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Hi Joe,

I am so sorry about your refusal but I am surprised you didn't consult the house when u decided to send an update to IRCC on your change in status. I have observed you are an active member of this forum and your contributions has been very meaningful. The gurus might have suggested how u can approach it

joe10:
Good day to the Gurus in the house and distinguished Nairalanders.

My Study permit application was refused for the second time. I was initially refused in London on the ground of purpose of visit. I put up a strong SOP to convince the VO why I would return to Nigeria after my studies. Provided evidence of personal investments, bequeathed building from my late Father, included my admission letter which stated that payment of school fee can only be done after receiving study permit and other strong points which I did not include in my first application, but after notifying IRCC of changes in my status that my wife put to bed and stated that I have made adequate provisions for their up keep I was slapped with a refusal by nairobi in two hours after sending the message. This time nairobi stated four reasons for refusal even though I took my time to prepare a very strong SOP. I do not know whether I did wrong by informing IRCC of changes in status cos I know it is mandatory to reveal such changes to IRCC so as to update your profile. I AM NOT GIVING UP YET.

Wow! this doesn't look good at all.

makano:
https://www.cicnews.com/2018/07/temporary-resident-visa-refusals-on-the-rise-says-new-report-0710888.html#gs.HZtb8_Q. The Increase in rejection is everywhere.. Na wa for Canada oo

Yes I did

Banks039:
Pls did you pay to order for your gcms note ?

In addition, some of us have the require funds and scholarship/ Sponsorship and are still refused based on funds. It has actually gotten this bad. How will anyone be looking for a random/unknown person to sponsor his/her studies? too much smartness and lack of integrity is doing more damage to us as a country.

uyplus:
These are the sets of people that have made this study permit process cumbersome and unfairly difficult for genuine applicants from Nigeria simply because of their ingenuity. If you lack the funds to pursue Canadian education, stay back! It's as basic as that! I wonder how the mods of this highly informative forum will allow this slide! So when you eventually get to Canada how do you intend to fund your fees? It'll mean that you may have to break immigration laws by absconding from school, thus messing up the ladder for present and future genuine applicants!

I understand what you are saying. i have personally requested for my GCMS twice and my kindred in kenya put information that was not in my application both time.

Lagos2canna:
Copy and paste gcms note, I have seen similar reasons like this, if your refusal is from Kenya don't waste your time applying for gcms note.

Cool! Thanks

In summary, simply said "pay your fees before applying" except you have full scholarship.

Hopefulmind:
Some Universities actually recommend you pay and include your receipts to bolster your visa application.
Some Others may not recommend , follow the rule of thumb ; if the school has a refund policy in place ,why not. Pay and include your receipt. Applications vary so you might just be convincing the VO positively by doing that.
Nevertheless , people also get their Visa apps approved without tuition fee receipts but you must include info on due date of fees and healthy SOA . Apps vary never forget.There is some more to this also take note.

Hi All,

I have curiosly been researching and I am presently open to fresh contribution.

When is it an advantage paying fee ahead before applying for visa with the motive of including it in the application?

It is common and am sure it worked for some people that is why it is kind of popular. But many times here people has been say it is not necessary.

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Canny27:
i sent u a pm

Here, PM me.

Canny27:
Any University of Waterloo applicant or student here?

Heya!

Please don't beat yourself on your SOP. SOP don't work in isolation. It has to flow with your documents and situation. We don't have your complete profile but I observe that it is not easy to explain things when there are more than 1 area of concern.

amihbkt767676:
Finally,
The long awaited reply is here
Unfortunately, my application was refused by the embassy
The letter came from London yesterday 15th August.
I applied on june 18th and refused on 15th August. It happend and i am sad.

Pls let the above not discourage you
June and July applicants, i wish you all well.
I prayed and had patience, but didnt meet the requirements. (Didnt convince them that i will come back to Nigeria after my masters program. My scholarship will now go to someone else�

God is still perfect. I tried the best i knew i can.
Goodluck in your quest.

well... i reserve my comment. You have done your research, like i did. I hope everyone has the same attitude.


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Heya! And you had so much faith.

chisiudeh:
I so much hate to be the bearer of bad news. Got the evil mail this afternoon.

Applied on 6th June
No medical call.
Didn't see eligibility review till the mail came in .
Attached is the highlighted problem by the VO.

