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i thought it was brilliant. till we start facing the truth more like this will suffice. while it is true that fashola has done and is doing a great job, this is a timely reminder that we all need to do more. i took positives from it though. the resilience of all the people living in those conditions were first class. and they seemed happy too. i know more people that live in better neighbourhoods that are waaaaaaaaaaay more miserable than them. God help us all.

Redman44:
@Malvino

Tell that to the Marines

There are Nigerians in the UK who are successful and they're mostly running their own businesses after working for some years. Wake up from your deep sleep . In Britain, anything is possible if you've got the guts and winning mentality. I've heard of a Nigerian couple without papers who own 3 solid homes in Greater London. They are strictly into business and ship a lot of stuff to Nigeria to sell. They have good friends who helped them to secure documents they use to get things done. I was told they would soon be given their indefinite Stay for spending so many years in Britain. It all depends on the friends you have and contacts. As much as I don't support illegality, once you've made the mistake of being illegal, you can always find something to do and sort yourself out as time goes on. Cheers.

true say. after 14 years with documentary evidence as an illegal u become eligible for permanent residency

toy boy:
Nope, you are rather being realistic in a way, but looking at it from your friends point of view, N2m will not get him a plot of land in the same area he's renting a house for N1.8m, He might not want to build a house just any where for reasons best known to him.
I for one will not have a property just anywhere esp if I will live in d said property, thats why I have not build a house to live in yet, I ll rather continue to rent till i have the kind of money needed to buy or build a property in area/location I want to stay in.

as i opined earlier some peeps are more interested in living with the Joneses and renting, rather than building in an area that isnt posh. you wonder why sooooooooo many oil workers retire in their 50s with no house to boast off, because they didnt want to live in yaba, and they had been used to living in chevron estate in lekki or shell flats in ikoyi. meanwhile they dont have the 100 million or so to buy and build there. rather than move away to where they can afford they will rather pay 5 million for 2 years rent, and nothing to show for working 20 years in shell ! true story folks for a lot of nigerians. living with the Joneses is a futile attempt. the rich always know each other. unless the reasons for renting are practical and reasonable like damola's reasons, in the long run nothing beats owning your own home. the pride with it is immeasurable

damola1:
It's all about perspective.

The growth of a man that lives in the city is different from a man that lives on the outskirts, his growth, that of his kids and family.

I use my case as an example: I had 1.5M to pay for rent 2yrs ago, and I did pay for it in the central city where I could be close to my business, my parents advised me to get some land somewhere, and I declined.

Today, I can afford 10x of that, largely because I am close to my business. Yes, 2yrs don pass, but that time is very critical to my growth or fall. What can I do from my parent's house or from sango ota!

Last year, my own brother wasted about 3M trying to rebuild my father's property on the outskirt, I advised him otherwise but he thought I was too naive, after spending so much money, he later understand what I mean, he simply dumped it.

Security is important, in these places when they want to rub you, they create a wall and walk in, spend 5hrs, eat your food, very bad,  road network accessibility, nearness to work place, whereas in the city, a thief that'll spend 30mins. in your house is very very strong.

The point is, you cannot leave the city due to fear of security, fact is there is no security anywhere, only how you tackle the day as it comes.

As you grow, you will learn that, if you can afford a house of 10M, it'll probably generate you income of less than N200k per year from rent, or maybe a bit higher, that's not enough to maintain someone that's earned that kind of money.

Like I said it's all about perspective and grace of God. It's that simple,

May God almighty show us the way.

you have spoken wisely and your example is apt, as you have mentioned one of the laws of business. location, location, location. if not for the location your business might not have reaped that kind of money. your nearness to it and how your clients view you is key. my reference was more for employees rather than employers and business owners. nice 1

MrCrackles:
GBAM!!!

i quite agree here. as long as he's not asking anyone on nairaland or anywhere for that matter to take care of the kids, make hin carry go. its no one's business

damola1:
It's all about perspective.

The growth of a man that lives in the city is different from a man that lives on the outskirts, his growth, that of his kids and family.

