to God in the name of God, that is simply because God never preferred a position for such things. So, people are free to position themselves as they choose.

And yes, the bowing ritual is known in Islam. So why you deny it makes no sense. Look up the meaning of the word ritual if you are having a problem with that.

AbuTwins:
You said that. I never made the claim. Where is the proof that Moses wrote those books of old testament especially the Pentateuch?... You are mistaken! I believe in Adam, Noah, Moses, Aaron, Abraham, Jonah, Jacob, Ishmael, Isaac, Solomon, David, Joseph, Elijah, Elisha,.... Zacharia, John the Baptist and Jesus as God's Prophets and messengers! They were sent to their nations and people but not me! I do not follow any of them! The same God that send them also sent Muhammad to the whole world after Jesus. ...

Spare me the fables abeg!

14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write about this battle. Write these things in a book so that people will remember what happened here. And be sure to tell Joshua that I will completely destroy the Amalekites from the earth.”
15 Then Moses built an altar and named it, “The Lord is My Flag.”
16 Moses said, “I lifted my hands toward the Lord’s throne. So the Lord fought against the Amalekites, as he always has.” - Exodus 17 vs 14 - 17[/size]

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27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write everything that I have told you. This is the agreement that I made with you and the Israelites.” - Exodus 34 vs 27

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9 Then Moses wrote this Book of Teachings and gave it to the priests, who are from the tribe of Levi. They have the work of carrying the Lord’s Box of the Agreement. Moses also gave it to all the elders of Israel.
10 Then Moses spoke to the leaders. He said, “At the end of every seven years, in the Year of Freedom,[a] read these teachings at the Festival of Shelters. - Deuteronomy 31 vs 9 - 10

You claim you believe and follow Moses with your mouth yet your every word denies this fact. Moses is written to have written down the book of the Law of God, but you say Moses did not in fact write the book of the Law as claimed. So, how is that any different from what the other religionists say and do as well?

thrillionaire:
■ So you now call the word of God Paul's view?
■ So we can call the ones you've been quoting Jeremiah's view of things eh? Smh

2. Well, duh!

31 This is what the Lord said, “The time is coming when I will make a new agreement with the family of Israel and with the family of Judah.
32 It will not be like the agreement I made with their ancestors. I made that agreement when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. I was their master, but they broke that agreement.” This message is from the Lord.
33 “In the future I will make this agreement with the people of Israel.” This message is from the Lord. “I will put my teachings in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
34 People will not have to teach their neighbors and relatives to know the Lord, because all people, from the least important to the most important, will know me.” This message is from the Lord. “I will forgive them for the evil things they did. I will not remember their sins.” - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

You see those words announcing that those Words are God's very own Words, His view which we also know is everlasting?

AbuTwins:
■ He already had many! God made it too many!

How did you reach this conclusion that God made it too many?

AbuTwins:
■ The story is not our business here! The contradiction is your claim that God gave a law that Kings can have many wives but not too many! Then David with 7 God still gave him many more!

You are not making any sense.

con·tra·dic·tion

a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another

If a king is allowed many wives but not too many and God gives him many wives, where is the contradiction?
How were you able to determine that after God gave David many wives, David now had too many?

thrillionaire:
I never said Paul contradicted the word of God, you are the one implying so. 2cor5:17 already tells you the mind of God.

The verse you posted tells us absolutely nothing of that. All it does is express Paul's particular view of things. Rather, what tells us the mind of God is God Himself who said in Jeremiah 31 that the New agreement belonged to the House of Jacob, and His Son, Jesus Christ, confirmed this Truth of God in His Gospel. So, do you not believe this?

AbuTwins:
■ Who is ignorant? The Biblical God that contradicted Himself or you that brought ignorance up?
God made a law that the king must not have too many wives
Also, the king must not have too many wives, because that will make him turn away from the Lord. And he must not make himself rich with silver and gold. - Deuteronomy 17 vs 14 - 17
Then God gave King David Saul's wives after Saul
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.
If Polygamy is right for King David then the verse above is either a contradiction or simply false!
"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. "1 Kings 15:5.
How much is "many" and how much is "not to many"?

You seem to be struggling with the meaning of the word Contradiction Where exactly is this contradiction you claim? Let me guess, you know nothing of the story of David and Uriah, do you?
Or is this a desperate attempt to make a point where there is none to make or something?