School has no winter session by the way and don't do deferral.

Thanks to all Elders in the house. I appreciate.

I suspect people are hoarding information and only coming out with the true picture after been approved. Well, we can't fault them since it is to their prerogative to share or not but I think it will be beneficial to be open and reduce the brain work the gurus are doing.

bbclue:
Sorry to say.....

Before now....you know that embassy sent some people to verify document....why not say it before now...not until someone said embassy sent 2 people....hmmmmmmm it is well........

thanks, i understand

Frankrobbn1:
The desire to be lucky is universal. I can remember we argued and debated on the above subject matter ABOUT APPLICANTS HAVING STUDY GAPS
I hope this will stand as a clear evidence that 10 years study gaps will not pose to be a reason for a visa refusal once there is strong correlation between your intended program and current job role. Do your part by presenting a rational explanation letter, then hope and pray to be favoured by the whimsical Goddess of Good luck.

Cc: kpizzle

A second degree can be progressive if it is properly explained and it is possible to align it to previous academic and employment history.

Senatorkolade:
Some of this VOs are not predictable. They made decisions a times from a prejudice view. Yes, they are professionals but they in some cases acted against the law and give decision from their pre-conceived notion about applications. This is because the power given to them by law enter their heads

I am so sorry. Maybe if you share the refusal reason and also apply for the GCMS note then you can know more about what is the problem.

I have been trying to share my observation here about this TRV process. The VO works with guideline and I have already summarize the condition that without much analyses the TRV will be approved.

SOP is like a long shot. it looks like VOs are not oblige to read or agree with the SOP and because it is relative and depends on their opinion it makes it kind of shaky.

kingfintan:
My TRV was delayed

This people make racist decision towards our application sometimes..

This is my second attempt.

Brandon University Manitoba
2 years Applied degree in Applied disaster and emergency studies..

SOA of account of over 35k US dollars, sponsors are brother and mother.

Brother is a professor in a university in USA with 35k US Dollars
Mother’s SOA of 4Million naira.
Paid first year full tuition fee of 9,000 CAD
Honestly I am tired of this people..
I don’t know if I should change school, or change my program to PGC.. can’t go for a masters as I graduated with a 2:2 from Engineering.

Mehn this stuff is not about the SOP you write, it just God’s favor.. My SOP was written by a top professor in the USA who happens to be my blood brother and with the help of some gurus here too..

Am so sorry. I know that feelings. Re-apply as u planned and also ensure you get your GCMS note to know what exactly the VO was thinking.

esefrancis:
After 13 weeks i was refused. So sad .. I need someone to help me out .. My school refused to defer my admission and i want to reapply

It sounds like something that should work. But am also looking forward to see if it will speed up their decision.

jnyuwa02:
My school gave me a letter too. Not to expedite my application, but to support it. I talked to my supervisor and he agreed to write it. Last minute before he sent it to me, he checked with the school and they informed him there is a protocol he has to undergo before doing that. The school told him such a letter had to be vetted by a board in the school. It went through the board and it was vetted before they gave him the green light to send to me. The letter talked about me been offered a full ride, his epertise in healthcare and experience on how that can be translated to the African setting. That is what I would be studying and returning to Nigeria to help with healthcare reform and other developmental issues. He talked about all that, my proposed thesis topic, the admission and scholarship selection process and all my qualifications and why they chose me. That’s about it!! Waiting to see if it works as from experience I have seen it work for others.

Sorry Khris.

Please help the house to share you profile and document you used to apply. This will assist the gurus to advise you rightly.

khrisgraphix:
Please i need to understand what went wrong

Attached is my GCMS NOTE.

1) you have scholarship
2) you are going for PHD and as we have all discussed and agreed on this forum, PHD students has a higher chance of getting TRV than other categories of education.
3) VO make their decisions based on one or more factors. Having scholarship is not the reason an applicant will automatically get a TRV.
4) we don't know the full profile of your friend.
5) I also have faith. But we need to be scientific here. Everything we share should be logical and based on emperical evident.

Olayemudia:
If you have been here long enough, you will answer the first two questions. My friend with a scholarship was refused!. Like I stated before I had a first class and a distinction but did not upload supporting documents neither did I state it. My study gaps are 2 years and a virgin passport.

