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hello, washing machine anyone?? ;d

my take on this is quite multifaceted. it is a mixture of the following below;

1. americanisation of the world through music, movies, fashion, sex, drugs, rock and roll

2. inferiority complex of nigerians who believe that anything west is best

3. state of the country. if it was better more people will have more interest

4. parents. they have a vital role to play in the formative years. can you imagine some dumb parents forbid their kids from speaking their local language at home or in public? it has to be english english english. ko da rara.

to complete this i AM very very proud of nigeria and dont hesitate to explain our culture and wear our clothes when its not winter ! God bless Asa, Nomoreloss, tuface, dbanj, femi kuti, p square and many others for flying the flag. God bless Nigeria always.

pls dont find flaws acting like u dont know what we mean!
nigerian culture=ethnics culture i.e. yoruba culture+igbo culture+ hausa etc

kulyie

No culture is perfect, every one has its flaws, dt u feel there's something wrong about a culture doesn't make it all wrong and doesn't make another perfect.




[quote][/quote]YOU ARE D MAN[b][/b]

even most of us in diaspora here have heard good things about him. in a country where you hear more bad than good, fashola stands out. may God continue to bles him and his team of hard working nigerians and may God also bless the followers by abiding and keeping lagos clean

EKO ONI BAJE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

johnnygan:
Stayed at vi 1004 housing estate, and was born there. I left 1004 in the year 1994 and i was in primary 4 at that time. I schooled at the housing estate nursery and primary school. And i stayed in crescent c, flat 609, Funny how things turned out after my departure.

1004 is almost recognisable according to reports now. if yo dont have 40 to 50 million forget it. its now a high class residential estate with all frills , pomp and pagaentry

the elite in naija should learn from this. sending your child to the best schools money can buy is not enough. TAKE CARE OF YOUR DAMN KIDS !!!!! and one more thing, ENSURE THEY HAVE SECONDARY SCHOOL IN NIGERIA IF YOU LIVE IN NIGERIA SO YOU CAN MONITOR THEM

Gamine:
Lol, yeah.

good stuff. same here. he is a 1g4 legend. happy new year !

it appears that this man went through AMSTERDAM SECURITY without a passport. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

SEFAGO:
I just want him to be called a british terrorist. He is in no way Nigerian.

he doesnt have a british passport , why would the british claim him? he is nigerian, 100% sef. bad people are bad people my guy. get over it.

kushe:
an internet forum like this gives us all a chance to air our views but at the same time reveals how mediocre some folks are when it comes to making sense.how can you blame anyone for being well off and having the ability to send his child to an ivy league uni.must we all suffer ,pant and fast to experience what others can easily afford?must we all be on the same level?isn,t nature supposed to reward the not so faint hearted.why are a lot of the disrespectful malodorous matter filled oral orifices possessing nairalanders in the diaspora anyways,is it to have a worse life

yet you castigate one who has experienced your own dreams by becoming part of the top echelon of society thereby allowing him to give his family the best life can afford him.must everyone in london live in peckham?a mediocre mindset will never allow any of you bashers here on nairaland change your postcode to say a W1 in london or an old ikoyi in lagos.

inferiority infested pigs seek every opportunity to slay rich people and claim they all looted naija money.how about those that never worked in government or never handled other people's money and yet can afford to live next to the queen

oma see oo! misery as they say loves company.a lot of folks have come from the gutter and are out of the gutter but their minds never left,always seeing tadpoles and spirogyra , perpetually inhaling the stench and drinking other people's piss.

ANYONE WHO HATES RICH PEOPLE DOES NOT DESERVE TO SERVE AT THEIR TABLE TALKLESS OF EXPERIENCE WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE PRIVILEGED!!!

interesting point

Kobojunkie:
We live in a Democracy and Americans dey complain ooo!!! Did you hear of the former GITMO detainees who are now head AlQuida men now?

Are you watching CNN now?

i know its a democracy but individual or collective comfort or convenience should be balanced against security. i know americans can moan. i will watch cnn in a bit

[quote author=Kobojunkie link=topic=372142.msg5205951#msg5205951 date=1262053000][/quote]no i havent lived in the US but i do know that threat alerts go off when there is suspicion something bad might occur. but in the US u also have home grown terrorists like the military guy recently who killed his own peeps at a base. if the public want to complain let them complain.

