₦airaland Forum

adeiza4u:
■ Happy Sunday Brethren. I recently discovered, that churches I thought are perfect still have some sinners among them; even the most conservative churches still have some persons who are swimming in sins despite the preaching of the sound word of God and biblical doctrines. So I humbly ask, can we have a complete, saintly, and perfect church on earth? Thanks.

Religion is a system designed by men with which to scam their fellow men and women with. There is nothing holy/perfect that can come from that which is antiChrist from its very foundation. Light cannot emanate from that which is darkness in its origin and intentions. So, you waste your time searching for the God of Israel(and His Son, Jesus Christ) from such.

dadexcel:
■ For my Christian brothers, please I need clarification on this... Today's topic in RCCG sunday school talked about heaven and those that are already there.... Some of whom include dead saints of Old, prophets etc.
■ My question is , based on what PAUL said in first thess 4 where he stated that at the trumpet sound the dead in Christ would rise first before we that are Holy at the time will meet them in the sky and we will finally join our saviour in heaven. So I need to know, if the dead saints are presently in heaven, who are the ones that will rise first at the trumpet sound.....

They lied to you. There is nobody in Heaven(Eternal Reward) or Hell(Eternal Damnation). All of the prophets of Old, without exclusion, remain in their graves, sleeping, to this very day, waiting for the time of the resurrection, like the other righteous men of old, including the followers of Jesus Christ.

2. Paul is still in his grave to this day, waiting for Jesus Christ to return and judge even him. The resurrection will happen for them all when Jesus Christ returns. That is what Jesus Christ taught His followers. No one is allowed into Heaven(Eternal Damnation) or Hell(Eternal Damnation) until after Jesus Christ has first returned and judged His flock.

So, these people who tell you that there are people already in Heaven or in Hell(in the Kingdom of God) are liars and scammers who only seek to steal from you using the name of God.

muyico:
How i wish he show u d sign he shown saul which was later call paul. Saul was like u b4 met him 1 on 1

Jesus Christ did not show Saul that sign. Rather, it was the God of Israel, YHWH, who showed that sign to almost every young man and woman in the land of Judah around that same time.

28 “After this, I will pour out my Spirit on all kinds of people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will have dreams, and your young men will see visions.
29 In those days I will pour out my Spirit even on servants, both men, and women.
30 I will work wonders in the sky and on the earth. There will be blood, fire, and thick smoke.
31 The sun will be changed into darkness, and the moon will be as red as blood. Then the great and fearful day of the Lord will come!
32 And everyone who trusts in the Lord will be saved. There will be survivors on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, just as the Lord said. Yes, those left alive will be the ones the Lord has called. - Joel 2 vs 28 - 32

Saul's experience was not at all unique and that experience from God of Israel, YHWH, happened and eventually came to a close about 1900 years ago.

Sokere8:
God is a sovereign spirit being who is always there to listen and grant our requests. When we make a request to our earthly parents, first, they examine the necessity of our demand, before it is either granted, postpone or cancelled. This is same with God. He answers all our prayers just that the answer may not come the way we expected it. Today, let’s look at the different forms God answers our prayers.
1)  “Yes!”    
“Whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and you will see it fulfilled.”                    Mark 11:24
It is normal to expect a “yes” answer to all our requests.  Faith makes us believe before we see the manifestation of the answer. Getting a “yes” answer makes the heart joyful. God loves us so each time we ask for something good, He never fails in granting our heart desires.
Also, perseverance in our prayers goes a long way in facilitating our answer. If you show seriousness about what you want it could soften the heart of the King to grant your request speedily.
2) “No!”
   “You ask, and you do not receive, because you ask badly, in order to satisfy your passions!” James 4.3
There was a day I was using a scissors to cut some clothes, my two years old niece saw me and wanted to collect the scissors, probably because she thought it was some toy. I always gave her things to play with but I refused to give her the scissors. She must have thought in her little mind that I hated her not knowing that I was only shielding her from hurting herself.
When we ask for something from God, we assume what we want is good for us. But most times what we want might not be good for us. God, being an omniscience might decide not to grant our request. He knows exactly what is best for us. He knows very well that in granting certain prayers, there would be harmful consequences on our lives, or that of others, in the medium or long term.
It could be a particular country you want to relocate to and you have prayed about it but the visa processing keeps bouncing. God may not want you to go there because of possible dangers He sees in the future over there. He could also have a better place or plan for your life. But most of us would prefer to whine about our unsuccessful attempts instead of depending on God for the fulfilment of His purpose in our lives.
Another aspect that people hate to get a “No” is in the area of marriage. Probably because one had already fallen deeply in love with their partner, so when God says “NO!” they find it difficult to obey. There are huge consequences that follow every disobedience and great blessings for every obedience. It is good to always accept His “No” response while we wait for His direction. 

