₦airaland Forum

Joebie:
yes and don't underrate people's ideas because they are just Nairaland warriors. There are diamonds in the rough everywhere.

Yea u are right when i see some comments here,i used to ask myself why some are not into coaching or sport management.

Joebie:
probably a response on the papers saying, "anyone who thinks they are good enough should come to camp. I don't believe the hype"

OK but u know what we just need to commit those willing to play coz they may come good 2moro,see Uzoho a third keeper in his set now first choice at Deportivo.

Joebie:
that's how they treated Alaba, Adekanye etc
I dislike people who discriminate.

Thank u my brother, why are we ignoring those who want to play for Nigeria but instead pursuing those who are not willing,Kenneth Otigba is there ready to play, we lost Manuel Akanji coz we didn't show a bit interest.

tbaba1234:
This boy has wanted to play for 9ja for a long time. NFF should get to work.

The question we should ask is what was Amuneke response to the letter.

Mickael2:
Point of correction.

You see everybody misunderstands the point. I am not saying call back Martins, Osaze etc etc and plug them straight into the starting eleven and do away with the other players, no. Iheanacho, Ighalo, Moses Simon etc etc have been playing since, how and why can we not sacrifice a single game for the likes of Martins, Osaze etc etc to show what they can still offer? If they come and play well, fine, if they don't we have nothing to lose, it's a win-win situation. We are going to the world cup, not Afcon where we might have just a short window to prepare. Here we will have more than a month to prepare so saying that thesame set of players must be invited all the time just to build team unity/spirit going to the world cup does not make sense.


To Taiwo, yes I have and will continue to ask for his inclusion. Is Echejile better than Taiwo? I mean Taiwo plays week in week out in Finland, Finland is better than Cyprus where ironically our RB comes from. Now you may come at him for his age but he is thesame age as Mikel, and slightly older than Ighalo, same age as Balogun as well and if you watch his games for Kemi, you will see that he still has the energy of a bonafide 32year old, I mean he is the highest scoring defender in the Finnish league, if that is not a true test of his ability I wonder what is. You may also say it will affect the team unity/spirit but I can tell you that it is false. If you go for a coaching course, one of the first thing you learn is that there are 3spots in a team that can be changed at will, the two fullbacks and the number 9. In 2002, we were told that the two wingers too can be changed at will without affecting team unity. So when I start shouting a players name I must have checked these things. You don't see me shouting Ajagun, Joel Obi even and/or Aluko, but I clamour for Martins, Uche(no 9s), Osaze and Taye, before I say anything I check it well.


Now your next point may be that Aina can do a job at LB but brother, let's be sincere, Shehu should not be a starting fullback. Shehu is solid defensively, going forward he isn't and his solid defensive display is because he is yet to meet a very good winger, I am not saying he will be burnt but it could happen. Aina, for me, does a better job at RB all the days of the week. Do we then force Shehu into the LB role? Shehu is a squad player, it ends there, this is not an insult on him. So what happens to Uwa? How many LBs do we have?

In summary your problem with this team is fullbacks and CF.

Due to this u are recommending Taiye Taiwo,Obafemi Martins,Osaze Odenwegie,Ike Uche.

But why d old legs and not young ones like Stanley Amuzie, Ransome Madu as LB,Kayode Olarewaju, Peter Onwuachi as CF(9)

Mickael2:
the point isn't captaincy etc etc. Mikel is the captain(I sha think Enyeama will take it back) and Onazi isn't the assistant, but that does not make them their senior. I mean when you are in a hospital and you are with a senior nurse you must show your respect, that does not mean you aren't incharge again.

Yea I get your point,a true leader must show respect to his colleagues even d junior ones

Biggcake:
Enyeama did well than Rufai.

Especially when he stopped Messi's shots at 2010 world cup.


Enyeama all the way.

But later conceded 3 against Messi at the 2014 WC,though very good keeper.

Mickael2:
Point of correction, if Martins comes back, why should he look at Onazi as his senior?! Haba Martins made his debut almost 13years ago, Onazi just started recently. You can say he will have to accept that Onazi is the vice captain but it ends there, Onazi should look upon Martins as the elder not the other way round, same goes for Mikel.



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Seniority should not be an issue

I don't see big deal in it,a mature player doesn't care about captainships but what he want to contribute to d team.