Like I said it's all about perspective and grace of God. It's that simple.

although you are right that the growth of a man that lives in the city is different from a man that lives on the outskirts, if the man who lives on the outskirts is a good planner he can set a timeline to move to the city, say in 10 years or else, with God's grace. many rich people in nigeria today came from the 'outskirts' and moved with the proceeds they got by selling land in the outskirts which appreciated. an example i can give is that of lekki. in 1994 no one wanted to live in lekki. it was an outskirt. the fear of it becoming flooded and the expense of building in that area deterred people. the wise ones who bought there then at a small price are instant millionnaires today in nigeria. there are people who are still renting from that same 1994 !

lawyer:
A friend of Mine just told me that he rented an Apartment for N1.8Million per annum x 2 Years which is N3.6Million and he paid agency and legal fees of N360,000 Which brings about the rented apartment fees to N4.2Million and i advised him before that to at least remove a Million or 2Million to get a land anywhere to start building and get a cheaper place to rent since he is just a batchelor and he should at least have a Plan B, but he just shrugged if off and said the Future will take care of itself. I know he just came in contact with some money after his business yielded fruits and he invested most of it on the apartment.

I know the future will definately take care of itself but i also know that the landlord will increase the rent after the expiration of the term of the tenancy, and spending that kind of sum without a back up Plan is quite risky. I know there are some people too that will disagree with my stance and say i am in no position to advise him to have a plan B to buy a land. I have also been a victim of cruel landlords and the proposed future can have set backs that could lead to humbling experiences. Maybe its the property lawyer in me talking or maybe i am being disconnected with reality that some people dont have time for land matters as long as the rent is being paid and shelter is being provided no matter the circumstances! Should he have used the money differently or what?

I will like to hear your views!

you are not being old fashioned or judgemental. you are being practical and reasonable. the advice to own will always supercede the advise to rent. most people put comfort before sense and there the problem lies. most people want to live in a good area[nothing wrong with that]. but when its at the expense of owning your own land/property then i feel its best to invest in a not too good area, wait till it appreciates then slowly you can move to your desired location. a tiny fraction of people think this way, most are consummed by living in a nice area and living large, without a plan B. you are most right that the landlord will increase the rent. on your own land and in your own house no ONE can increase the rent cos its yours. the future is today.

madlady:
^
I really should not have responded, but I could not help it. 

i did say wassup

madlady:
WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank goodness another voice of reason.


Now I can leave this FLAME making thread.

dont leave, wassup

the bottom line is DO NOT GENERALISE. its poor judgement and a distinct lack of perceived education. you say you are educated yet you generalise. because george bush made president doesnt mean any C grade student can make president. because some whites are racist doesnt make all whites racists. because some nigerian do fraud doesnt mean all nigerians are fraudsters. because some chinese people produce fake quality goods doesnt mean they cant produce great products, because some jamacians seem rough doesnt mean you dont have proper educated clean ones. the same goes for every nationality. generalisation is one of the tenets of being perceived as educated but not really educated. a real educated person doesnt generalise. treat each individual on their merit and make your opinions on that specific event. just because a national of a country was bad to me doesnt mean another national of the same country wont be nice tomorrow. as chimamanda adozie said in a speech delivered in Oxford university last year, 'dont tell a story as a SINGLE STORY'. educate your minds people.

[quote author=*Hauwa* link=topic=402697.msg5569293#msg5569293 date=1266938186]Nig guys would do anything to land a puzzie so let them dream on, at the end of the day, they still prefer us [/quote]puzzie puzzie. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Quote from: MzDarkSkin on Today at 05:52:10 AM
Well first and foremost let me introduce myself before I rant. Yes I am a newbie here. I actually found about this site while looking up relations between Africans (from the continent) and African descendants. Unfortunately I came across BULL. I've read posts about "why are nigerian men dating jamaican women?", "why dont nigerian men in the UK get along with Jamaican women?" I've seen some of the most pathetic posts about "Jamo women smoke weed (90 percent of them)", "Jamo women wear blue. black, lime green, yellow, blonde weave", "Jamo women will cut off your male anatomy" etc. Complete, utter RUBBISH. Let me just say I come here with NO disrespect intended, as I am a black woman therefore of the African vine that you all born on the land or to parents who were. I have dated African men and I adore them. I will also have you all know I am the product of a Jamaican mother and an African American father. What I read burned my soul because I was raised by a Jamaican women with so much dignity, respect and pride that it has rubbed off on me. The disrespect is MAJOR! I could not believe a people who claim to be the "super powers of Africa" and intelligent would say such vile, and disgusting stereotypical junk that has plaqued ALL black people. I do NOT appreciate the slander what so ever. I have NEVER worn blonde, lime green, pink, purple, blue, yellow etc weave, I do not find it cute nor will I ever. As for SOME of my Jamaican sisters? to each his own. Every orchard has its spoiled apples, Africans should know this first hand as African ppl are by far the most stereotyped humans on the planet.