REMEMBER THAT ONLY THE LIVING GET TO COMPLAIN. THE DEAD HAVE NO VOICES. me if they want to xray me sef, i no send, if that is what will make me feel safer flying. not sure about you ladies though, with machines seeing all your bits,

Kobojunkie:
Procedures have to be EVALUATED in most every case where something goes wrong.

my opinion is that there's too much reacting and not enough proactiveness. must something go wrong before they evaluate? perhaps updating procedures every year or even every 6 months, rather than every time something goes wrong they say oh snap, we have to evaluate. what happened to evaluating even when things dont go wrong. i know it may sound simplistic but it has to be done. the terrorists always seem to be half a yard quicker, and the only way to nip it in the bud or at least greatly minimise attacks is communication, sharing of information and updating policies and procedures quickly. one must commend the international flying community for responding quickly to any threat they see on board. one thing is for sure for me, my days of sleeping on board are OVER. i will be so ALERT

Kobojunkie:
Our Culture? Seriously, that argument is old.  We are speaking of his being reported to Americans who likely do not give a darn about our fabled ideas of what our culture is and what it is not. Is it also our culture to purchase 4 million pound apartments for 23 year olds? What else is our culture that this father has done on behalf of this precious son of his? ( Now you have me sounding like a bitter human being here on this). ROFLMAO!!

This has nothing to do with culture ooo!!! Make we stop with all this annoying reasons wey no even dey paper. LoL Ofcourse the US would NEVER say they did not GOOF, I mean if the man had been successful, the US would have been faced with even more hell. So they would, once again, try to beef up security but at the end of the day, we all know they will NEVER get it right until all countries, even the Netherlands, and even Nigeria, get to working together to help stop these people.

One minute we scream that the US is not world police, the next we DEMAND it act as world police. Which one we want?

my point here is that one of the fundamental things in life is culture. Shell nigeria is diferent from Shell amsterdam even though it is the same Shell. they had to adapt to the business culture in Nigeria in order to thrive. using this analogy what i meant was, in nigeria it is rare for a prominent man to alert any authorities about a child's intended actions or even bad behaviour. the US embassy should have been pragmatic and acted quick on this fact, knowing the climate in which they operate in. i wont even comment on the 4 million pound house as it isnt relevant here. i have been watching situation room on CNN and other respected news agencies and the general consensus is that the US from a risk management perspective DID not follow procedures they set for themselves and have to re-evaluate their procedures and stop slacking. this is serious stuff. i believe in leading from the top, and if you read between the lines, or even clearly at Obama's statements since the debacle occured his primary question was ' how did he get on the plane at amsterdam'. secondly he said that the procedure had to be evaluated. the current one is over 3 years old and has to be updated before something more sinister occurs. of course 100% success is not attainable but you want to be able to look in the mirror and say, THERE'S NOTHING MORE WE COULD HAVE DONE. in this instance US cant say that because it is fact that his father reported him.

wirinet:
I believed the father is a culpable as the son for many reasons;

1. The father must take responsibility for the up bringing of his son and he must have been brought up with radical Muslim indoctrination.

2. The father is responsible for the boy's extravagant life style, since we are not told the boy is gainfully employed, where is he getting the funding to be traveling everywhere. For him to be able to obtain a US multiple visa, his father must have provide some sort of backing for him.

3. Why did the father not warn the US embassy on the exact nature of the threat, in order words, why did he not provide actionable intelligence instead of the nebulous warning of a threat. Can you truly say that the son had confided in the father the exact nature of those threats.
You cannot blame the US for not taking the threat serious enough.

i disagree 100% with your views. he is 23 not 17. hes a grown ass man. a grown adult. if he had a motor accident killing people should his father be arrested about extravagant lifestyle i know many kids of the super rich in diaspora who spend lavishly and are very very alright. this guy clearly is an isolated incident and may he be the first and last, amen. the father couldnt have warned the US about the exact nature of the threat as you said because HE DID NOT KNOW IT it is botha communications and security disaster which could have resulted into a calamity. thank God

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=372142.msg5199924#msg5199924 date=1261999813]And to think they deny entries to genuine Nigerian youths going to America to study/work makes it more disturbing.
I dunno how Farouk got them fooled but it's a disgrace America haven't really learnt their lesson.[/quote]lessons learnt 101. i agree with u my guy

Kobojunkie:
Consider these . . . . .

a) This is not the ONLY father, disgruntled loved one, etc who has warned the US of a potential terrorist

while he may not be the ONLY father the fact that hes a prominent father and in our culture fathers rarely report their children, instead they give excuses of even fly them abroad when their wahala is too much! the US goofed, obama's statement and the homeland security guy have been alluding to this. every threat must be investigated. they should learn from this big time

Kobojunkie:
What about the millions of African parents IN AFRICA who raise their kids “PROPERLY” in Africa. They try to instill the “VALUES” they were taught in Africa when they were young. And the kids turn out so horrible, and then you cannot believe that child who was born and raised in Africa was not born evil? 

you have opined accurately here. a man/woman will choose his/her path regardless of the upbringing. obviously a good upbringing minimises the risk of a child turning bad but in my opinion three things need to be in tandem for a child to turn out well.