I remember in d 80s during our qualifying matches to Afcon,WC,Paul Halmiton made Andrew Uwe d captain of d team in d absence of Stephen Keshi,when Keshi returned to d team,Uwe still maintained his captain band with no issue.

The same thing happened during Onigbinde era in 1984,young Keshi was made d captain at d expense of very experience Muda Lawal and Henry Nwosu,d team played very well reaching afcon final.

Sunday Olishe was named Eagles skipper ahead of Finidi George and d team did not scattered,d bond was even stronger.

Kanu captain Atlanta 96 despite d presence of Uche Okechuckwu,Sunday Olishe,Dan,Amokachie, Taribo West,Tijani Babangida,Emma Amuneke, Victor Ikpeba and d team was spectacular,no distraction in d team.

It's simple any old player who is not comfortable with Mikel leadership is not ready to be part of d team coz it shouldn't be an issue.

junnyjake:
OK, then. Thanks.


If I hadn't come out as strongly as I did many would have mistakenly believe I had such insinuations.

No wahala

junnyjake:
When Sneider wanted to join ManUtd from Inter, that deal didn't materialise because of his wages and how much would be going into tax.

The pay packages in England is better than other countries. Granted!

You can't compare the tax policies in England to other countries.

Last time I checked was last year when Martins was getting £115, not close to Mikel's £160 in China. I think it's 40% in England. Not really sure.


I wish I can get their Net Worth to make comparisons.

Thanks my man,i love your objectivity coz u are always unbiased in your analysis.

elyte89:
Infact with all dis our nairaland agents here (forgiveness, humility07,kogs45 and co)



D names alone go don enter 100players o,hope we knw say na only 23 dey go


I knw by next year may,d names for don enter 1k

Pls always read d line very well before u make your comment.

What is my business with players invitation or did u ever see me recommending any player here,so why making a claim that is untrue.

I believe have already made my WC cup team on this thread with 15 players from this present team and guys contributed immensely.

Even players like Awoniyi, Aiyenugba that i have very strong relationship with, have not come here to call for their invitation,with my little closeness with Martin i think i should be in forefront calling for his invitation.

Am one of d apostles who believe in a very moderate team camping even go against 100 players camping on this thread as my good friend thegoodjoe suggested.

On d issue of Martins,have made my point cleared and people who really understand knows that am against Martins recalling but am not Rohr,if Rohr want him fine,he is eligible as a Nigerian and has every right to continue aspiring to play for Nigeria,not yet retire like Enyeama and Emenike.

This is a forum where everyone have different views or opinions and it must be respected with courtesy not making claims that are not substantial.

Though a faceless forum but our integrity is at stake coz some already believing some are paid to promote players here,so tagging me a player agent is uncalled for.

junnyjake:
I need no prophet to tell me that i'm that moniker you're talking about.

And I honestly do not find it funny.

You just can't come in midway into an argument I was having with someone else without having a full idea about the subject of the discussion was and then making conclusions on my behalf which was by far not in anyway the point I was trying to make.

I never said Obafemi's money or connections are good enough reasons for his inclusion in the SE, and I pick offence in you saying that.

If you've followed most of my posts, I wasn't in support of the idea of having Obagoal but was ready to support Rorh if he calls him up. Femi isn't a terrible player.


I was against people who were trying all their best to ridicule Martin's person and status.

My man u are wrong,am referring to Krattos comment that said Obagoal is d richest,highly connected,,most powerful Nigeria player and a baller.

Likely u share similar view for u to think am referring to u coz i had healthy arguments with u and we move on.

Mujtahida:
Sir Kog45, don't worry. The team will not scatter. With those guys I see us going far. Their stats are very positive.

No I tired for d whole show since yesterday.

Icon4s:
No time for that.

These are distractions.

Oga icon4s i here u say distraction, no most are still playing and they deserves recall if Martins deserves it.

A moniker mentioned Dele Aiyenugba some people here shut him down telling us Dele is too old for Eagles irrespective of his form in his club.

So let give d old ones who are still kicking d ball and in good form chance may be they are better.

Shebi we wan win WC ni

Mujtahida:
All of them must be given a chance. No discrimination, no sentiments. Please add John Utaka. He is still very active at CS Sedan Ardennes in France. Utaka scored a very important goal for us against Cameroon at Afcon 2004. We must call him too. I will post his recent stats by God's grace.

