Ocholu:


I am a bachelor. And I confidently do all these stuffs myself. No qualms, no issues.

Anything else?

And women don't protect and do all that themselves as well?

CumOnHer:

First of all, correct the title of the thread.

I don't know what you think of yourself, but you are in no position to tell me that.You don't tell me what to do, this forum is not yours,even if it was yours ,you are still not in the position to bark out that order. The worse you will do is lock the thread.

CumOnHer:


Op was mistaken and she has been able to misinform you. The man is the chief negotiator while a woman is the respondent. You would be making a silly mistake limiting the man's table only to his financial capacity. To men, money is not the end but a means to an end.
The man sets the agenda and put your capacity to the test. If you pass, he gives you a role in his home and if you don't, he kicks you off the table.

Enough of all this back and forth ,so tell us what more a man has to offer,lets hear it Mr chief negotiator.

Ocholu:


Let's talk about propensity. How many of the variables you mentioned above is a daily survival mechanism?

They economist once talked about the hierarchy of needs. According to them, some needs are higher than others. That as humans, we tend to put some variables more than others. Understand where I am coming from, the human angle and not gender.

Offerings, both natural and artificial are outweighed by the most important. You yourself apply that daily in your routines.

I just read up some of your comments on this thread. And I can say that sadly, we're not on the same page. You sound heavy hearted for some reasons bitter.

You need to clear your mind.
Shalom.

So you don't need a care giver , a nuturer ,a home maker , a cook ,an organiser in the home for it's day to day smooth running?

Tell us more.

CumOnHer:

Back in the day, societal & moral standards were all time high. Our mothers were prepared and groomed from home to become a proper wife material in sharp contrast to today's women who at best can be called a bride material. They are only being prepared to walk down the alter and thereafter, they recoil back to their true self.

A man's worth is beyond the money but the value he brings to the table. The value of a man is not limited to his financial capacity. When a man loses his job or sufferers a little setback, he puts his value into securing a better job or more streams of income. To men, money is a means to an end, not the end itself. But to women, money is the end, get the money & get the pussy.

Lol

So the women of today who are in offices and markets are not groomed because they are not the "my Lord " type of women anymore?
Because for all I know women of today cna still cook ,clean ,take care of the kids, take care of the home and many even pay half the bills and some even more.


I think the problem is women of the past put all their afforts to groom and dolt over their daughters and left the boys to blend in after all " na man". The problem is men want wives like their mothers, the " suffer head " type of women who stayed and suffered and wore it like a badge of honor to prove to society they were virtuous.


Women today offer more in marriages and on the table ,the only difference is that the door to exit a marriage is now wider than it used to be and more women are choosing mental health and peace over bearing Mrs.

Ocholu:


Glad you finally validated my points. The thought that men only have money to offer is not a natural phenomenon or circumstance. It was manufactured and projected.

Nuturing equals the protection the man offers, that's cancelled out already.

Infact protection can be transferred to a woman ,e.g widows and single mothers. Hence the reason I stated earlier that a phenomenon is different from instincts and can be influenced or weakened. You cannot place child birth in the same category .

If man says he is placing protection on the table, a woman places


Nuturing
Home making
Companionship
Child bearing
Care giver
Protector
Organiser

And many more.
On that table.

Take away the money from men ,they will fail in the so called protector duty and start claiming emasculation.

Mrshape:

That a big lie as many private school teachers earn more than some bankers and tomatoes seller

K.

Ocholu:


How about natural behaviours? Natural strength patterns? And what makes you think instincts cannot be natural?

Y'all see things only in its biological representation forgetting that, that's not the only composition of a living being.

I only pointed out the difference between instincts and phenomenon to you . I never said instincts cant be natural. However, instincts can be influenced and weakened just like conscience. So know the difference.

Biglittlelois:



I think it is their level of brain capacity, it is limited, very limited, it makes them see women a certain way, so instead of improved knowledge as they grow, they remain stagnant or backward, this is the only reasonable logical explanation for their limited deficiency.

I am still trying to find another explanation to yours sis

Ocholu:


Hahaha.. Choi!! Come with facts. Let's have a proper discussion.

Not opinions, biases and "what I think". I urge you to do my reading, research. Then quote me let's talk.

For now, statements are heavy with fallacies.

The fact is only child birth is a natural phenomenon.There is nothing fallacious about it. You can only associate something as a natural phenomenon to a gender if the task cannot to taken up by the other . It's just like having a penls and vagina. Don't mistake natural instincts for natural phenomenon.


By natural instincts women are nuturers while men are protectors .

