₦airaland Forum

Franking:
↪You and who? Did you even read before huffing and puffing?

The leaders of the protest this time around are not invisible; the people are leading themselves. Let's not continue to perpetuate this lie of invisible leaders introduced by politicians to manipulate the situation. The power has always belonged rightly to the people who now lead themselves in protest.

nairalanda1:
↪How do you think we pay for the subsidy every year? And yes, you called me a supporter of APC anti-people policies...which shows you do not understand why I oppose subsides.
↪Sorry, but I am sick and tired of being abused by people who choose to play insuination because they support a people's agenda, and I dont
Why bring in APC Into a subsidy issue that has been on for decades? I mean why? Go and read my previous writeup, and look at the diagram, and think.

1. Dude, I am gonna clock out at this point as it seems I am talking to someone who is struggling with comprehension issues. I can't be saying Tala-n-tolo while you rebut with Tolo-n-tala. I no fit do that one today abeg!

Jemex003:
↪And Your Mourning Minister is Competent right? Hero beer has taken your people sense I swear

I don't know what your mourning minister means. But I suggest you kindly avoid me if you are lacking in the comprehension department since I am up to here with rambles from folks like that today. Try your luck tomorrow!

nairalanda1:
↪It also made things worse and laid the foundation for the economic problems and debt we have now. The thing about subsidy is simple...it rises in proportion to the cost of production. Because all our petrol is produced abroad...the cost of producing it is very high, and that means that subsidising it would become more expensive. If subsidy had been kept for fuel to be N65, by now subsidy costs would have gone up from N2 per liter as at January 2012, to N1100 per liter today.
↪It would have created a large hole in our budgets, meaning that the amount of loans we take would have risen, which means we would have had a debt eating up our revenue, the loans we take and any money we do not have right now. GEJ was right in 2012 TO TRY TO do a total removal of subsidy. But you guys refused to see. Had he done so, we would have had fuel selling at very high prices, but we won't have a ragingly high debt of over 100 trillion naira and a naira that is falling madly vs the dollar as it is now.

1. Something tells me you don't have a real grasp of the why of fuel subsidy in the first place. Your focus on the subsidy issues seems too one-dimensional to have a real conversation as to why the people are suffering even today. It is not merely about subsidies but the fact that for the last 25 years, the Government of Nigeria has majorly refused to invest heavily in infrastructure development as well as the implementation of common sense pro-people and pro-business policies to help make the removal of subsidies have little to no effect on at least the common man and businesses.

2. GEJ was wrong to attempt subsidy removal BEFORE first ensuring significant infrastructural development, implementation of pro-people and pro-business, as well as anti-corruption policies, were solidly in place. You don't pull the rug from under the people's feet and then shout, "Oh yeah, I am right."

MichaelSokoto:
Jonathan that had the total support of almost everybody then is the major cause of our present predicament! He was too clueless to wat was happening around him!

Exactly! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

nairalanda1:
↪I agree with your second paragraph, but for different reasons As for your first paragraph, read the message I worte and then look at the diagram again, and then think more.
↪My apologies, but calling me anti-people or an APC supporeter shows you have no understanding of why I support subsidy removal...and why keeping subsides has harmed the poor more than it should
↪If subsidy was benefiting the poor, we won't be having the problems we have been having for decades now, would we? You are free to disagree with me, and I believe APC and PDP are junk houses, with issues, but on subsidy, it has to go. Otherwise we would have a deficit that would one day dwarf our budget, and when that happens, you would cry for the subsidy to go And don't call me an APC supporter again.

Where do you have me calling you an APC supporter or anti-people for that matter?

2. Subsidy harm the poor? Benefit the poor? Do you understand what a subsidy is? I really don't understand your argument at all.

nairalanda1:
↪What many people do not know about my subsidy removal support is that it started when GEJ was in power. I did not like GEJ, and I never supported him (or APC for that matter...it has always been my policy since I first voted to back smaller parties)....but there was a cold reason why he removed subsides
See the image below
See subsidy costs in 2010
See subsidy costs in 2011, after which GEJ did a partial removal
See subsidy costs in 2012 after the partial removal
Now see what Buhari did in 2015, when he did a inital total removal, before he brought it back
See how much we spent in 2015.
See how it was after 2015
See what happened when subsidy came back in 2016/17 and what happened thereafter?
And some people will abuse you for supporting subsidy removal. It is not about which side you supported, it is about what it is doing to our economy.

