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 Islam › Re: Open Letter To Seun On Putting Islam For Muslims Section Threads On Front Page by lanrexlan(m): 9:39pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
ShehuAba: I Don hear you oga, I am a joker.Don't mind the guy. Seriously,Seun will need an immediate action on the issue |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Tale Of Two Contradictory Gospels. by lanrexlan(op): 9:00pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
Macelliot: Since Femi is not a Muslim, who told you He is a Christian?Shut up if you have nothing to contribute.Can't you read? Jesus is our Lord and Saviour. GospelDoes this signifies he's a muslim? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Tale Of Two Contradictory Gospels. by lanrexlan(op): 6:39am On Oct 02, 2014 |
thorpido: Who posted it here?Who's the author of what was posted? My words don't even appeared in the op. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Tale Of Two Contradictory Gospels. by lanrexlan(op): 5:27am On Oct 02, 2014 |
tbaba1234: The article was not written by the op or even a muslim. There is no need to be defensive. It is a blog post ftom a news paper.Don't mind him jare,attacking the op and not the topic. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Tale Of Two Contradictory Gospels. by lanrexlan(op): 5:25am On Oct 02, 2014 |
mathmatica: It's obvious your understanding of the bible is very limited.Paul's teaching is a reflection of Christ ( Jesus) word to the gentiles.The author is a christian like you that is 'drunk' in Holy spirit. The bible did and would not contradict itself, hence,Christ spoke through Paul to the gentiles. Most Bibles have no verse 24 of Romans chapter sixteen. The text skips from verse 23 to verse 25. Some kind of error occurs here.Read more www.nairaland.com/1839178/problems-biblical-inerrancy Written by a christian,he agreed the bible contains error but God wants it that way Christians are admonished to show the effect of the word of God in their life(Work) but they are not saved by this work.Salvation is through faith in the sacrifice of Christ on calvary,hence,a Christian is saved by his acceptance of Christ sacrifice and not by doing what he assume is right,for man's righteousness is filth before God.Does that mean that we should continue to sin because we are saved by grace?no.For if we believe in Christ,and are saved by him(grace/faith),we would live according to his will(work).....So my dear,whenever you read your bible,beg God to give you a discerning mind,that you may know the truth and be save by it.This was not preached by Christ,Paul did(Romans 10:9).Jesus said Matthew 12:36-37 -''But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless work have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your word you will brother condemned 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Tale Of Two Contradictory Gospels. by lanrexlan(op): 5:08am On Oct 02, 2014 |
Macelliot: Better face ur Quran....Shut up,can't you read? Is Femi Aribisala now a muslim? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Tale Of Two Contradictory Gospels. by lanrexlan(op): 11:25pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
Cost of salvation With Jesus, forgiveness comes as we readily forgive all our offenders. Jesus says: “If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.” (Matthew 6:14-15). But with Paul,forgiveness comes without preconditions; it is the grace of God: “You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away.Then God made you alive with Christ. He forgave all our sins.” (Colossians 2:13). With Jesus,freedom from sin comes as we follow his word. Jesus says: “If you hold to my teaching,you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31-32). But with Paul, Christians are automatically free from sin because we died with Christ: “Our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin- because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.” (Romans 6:6-7). Paul says: “The gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23). But according to Jesus, eternal life is not God’s gift at all;it comes at great cost. Jesus says: “Everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.” (Matthew 19:29). Therefore, Jesus warns us to count the cost before deciding to follow him: “No one can become my disciple unless he first sits down and counts his blessings- and then renounces them all for me.” (Luke 14:33). Everlasting gospel Some maintain Paul’s gospel of grace is a post- resurrection dispensational replacement for Jesus’ gospel of the kingdom. However, Jesus confirms no such replacement. Instead he says: “This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14). Jesus does not introduce Paul’s doctrine of blood-atonement on his resurrection. His directive remains that “repentance and forgiveness of sins” should be preached in his name.” (Luke 24:47). In Acts,Peter does not associate Jesus’ death with the atonement of sins. (Acts 2:37-43). He says the righteousness of God comes by works. (Acts 10:34-35). But Paul says Christians automatically become new creatures: “old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” (2 Corinthians 5:17). In effect, Paul’s gospel is false. It merely tests those who would embrace Jesus’ gospel. Jesus’ gospel offers a narrow gate and a difficult way that leads to life; while Paul’s gospel offers a wide gate and a broad way that leads to destruction. (Matthew 7:13-14). Accordingly, the true gospel empties the churches; while the false gospel fills them. Christians must reject Paul’s enticing gospel. John warns: “Whoever does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him.” (2 John 1:9-10). Femi Aribisala https://blogs.premiumtimesng.com/2014/08/10/a-tale-of-two-contradictory-gospels/ |