Futhermore this issue between some of you rude and envious Nigerian women and Jamaican women is childish and pitiful. If a Nigerian MAN, not child, not boy but MAN, should decide that he will like to wed, bed or even get to know a Caribbean/Jamaican woman, so be it. This anomousity is rediculous. To the fool who claimed that 90 percent of my sisters smoked weed let me ask you this there are nearly 3.5 million Jamaican ppl on my island, to every man there is about 4 women, so let me ask you this "you really want me to believe that you have actually spoken to/met millions of Jamaican women to be sure that 90 percent of us smoke weed?" you are but a fool. You are ignorant and should be ashamed of yourself. Nigerian women who dislike us GET OVER YOURSELVES! Every African man I have dated has exclaimed/declared they will nolonger date African women because apparently you all are "dramatic and over the top not to mention loud". Sure SOME of you may be but I am woman enough to know that some do not speak for all, futhermore I am also woman enough to tell them that African woman birthed you so you cannot turn your back on them. I am a fair person and a proud college bound HARD WORKING Jamaican woman. If you want to know why is it Nigerian/African men like us, ask yourselves "what is wrong with us to make them stray?"; that statement alone by now has spawned fire inside of some of you because you are biased but I could careless.

The reason Africa and other black nations cannot thrive is foolishness such as this. This ethnocentric, tribalistic crap has despoiled us of years and chances of elevation generation after generation! Is My Jamaican blood enough to make me not a good choice for an African man? or is it my character that should be questioned? Ask yourself that. Someone said "isnt there other Caribbean women? why Jamos?" I guess as if to say we are the bottom of the pit and should be overlooked. Let me explain this clear so that I am not to repeat myself: Jamaican women are WOMEN. We are not extraterrestial beings we are not inbetween the sexes we are WOMEN; and like ALL women we range from mild mannered to extreme ignorance. Like ALL women you have (excuse my language) "Ladies" and "b.tches" (again pls excuse me). If you go to Trinidad same story. Barbados? same story. Colombia? Same. America? Same. Africa? You fill in the blank. We are more than worth it after all we are also of African descent which regardless of how you all feel connects us. The only division between us that should be evident is the Atlantic Ocean nothing more. Grow up and educate yourselves on the tribes that make up Jamaica: Igbo and Yoruba are among the many f.y.i.

To my Nigerian brothers and sisters who understand me, bless up and respect. I look forward to conversing with you all and getting to know Nigerian culture and history to all else grow up!, AND FAST.

EXCELLENT POST MY JAMAICAN SISTER.

This is one of the most interesting threads i have read which has unfortunately digressed from 'are there jobs in UK' to UK or Nigeria, 'which is better'. first things first we as humans tend to generalise where we need to be specific. specific situations shouldnt be used as a yard stick of the norm. another thing to note is that we are all different and not everyone has the 4 Ds to survive. determination, drive, desire and dedication. in essence what i mean is that in any situation you are in whether UK or naija you need those four things with prayer to succeed and indeed rascism tribalism and all the other isms are there, whether we like it or not. while it is good to use people like Obama as examples the truth is that the Obama story is a singular and specific one and not the norm, just like George Bush's intelligence cannot be the yard stick for the average white.