I don't understand your argument at all. Subsidy removal has never really been the main issue. It is pulling the rug right from under the feet of the people without first ensuring there were pro-business and pro-people policies implemented to cushion the effects of the removal and allow people to sufficiently cope afterwards that is the problem.

All of the APC government policies to date have been majorly anti-people and anti-business. You don't need me to tell you this. So, try to explain better what exactly it is you are driving at.

Franking:
↪Since visible leaders have refused to come out and lead protests this time let invisible ones lead then. Protests are even more necessary this time.

LOL... The people told you that this time around they lead their selves. Why are you huffing and puffing against that?

Omoawoke:
↪Your agenda has always been Tinubu must go! Nothing has ever changed about it

So, what? The man has been incompetent and corrupt since his days as Lagos State Governor, and he has gone on to prove even this fact from day one of his usurping of the mandate of the Nigerian people in 2023. Am I not allowed to keep pointing out how incompetent and corrupt Tinubu has been since his days in Lagos State? What law says I cannot do this?

nlfpmod:
The spokesman reiterated the command’s readiness to enforce the dusk-to-dawn curfew, which was earlier imposed on the affected towns to maintain law and order.
“While recognising the right to peaceful assembly, the command stresses that this right is not absolute and must not infringe on the rights of others. Any criminal acts will be met with firm resistance.
“The command reiterates its commitment to upholding law and order and warns against violent protests that could lead to social and economic chaos,” he said.
The spokesman urged communities in the state to collaborate with the police to prevent further mayhem caused by miscreants.

Arrest them, not shoot at them. That is common sense. If a person commits a crime, the job of the police is to arrest such a person, not assassinate such a person.

Promalcy:
God save us pls

He does not do that. The last 100 years is more than proof of this.

kmaster007:
IG said any attack on police officers they should shoot

... and kill protestors?

Video after video instead shows that the police attacked the protestors, not the other way around.

SATANICALLY:
↪ https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/08/day-2-protesters-defy-curfew-hold-protest-in-kano-lg/

Color me impressed with the movement in Kano. I sincerely hope it is not a tainted movement.

SaintNegro77:
Nigerian factor. Every Nigerian is wicked from birth

It is really easy to mouth off in that way without real understanding, isn't it?

Godszilla:
↪Strangely locally produced rice that was suppose to encourage local production and drive the populace towards locally made produce,has only had the opposite effect. It has not only increased the price of the foreign rice astronomically but is now more expensive than the foreign rice. As at today local rice selling @ 86k while the foreign is @ 82k long grain. What's really happening?how did we get to this point? Its scary and sad

You don consider cost of water, electricity, transport, etc., wey be part of production cost for farmers? You don consider say your farmers too dey pay rent, dey suppose make profit wey dem go also use pay their utilities, children school fees, buy other food chop— no be rice alone dem dey chop? Abi, you think say an only you get life wey require funding? Or you think farming is done by farmers for fun?

Goodnewsforlife:
↪ they are serious cos they are causing chaos that the igbos want We yorubas have once been in d same shoes before during endsars but we are wiser now it's the turn of the north to play into the hands of igbos, after this they too will have sense n anytime igbos are gaslighting them to protest they will have sense. U can see sheu sanni,sarki n co have now seen that they have been played by igbos

Your kind of stewpidity is not sold in the Market at all that is because it is probably from birth.

The North which you are ignorant of protested during the EndSars. Even women in Katsina called for Buhari to step down from Government.
EndSars in Jigawa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myQ41BLUU_s?si=bkZYWilKqAARVLCH

EndSars in Taraba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nylFzsn1B54?si=lsTOf8Tj55N6json

EndSars call for Buhari to resign from Katsina Women

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4X9a1fsreQ?si=1VAwrMDFJt6Pqp63

The North does not need any other group to tell it whether to protest or not as you would have learned for yourself if you had been following the events leading up to this protest. They started protesting up north before August 1st, but you would not know this since your own ignorance comes jam-packed in your very cells.

SmartPolician:
Oga, this is not the point now. The point is that there's hunger in the land and Tinubu needs to address it.