| Christianity Etc › A Tale Of Two Contradictory Gospels. by lanrexlan(op): 11:20pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
The true gospel empties the churches;while the false gospel fills them. Most Christians are unaware that the gospel Jesus preached is contradicted by Paul. The gospel of Jesus is bittersweet; presenting great challenges to believers. Paul’s gospel is “sugar and spice and all things nice;” offering few challenges. Of course, the preferred gospel is the one Paul preached. It is the commercial gospel, tailor-made for lovers of life. It is enamoured by those who desire salvation but are not inclined to meet its costs. But don’t buy the lie. Paul’s gospel cannot save. Jesus is our Lord and Saviour. Gospel imperatives At the centre of Jesus’ gospel is the need for sinners to repent. Jesus says: “‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous,but sinners, to repentance.” (Matthew 9:13). But Paul disagrees. He says: “The gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” (Romans 11:29). Furthermore,he bases his gospel on sacrifice. Hear him: “Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.” (1 Corinthians 5:7). The gospel of the kingdom requires that we yearn for the righteousness of God. Jesus says: “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,for they will be filled.” (Matthew 5:6).However, righteousness is not a prerequisite in Paul’s gospel.Instead, he reassures sinners nonsensically that God justifies the ungodly:“To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly,his faith is credited as righteousness.” (Romans 4:5) . In Jesus’ gospel, the righteous are rewarded with eternal life. (Matthew 25:46). Jesus says: “The righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.” (Matthew 13:43). However,in Paul’s gospel: “There is none righteous, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10). Therefore, Paul says: “(Righteousness) shall be imputed to us who believe in him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead.” (Romans 4:24). The gospel of a kingdom not of this world is bad news to the rich of this world. Jesus says: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:24). But Paul’s gospel of grace is about our becoming rich in this world: “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.” (2 Corinthians 8:9). Faith with works Jesus’ gospel requires us to become God’s children by doing God’s works. Jesus says: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” (Matthew 5:44-45). “Those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.” (John 5:29). However, Paul’s gospel is about faith without works. He says: “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this not from yourselves,it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9). In Jesus’ gospel, we determine our salvation. His cardinal kingdom principle makes salvation entirely our responsibility. Jesus warns: “Whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.” (Matthew 16:25). He says elsewhere: “With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you.” (Mark 4:24). But in Paul’s gospel, salvation is God’s responsibility; we are predestined to salvation. Paul’s says: “Those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son… And those he predestined, he also called;those he called, he also justified.” (Romans 8:29-30). This clearly contradicts Jesus position that: “Many are called but few are chosen.” (Matthew 22:14). With Jesus, we carry our crosses ourselves. Jesus says: “If anyone would come after me,he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” (Mark 8:34). However, with Paul, Jesus allegedly carried our crosses for us in that we were crucified with him. Paul says: “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.” (Galatians 2:20). 1 Like |
| Education › Re: Federal University Of Technology Akure(futa) 2014/2015 Admission Session by lanrexlan(m): 10:05am On Sep 25, 2014 |
FagsamPHP: I was told yesterday by a lecturer in Bio dept that "we will resume come January" It's kinda too long jare..Not January o,better be packing ya load you guys are resuming in November. |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by lanrexlan(m): 6:20am On Sep 25, 2014 |