Pafun and cap28 have made very good contributions but it is worthy to note that their contributions are borne from the experiences they have faced and the experiences of people closest to them. these experiences will make them stronger and instead of bashing anyone's opinions we should strive to learn from them. if you havent experienced racism does that mean racism doesnt exist? you could be lucky or even worse, not seen as a threat for promotion so no one bothers with being funny towards you. i conclude by saying that one should put God first, embrace the opportunities that present themselves and be good at all times.UK is not for everyone. i repeat UK is not for everyone. if you cant hack it and have a realistic opportunity in the land of your birth by all means go. if staying here is your forte and you are PROGRESSING and not stagnant then stay, but by all means admit it to yourself that here isnt paradise. some people here made a few demeaning remarks about Pafun's business, which is poultry. this is wrong. we need more poultry, meat, fish owners and build up the agricultural base we abandoned when we struck oil. a nation that cannot feed itself is a nation in disarray and perpetual stagnancy. i will always have time for people in agriculture.

debosky:
Undue criticism of the OP here - he made a comment about his friends in particular and about the 'sad faces' he saw in a church. That does not imply a blanket condemnation of the UK or wholesale praise of life in Nigeria.

An individual's views is often borne out of personal experience. In his own opinion, staying at home at 40 is unacceptable - he'd do whatever is necessary to work an earn a living without depending on his wife for sustenance. That is all he's said, and the UK defenders come out in full force.

As always he can't say too much about others experiences, just his and his own worldview.

Like someone said, you can't base your life on another person's template - examine whatever situation you're in and decide what is most important to you. Some will applaud you for it, some will insult you for it, but do the best thing for yourself and your family.

The UK is no picnic, and Nigeria is no tea party either. People are making good livings in both places - the key is for each individual to make his own decision and give it his absolute best.

My contribution would be similar to one previous - don't look down on people simply because they aren't well off, and in whatever way you can, give them assistance - in word, in kind, in cash, in connections, whatever you can do.

this view is perhaps one of, if not the best constructed response to the collective barrage of bizarre, well spoken and totally digressive comments. the poster did not mean to generalise and lets be honest, staying at home IN ANY COUNTRY at 40 is unacceptable. while it could be as a result of the economic crisis one always has to try to improve the situation, not accept it as fate. if improving it means the person affected need to relocate then so be it, otherwise a different approach has to be taken to improve the dire problem. no country is easy, even when you have the papers in the UK/US and good job etc, there is something you cannot ignore. your colour !

SEFAGO:
.The reason you gave after really has nothing to do with why they act with oyibo casts. Did you consider that America is 65% caucasian? Will Smith's movies dont even sell much outside America because of race issues and stuff like that anyways.

Released Movie Name US Gross Worldwide Gross
12/19/2008 Seven Pounds $69,951,824 $166,617,328
7/2/2008 Hancock $227,946,274 $624,346,274
12/14/2007 I am Legend $256,393,010 $585,055,701
12/15/2006 The Pursuit of Happyness $162,586,036 , $306,086,036
2/11/2005 Hitch $177,784,257 $366,784,257
10/1/2004 Shark Tale $160,861,908 $367,275,019
7/16/2004 I, Robot $144,801,023 $348,601,02

from the table above you will see that will smith movies DO SELL much more outside the US, at least doubling the US figures. nothing to do with race my guy. na star power

truth is they are more professional[b][/b]. that is the answer right there.professionalism

@ the amaka- i feel this is a step in the right direction for our home video industry which has no infrastructure and basically run by the talent and not the cameras/editing/cinematography/lighting/make-up, you get my drift. our talent is exactly what it is, OUR talent. it isnt world class by any stretch of imagination. you cant be world class unless you test yourself against world class talent in a world class industry. although none of the foreign cast is grade A talent in hollywood they are still talent who are used to working with 35 mm cameras et al. Our naija talent can only learn a great deal from the experience and if they are underwhelmed by the occassion can one honestly blame them? i feel that acting with the foreign cast gave them a fascinating expose into the art of REAL movie making and international acting, which cannot be gained by acting 'my mama part 3' or any other make shift half baked production. even in the US our favourite actors like denzel, will smith tend to act with oyinbo productions. truth is they are more professional and have more resources to obtain the desired outcome.im pleased, and if it draws attention to their talents and more work trickles in then good. of course it will be a shock to their systems as it dawns on them that being a mega star in africa has no resonance when you get to hollywood. like the world trade center bombing, you start from ground zero

@ poster. wonderful analysis. we must stay true to our natural talents

K4:
@ Liedetect : I don’t know how you came across the notion that Ghanaians are obsessed with Nigeria/Nigerians? At least I am not! As far as I know, Ghanaians only deal with issues concerning Nigeria when it involves Ghana. I don’t see how web sites dedicated to Ghana will run stories about Nigeria that have no bearing on Ghana. I’ll give you one example (and of course there are several like that even on this forum). Go to the travel section of nairaland. An African American woman posted a thread seeking to know why Nigeria is not following the example of Ghana and Brazil in wooing potential African American tourists to its shores. Can you believe that some of the Nigerian respondents completely left the subject matter of the thread to begin to make derogatory remarks about the Ghanaian economy etc? What has the thread got to with the size or source of funding for the Ghanaian economy? That is the sort of thing you read all the time on Nigerian online fora. Just mention Ghana and everybody goes into frenzy.