Tinubu has already shown you what he can do. In just one year, he succeeded in bringing Nigeria to its knees. What more do you need from such a person?

Melagros:
↪COMRADES, what do you think? If Peter Obi, Atiku Abubakar, Omoyele Sowore or Pst. Yemi Osinbanjo had won the 2023 presidential election and then he eliminates the fuel subsidy regime, would there be hardship which will lead to protest today?
↪Or do you think the other candidates could have performed better or differently with the subsidy removal?

Yes! Subsidy removal should have been gradual, and this after the installation of several pro-people and pro-business policies to ensure the people are able to sufficiently cope after its removal.

Nigeria should avoid recycling incompetence and also push to make sure those with criminal records or records of mismanaging public funds never get another chance at office. A non-Kakistocratic government should be the general goal at this point in time. 25 years, we don suppose learn this bitter lesson well well.

2. Nigeria needs new blood removed from the ugly and damaged political soup of the last 25 years at least.

ResidentSnitch:
↪Some of you actually lack proper education. So police should just shoot to kill anyone looting public property? Imagine thousands of people who reason like you. You need serious brain restructuring.

help me ask them ooo! 😐😐

oyatainer:
↪ Simply put, Northern Governor too over see the killing going on now because I can't remember seeing Tinubu making order to shoot but we heard shoot at sight during Buhari.

The Police IGP whose tenure was recently illegally extended by Tinubu's regime only days ago is responsible for the shooting of protestors. He, the IGP, told you this in his interview today.

jkpbestseries:
Did the north protest during endsars? You people are doing now becos is a southern president

Yes, the North Protested during EndSars and there is video evidence of this all over the place. Kastina Women protested during EndSars against Buhari as well.

EndSars in Jigawa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myQ41BLUU_s?si=bkZYWilKqAARVLCH

EndSars in Taraba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nylFzsn1B54?si=lsTOf8Tj55N6json

EndSars call for Buhari to resign from Katsina Women

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4X9a1fsreQ?si=1VAwrMDFJt6Pqp63

Omoapena:
↪Lolz, so, the people have the right to steal and vandalize at will cause there's no law that frowns at it?

Again, where in the Law does it explicitly state that those caught vandalizing properties or looting at to be shot at and killed? What part of your Constitution gives your government the right to condemn and execute Nigerian citizens at will? I need to know how you came about justifying the killings

Naira20:
...

Is this one saying he will not try to defend himself at all in the case of an attack? Please do not dispense with your right to defend yourself in the event of an attack oo!

AfeezShomorin:
↪ I'm sure you would not write this rubbish if you were the owner of those shops and you were helplessly watching a group of marauding thieves loot everything you have worked for all your life!

Does the Law state that thieves are to be killed instantly or sentenced to death? I don't understand your reasoning at all!

Jemex003:
↪ Buhari government murdered Igbo’s heaven know fall. Behave like animal and die like animal

Actually, Buhari isn't the one responsible for the killings in the South East. It was your South Eastern Governors that OK'ed the Military incursion.

AfeezShomorin:
↪Do you even know the meaning of the word assassination?

You tell me!

Omoapena:
↪ Would they have been killed if they weren't destroying properties, and causing havoc? ....

Where in the Law in Nigeria does it explicitly state that those caught vandalizing properties or looting at to be shot at and killed? What part of your Constitution gives your government the right to condemn and execute Nigerian citizens at will? I need to know how you came about justifying the killings.

LockDown69:
9. Today in Borno State, we recorded one incident of explosion which occurred in the crowd of protesters killing 4 instantly and severely injuring 34 others, many of whom are presently on danger list.
This was no explosion, they were shot dead, execution style @ a fueling station, bullet wounds suggests headshots.

Thank you! People were literally assassinated and some of the shootings were caught on camera. How can police shoot live ammunition at unarmed protestors, some of whom resorted to throwing stones back at their attackers?

Mummyimbecile:
I like the fact that Northerners joined the protest. But let me reiterate, South Easterners will not join...thank you all.
Day 2. We are watching, and the planet is listening

Joined the protests? Northerners protested in 2012, in 2020 during the EndSars as well, so, what do you mean they joined? https://www.nairaland.com/8172710/ethnic-coloration-protests-2012-subsidy