You see, Scripture states that God does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous; the pleas and requests and every petition, praise, offering, work, plea, sacrifice, etc., of the unrighteous are tainted by their sins(disobedience/unholiness) and are hence an abomination to God. So, what is definite is that even your many pleas for the forgiveness of sins are not answered by God given that God made no special exemptions for that kind of plea. No amount of praying can cause God to change His mind regarding that which concerns the unrighteous by the way. So if you are thinking of prescribing more prayers that only means you don't understand or know God at all.

God, however, openly bragged about how He only answers the prayers of the righteous; He delights in granting them the desires of their heart meaning that they are those who he loves. For this very reason, Jesus Christ urged His followers to seek first the Kingdom of God and God's Righteousness so that all things— the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God(holiness), answers to prayers included—shall be added on to them. As Jesus Christ explained in His Gospel, the only way to become Holy, and then also Righteous, is by way of continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, god's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of god - John 8 vs 31 - 36 & John 14 vs 15 - 23. Jesus Christ is the only way. Obedience to the Truth of God is the only path to God and His righteousness. No amount of praying and other religious rituals can accomplish that.

God deals indirectly with the unrighteous, the same way He deals with the unbelievers including the wicked and the ungrateful and that is by pouring out His mercy and kindness on them daily. So every time as an unrighteous you feel that God has answered your prayer know that at that same moment, or moments before that, God also provided the same mercy or similar to someone else across the world — or maybe just across from you— who does not even believe in God, nor asked God for anything. So, if answers from God are what you seek, then do what Jesus Christ said you should, which is to seek first the Kingdom of God(holiness), and then God's righteousness, so that all these things —the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God(including answers to prayers) can be added to you.

badthinds:
■ Good people of Nigeria. I greet you this morning. Yesterday, I made a Post. I didn't think about the implications. Later that day, I went meditating on the post. The post was about the Onan's incidence; where 'God' killed him for not bearing children from his brother's widow...though it didn't look like his fault. (Genesis 38:9). Now, my question is quite simple. Even though this may not be a christian tradition. I want to believe God is God of yesterday, today and tomorrow...and he never change because he said so. Now, will God kill me for not taking my deceased brother's wife?. Sincerely, I need proficient answers.

First, show us where God said you must take your brother's wife as your own in the event of his death. Why are you Christians so mentally lazy and foolish? Why would you simply conclude without evidence or reference that the traditions of the people of the time had anything to do with God?

EnemyofGod2:
■ SUFFER ON EARTH AND GET RICH IN HEAVEN IS THE BIGGEST SCÀM AFRICANS HAVE EVER FACEED.
CHRISTIANS ARE LAUGHING AT THIS PASTOR, YOUR JESUS CHRIST SAID THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS IN HIS FATHER HOUSE 🏡 WHICH WEED DID JESUS SMOKE 🚭, WHAT'S THE USE OF MANSIONS WITHOUT RANGE ROVER ? OR DO YOU WANT TO WALKING 🚶 NÀKED IN THE STREETS OF HEAVEN.