Naso make we kuku scattered d team

forgiveness:
Thanks. So what are we talking about?

I don't know why he fled to the answer this.

What can u say about these players coz if Martins get recalled they deserves it too

1.Enyeama coz we lack quality keeper

2Taiye Taiwo cos we lack back up for Echiejele.

3.Ambrose Efe to back up our CBs

4.Emma Emenike to give us more options in d attack

5.Ike Uche too coz is still doing it in 2nd LA liga

6.Osaze coz he is doing well in Indonesia.

7.Oboboana can still make d cut.

8.Plus Obafemi Martins .

Pls what what do u think

forgiveness:
Fully or not, Martins contributed his quote. Shikena!

Where there no player that went to the 1994 WC without kicking a ball in the WC qualifiers?

Yea Chidi Nwanu,Mike Emenalo,Peter Rufai,Efan Ekoku made Us94 team without playing in d qualifiers.

JOBIE,pls update us with latest wages of 10 highest paid Nigeria footballer.God bless u.

forgiveness:
And which source are you using? Yourself?

I started it but u want to prove me wrong but your source said 75k for Mikel which was his wages at Chelsea,meaning d source was wrong.

Look am not argue with u but want to get Information from u just to update myself.

forgiveness:
Martins is earning twice as much as Super Eagles captain John Mikel Obi in China, with the Chelsea man second in the list of highest earning Nigerian players.

Leicester City big money buy Ahmed Musa is third on the list, while Mikel’s teammate Victor Moses is fourth with Fenerbache Emmanuel Emenike rounding up the top five.

1[b].Obafemi Martins £180,000[/b]
2.Mikel John Obi. £75,000
3.Ahmed Musa. £60,000
4.Victor Moses. £45,000

https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/11/19/highest-paid-nigerian-footballer-obafemi-martins-earning-twice-as-much-as-mikel-musa-in-top-5/&ved=0ahUKEwiDzJfj8ZDXAhWCJ1AKHWB9AgYQFggsMAI&usg=AOvVaw2tytkW_EXApuLH0axtwdOB




Currently, he earns more than Mikel Obi

FALSE SOURCE (OWNGOALNIGERIA)

This is what they earn now (TOP 3)

Odion Ighalo £190k

Mikel Obi £150

Obafemi Martins £100k

Note:that was Mikel(75k) wages at Chelsea,old V.Moses (45k)wages and your source owngoal

Pls give me correct source and I w keep shut.

forgiveness:

The 32-year-old will pocket $9 million wages (equivalent of N4.1 billion) in the new deal that he signed, $2.4 million more than he was paid in 2016.

Martins has also represented Seattle Sounders, Rubin Kazan, Levante UD and Birmingham City.

https://guardian.ng/sport/obafemi-martins-signs-new-n4-1b-one-year-deal-with-shanghai/amp

That is about $ 190 per week.

new deal right,$ or £ coz $190 means £147 per week

Joebie:
NIGERIA ALL TIME WORLD CUP SCORERS

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2 goals each
1. Daniel Amokachi
2. Emmanuel Amuneke
3. Kalu Uche
4. Ahmed Musa

1 goal each
1. Rashidi Yekini
2. Samson Siasia
3. Finidi George
4. Mutiu Adepoju
5. Sunday Oliseh
6. Victor Ikpeba
7. Wilson Oruma
8. Tijani Babangida
9. Julius Aghahowa
10. Yakubu Aiyegbeni
11. Osaze Odemwingie

Even our real CF are lacking behind, just Yekini,Yakubu,may be Aghaowa made d list with a goal each.

junnyjake:
Mikel spent most of his time in Chelsea, I doubt he earned up to 100k weekly then.

Don't forget how harsh the tax system is in England, bulk of his pay would be going into tax. There might have been a decline since he obtained his British citizenship though.


Martins has been in the game even before Mikel, most of the countries he's played in, taxing is not as tough as England and that means more income, Mikel isn't earning much more than him presently in China.


Martins lives a more ostentatious lifestyle, so I might be deceived by what I'm seeing.

When it comes to endorsement, I don't really know.

Honestly i don't want to say much on this coz am not FORBES but i want to tell u starting football early does not determine richness.



Martins earned peanuts at Inter but started earning his mega buck when he move to England which is not upto 40k even in MLS,Spain,Germany,Russian,he didn't earn close to 70k.