Shaykh Abd ar-Rahman as-Sa’di: “Laziness against the Salah is a sign that the heart does not long after Allah.” (Taysir ul Karim p. 211) Five Levels of Prayer Ibn al-Qayyim (ﻪﻠﻟﺎﻤﺣﺭ) said: And mankind, with regard to their performance of prayer are in five levels: The First: The level of the one who is negligent and wrongs his soul: He is the one who falls short in performing wudoo properly, performing the prayer upon its time and within its specified limits, and infulfilling its essential pillars. The Second: The one who guards his prayers upon their proper times and within their specified limits,fulfills their essential pillars and performs his wudoo with care. However, his striving (in achieving the above) is wasted due whisperings in his prayer so he is taken away by thoughts and ideas. The Third: The one who guards his prayers within the specified limits, fulfills their essential pillars and strives with himself to repel the whisperings,thoughts and ideas. He is busy struggling against his enemy (Shaytan) so that he does not steal from the prayer. On account of this he is engaged in (both) prayer and jihad. The Fourth: The one who stands for the prayer,completes and perfects its due rights, its essential pillars, performs it within its specified limits and his heart becomes engrossed in safeguarding its rights and specified limits, so that nothing is wasted from it. His whole concern is directed towards its establishment, its completion and its perfection,as it should be. His heart is immersed in the prayer and in enslavement to his Lord the Exalted. The Fifth The one who stands for the prayer like the one mentioned above. However, on top of this,he has taken and placed his heart in front of his Lord (ﻞﺟﻭ ﺰﻋ), looking towards Him with his heart with anticipation, (his heart) filled with His love and His might,as if he sees and witnesses Allah.The whisperings, thoughts and ideas have vanished and the coverings which are between him and his Lord are raised. What is between this person and others with respect to the prayer, is superior and greater than what is between the heavens and the earth. This person is busy with his Lord (ﻞﺟﻭ ﺰﻋ), delighted with Him. The First type will be punished, the second type will be held to account, the third will have his sins and shortcomings expiated, the fourth will be rewarded and the fifth will be close to his Lord, because he will receive the portion of the one who makes his prayer the delight and pleasure of his eye. Whoever makes his prayer,the delight and pleasure of his eye,will have the nearness to his Lord (ﻞﺟﻭ ﺰﻋ) made the delight and pleasure of his eye in the hereafter. He will also be made a pleasure to the eye in this world since whoever makes Allah the pleasure of his eye in this world, every other eye will become delighted and pleased with him. So,what level are you? Source: Excerpted from Ibn al-Qayyim’s book:Al-Waabil as-Sayyib min al-Kalim at-Tayyib 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by lanrexlan(m): 7:46am On Sep 23, 2014 |
MessiRonaldo007: Nobody is interested in my views?Following all your posts? Tufiaka,both threads were threads I commented on so I would see your posts.  @underlined,congratulations mister add that to your list of achievements 3 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by lanrexlan(m): 7:28am On Sep 23, 2014 |
AbdH: ^^^Another one.....don't you get tired? ,that's his job in his 'online organization'.He's very skillful in that aspect,he's got a talent there. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by lanrexlan(m): 7:27am On Sep 23, 2014 |
MessiRonaldo007: See them.Mr Logicboy again moniker number 16.Brother Vedaxcool was right though,consultant in circumvening bans and opening many monikers.Yorubas will say 'Bi ebiti o ba pa eku,a si fi eyin fun eleyin' roughly translated to ''If a trap doesn't catch a mouse,then it will at least return the food in it to the owner''. Your atheistic evangelism doesn't yield any positive result even using 16 monikers,why don't you quit and stop Trolling? Seriously,nobody is interested in your views/posts except your close friend usermane. 4 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by lanrexlan(m): 12:08pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Empiree: @ Logic007, how about you keep to ourself?. How about you mind your business and leave religious section alone? Why are you trying to act as if you are the custodian of Christianity-christians and Islam-muslims?. Why does it pain you so much. Leave religious section alone and stick to your atheist section, if any. We are already warned that if we are to follow most of mankind we woould have gone astray.We have our source of guidance (Quran) but you have none. So pease leave religious section alone. The fact that you keep coming here show how frustrated you are.Don't mind mister 'consultant'.Bro Rilwayne001 I don site moniker number 15 ooo 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Qur'an A Linguistic Miracle Or Problem? by lanrexlan(m): 11:50pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Sale Rodwell, Palmer, and sarwar contradict the rest.They are translations and translations depend on the understanding of the language.So far,you can't show us where the arabic text contradicts,then you can't be taken seriously. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Qur'an A Linguistic Miracle Or Problem? by lanrexlan(m): 11:33pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Emusan: Back to Allah swear.As beautifully put your explanation is,it applied to humans as you rightly opined.As I explained to you the other time that the same word can be used for humans and Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala but doesn't basically mean the same thing. Worship of other than Allah is prohibited,swearing an oath on other than Allah bears the same ruling. Due to the common thread between the two,the Prophet(pbuh) unified associating partners to Allah and swearing a false oath in a single sentence. Imam Bukhari reports on the authority of Abdullah ibn Amr’ that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Major sins include associating partners to Allah,disobeying ones parents and the swearing of false oaths.” The oath by Allah is only for emphasis,attention and approval.Oath brings emphasis to the matter but oath itself is not the point of emphasis. For example when Allah says in the Qur’an says By the time Indeed, mankind is in loss. Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience The emphasis is on the loss of mankind and the ways to counter that loss instead of “the time”. Furthermore,in the Qur’an after oaths are made evidences are presented and signs are mentioned. The Qu'ran again says:By the dawn.And (by) ten nights.And (by) the even (number) and the odd.And (by) the night when it passes.Is there (not) in (all) that an oath (sufficient) for one of perception?[Surah Al-Fajr 89:1-5] The questions that need a thoughtful respond are;Yes,The starting of a sentence with an oath attracts the attention of the listenerThe listener becomes attentive that something important is going to be mentioned. 2) If God can actually swear,what does it need to swear with?Anything of his creatures he feels,to Him belongs His Dominion. 3) Can God swear with what He Himself created?Why not? Allah is summoning these creations to witness what is about to be said.The sole purpose is to show mankind the submission and humbleness of these creations far greater than them,so what stops them from submitting? These creations readily stand witness and accept the words of Allah.(Kashful Baari 2/515) Abul Qasim said,“The taking of oath on any entity is primarily due to two reasons:either its virtue or its benefit.” For example,Allah takes an oath upon Mount Sinai,this is solely dues its virtue and merit. Whereas the oath on the fig and olive is principally due to the immense benefit it extends.Brother Tbaba1234 did a very good job in explaining the Tafsir of Surah At-Tin which contains oaths here. www.nairaland.com/972776/amazing-quran-season-1 4) Is it reasonable for God to be swearing by inanimate objects that can't hold Him account for His action?According to Imam Ibn al-Qayyim,oaths taken by Allah have only one base and that is the ‘attributes of Allah’. When Allah takes the oath of ‘the star when it descends’ or of ‘Al-Tariq (the Knocker)’ or any other creation of His,the base behind them is the greatness of Allah. Therefore it is evident that when Allah takes an oath of something,He does so of His own greatness and not of the created thing. Similarly,when Allah takes an oath of the sun or the moon,for example He mentions them as His signs in the Qur’an: Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding[Qur’an 3:190]. By the sun and its brightness.And [by] the moon when it follows it[Qur’an 91:1-2] . … He wrapped the night over the day that follows it quickly.The sun, the moon and the stars have all been tamed by His command… [Qur’an 7:54]. Allah mentions some of His created things as evidence of His existence and of monotheism and asks the readers of the Qur’an to ponder over these signs from Him. Then, when Allah takes an oath of these created things, He is simply taking an oath of Himself,His qualities, and His greatness. These signs of Allah confirm the Oneness of Allah as Allah states in the Qur’an in [color=#000099]Surah Al-Anbiyaa 21:22-- Had there been within the heavens and earth gods besides Allah, they both would have been ruined. So exalted is Allah, Lord of the Throne, above what they describe. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Qur'an A Linguistic Miracle Or Problem? by lanrexlan(m): 11:29pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Emusan: That's is ignorant because pronoun shift remains grammatical error forever and I believe you know this but you only accept it just because it appeared in Quran.To you,your belief about me is wrong.I don't regard it as an error,it's you and your mentors that do. Now copying Sam is a problem, no wonder Muslims want his life terminated the way they are after Ali Sina's life.Pure lies,your mentors are running away from an open debate.All what they can do is to type their rubbish online.Ali Sina wants 'an online debate' with Dr. Zakir Naik,Imagine that, afraid of defeat,he knew he can easily manipulate his ways online,which is impossible in open debate because reasonable audience are present.There are just crooks who just post garbage online for peers like you.They are living ghosts. Nothing like rhetorical devices in Arabic language. Rhetorical devices is a method well known generally but the Arabians can only deceive people like you that Arabic has its own rhetorical devices.Shut it for once brother,one thing I hate is when people try to claim knowledge on a particular topic whereas they have no knowledge in that topic.What did you about Balagha in arabic? Stop displaying your ignorance,you have no knowledge whatsoever about arabic as a language. You're attacking a straw man here!Thanks for saying that. Lazarus come out alive after four days in dead, Jesus resurrected after the third day.Both were dead before