But Jesus Christ never said to suffer on earth and get rich in Heaven. So, what weed is the pastor himself smoking that he would not even bother to read the book for his own mind's sake?

erad:
■ Now a number of people might not understand this question. If I was never created, I'll exist in oblivion. No memories or experiences. No struggles about how to please everyone or no one at all. No implied rules to live by. No fear of the uncertainty of the future. And so on...
■ So why should I be grateful for something I never asked for or wanted?

If you were never created, you would not exist at all, not even in what you term oblivion. There would simply be no you.

2. People who don't reason at all use that brain damage to comfort themselves in their foolishness.

lonikit:
■ OK the verse doesn't affect our generation

What that suggestion implies is that the Word of Jesus Christ only applied as far as those who walked with Him. Those who came after are not in fact disciples of Jesus Christ but pretenders.

hemartins:
It is a reality. It all depends on your level of Faith.

What? The reality of what? Where?

lonikit:
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Interesting question. It is because what exists today is not of Jesus Christ but that which pretends to be of Him in name only — of the antiChrist.

Momentofprayer:
.....

This is all a scam and nothing more.

You see, Scripture states that God does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous; the pleas and requests and every petition, praise, offering, work, plea, sacrifice, etc., of the unrighteous are tainted by their sins(disobedience/unholiness) and are hence an abomination to God. So, what is definite is that even your many pleas for the forgiveness of sins are not answered by God given that God made no special exemptions for that kind of plea. No amount of praying can cause God to change His mind regarding that which concerns the unrighteous by the way. So if you are thinking of prescribing more prayers that only means you don't understand or know God at all.

God, however, openly bragged about how He only answers the prayers of the righteous; He delights in granting them the desires of their heart meaning that they are those who he loves. For this very reason, Jesus Christ urged His followers to seek first the Kingdom of God and God's Righteousness so that all things— the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God(holiness), answers to prayers included—shall be added on to them. As Jesus Christ explained in His Gospel, the only way to become Holy, and then also Righteous, is by way of continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, god's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of god - John 8 vs 31 - 36 & John 14 vs 15 - 23. Jesus Christ is the only way. Obedience to the Truth of God is the only path to God and His righteousness. No amount of praying and other religious rituals can accomplish that.

God deals indirectly with the unrighteous, the same way He deals with the unbelievers including the wicked and the ungrateful and that is by pouring out His mercy and kindness on them daily. So every time as an unrighteous you feel that God has answered your prayer know that at that same moment, or moments before that, God also provided the same mercy or similar to someone else across the world — or maybe just across from you— who does not even believe in God, nor asked God for anything. So, if answers from God are what you seek, then do what Jesus Christ said you should, which is to seek first the Kingdom of God(holiness), and then God's righteousness, so that all these things —the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God(including answers to prayers) can be added to you.

NoWorries7:
Based on my own understanding. I can't explain it. Sometimes a joy will just overwhelm you, and you just start singing inside, and praising GOD. Because the spirit, is always aware of the works of the LORD, in your life... Just remember, whenever that joy comes, take note of the song that follows it... The joy always comes with a song... From the spirit. Mostly when the LORD has done a new thing in your life, unknown to you...

This response is nonsense!

sholay2011:
REPENT

Here's my direct challenge to you.
● Read through the Gospel of Jesus Christ and show us exactly where Jesus Christ, in His Words, said He would send His apostles out as Pastors, Prophets, and Teachers(Evangelists).
● Next, in the Words of Jesus Christ, show where it is written that the Apostles of Jesus Christ will dream dreams and see visions given to them by Jesus Christ.
● After that, Show where Jesus Christ, informed His disciples/apostles that He would send them prophecies and whatnot as part of His agreement — New Testament —with them. I would very much like to read your discovery.