On tax I want to tell u there is no European countries u go to u pay heavily for tax or d u want to talk of Spain tax even Germany.

If I may ask u,if UK tax is unfriendly do u think players w be going there for mega pay,though a lot might castigate d league but when it comes to pay pls forget it,EPL is number 1.

Mind u Mikel spent close to 11 years at Chelsea with his last contract earning close to 85k.

Do u know what pushed Martins out MLS,it was MLS salary cap.

In China Martins is on weekly £100k while Mikel £150k even Ighalo £190k

Thanks,u have said it,u are looking at his flamboyant life

It's like saying Emma Adebayour is richer than Drogba coz he always display his wealth for everyone to see.

I don't know know how true it is that Mikel left Chelsea with £2m package for his longevity.

Well,both Mikel and Martins are rich and as i said am not Forbes to tell u d richest.

elyte89:
Martins football age 34-35years....real age. 42-43years old, dis guys u re comparing martins re using real age not a falsified one

Chei 43 years,No o.Haba!Martins is not up to that,not easy to be playing football at 40.

komekn:
We need the best quality players irrespective of age.


Young and hungry does not equate necessarily with quality and or outstanding ability.

Kayode has not scored once this season is that your measurement of quality Now that he has moved up to a quality league in a far from top quality team.

If Kayode were in the EPL were would he be top performer If he was in the championship would he be able to be a top performer If he was in the Chinese league assuming any club would consider him good enough. Would he be a top player in that league I have my doubts.

You used the term old legs, what makes him old age or performance How old is Kayode compared to Obagoal in any case, not that it matters, it's irrelevant.

According to the Bleacher report the Chinese league is ranked no. 7 in the world. I don't really consider these assessments as being substantive. But it's indicative how much better it is than the Belgium and way higher than the Danish and Turkish leagues. See link below.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2691880-ranking-the-most-entertaining-leagues-in-world-football.amp.html#ampshare=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2691880-ranking-the-most-entertaining-leagues-in-world-football


By the way Obagoal is still scoring in the Chinese league and has eclipsed the younger once exceptional Carlos Tevez.

Rohr we do d needful when time comes for players selection.

Icon4s:
I don't even know why this argument is coming up in the first place.

The era of Martins and his classmates is gone.
Its like we did not learn from the mistakes of having Rufai and Yekini at the 1998 WC.
Yekini was even in a better position to make the team than Martins is right now.

We have to move forward with the crop of Attackers we have.

Ighalo, Iheanacho, Nwakaeme, Kayode we have now. I have sadly dropped my case on Abraham.

Let's move on with these ones and any other strikers that may sparkle this season. And as usual we'll also depend on the abilities of our AMs and wingers for us to get goals.

Thank u,Ighalo, Iheanacho, Kayode honestly we are done,if Martins can displace Nwakaeme, Onwuachi,Ideye, Dressers, Awoniyi left for Rohr to decide.

safarigirl:
abeg help me tell him. The guy now wants to use sentiments and reduce Mikel's status

Honestly i don't want to come in since yesterday see guys debating on whether Martins deserves invitation.

But i read a moniker who said Martins is rich,connected and powerful to justify his reason for calling for Martins invitation,i just said what's going on.

On a role model,it's simple, Mikel may not be a role model to some but those who acknowledged him as one,we must respect their view.

I don't know Mikel but i know Martins very well right when he was nobody through my younger cousin who happened to share d same agent with him.They went to Italy courtesy Churchill.

Witt this i suppose to be biased but i w not coz we are talking of national team and we all want d best for d team.

When my friend Michael2 said something about Martins,Osaze,Ik Uche i told him 'I NO DEY O'truly they are Nigerians and if Rohr believe in them why not but just too glaring we don't need them,to come and do what winning WC for us.

safarigirl:
if you must know. It is not the same Mikel

Who did Ndidi look up to while growing up? Mikel

Who was one of the influences that made Aina switch to Nigeria? Mikel

Who also influenced Leon? Mikel


Nobody even remembers that your Martins played for the Super Eagles, that is how irrelevant he is to this set of players.

And the Mikel you know would not have bailed out the team in Brazil, he wouldn't have even been there, the Mikel you know would have bailed on the team with Enyeama and Emenike after that Musa debacle, that is the Mikel YOU know.....

