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forgiveness:
Stop fooling yourself. Victor Moses was crucial to Chelsea winning the EPL. Is Chuks crucial for Villarreal winning the la Liga?

Even at the national team level, Chuks has not done what Vicmo did. Until then. Let's discuss.

Agreed without reservation or question

andrewbaba44:
So it took Jamie Vardy only 5 seasons to reach 100 epl goals ?

While it took Chelsea legend Didier Drogba 8 seasons with more games to reach 100 epl goals also

Jamie Vardy is one of the most underrated striker in the world ,that’s if he is not the most underrated

Yakubu is the most underrated Nigeria striker ever ,we should not forget that this dude has 95 epl goals just behind Drogba and adebayor but Nigerians only care about speaking bad of him because of the South Korea miss as if dem go win that World Cup

Can l ask and how old is Vardy according to many here he is too old.

At his age he has some crazy pace, without him Leicester will be below mid table no arguement.

timay:
This Nketiah is a comedian. It's not as if he will get England call up before. If at all Southgate wants to add a new striker to the national team, Greenwood go enter first before them even look his side.

Even in Ghana, he won't go and bench Jordan Ayew na

That Greenwood boy is on another level 18 years old and claiming position in Manchester United is not easy.

daveP:
Did you just say stats arent entirely conclusive? Wooooooow.



Match Impact
Match Influence


Goal/game
Goal ratio





Im glad this came from you.


By this, you need apologize for the way you describe Nacho then.


Chuks too impacts that Villa team despite the stats.


New benchmark by you. I hope to use it going forward.

KC is a forward, doesn't have the technical ability and or speed to play Wing.

Is not a skilful enough to play with any degree of guile to play as an SS. Certainly is not a AM.

So tell me something that he does beyond poaching that brings outstanding quality to the team. He is not like Firminho in Liverpool.

If he doesn't play he is not missed.

If Vardy, Ndidi, Chilwell, Maddison don't play the difference is clear.

So what are we to commend him for, Being lucky

Edopesin:
Yes but when they do attempt crossing it's almost never accurate

This is true .

I forgotten the tall Iroko tree player we had in one of the games but not a single cross to make use of his height.

elyte89:

It starts with Nigerian agents, the NFF and yes Amaju.

Edopesin:
Wether Osimhen decides to move or stay is fine by me

He prolly dey see wetin we no dey see hence his reluctance

I would advise him to leave.

French league is very erratic and apart from PSG, Monaco most teams seem to be inconsistent too me.

Next season Osimhen will be well known to everyone and it will not be as easy for him. Add to that Lille like to sell not build. And as a result the players that helped him rise to these levels may be gone.

He could find himself struggling and all the accolades if this season no longer associated with him and forgotten.

Strike while the iron is hot, my view.

He will get a very lucrative 5 year deal that will settle him for life he can build from Napoli. It will not be easy but life is about challenges.

Look at Lille top scorer in the 2018/19 Jonathan Bamba with 13 goals and look at how many he scored this season.

Joebie:
Na the money be the benchmark? Na that one go determine his eligibility for call up to SE? You seem to forget why we are in this thread.

Will u rather call up an unproven league 1 or Championship player? Will you say Maja is ahead based on his past exploits in League one? Kome, KC’s numbers is one of the best we have and it’s not poor. It’s above average because we are talking EPL.

Your question is ambiguous and l can't get your meaning.

What do you mean by unproven ❓

Josh Maja was the top goal scorer in league one before he left, but for me he has stagnated in the French league. He has not moved on it shown true quality.

Danielnino00:
Simon plays in the ligue 1 and he got 8 goals and 9 assists.. please in which season did Moses get 8 goals and 9 assists in the premier league as a winger ?

Onyekuru managed to score 16 goals in the Turkish league playing as a winger, Moses was in that same league,how many goals did he score please ?


Moses is an average player as much as the other players we have in the team...he is no way an upgrade..
We should focus on getting younger and well talented players like Ejuke,Eze and Saka into the team and not asking Moses to come out of retirement...
He has nothing new to offer ...

So why is this Vic M who you describe as average able to go from the retirement league of Turkey leave Onyekuru there and jump to Inter Milan.

French league one is not on the level of Seria A and or the EPL. Why has Simon built in seem permanent house their.

Onyekuru and Simon can only dream if attaining the level of Vic M. for now they are far away.

Age is not the deciding factor in football but outstanding consistent performance in the HERE and NOW.