being brought back to life,Jonah(pbuh) was alive in the belly of whale for 3days and 3nights.It's survival and not revival as the cases you mentioned. That's why you confused miracle with ordinary communication and people like you can swallow this obvious grammatical error as a miracle.To you it's ordinary communication and grammatical error.But to muslims,there's nothing confusing about it. Remember in every MIRACLE ever performed by God through human,no human knowledge can comprehend or give full detail of it because the day man can be able to give detail analysis of MRACLE it's no more a MIRACLE simply because MIRACLE is a wonderful event occurring in the PHYSICAL world attributed to SUPERNATURAL powers...which means NO human knowledge can explain it...BUT what we see Arabians doing today is that they tell us that Quran is a miracle given to Muhammad and they go ahead to explain how this MIRACLE performed by Allah can be fully understood.It's a miracle because the arabs till now failed to produce a recitation like the Qu'ran.During the time of the Prophet(pbuh),the Arabs were at their peak of their literature and yet never met the challenge of the Qu'ran which was to produce a single verse like that of the Qu'ran.Your christian brothers few years back produce some junks in English which was no way near the Qu'ran.That makes it a miracle since nobody till now can produce a recitation like it. @first Bold-You can see the point I'm emphasising on as well details @underline statement. This people only try to coverI think it will be good to use your brain,I never throw insults on personalities whom you held in high esteem.If you can't show respect regarding Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala,then I have no choice than to unfollow your thread.Will soon unfollow. @second Bold-'No one seems...' Which means people are doing it BUT it might not up to the way Quran used it. Then what make it a MIRACLE? Since people are doing it without supernatural powers.You keep contradicting yourself.You said grammatical shift is pure grammatical error and at the same time people are doing what you claimed to be error though it may not the way Qu'ran uses it. I don't know where I said people are doing it,what I simply said was that No one seems to quote references to support Itlifat except from the Qu'ran,not even a single reference from Hadith.That's to say,only the Qu'ran serves as a reference book for Itlifat and that makes it unique.Is it hard to comprehend? At least it's only MOST that are words of men, the remaining ones that are God's words why this grammatical shift didn't appear after all Muhammad claimed that THE SAME God who gave the previous REVELATION is the one who gave his own so at least we suppose to see a little evidence of this GRAMMATICAL SHIFT in the previous revelation.What's this one saying? Is Bible Injeel or Taurah? I don't have time for flogging dead horse anymore. If the word 'ANOTHER' in my post confused you at least the word 'TRINITY' supposed to correct you. can TRINITY refer to four persons?Asking me? Ask yourself. Another excuse; the point is who did Allah refer to when Allah shift to third person is what is in question here?Himself,Exalted and Glorified.The shift signifies two things:the principle of tawhīd(Oneness of Allah) and the multiplicity of viewpoints observed in Arabic.Here is an example in which Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala is being referred to as Allāh or rabb,a shift from first person(We) to third person and this emphasizes on tawhīd and shows multiplicity of viewpoints.The Qu'ran says Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you and render thanks to Allāh if it is He whom you worship'(2:172)So it signifies that only Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala provides the different types of good things for mankind,he's the provider which has the power of providing for his slaves.Then continue to say 'Give thanks to Allah',which signifies that all forms of praises and adorations should directed to Allah[Part of Tawhid(oneness of Allah)]. Does Bible not serve as a guidance too?Google that,don't ask me. I'll answer this separate but remember you've agreed that Allah did SWEAR.It will be good if you truly understand before copying and pasting. I do read gently but it's you who didn't. My statement was 'AS IF' check again.Your problem,If with those explanations you failed to comprehend then there's nothing I can do.I am sorry bro. The point you're missing here is that you fail to notice the vocal differences in this communication.Thrashed. I put more emphasis on this to correct the notion of people like you who always claim that the prediction of Holyspirit in the book of John can't be referring to the Holyspirit because John uses HE for the Spirit whereas John supposed to use 'It'.Stop using rubbish in explaining anything here.'It' is used for non-living,inanimate objects,animals or plants.You keep using 'it' for Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala which ought not to be so and I corrected you and you keep spewing trash saying the prediction in John used 'He' or whatever. Nobody is talking about facial contact here BUT changing in VOCAL communication when the voice sounds like an OUTSIDER speaking.To you. I'm not.You keep dodging