Biglittlelois:



We are talking of relationships at least from the Op's perspective, not prostitutes that comes with pussy as their bargaining power, and who told you100 out of 100 women throw the pussy on the table? The women you are used to in your enclave? You seem to have comprehension issues, read the Op again, is finance the expectation men want from women because that is all they can also bring to the table?

The way these men talk you would have to wonder the women hustling everyday in offices ,in markets what they are doing.

These boys go to clubs and immessage to pick girls and want to use their dirty lifestyle to paint everyone else.


Sometimes I wonder the kind of upbringing they have ,to even think all women are the same,like didn't they atleast grow up with one responsibility female on their midst?

IMEI:


More like confused generation

let them keep sliding down, it'll hasten the rise of a sensible one in their place

lol sensible is subjective based on human perspective.

If you call it non-sensible for a person not to ignore red flags or stay put in a marriage just to be a Mrs or stay for the children ,then that's your personal opinion.

I think the things that used to hold most marriages together in the past , religion and traditions are gradually loosing their grip on people .

IMEI:
It's baffling how this generation's genders focus on each other to the point of fixation, yet relationships are more prone to breaking than at any time known in time

Men have nothing to talk about but women, women have nothing to talk about but men, yet, they can't seem to co-exist in stable relationships

The irony

welcome to the woke generation ,things will only go down hill from here.

CumOnHer:

It is common sense that a place of negotiation is a place of offer. When a woman turns the table or attempt to turn the table, it provokes the man to increase his bargaining power.. Recently, the financial demands on women is fairly high because men have come to realize that he cannot build his future on a pussy but with a woman who has the wherewithal to build his home. Men are aware that two good heads are better than one good head and one good pussy. A good head is the one that carries value and not the one that carries a pussy.

So by your logic ,do we now conclude that women of the past were bad heads and based marriages on pussy alone? .


And by the way it's also common sense that the table for men is bills and financial capability and responsibility . Deny and twist it all you want , MEN HAVE NOTHING TO PUT ON THE TABLE OTHER THAN MONEY.

Hence the reason they feel emasculated when they loose their jobs in marriages and become useless to themselves and nagging to their wife.

I don't know about men of other societies ,but Nigerian men see money as a means of control cos that is all they have to offer , hence they fear a woman that earns well or even more than them. You will hear "this one go fit submit so? ". Like why would a grown adult submit to you a mere mortal like her unto say you be Lord and savior?

Biglittlelois:



You are deflecting, be clear, Op says what you men expect women to bring is finance because that is all you can bring, is she right or not?

That is what I said o. But then again, the wild goose chase is here, and I ma ready to run this one out until we arrive at the original "intention" of the thread

Ocholu:


It's funny how y'all are quick defensive. Most of my statements are empirical. I'll drop sources if need be.

A recent study showed that women are mostly the ones who push the "what does a woman offer" narrative. Go to saner climes, and the kinda narratives being projected by women are manufactured and artificial thoughts.

And, when I referenced the "society", I was talking of both you and me, so??

You need to understand that I am not arguing with you, neither I am debating. There's no factual statement were I said women can't be their own protector and others. That narrative and bias was subtly manufactured by you.

Somethings are natural. Regardless of how you choose to alter, change or twist it.

The only natural phenomenon here is child birth because it is a biological process women can't transfer to men.

What you call natural in terms of what men have to offer is subjective . Same way it might be natural for a man to pay bride price according to you but other societies will consider it natural for a woman to pay groom price.

Ocholu:


It's natural. And not proportional to anything. Just as how child birth is natural to women, so are these offerings to men.

It's the society that sold that narrative. And there's a certain social strata that such narrative doesn't exist.

The society made up of who? Aliens?

I find it funny when we use the phrase " society" as if we are not part of it.


And you think as a woman ,she can't protect herself or ogransise her life?
What does a man need to protect from tho? Ritualists? Armed robbers? Troublesome neighbours or Police?

What does he want to organize when some women eventually even stop their dreams to raise a family ?

CumOnHer:
The table is a place of negotiation, a place of offer. It is a place where capacities are put to the test. It is not to be confused as a place in exchange for gender roles as mostly viewed by women.
A woman's most bargaining power on the table is her pussy. She mounts on the table, lay on her back and spread the legs. The pussy is the trump card she throws on the table.
When a man comes to the table, he comes in the expectation of long term plans capable of achieving long term goals whereas when a woman comes to the table, she sizes up the table for self seeking advantage.



PS - I would be opening a counter thread anytime soon.

Lol says the ones who only come to the table to ask of what and what bills a woman will shoulder .

Maybe you should channel that energy to educate your fellow guys on what a table really means cos they have misconstrued the whole thing from the word go.