How old are Barcelona core top performing players and how old is Vic M for goodness sake . You are being emotive not objective.

bidexiii:
NPF BTR

What I see are old painted BTR 60 with the old gasoline engines.

There should be at least a 14.5mm HMG albeit it without laser-range finder and or thermal sights in the turret.

With regards to this one, where is your offensive weaponry that gives you overriding advantage over lightly armed bandits.

This is part of the hangover of years of military rule and the fear of upgrading the police, who are closer to civilian influence than the army and much more in numbers.

seankafor:
what is this truth you always speaking of?

Maybe Sahara reporter kinda truth

When you look at war in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, what do we notice a duplicity and wide range of international media reporting live.

Some get killed in the process.

Now compare that obvious disparity with the Nigerian insurgency in NE. We have one source essentially the NA. That's not balanced and is open to manipulation.

GeneralFarouq:

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so since 2016 the military has never done anything commendable, even to the world best military expert like you(Armchair General).. Your standard is second to none in the world
Lol, I won't fall for this, let go back to the actual discussion

By your point of reference 2016 you have indicted yourself and made yourself open to claims that you are politically biased and partisan.

Your reference point is anchored entirely on the political regime of PMB. That in itself tells us where you are coming from.

The very thing we are contending again you have personified.

Can you please remind us the commendable acts of the military holistically that have given us the expected delivery outcome with regards to the SE over all.

Isolated incidents remain isolated with limited impact without over all convergence.

Jelal0007:
I've never come across a post on NL that's sooo full of IGNORANCE. This post is what I see as BALDERDASH. Next time make your point (if you have any) without insults.

Going back to your write up, its blatantly obvious you have no idea, knowledge and or understanding about the "GENEVA CONVENTION". If l sound insulting it's not intended but the context in which you use it, leaves me bewildered. How can you say use of RPG's and AA (HMG) contravenes the Geneva convention.

Your approach is essentially making excuses for the inexcusable. For instance ;

The bases are isolated, and as a consequence are unable to present a defensive and or offensive threat against Boko. By nature forward bases are always in isolated locations closer to areas of contention. That excuse is simply not just not plausible, doesn't make any sense.

Equipment, MBT's, APC's, etc are not operational and unserviceable, that's not true. ls that why we see Boko using the same captured equipment. And then using arms captured to fight against us. Thats a whimsical excuse and baseless.

To quote you verbatim " they lack coordination or discipline, they take advantage of numbers - - -" Are you suggesting that they Boko outnumber the NA.

Those uncoordinated and indisciplined Boko Haram as you claim have held the nation to ransome for a decade and killed thousands. Don't ever underestimate your enemy my advice.

Now go back to what you have written, review and appraise and after a cool drink or Coca-Cola have a smile and admit my observations are not anchored on IGNORANCE

And if my language in my first post was condescending and insulting, l apologise, I guess l got a bit emotive.

seankafor:
am sorry I don't believe that.

To what end of I may ask?

Very simple propaganda.

Like l always say the first casualty of war is the TRUTH.

Even more so when we don't have any info media given access to the NE.

GeneralFarouq:
The tyrant always believes he is fighting for the good of his people,
Any opinion that seems to support the military is seen as wrong. That shows the kind of person u are...pple must agree with u "DOLE"
Can u piint one person that belongs to ur first category
But I can point pple that belongs to the emotional, and nonsensical category who never applaud the military even for good things, just say what u wanna say and stop beating around the bush like u have something new to say

This will always be an area of never ending contention on this particular discourse.

Your background, environment, education and experiential competencies will determine your unit of measurement and therefore expectations.

As a consequence what someone consider good, satisfactory and commendable. Will by someone else be considered ineptitude incompetence and comdemnable.

In this regard the contention will never end.

Because there are too many who start from emotive sentiment not the substantive objective measurement of issues.

In a nutshell the Nigerian problem.

When a Governor repairs a dilapidated road, we commend and eulogize him that's mediocrity.

That's what is at play here, low self esteem and low expectations.

joshingjosh:
Happy Sunday All

This is a battle field discussion thread....I will like anybody that has an opinion to comment on this my question.

Why do Boko Haram overrun some(remember I said some) Military bases??(some of the bases have enough men to secure them)

1) Is it because of Lack of Ammunitions and Equipment:(Remember after successfully overruning the base, the loot weapons and Ammunitions.)

2)Is it because of Lack of Confidence??(Most times we hear of soldiers Neutralizing these attacks).