the question,I never talked about God's voice the angel can appeared to Moses(pbuh) and Moses(pbuh) can hear God's voice it's possible(cos it's a voice),but the angel of the Lord appeared to Moses(pbuh) in the beginning and towards the end Moses(pbuh) was afraid to look at God's face,Is God's face and angel's face the same? That's the question. Let's see whether I keep track or you're the one who confused.Ok Who says prayer and praise are the same? Emusan: So if Allah is praising himself THAT means he is WORSHIPPING himself... But people like you can quickly attack Christianity by asked who is Jesus praying to if He is God? you can see problem with Jesus' prayer that is, it's not befitting for Christ to pray if He is actually God BUT it befits Allah to PRAISE himselfDeduce from your post yourself.You haven't heard about deductive reasoning? The funny part is that you didn't even understand what you're saying yourself.Let me explain what you don't understand to you.The same word is being used for Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala and humans but means entirely different thing.For example,Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says he sends Salat on the Prophet(pbuh) and Salat has been enjoined on humans by Allah.Does that means Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala also prays like humans pray(bowing,prostating etc) for the Prophet(pbuh)? NO,SubhanAllah!!!!!!! Allah says in Surah Al-Anam 6:12 Say:To whom belongs all that is in the heaven and the earth? Say:To Allah,He has indeed prescribed mercy for himself..................So does it means Allah will show mercy to himself? SubhanAllah!!!! It simply means Allah will show mercy to his creatures,the same way meaning that whenever Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says 'All praises be to Allah' it means Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is instructing mankind It also means that Allah is praising to unseen.You are not making any atom of sense mister. But you agree that Praise may be part of worship.Stop lying,I haven't mentioned worship before in my first post here.You initially accused me of agreeing that praise is part of worship which I never did in my first post. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Qur'an A Linguistic Miracle Or Problem? by lanrexlan(m): 1:34pm On Sep 17, 2014*. Modified: 1:50pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
Emusan: YeahTo me it's not a problem,I perfectly understand the grammatical shifts,you are the one that has a problem copying Sam Shaoun's article. Imaging you call it MIRACLE whereas rhetorical language is always straight forward.What do you know about rhetoric devices in Arabic language? I am not talking about rhetorical questions here. Then I challenge you to provide JUST ONE LITERATURE that uses this unmatchable Quran but couldn't RATHER you called it MIRACLE...SMH!Then I challenge you to give me another person that parted the red sea apart from Moses(pbuh).Then I challenge you to give me another person that survive 3days and 3nights in the belly of the fish apart from Jonah(pbuh).To each Prophet belongs his own miracle and the grand miracle given to Muhammad(pbuh) is the glorious Qu'ran and the 7th century arabians couldn't even match the fluency and grammatical composition of the Qu'ran though they were the best at literature in that time. Iltifāt(Grammatical Shift) has been called by rhetoricians shajā'at al- `arabiyya(The Audacity of Arabic) as it shows in their opinion,the daring nature of the Arabic language.If any 'daring' is to be attached to it,it should above all be the daring of the language of the Qur'ān since, for reasons that will be shown below, it employs this feature far more extensively and in more variations than does Arabic poetry. uses mainly Qur'ānic references in discussing iltifāt.No one seems to quote references in prose other than from the Qur'ān: and indeed a sampling of hadīth material found not a single instance. NOTE nothing like grammatical shifting in the Bible RATHER each statement demonstrate THE PLURALITY of YAHWEH not a being like Allah that suppose to exist in SINGULARITY but always shift in Its statement.Why would there be grammatical shifts in the bible when most of the words of the bible are words of men? This is where your problem lies, Angel of the Lord that appeared here is another being within the TRINITY of YAHWEH you can do more research about this.So there are now four in one.The Father,The Son,The Holyspirit and The Angel.That's beautiful!!!!. It's even good as you quote this verse from Bible now let's compare this verse with Quran to see the difference.The Qur'ān, it should be remembered,is not an autobiography of Allāh which thus has to be cast wholly in the form of 'I' and 'me';it serves as guidance for men and teaches them about stories of people that have passed in order to gain admonition from it.Let me give you another example.The Qu'ran says in Surah Al-Qiyamah 75:2 -No! I swear by the reproachful soul! What,does man reckon We shall not gather his bones? Yes indeed;We are able to shape again his fingers The verse started with I swear(Singular) then shifts to We are able to shape again his fingers(Plural).So why this sudden change? It is the singular that is fitting for 'I swear';the sudden