sholay2011:
■ Your response is just not making sense. The same Jesus that gave His body apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers abi?
■ It's interesting you pulled verses from the Old Testament and could not counter what I stated. The role of a prophet in the Old testament (where they carried great authority) is clearly different from their role in the New testament (which was why despite Agabus prophesying to Paul in Acts 21 regarding what could happen if he went to Jerusalem, Paul still went ahead to Jerusalem).
■ In the New testament, prophecy is no longer our primary source for direction and guidance, since as children of God we can be led by the Holy Spirit. Rather, it should be for confirmation but God still use it in areas of direction, especially when it has to do with things of larger scope (that is, not limited to individuals, like Agabus prophesying about a famine in Judea in Acts 11). 1 Corinthians 14:3 says But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.
■ Once again, prophets in the New Testament: Acts 13:1: Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

1. Jesus Christ NEVER did any of what you claim there. He sent His followers out as apostles, not as prophets or pastors or teachers(evangelists). He said He alone was Teacher -Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 -, Prophet(He said He was the last sent by God), and Shepherd(Pastor) - John 10 vs 7 - 16 - to His flock. So, was Jesus Christ nothing but a liar?

2. I am not certain what you mean I could not counter. According to the book of Numbers - Numbers 12 vs 1 - 6, a Prophet is anyone whom God spoke to through dreams and visions. What do you mean by differences in roles?

3. But Jesus Christ, the one who is Himself the New Testament, NEVER instituted prophecy or the gift thereof to any of HIs followers. The only signs to follow every one of His followers are as outlined in Mark 16 vs 17 - 19 and it doesn't include prophecy — dreaming of dreams and seeing visions. So, where does this idea of yours come from since it does not come from the Gospel as given by Jesus Christ Himself?

4. Again, this idea of Prophets you have in the New testament is missing from the Gospel(New Testament) of Jesus Christ. Ever wondered why?

Beautifulday:
■ You talk like someone who doesn't understand English. Most of your writing are contrary to the English explanation used.

Be more specific! Give an example!

Administration1:
■ If you feel so

It is not a feeling! All pastors are scammers, some greater than others, but scammers nonetheless.

Beautifulday:
■ It is stated in that verse that the gift was given to him by prophecy through they laying of hands.
The English too much for you to understand abi the writer made mistake?

The Prophecy stated by the prophet Joel in Joel 2 revealed that every young man and young woman in the land of Zion during the last days would become a prophet— young men see visions and young women see dreams, same as prophets before their time. Is that not a prophecy by which the gift of prophecy was received by all at that time?

sholay2011:
■ What are you saying?
Acts 11:27-28: ²⁷ And in these days prophets came from Jerusalem to Antioch. ²⁸ Then one of them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius Caesar.
Acts 21:10-11: ¹⁰ And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. ¹¹ When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’ ”
Agabus was a prophet.
The four daughters of Philip for example, had the gift of prophecy.

What most people who claim to believe don't realize is that God's original plan had been to speak directly to the people of Israel Himself. But the people, too afraid, demanded that Moses speak to them on behalf of God instead.

18 During all this time, the people in the valley heard the thundering and saw the lightning on the mountain. They saw smoke rising from the mountain and heard the sound of the trumpet. They were afraid and shook with fear. They stood away from the mountain and watched.
19 Then the people said to Moses, “If you want to speak to us, then we will listen. But please don’t let God speak to us. If this happens, we will die.”
20 Then Moses said to them, “Don’t be afraid! God has come to test you. He wants you to respect him so that you will not sin.”
21 The people stood far away from the mountain while Moses went to the dark cloud where God was.
22 Then the Lord told Moses to say this to the Israelites: “You people have seen that I talked with you from heaven. - Exodus 20 vs 18 - 22

It is for this reason that God of Israel, YHWH, set up His system of Prophets.

1. The God of Israel, YHWH, is the one who instituted the Prophet's system as part of His Old Law of Moses

The Lord heard this.
3 (Moses was a very humble man. He was more humble than any other man on earth.)
4 So suddenly, the Lord came and spoke to Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. He said, “You three, come to the Meeting Tent, now!”
So Moses, Aaron, and Miriam went to the Tent.
5 The Lord came down in the tall cloud and stood at the entrance to the Tent. He called out, “Aaron and Miriam!” They went to him.
6 God said, “Listen to me! You will have prophets. I, the Lord, will let them learn about me through visions. I will speak to them in dreams. - Numbers 12 vs 1 -6

2. The same God of Israel announced through Daniel that before the end of Last Days — the conclusion of His Judgment against the Nation of Israel(and Judah), He would bring to an end the time of the Prophets and visions.