3) Is it based on their training?? (Somebody once said here that Depot graduates 4000+ recuits at once. Is it that during training their are not taught how to coordinate and return effective fire during attacks??

Gentlemen let us debate

Are we ready for that debate are we ready to face hard truths.

We have two main camps here.

The first one is the Nigerian armed forces can do no wrong and any criticism is an act of subversion and treason group .

The second is the knowledge based group mostly objective but still critical.

lebuhsi:
(*4) - I don't think it's quite fair for you to say the cadets are poorly trained, the 6months they spend at jaji can only be describe as an initio training, along their carriers, they partake in various courses depending on their units

E.g the amphibious train school(ATS), in calabar
It runs courses for amphibious units right after they are posted, I.e calabar
There's the boat course I through 3, and a vast arrray of other courses, before you are promoted there are cateria to be met, one among others is to complete this various courses

Again, before been deployed to the N.E, there are sent to jaji 3 month before hand for Specialized CT/CION training, they work with BMATT and other partners

First of all to make a deduction on quality there has to be a comparison index with key performance indicators for that measurement to be objective and not emotive sentiment based.

When l look at the gross crazy indiscipline and many a time consistent deranged behaviour. Expressed on the public domain predominantly by NCO's but quite shocking by even officers but worst of all out cadets at the NDA the supposed bright future. I simply shake my head in disbelief.

Where is the co-relationship concept of " Gentleman and a officer " most of our combatants behaviour is like wild dogs and civilian are thier target practice. That's an outcome deliver of our training, this a hard bitter TRUTH that many will not find palatable.

In most cases you have the physical training and methodology that can all be totally negated ny mentality and prevalent behaviour that creates the overriding organisational culture.

I have considerable association with Nigerian, Turkish, British, German and US combatants. So l inadvertently make comparison.

ugo4u:
1) Most atimes it is as a result of poor situational awareness, Boko guys will collect intels on the numerical strength of our troops, equipments etc and triple that number with high volume fire using unconventional weapons such as AA, SVBIED, RPGs etc and all other weapons that goes against Geneva convention. Again the said base may be in an isolated area with weak defensive setup so atimes it is easier for Boko to engage them for hours since they know backup either from other land forces or the NAF won't come ontime to rescue the situation. This is one of the reasons army super camp was setup and so far it has being a success because many soldiers were pulled out from their outposts to fortify bases but not w/o disadvantage as it has given BH leeway to operate freely in ungoverned areas.
2) It's not necessarily because of that most atimes it could be as a result of faulty equipments such as unserviceable vehicles, tanks etc that will enable them do their job effortlessly and as a soldier if your equipment fails you the only option is to japaa( tactical retreat) so that you will live to fight another day.
3) No matter how poorly trained we feel recruits are, they are better trained than the Insurgents, sometimes the media blow some of these attacks out of proportion and also the military have done a shoddy job in the other part of the war which is Media propaganda. I don't think Bokoharam fighters are trained for more than 3 weeks after which they are shipped like zombies to fight. If you even see some of the videos of their attacks the way they move and fire their weapons if you're a trained eye you will notice that they lack coordination or discipline, they take advantage of numbers, ambushes and suicide attacks to win battles collateral damage isn't their business.

Everything you have said is either total Balderdash for instance with regards to Geneva convention.

Or assumptive ignorance with no substance, you talk about bases being isolated, and as such by implication defensively and offensively weak and compromised. That's a nonsensical proposition.

The first casualty of War is truth. The NA has never in its history within the civil disposition that started in 1999 been so politicised as it now under Burutai.

The Nigerian Army has been spewing out its own propaganda it's not the exclusive preserve of Boko haram. We have had the Governor and elected members in the National Assembly very vocally contradict the reports of the PMB with regards to large territorial control by Boko in Borno.

The so called unserviceable equipment claim has some credence but not entirely. The same dead equipment is then used by Boko or destroyed by them. It's argued that the larger % of Boko harams weaponry is captured from the NA.

Your entire write up seems the sort of presentation the Nigerian Army PR machinery would present not anybody with independent thought.

FieldMarshall06:

Sometimes, we should understand that people in government know better and have more info/advise than we ever will.

I support the retention of the Service Chiefs because the immediate past provides evidence against sacking wartime chiefs.

The greatest error of Goodluck Jonathan was removing Gen. Ihejirika..... and this is a fact. Ihehirika pummelled boko haram so badly that northerners were shouting. Under him, boko haram remained caged and they stood no chance. This fact is well known in the army.