Young man, there is God and someone here needs to have faith in his God for his/her application

Na my fellow kindred in Niarobi.

kingfintan:
Okay boss, but please were was your application processed? Was it Kenya or Accra?? Because I think your application was fast as well?

Yes, almost immediate after I received the update mail

kingfintan:
Hey kpizzle, please wen you got refused, did you get an update on your cic account regarding that..

Congratulation! am happy for you.

You did tell us your full profile and what you share here is total inconclusive.

1) do have scholarship
2) did you use a sponsor

like we have all realize, there are standard situation that you don't need to explain anything and the applicant will definitely get a TRV. We need to be scientific here and been superstitious is making it difficult for others to learn.

also,

1) did you have a first class?
2) do you have less than 2 years "study gap"
3) is your planned program matching with the previous one?
4) is your program showing progression?
5) do you have travel history?

All these things are the cumulative factors that the VO use to take their decision.

As all the guru keep reminding us, you need SOP when there is something you need to explain in you application.

Olayemudia:
I broke almost all the laws and norms propagated here and got my visa. Nine (9) days before I printed my Statement of account, I had a closing balance of N2506.65. Well I applied with...(a large sum though)... Which I never explained because it was in the Letter of Explanation that I did not upload. Remember apart from proof of financial support documents, I did not upload any other document.

Heads are different, what can kill Mr. A. might not affect Mr. B.

Prepare a good application but never judge your application with the standard of any person who is not GOD. God controls everything, even the VO.

Gbam! that is the gospel truth

jnyuwa02:
The bitter truth is that they are not the same. Someone who graduated this year and going straight for a masters degree is not similarly situated with someone who graduated ten years ago. The one who graduated ten years ago and has been working and has ten year study gap (time away from studying) faces stiffer odds in getting approved and has to do significantly more than the one who graduated last year to convince the VO. Someone on this forum last month called it a pervasive age discrimination and he has a point. Someone who graduated ten years ago would be in their mid 30+. Having been away from school that long, you face a stiffer odd in convincing a VO that your can study than the person who just graduated and his mind is still fresh in academia. We have seen so much approvals within people with study gaps of 5 years and below. And the approvals among people with 10 years and above study gap, has been sparingly. It’s the bitter truth on how Canadians VO operate. I am not trying to scare anyone.

Bro, i throwy salute, you make brain.

Naijaforeigner:
Hello sir, I think you need to slow down the way you attack these guys. I am not saying you don't have a point but coming out on full attack mode is not the way to go about it. These guys have contributed consistently for months on this forum without being paid, let us appreciate their efforts. Attacking them will send them away and I don't think you can contribute regularly the way they do. I am even very sure your TRV which you got of recent, these guys contributed to the success one way or the other. They may not always be correct and that is understandable because they are humans.

Most people on here are PG students. For you to think of doing PG in any of the western countries, you must be able to carry out research independently and double check every information you receive before using it. Information on here is not absolute, the job of everyone on here is to confirm that it is true.

On the study gap issue, it is common sense to suggest that most visa officers all over the world will want to know what you have been doing for long after your UG (if you have 2,3 years gap and above) and why you are just going for PG now. If you have been away from school for a long while, you MUST convince them that you still have the passion for education and you are not just using this as an escape route. I have attended UK student visa interviews and have many other friends who have passed through it (we all had study gaps) and the first question the VO asked was what were you doing all this while? Same for USA student visas. Explain clearly in your letter what you have been doing, the reason you are going now for PG and convince them why that reason makes sense. The argument on what is a study gap, I think is totally unnecessary.

Finally, lets learn to give our opinions without "attacking" each other.

Why are you interpreting "gap" as the dictionary meaning?. Many of you don't know what it means and just commenting. Can u just take a minute and google "study gap"

Shizzleadedapo:
Hi, working is not considered to be a Gap. Gap is when you finish a course and then sit idle. If your work experience is in line with the program you are applying for in Canada you stand a chance.

But the decision is always with the VO whether the work experience is considered for the approval.
Thanks.

Thanks Frank,

I have checked it and EE is not favorable for me. I don't have a masters yet and am quite advanced in Age couple with the fact I have a spouse and 2 other dependencies.