24 “God has allowed 70 weeks for your people and your holy city, Daniel. The 70 weeks are ordered for these reasons: to stop doing bad things, to stop sinning, to make people pure, to bring the goodness that continues forever, to put a seal on visions and prophets , and to dedicate a very holy place. - Daniel 9 vs 24

3. The same God of Israel, YHWH, announced through the prophet Joel that before the end of the Last Days, He would pour out His Spirit on all young men and women in the land of Zion.

28 “After this, I will pour out my Spirit on all kinds of people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will have dreams, and your young men will see visions.
29 In those days I will pour out my Spirit even on servants, both men and women.
30 I will work wonders in the sky and on the earth. There will be blood, fire, and thick smoke.
31 The sun will be changed into darkness, and the moon will be as red as blood. Then the great and fearful day of the Lord will come!
32 And everyone who trusts in the Lord will be saved. There will be survivors on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, just as the Lord said. Yes, those left alive will be the ones the Lord has called. - Joel 2 vs 28 - 32

Jesus Christ was the last prophet sent by God to the people of Israel as this is noted both in the parable spoken by Jesus Christ Himself. John the Baptist was the last of the Old Covenant prophets sent by the God of Israel. Jesus Christ confirmed this Himself. All the other prophets that came after those two are a result of God pouring out His Spirit on all of the daughters and sons of Zion in the land during the same generation that the disciples lived in. This all took place about 1900 years ago.

Bankowner:
If you have this many people that were purportedly ruined under the Bishop, they should come out and talk. You cannot be their mouthpiece. If you were a victim yourself, then relay your story.

Search Nairaland alone, the news plenty. The problem is the stay-in-place culture of Nigerian victims of crime. So do not come here to pretend you are not aware of th many problems your churches breed.

PastorOlokonla:
That there is true christianity! All churches should so the same!

Yes, true Christianity after spending lavishly on private jets and amassing wealth over decades in offshore banks to the tune of millions of dollars. Congratulations.

PARADIZEPRIEST:
GOOOOOOD! [b]THIS IS WHAT GENUINE CHURCHES SHOUD BE DOING DAIL[/b]Y LIKE OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST THAUGHT US TO FEED THE HINGRY,GIVE DRONK TO THIRSTY,CLOTHE THE NAKED. ALL GENUINE PENTECOSTAL DO SAME CCC DO SAME,AS YOU HAVE DONE ALWAYS. IFSHA.

After how many private jets, and years of lavish living? Hooray!

Administration1:
■ My brother, I have someone who has suffered for 13 years under that church, a month after his wedding, he was "released"! This guy cried his eyes out, omo, the slavery going on in that Church alone, he kept saying he regretted no joining some of his colleagues who stole and ran away. Imagine a Pastor working there for 35 years and not having a landed property, he was given 600k as severance after everything. (Township District of the Church in Port-Harcourt)
His son that recently left him to start his own church was put in charge of salaries once and he the son immediately increased the salary by 200% , next you know Isaac was sent away for foreign mission and the salary reverted to the previous stage. Do you also know that posting of Pastors is one man know man levels?

So your friend too was a scammer like his boss?

Newphil:
Oyedepo said, “In recognition of the challenges facing the rest of the world, particularly in our country, the church by the prompting of the Holy Spirit is opening food banks along our various districts and clothing stocks. No member must beg for bread. No member must go naked. No children must go in rags.”
He also encouraged members to donate items to the food banks as God gives them grace. He said, “Put them together in our various districts, a bag of rice, half bag, one quarter a jar of oil, whatever you have for that is the New Testament Church”. Many have baby dresses stacked up in their house, bring them out. Mathew 25 v 30-40 is coming back where we are called to clothe the naked, visit the sick, and provide for the hungry.”