Immediately Gen. Ihehirika was removed and replaced with Gen. Minimah,,,, and ACM Alex Badeh replaced Adm. Ola Ibrahim as CDS, the war went down... and spiralled out of control that boko haram started holding territories,,,, and soldiers started fleeing ..... something that never happened under Ihejirika.

When you sack Gen. Buratai and AVM Sadiq Abubakar,,, the new service chiefs would need at least 3 months to set-up and consolidate their machinery.... that is 3months of refresh for boko haram,,, as happened with Gen. Minimah. And we take the war back to square 2.

Please understand that govt is govt and they know more than you ever will ....

Please, changing service chiefs now does not help you. It does not affect you.... Nigeria needs them to remain there for now...President Buhari is not stupid

That may be your proposition as a reflection of your own personal limitations and understanding. But don't assume everyone is like you.

My view, is that we need to understand there is a multiplicity of highly inept and incompetence people in government. Who's claim to prominence is anchored on nepotism, favoritism and loyalty to the powers that be.

Then when you add the driving force behind most decision is predominantly self- interest which essentially means CORRUPTION.

And as a consequence we should question absolutely everything all decisions of government.

Knowledge and capacity is not the exclusive preserve of Burutai. There are many far better competence, knowledgeable and more honourable officers in the NA.

My view SACK HIM TODAY and PROBE HIM IMMEDIATELY.

Danielnino00:
Hwre is Moses's career stats as a winger and a wing back..

383 games, 51 goals and 44 assists..

38 games and 12 goals for the super eagles..

In comparison to

1) Onyekuru: 148 games,57 goals and 20 assists. 11 games and 1 goal for the super eagles

2) Iwobi:174 games,17 goals and 28 assists. 38 games and 6 goals for the super eagles

3) Simon : 227 games, 48 goals and 37 assists. 30 games and 5 goals for the super eagles

4) Chukwueze:74 games, 12 goals and 8 assists. 12 games and 2 goals for the super eagles

5) Kalu: 121 games, 17 goals and 25 assists..

Please tell me, how is Moses statistically better than the current wingers we have ?
What does he have to offer us that the current wingers we parade can't?

I'm not in anyway against Moses or Ighalo return to the national team, but I'm totally against anybody begging them to come back.. if they must come back, it should be through the same way they left:
; Voluntarily!

None of these players in comparison play in a top club and or in a top league apart from Iwobi and Chukwueze.

You cannot compare them.

Of you compare him to Iwobi them he is ahead the rest are not in the reckoning.

Finally, statistics are not entirely conclusive but indicative. There is something called , match impact and influence that's very difficult to assess with statistics.

Zaha is the most important player for Crystal palace he is thier driving force, drives the team forward. Without him the team is at a big disadvantage.

His transfer value price probably over £70 million. How many goals has has he scored this season just 3. Is there are wingers who have scored more but they are not regarded as better.

Victor Moses still remains in the context of Nigeria NUMERO 1.

KC scores well done.

He is slowly dragging himself from anonymity he has scored 5 goals in the EPL this season not great but it's an improvement.

Ighalo coming on to join the party, can he score today his first goal in the EPL this season.

youghs:
Abeg is there any local AFV/IFV currently under development

Toju200
Bidexiii
kabe1

From what l have seen the NA does not have a definitive IFV in its armoury.

However, the Russians have described the 1970's Russian BMP-1 as an IFV. That's very debatable because it's armour is very light.

In my opinion considering our non existent industrial manufacturing base. We simply do not have the capacity.

dragon2:
That is why service chiefs should be properly rotated out, after serving their term.The longer they stay the more politicised the forces become, even if they(the service chiefs) didn't intend it.

Agreed without reservation.

daveP:
Abegii. Lol


Wasteman plenty for English borns na.

Well im glad you've adjusted the goal post from "totally impotent" to essentially flopped. But its still far from Nacho's truth. Loftus Cheek hasnt met my kwn expectations too, so he is a flop!! A big big one. Same for Barkley.


Well I'd love to literally give Barkley some advice that he will take and rejuvenate his career.


So for Wasteman status.... Isaac is on the You'll Never Walk Alone table here. He has lots of English borns to accompany him.

It's difficult to make the comparison because these guys are midfielders so it's not just about goals.

Both are England international and Rueben for me is so injury prone it's a wonder he still plays.

Barkley is not great to me either.