1. the special grace of God [regardless of upbringing]

2. the will power of the child to be good and differentiate good acts from evil ones and the choice to choose good

3. love, education, closeness, instilling values

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=372507.msg5205660#msg5205660 date=1262048127]He's a man with a babyface. [/quote]im sure you know the baby faced ones are the worst, abi, u be woman u suppose know.lol

Kobojunkie:
He is a 23 year old Man for pete’s sake. We are not talking of a BOY here

he is a grown ass man. man not boy. man

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=372507.msg5205248#msg5205248 date=1262043726]Exactly!
Imagine after the report from his father,
The screenings at the airport, he was still able to get that bomb into the plane.[/quote]obama wont take it easy with those guys i can assure you. security of life is the number one priority of any president

mubaraqqq:
I am so amazed how people can judge other people when you are not in their shoes.Do you know what the parents are going through now? They are questioning every decision they have ever made regarding their son.

true say.

Raising kids is not a joke. You can have a parent that gives the child everything, takes parenting classes, ask for therapist help on raising the kids and still the kids turn out horribly. Then you will have another one that hardly pays attention to their kids and ignores them but the child turns out perfect. There are kids out there born in the Ghetto raised by crack head mother and fathers that are in and out of jail for stealing and drugs, and they still turn out perfectly well.

it really takes the grace of God/ [according to experts children from broken homes dont often do well, hence OBAMA]

Point been, no parents wants their kids to turn evil, they raise their kids to the best of their knowledge and do their best. Now at some point the child decides to choose between good and evil, and turn against everything the parent has taught them. You cannot blame the parent for that.

i wholly agree


Another example is the African parents abroad that try everything to raise their kids properly in America. They try to instill the values they were taught in Africa when they were young. And the kids turn out so horrible, that you cannot believe that child is an african child. You can only do your best as a parent.

some kids abroad are an absolute disgrace.

it is in nigeria's interests to work with the U.S. on this, and all indications are that is the case. the fact that the man's father reported him to the authorities months ago gives him integrity in my opinion. obama's main question was 'how did he get on the plane after knowing that he was a risk'? the security has to improve, it is bad for nigeria no doubt but generally when a father reports his son to emabassy officials it HAS to be be taken seriously. that is what you call lessons learnt and the world was spared of another calamity thanks to God and the vigilant and responsive passengers

as usual people tend to deviate from the main issue. messi is both the balloon dor winner and FIFA world player of the year, incidentally barca also won 6 titles in one calendar year. lets not compare him to ronaldo or anyone else. give the guy his due props and move on to the next topic. sometimes football is not about stats, but about emotion and magic, which messi has in abundance. congrats to messi

this topic again? sighs,

puskin:
This is definitely not good for Nigeria 'cos other oil companies might be tempted to follow suit.

venezuela moved from 80% foreign run refineries 20% local, to 90% local, 10% foreign in 10 years. this same period fuel was not increased in the country. this may be the kick up the backside we need to manage our God given resources. it may be good for us i say

Justcash:
One day, Nigerians will take out all idiots like them from the face of the earth.

mr justcash from japan, will you embark on the journey to take out the idiots or wait for it to be done for you? violence only begets more violence, not peace. wars ongoing around the world lay credence to that assertion. lets work together and use thid forum as a means for positiveness, a feat that can only be achieved by working together, regardless of our individual differences. we should never allow ourselves to sink to the level of the leaders that we accuse. one nigeria !

no one is born a leader i meant.

cre8tivity:
a good topic for this discussion is "why is it so difficult to get a contract in nigeria?"
from what have read so far, it seems to me that @topic mission was rejected at some point or level. another me me me nigerian trying to do business without paying any mind to the platform or looking at the real obstacles. our business platform, just like many other things in nigeria needs to be redefined. and this can not be done unless we are ready to contribute something. leadership roles must be revised. a country with apathetic leaders will forever be an undeveloped country. let us forget business or just making money or our personal dream, let us all be more realistic and face the real problems in Nigeria (leadership). instead of only addressing the defective fruits that are being produced by the tree, let us address the ground or type of soil the tree was planted on, 49 yrs ago.