shift to the plural expresses,as it were, multiplicity of power in answer to the pre-Islamic Arabs' incredulity at the idea of putting scattered bones together again at the resurrection. The sudden shift recharges the concept of plural as a grammatical form with its full sense of majesty. The Qur'ān uses the singular pronoun for God particularly in such contexts(like swear) as those expressing worship (O my slaves),prohibition of shirk and wrath;the use of the singular is clearly important in such contexts and when there is a sudden shift to the plural of majesty it sharpens the listener's sense of the contrast between the two grammatical forms,investing 'we' when it comes after 'I' with enhanced meaning. If you pay close attention to this conversation very well you can see the obvious grammatical shift;You are the one having a problem.Moses(pbuh) was called by a voice from inside the burning flame,not a voice outside as you keep lamenting.Read gently Surah An-Naml 27:7 -But when he came to it(the fire),he was called:"Blessed is whosoever is in the fire and whosoever is round about it! And glorified be Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind,jinns and all that exists).So your point is that the being that talked to Moses(pbuh)[i.e Allah(swt)]must be outside for burning flame? Must the two persons(addressee and addresser) have a face to face contact before they can communicate? Can't voice be heard without seeing the person? Moses(pbuh) was called by Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala from inside the burning flame(It's a voice for goodness sake),it's not necessary for Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala to be the outside the flame before communication can take place. 1) The translator inserted quotation mark to make it sure that the SPEAKER is referring to another person which SUPPOSED to be AllahI will ignore you if you can't show some respect,stop using 'itself' and use your brain.Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is A LIVING BEING.'Itself' is used for inanimate objects.You are the only one seeing someone outside the fire apart from Moses(pbuh).Moses(pbuh) was called by a voice inside the burning flame.Is it a must the two beings communicating must be together? Can't there be communication without facial contacts? Use your brain please. 3) At the end we can see that the voice of an outsider PRAISING the one inside the FIRE finally identifyYou are the one encountering the problem. But in case of that Genesis you quoted The Angel of the Lord simply IDENTIFY Himself as YAHWEH not shifting from one person to another AND NOTHING like PRAISESNowhere does the angel identify himself as God.The angel didn't say 'I am Yahweh',you are the one cooking that up.The verse says 'the angel appeared to Moses within the bush and afterwards what we heard was God's voice.You didn't answer the question. I am sir.You aren't. Whereas the He you used was only using for a PERSON,is Allah a PERSON? I will.Please,what type of thinking is this? Even 'she' is for countries,people will say 'Nigeria celebrated her 53rd independence'. Is Nigeria a female? Why using 'her' for Nigeria then? Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala has no gender and we can't use 'it' for Allah because Allah is a living being.The only pronoun we can use is 'he' since 'he' is closer but that doesn't signify Allah is a male. Heehee...so it's befitting for a CREATOR to be PRAISING HIMSELF? SMHOne reason I don't like engaging you in a dialogue.You never keep track of what you write,praise and worship aren't the same.Praise may be part of worship but they are never the same.Praise and prayer are never the same. In Arabic there are many words that can be used for praise such as Hamd,Madh and Shukr.Hamd is a type of praise due to the qualities that the one being praised,possesses. Shukr on the other hand means gratitude – giving thanks or showing thanks.You thank a person for the good they have and shown towards you. We can have: 1)Shukr by heart; the internal recognition that that blessing is from Allah and knowing that it has been given by the grace of Allah and not by the servants own merit. 2) Shukr by the tongue;praising the Bestower of blessings,Allah. 3) Shukr by the limbs;by using that blessing in a way that is pleasing to the one that has bestowed you with that good. So when Allah says 'All praises be to Allah' it's Hamd,a praise for perfection and qualities which none can possesses except Allah.It's not showing appreciation or gratitude(Shukr),get that straight into your head. 'Jesus' was praying to the unseen,not praising.Was Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala praying for himself? SubhanAllah!!!! Stop the conjectures Emusan. Of course you're right BUT only if you know that it's not befitting A Unitarian CREATOR to be WORSHIPPING himself.You are the one that have grammatical problems.Read post and digest before launching. You agree that Allah is worshipping himself and it's good for a Unitarian creator to do so...that's good of you and your religion.Why are you fond of telling lies? I never mentioned worship in my post,you did and you also concluded I agreed which is false.You brought forth your argument whether praise and worship connotes the same thing,I never mentioned anything yet and you jumped into conclusion accusing me that I agreed without even saying a word.This is not the first time of you doing that,that's very bad of you. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 10:10pm On Sep 13, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: Woww! thats great.Check this thread. www.nairaland.com/1582452/thread-twins-share-pics 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 9:55pm On Sep 13, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: Has he gotten kinkingz the little tintingz?'Kinkingz' is brother tintingz twin brother.The brother is a twin and they are very very much identical. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Qur'an A Linguistic Miracle Or Problem? by lanrexlan(m): 9:40pm On Sep 13, 2014 |