But they are not Nigerian, what's your point ❓

jihday:
he even said he won't make the academy of all the EPL teams, funny dude

I don't remember saying that, buy at that time that would definitely be my opinion.

He will not make the academy team of any EPL team. He was that poor at the TIME. Always falling down.

Imagine being substituted in a U23 game at half and your replacement 17 year old Dapo scores a hat trick.

gamaliel9:
No Nigerian teen should go to Porto and EPL

Its like Latvia,Slovenia, Slovakia,Belarus,Moldova,etc has become a better steping stone for them...Look at the plythora of talent that has gone that root beginning with Simon Moses, Samuel Kalu etc...


Iheanacho is going down, he should have started down and eventually go up.

Many years ago 2014 l was in Portugal then TPI was still lawful. I had dealings with a number of Portuguese clubs. Luis Boa Morte was youth coach at Porto then, he was one of the few good guys.

I met a Nigerian at Braga think his name was Chidi.

I was shocked they treated African players like cattle brought in for peanuts but huge buy out clauses placed on them.

They were paying players particularly the reserve and youth players disgracefule peanuts. Our players were so desperate to they accepted slave contracts.

They are also very corrupt.

Joebie:
Poor based on whose benchmark?

Well would you call 4 goals in 15 EPL games as astounding for a £25 million striker.

Is that good enough or is it poor ❓

Danielnino00:
Be more specific.
Which position are you referring to?
Moses is known as a wing back at his club...the super eagles doesn't use wing backs .

If you want to refer to the wings,I will gladly give you a list of wingers who have been better than him this season..

And the bolded is an exaggeration...Moses has only been consistent for the past 3 season when Conte joined Chelsea..

He didn't exactly hit the ground running at West Ham,Stoke City and Liverpool..

That being said, Moses's career stats even as a winger aren't that impressive...

Context is paramount.

In comparison to who ❓ Sancho and Zaha l agree.

But that's not the context, the context is Nigerian players. So tell me one winger that can compare to him in the context of Nigeria, please.

The negative prejudice regarding him is shamelessly naked.

BabaOwen:
I fully support the House on the bolded.


I'm so sure if he had praised and worshipped the Dubai landlord, he and his wife won't be in this situation.

The Senate & House of Representatives defense committee should work together on this. They should invite the Lance corporal to hear first hand information from him about the fight against boko haram in the North east.

This is very very worrisome trend in the NA where the long standing conventions regarding senior officers are being decimated.

I have noticed a politicisation of the NA and personalisation moving from management by policy, process and strategy too Charismatic management where the core focus is on the leader.

I watched combatants in training singing praise songs about Burutai as if they were in Aladura church.

We moved away from objectivity to subjectivity and the approval of the COAS that creates sycophancy and not measured outcome delivery in management.

Once you have this kind of charismatic management style, It's always followed by mediocrity and the quest to please the leader and what is best for him not the organisation.

I truly believe there are people here who are part of his Choir here, singing the same sings of undue praise.

VERY SAD

Watch them rain their vitriolic rhetoric against me now.

Tobiloba2407:
This same way, people were clamoring for t72, lots of them in storage we can easily get it, till we both the t72s and bmp1s....that started breaking down, if we can buy any equipment new, then no need

That is not a good example, however, it is of blatant shameless corruption in the NA.

You can procure from a number of former Eastern block countries upgraded T-72 MBT that will compete almost on all fronts with the Chinese new MBT the NA have just procured but at 1/10 of the cost or lower. So with $75 million you will have 150 almost new T-72's for all intents and purposes.

See vids below self explanatory about the capacity and capability of a upgraded modernised T-72. Not a rust bucket painted green and passed off as refurbished and modernised.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gK2h3RCh28


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyJKwHivOQY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skg1rRxNntQ

seankafor:
lol
Thank God for technology, as someone can access information from anywhere in the world.

If not some people for dey tell us say boko haram controls borno

Well the Governor and all the elected members at state and national level have made it clear PUBLICLY that large swaths of territory are in the control of Boko.

So what are you saying.

Hennynitan:
I think what he meant is that you failed to acknowledge the effort of the Nigeria army. The News story also reported Nigerian military dealt with bokoharam/isis by killing over 1200 fighters.

You made it sound like Nigerian military are not doing anything and the Chadians are doing all the good work

When you already have pre- conceived notions your perception becomes tainted.

I found his explanation very concise but you have chosen to deduce it differently.

Why l do not know.

For some here the blatant bitter truth is too much to bear and it must be denied.