However, the Mikel I know, the one who has learnt from age and experience and will certainly have more stories to tell these boys on how much one's behavior can shape their career is the ODOGWU, the leader cherished by team mates and fans. That is the Mikel that has influenced people and has transformed himself from a player we all seemed to loath to one we can't do without.

There are very few players who have the stories Mikel has and Martins is not one of them

Thank u,what i dislike most is trying to devalue someone achievement and try to compare what is not comparable.

kennysville:
You know it as much as I do. You just being sentimental. I have no business with Success Isaac. Why? This is a case of stupidity on his part. Not role model. Whoever told you that sob story of mikel being the role model has you for a sap. Is it not the same Mikel? Lets not even go there

Pls go there,let hear your view on Mikel not being a role model?ask Haruna Lukman,Ola aina,Leon Balogun, Ndidi Winfred,Brown Ideye,Victor Moses,Ogenyi Onazi,Ighalo Odion,all have something to say on Mikel,forget all these sides talks.

A player dropped $35k to bail out his team,remain d only Nigeria player(both retired and active) to have done this and is not a role model.

He single handedly recommended Brown Ideye to Tiajin Teda

Vic Moses said Mikel told him to stop going on loan and fight for his place.

Ola Aina said Mikel approached him to play for Nigeria even before NFF

Haruna Lukman said Mikel is my role model.

Winfred Ndidi said he admired Mikel so much when he was growing up to d extent he made sure he watched most his matches

Leon Balogun said i admired Mikel a lot.

Mikel Agu said i picked d name Mikel coz of my love for Mikel

Odion Ighalo said Mikel is d key.

Ogenyi Onazi said respect to d boss.

Mikel just remind me of Big boss Stephen Keshi's days in d national team.

isan:
Left to me desserts ,Bonaventure,onuachu,awoniyi,olayinka,nwakali,ajagun,and solanke are not super eagle materials for now u guys need to stop calling for their inclusion in the team, Joseph akpala also scored many goals in the Belgian league but flopped in the super eagles. Martins ,osaze and uche don't also have any business with super eagle.

My cf for world cup

Iheanacho
Ighalo
Tammy or kayode

Good pick
Ighalo

Iheanacho

Kayode Olarewaju

komekn:
How old is the best current RB in the world Danny Alves

How old is the best left winger in the world arguably Arjen Robben

How old is the best player in the world Christiano Ronaldo Actually he is months younger than Obagoal.

How old is England's second most prolific striker currently Jermain Defoe is almost two years older than Obagoal.

Patrice Evra still plays as a RB for Marseille and has probably almost all thier games this season. We could add Bacary Sauna all still very much in consideration within the French National team. They are all over 34.

Some one made the irrelevant proposition about team dynamics and cohesion in the context of relationships. It's an issue but of little negligible impact and significance in the modern game. Players are there to be professional and not necessarily make friends.

The pertinent question is Martins better than the players who are in consideration Is the sacred one KC (for some on this forum) better than Obagoal.

Imagine Obagoal in Leicester would he do better Or imagine him playing in the Belgium league or the Eredivisie how good would he be currently. We aren not talking past glories but current, present and continous.

So let's bin the negative presumptions and objectively ask the question, particularly compared to players that are only have potential and may never ever get to the levels of Obagoal.

Then idea that he has done his bit to me is without any productive substance. What is his bit

If Rohr believe Martins can do it,no issue,everything stop on Rohr table,it is left for him to decide, so i don't see why we keep on argue to d extent we are bringing richest,connection, powerful to d table coz we want Martins in d team.

If Rohr can invite Aaron Samuel meaning he can invite Martins and nothing we are going to do about it.

But d question is this can Martins replicate his old form in Eagles, forget all these stats.If he can prove himself better than Ighalo,Iheanacho,no wahala.

junnyjake:
I don't see anyone who's richer than him in the present crop of players we have. That dude is unarguably the most travelled SE star. From Italy, England, Russia, Germany, Spain, America and now China.



Mikel might be the most powerful reason being that Martins has been out of the Set-Up for a while. But I'm sure he's more popular to those at the glass house.

My man travelling all around d globe doesn't make player richer.

We don't need to argue this coz their contract and endorsement are there for us to see,so need of trying to hype any player.

Pls tell me what make Martins richer than Mikel?