For members only? Well, let's hope this means they get access to at least some of the money they have donated to this man's empire all thee many decades

Splinz:
There were no more prophets after Jesus. And till today, there are non except impostors. However, there will be last two great prophets at the close of age, Revelation 11:3-12.

This is not true! What John revealed in Revelations 11 are events pasts for us. Events that took place almost 1900 years ago. There are no prophets of Old coming.

Beautifulday:
■ Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. 1 Timothy 4: 14. Timothy received a gift by prophecy which was delivered by a prophet.

The gift of Prophecy was of God's Old Law of Moses - Numbers 12 vs 1 - 6. The same God said that in the last days, rather than send special men, He would pour out the gift of prophecy — visions and dreams — on all the young men and the young women in the land of Zion during the last days of His final Judgment against the Nation of Israel(and Judah). Timothy was a young man in the land of Zion at the time in question. That is why he got the gift as well.

malvisguy212:
■ 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them.
37 Then LAST OF ALL HE SENT HIS SON TO THEM, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’
38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’

It is clear that the owner of the vineyard is the Father, the vineyard is the nation of Israel, the servants are the prophets of the theocracy, the son is Christ, and the wicked farmers are the generations of the nation's leaders. Jesus is the last.

Indeed, Jesus Christ was the Last Prophet sent by God. As Jesus Christ said, John the Baptist was the last of the Old Law Prophets of God sent from God.

sholay2011:
■ Definitely. Check out the story of Prophet Agabus in the book of Acts.

Agabus was not a Prophet sent from God to the people of Israel. Rather, because of the Prophet Joel's prophecy that in the Last days, God would pour out His spirit and make prophets of every young man and woman —sinners and non-sinners alike—in the land, Agabus, gained the gift of prophecy as well.

Mario1989:
The early minutes u missed might be the time the holy spirit will visit the church...

That is a very ridiculous assertion and belief you and OP hold there. You actually believe that the Holy Spirit is concerned with things such as your church attendance and how early or late you are? Na wa ooo. Religion don blaskata people mind tay!

greatiyk4u:
∆ Please Nairalanders, was there any Biblical record of prophets after Jesus Christ?
If No,why all the Prophets in this our Generation?

1. There are rightly no records of Prophets sent by God in the Land after Jesus Christ because as Jesus Christ made known to you before He died, John the Baptist was the last of the Prophets of YHWH. No others were sent by God of Israel after Him.

Additionally, after the last days had ended almost 1900 years ago, God put a seal on Prophets and Visions. So everyone who has since come to you claiming to be of Him have been nothing but liars and scammers in sheep's clothing.

Beautifulday:
∆ Your own dey your body. You dey always turn bible upside down

i turned the bible upside down by asserting what is in fact written in it. Are you not even ashamed to say you believe in God when you disbelieve everything He in fact says?

DeLioncourt:
■ I doubt the authenticity of those online copies jare. Besides, many of them usually copy from other online sources so you never know what's authentic online. I hear it's almost impossible to access the original copy.

Have you ever read the book yourself? Or you simply wish to cast down the opinions of others who may have all because you wish to believe in the claims that it contains mysteries and magic?

Beautifulday:
■ I am not talking about doctrine. I am talking about people giving glory go the God of their pastor whom they don't know just because he does miracle.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the God of Israel. And He made it clear by way of His teachings and commandments that no man can give glory to His Son Jesus Christ. So when Churchians say they give glory to Him, this after He previously made clear He does not get glory from men, doesn't that serve as indication that Jesus Christ is not in fact the one whom they serve?

Additionally, Jesus Christ did make it abundantly clear that all those who major in claiming to use His name to do miracles and wonders are not of Him --- He never knew them - Matthew 7 vs 20 - 23. Hope you see how important it is to pay attention to the doctrines and traditions?