Frankrobbn1:
Since you've such relevant working experience why not go for express entry because you got a good profile that can qualify you for the draw.

Thanks attorney, we are on it. I definitely will come and testify here.

Am just trying to create awareness on the study gap issue, I never knew about it until now and it will be good that all applicant are concious of it.

jnyuwa02:
This is very true. The longer you have been away from school and the older you are, the more justifications you have to provide to the VO. With a ten year gap away from schooling you have to have a very compelling case to provide that you can be successful in school and in fact that you would be a genuine student if the privilege is extended to you. This can be tackled by a very compelling SOP backed by strong evidence. Perhaps talk about your upbringing with devotion to learning and how learning is a lifelong affair for you and you can foresee yourself studying in one form or the other, the rest of your life.

Most people I have encountered with ten year gap, were found wanting on purpose of visit. It’s a very tall order to succeed with ten year gap, but it is possible.

Please just google the meaning of "study gap". I think you don't understand it.

mcobex:
Bro o don't think you understand what I was trying to say on this matter. Haven't you been working during the 10 years(study gap)? If you have, then it's not a gap cos you are working. Your case if I remember is, you studied computer science and working in an IT firm(related field) but wants to go for a management course now, right? You don't have a gap, once you can link your intended program with your previous course/current job your chances will increase or better still you apply for masters in computer science or something related to your current job.
That's what I have been trying to explain.
Explain your case to me if I didn't get it right above

@mcbex: I didn't intend to draw your attention to this and am not trying to misinform people here. I have done my research and I not not trying to scare anyone. I stand to be correct "it is more difficult to get study permit if the applicant has more 5 yrs study gap" even if your intended course of study over- match the previous one.

Many people can not tell why they have been refuse even after doing all the needful when they applied. In one of my previous post. , I mentioned the VOs are not sentimental but professional, they have templates and guidelines. I am extremely sure that study gap is one of them irrespective of other conditions or factors.

I totally agree with you that SOP is a way out but menh that SOP must be "bulletproof".

mcobex:
I am not suppose to respond to this again but let me just do it so others can learn from it. The 10 years study gap you have isn't a problem cos you have not been idle during that period, you have around 10 years working experience and that's even a plus to you. Go for a course related to your job experience/BSc degree and your visa will be granted.
Cc: @ jolowizzy11 : what have you been doing since graduation from secondary school? NIIT diploma is ok but after acquiring that what have you been doing(working or what)? if you have been busy working(paid or volunteering) then state it. All the vo wants to see is that you have not been idle after your secondary school and diploma

TBH it is a challenge if you have study gap of above 5yrs. I have 10 yrs and have been denied twice. I am not giving up because I believe even if it is 1% chance,I will make sure I give it my best shot.

Just get ready for the roller coaster ride and try as hard as u can.

jolowizzy11:
good morning guys.....
I'm 24 years old going for bachelors degree in canada ,I have a gap of 6 years .tho I have a diploma in software engineering @ Niit ..what are my chances of visa approval ? I was told it's impossible for the to issues me a visa...

Thanks.

I will explore your idea of looking at another course but i have been working as a manager for the past 4 years and my experience and qualification is suitable for admission in Management Science. I want you understand that Management Science is total different to the ordinary management courses. This course is as expensive as an MBA and it is very technical and science oriented.

canadabyfire:
I am not a guru, however, going through the GCMS note for your first delay and the generic reason for the 2nd delay; i think the VO's concern is your having 2.1 in computer Science and seeking to go to Canada for Masters in Management Science..................Its a known fact that in the world we live in today, information technology is the "in thing".....So why would someone who has a good grade in an undergraduate course like Computer science that is so lucrative not a pursue further qualification in that lucrative course?....the VO has no right to choose a course of study for you, but the VO has a right to refuse the application.

Yes, you have worked for 10 years in 2 international organisations, the role (Marketing, customer service, Admin, Finance, etc)you worked in these organisations also matters in relation to your choice for Masters in Management Science ..............We must proof to the VO beyond every reasonable doubt, that we are not just picking cheap courses as an escape from Nigeria into Canada.

You might choose to change choice of course, or put in plenty effort in explaining to the VO why you would prefer to spend plenty millions in Canada to obtain MSC in Management when you can get it for a few hundreds of thousands in Nigeria.

Best wishes in your next move.