The table is actually not a place for negotiation as the man who actually asks the question already have expectations on what to hear and get.And 99 percent of the time it's is directly proportional to the woman's financial contribution.Admit it or not ,at the back of their mind ,their target is what percentage she can shoulder.

Ocholu:


Protection;
Organization, and;
Derivation.

And the level of protection , organization and derivation is directly proportional to how wealthy a man is .

It's this kind of people like the op that will be behind a lady on the queue and be using their penls to rub her. .


And that people find it as normal behavior and even funny for a man to be so out of control that he masturbates in public places is disgusting.To many perverted and depraved people on this forum.

Ocholu:


Men don't only offer money my dear beautiful damsel.

Tell us what else they offer that is not directly or indirectly linked to their financial capability.

mrksquare:



You are indeed a great writer. Really admide your style of writing

Thanks

Same way many women are married to closet gays in Nigeria ,that's a conversation people don't want to have tho.

Nice gift . A massage gun eases blood circulation and relaxes nerves.

The popular phrase is "what do you bring to the table" and men usually ask women this question.

But what does "table" mean for a man? . It simply means financial capability. Which is directly or indirectly proportional to his job or business.

I have seen men wail and nag about how women only rate them according to their pockets or what they do for a living. But when the only thing you have on your table is money, well you might as well be sized up by what you have on the table.


In a scenario where a woman offers support , loyalty, home making, care on that table ,it is regarded as incosequential except she has financial input as well sometime equal percentage with the man.

Men have subconsciously sold the idea that all they have to offer is money, yet they cry when their pocket is used to size them up. What an irony.

A mechanic, lives a better living standard than an average teacher in Nigeria. If na private school teacher,even tomatoes sellers earn more than those ones.


That being said, I believe guys have their spec when it comes to Ladies. Men want a homely if possible Nick Minaj body woman.But this type of body needs maintenance,toner and SPF don go up o ,even pure coconut oil doesn't come cheap.


While she should have quizzed to know the type of teacher ,it's her perogative to decide if she wants that kind of guy. And not enough reason to wish her death like some vile creatures are already doing on this thread. Husband scarce nor mean say women nor go even get choice ,haba wetin !

It's all fun until you or even your family member become a victim of ritual killing,for those who for any reason wish it on another, may karma seek you out and visit you.


No lady owes it to any man to "suffer" with him, it's her perogative, it doesn't make her less of a wife material. Suffer head nor be badge of honor , and if she feels a teacher won't be able to give her the kind of lifestyle she desires ,move on .Teachers are getting married every day,find the one that is into you. Even cripples get wife and children. There is a woman for every man.


All this whining and wailing everyday about women is irritating and won't change anything. Women of this generation nor send una,even if una use head hit wall,it will not guilt trip women to start "suffering" with men to earn the prize.

dhtml6:

This same thing happened to me once, I have reached a fueling station before they realized this, their defence was that if I have noticed immediately while I was still at the machine with camera, it would be easier to prove. Well, they got away with it, luckily, it was just one note.

I think bank officials are delibrately stealing bank money made to fill up ATMs and switching it with fake notes.

When a man is ready he is ready. But when a man is not ready even if you date him for ten years ,he will give you excuse why he is not ready the popular one being that he has not attained the kind of life he wants his kids to have.

mu2sa2:
Even if you detect a fake naira note, the bank guys can still deny that it was dispensed from their atm. I know of a case exactly like that. Met a guy at an atm point lamenting that 1k note out of 5k dispensed was fake. I encouraged him to follow it up especially given that he was to deliver the 5k to someone and the fact that he had no money to balance up. Later in the day the guy called me ( I gave him my number to update me) and said he went inside the bank to lodge a complaint and they claimed they always double-check the notes before loading on atm. Back in his office, he reported the matter and it went up to the Cp. It turned out that the guy was a police man. He said the Cp immediately ordered the arrest of the bank manager. Mehn, come and see begging when the Cp threatened to order full investigation into the case. The guy had the 1k replaced. Looked like those bank officials were deliberately mixing fake with geniune notes.

Nigerians sha. I just knew the bank officials were involved. This country is filled with criminal minded folks.

Kezifils:
This is how any man who has the means should treat his queen

Most younger guys won't. They would probably be too busy showing off for the gram and chasing side chicks.

frankson1:





The description part really got me angry. The OP is a rapist or a potential rapist. That girl shouldn't be in that house with him.

This kind of guy can sleep with the maid, his wife's sister or cousin, his wife's friend , neighbors daughter ,his daughter and step daughter. It's just disgusting and people find it normal.spits