Cyber eagles-as the name clearly suggest, is a wholly Nigerian owned site very popular with Nigerian football fans. Ask your kinsmen to confirm what I ‘m saying.

I don’t see how other countries discovering oil has to do with Ghana’s situation. We As always, Ghana is determined to turn its new-found oil wealth into veritable means of rapidly developing its economy. Unlike some other countries who have nothing to show for decades of oil exploitation.

I also was in Abuja when Ghana played the finals of the World Under-20 championship in Egypt last year. Every single person at my hotel was rooting for Brazil. They did not hide the fact that they desperately wanted Brazil to win. It wasn’t the first time I had seen Nigerians throw their weight behind teams playing against Ghana so I wasn’t expecting support from Nigerians. Even when the Egypt –Ghana was being played today, the moment Egypt scored, a Nigerian sitting beside me started clapping wildly in celebration. I don’t mind Nigerians supporting teams Ghana play against, what annoys me is some of you coming here to claim you always support Ghana! And I will be frank with you, because of the attitude of Nigerian fans I also don’t support any Nigerian team- I don’t care who they play against. I don’t pretend about that and will say it anywhere. That is me. I don’t pretend. If I don’t like you I will tell you to your face!

i must say well spoken. all ghanaians deserve a round of applause. a team without essien, pantsil, muntari et al got to the final, whoa. we nigerians must learn from you, as the british are learning from the americans today. your continuity in promoting youth football is commendable and the decision to allow 8 under 20 players in a nations cup squad is impressive, something our NFA needs to perhaps emulate. dont let anyone scare you brother, air your views but as with all things do it with moderation and respect. one africa

THE AMAKA:
[color=#ff1199]16th century = 1700s
but anyway you can go back to 1610 on your own, toodles![/color]

twas a joke. insulting anyone is wrong at work regardless of gender. although some women are promiscous at work they are varying factors why this is so

1. the woman could be a natural flirt which could lead to promiscuity

2. the woman could do it for a specific reason i.e. target driven/promotion

3. she could be intimidated as in if she doesnt do it she may lose her job or get transferred to some remote branch. more women are suing bosses now though. glad awareness is picking up. NO TO WORKPLACE HARRASSMENT

THE AMAKA:
[color=#ff1199]what kind of people decided to insult their female workforce just for some laughs? women are trying to work and make a living, now they are being branded as promiscuous? i feel bad for the women that can't get married due to these foolish generalizations.
i guess some people wish to go back to the 16th century. anyone can be promiscuous no matter what profession. this topic still saddens me and especially where it ended up.
sigh. . .[/color]

back to 1610, see you there

we wont win this tournament based on this performance. eygpt, algeria , ghana will rip us to shreds

gen gennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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u see a goal?

soft freekick

Mouse2010:
TB JOSHUA,we need your assistance here, Help us.

lol

amen

omo, who go win?

Fhemmmy:
You pray not that what? I think we need to pray that Yaradua knows what is best for him and he does it.

well spoken

this rally thing is gladdening my heart. well done to all the protesters. well done

Onlytruth:
WTF

What are these people really talking about. I remember my classmate Chima Ubani died while hustling for one these nonsense activities, but today no one even remembers his name. I would advise my Igbo folks to stay away. Caveat emptor.

unfortunately casualties will occur and my deepest condolences to your dear classmate. it isnt nonsense.these same protests liberated black americans during the civil rights movement in the 60s. as a result of progressive blacks since then a platform was set in stone, one that a certain barack obama is enjoying now. it works but we need a leader in the mould of a martin luther king, ghandi, mandela. we have no one in that mould. if we did people will willingly die so that their kids can have a bright future