i agree with you but in nigeria's case we need a holistic approach to tackle the problem. leadership+followership= excellence. that equation is not complete without good followership. we need both to get to where we need to be. remember that all the people who have led nigeria were once followers. no one is both a leader[apart from monarchs obviously]

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=366272.msg5129077#msg5129077 date=1261006794]no not some pie in the sky term called development,but by enforcement of laws already on the books. . .
hope u know there is corruption everywhere in the states also. . .mayors,house of rep members and so on are busted daily. . .
the difference here is that there is enuff manpower and resources available to those who are charged with enforcing laws
again dont see what literacy has to do with this. . .if u pass a law and have the resource to enforce it. .then people wont pee on the street simple
or dont u know ppl are routinely arrested for peeing on the street here?. .again enforce laws that are passedproductivity growth does not only occur in manufacturing. . .productivity is the ability to do more with less. . .it can come in services sector or any other sector
again u.s productivity growth was the highest in some 5yrs this past 3rd qtr. . .it has helped to increase the wealth of the average u.s employee,also with increased productivity comes increase in company profits. . .which means an increase in the wealth effect in forms of dividends or capital gainsits not a biggie to most third world economies and china. . .frankly its also not a biggie to half the U.S in the form of republicans and some independents

my point is that nigeria needs to grow faster than it is. . .and govt has to do less not more as u clearly propose

halle berry eh. . . . .am more of a genievive. . .or kelly rowland type of guy. .but its all good. .cheers[/quote]glad we agree on quality of women. have a lovely evening

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=366272.msg5128968#msg5128968 date=1261004457]so in essence u believe govt should legislate morality?

[b]no i dont think morality should be legalised. it comes free of charge when you have a developed country. development is the reason why a head of department wont put all his/her workers salary in a fixed deposit to accrue interest, whilst the employees are crying out for their paychecks, as it is done in some areas in nigeria.

for literacy rates.  .that again deals with relevant laws,which i have already said is what govt is there for. . that means. . making and enforcing laws
like what yr to what someone must be in school and so on. . .

basic literacy is being able to read and write, also being able to discern right from wrong, i.e. it is right to pee in your house, wrong to pee on the road[ you dont need to go to Harvard to know that.

however the ability to enforce such is soley dependent on the resources available.  .which is soley dependent on how much growth and tax revenue is available
eg schools are funded here by property taxes. . .if the property value falls. . taxes collected falls and the schools suffer
again growth is paramount

here you impress me with your thought process. taxation is a key tool for growth, and if sustained over a long period can aid development. bravo

same for life expectancy and the rest in the HDI
[/b]
the only way to improve standard of living is through increase in productivity and not any centrally planned economic theory

[b]this is incorrect. the UK dont produce anything anymore, just services like banking. manufacturing is at an all time low, unless the productivity you refer to is service based, there are numerous ways to improve standard of living. a good police force will aid that

as for depletion of natural resources.  .again govt is there to make laws. . .there is usually a ying-yang pull on how far govt allows corporations to go on this
dont see what that has to do with anything

why do you think global warming and climate change is a biggie??


as for sustainability u quote. . .i believe its sustainable growth that is used nowadays. .again nothing to see here

no comment here

your final quote on the foriegn reserves is most revealling
how do u think u will fund the so called decrease in widespread suffereing(as u put it ),or decrease in infant mortality and so on
if there is no growth in the economy? . . .where do u get the money from.  .pluck it from trees?
the only way u have those $30billion in reserves u are eyeing is through economic growth
after that govt can make any laws it deems fit. . like minimum wage laws or workers rights laws and so on

you seem a bit confused. i never said there wasnt growth, there clearly is growth in nigeria, not development though. that time will come

its all well and good. . .but dont confuse this as a chicken and egg problem. .
because u need to grow your economy and grow it fast and rapidly before any other sort of social programs u think of can come in
again if nigeria can grow at 12-15% per annum. . with population growth steady at 3%,after 10 yrs poverty would have been reduced by 80% or thereabouts
get any macro-economic model and plug it in. . . .

seems u confuse govt social programmes with your so-called development. . .[/b]

im not confused, my thought process is as smooth as halle berry's face [/quote]