Emusan: Longest time Brother Lanrexlan!Long time indeed. Another way of explaining away this gross problem in Quran, rhetoric deviceTo you and your mentors with a closed heart,it's a problem. Please give us another literature where rhetoric device of GRAMMATICAL SHIFTS was using like Quran.That's a miracle about the glorious Qu'ran which the 7th century arabians couldn't even match.I gave you a typical example of such shift with a well detailed and explained example. Mind explaining this to me? Exodus 3:2-3 -There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, "I will go over and see this strange sight--why the bush does not burn up." When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look,God called to him from within the bush "Moses! Moses!" And Moses said, "Here I am."................. this,Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God In the beginning of the verse,the angel of God appeared to Moses then towards the end Moses was afraid to look at God.Is God's face and angel's face the same? Did you read the OP where Allah suppose to be narrating Moses' encounter with Itself but Allah started praising Itself, is that rhetoric statement again?Try and be a gentleman Emusan.Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is a living being He's Al-Hayyu the ever living and the pronoun you should use is not 'itself'.'Itself' is used for inanimate things.Try to show some courtesy. To your question,I don't think it's your problem if Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala praises himself.He's the most High,worthy of all praises. To Him belong all praises.Allah praises Himself to remind His creatures that all praise belongs to Him alone. It is not permissible for a human being to praise themselves like this.Allah says --So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allah and keep his duty to Him. (Surah Najm 53:32) Self-praise is despised among humans because they have many more defects and deficiencies than points of praise.Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is pure,the Holy one worthy of All praises. So Allah praises himself to remind his creatures that they are weak and solely dependent of Him. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 9:11pm On Sep 13, 2014 |
tintingz: Oga, where have you been?Ha,my dearest brother tintingz.I have been busy with my academics.How're you doing dear brother and how's kinkingz too  ? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 3:38pm On Sep 13, 2014 |
RayMcBlue: What's your point??A question to what you said. RayMcblue: The reason is because God is imaginary. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 3:36pm On Sep 13, 2014 |
malvisguy212: unlike you guys who will go at any lent to deny boko haram and others muslim terrorist, even though the bible never teaches us to kill and force people to convert,WE WILL NOT DENY THEM, WE WILL CONDEMN THE ACT AND PRAY THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE FOR EVERYONE.Ignorantee.You won't deny them na because they are simply following the biblical God.He killed for no reason,a man of war. Our foundation in christianity is jesus christ, and jesus never fought war, just incas someone quote me and say paul is the founder of christianity, paul never fought war or kill. But muhammad fought war and own's slave.Swords are edible according to christians!!! Jesus told his disciples to sell their garments and buy swords.The bible says there are many things Jesus did and no space to write them down in the bible(John 21:25),fighting is one those things. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: So Did You Hear About This Christian Terrorist? by lanrexlan(m): 3:22pm On Sep 13, 2014 |
RayMcBlue: Like I always say, religion is harmful, not helpful. The reason is because God is imaginary. Religious delusion is hurting all of us.Surah At-Tur 52:35-36 -Were they created by nothing,or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay,but they have no firm Belief. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Qur'an A Linguistic Miracle Or Problem? by lanrexlan(m): 8:11am On Sep 13, 2014 |
Emusan: Please kindly do me this favour before we proceed.The Qur’anic linguistic feature is the effective rhetorical device known as iltifāt or grammatical shifts. This literary device enhances the texts literary expression and it is an accepted, well researched part of Arabic rhetoric. One can find references in the books of Arabic rhetoric by al-Athir, Suyuti and Zarkashi. These grammatical shifts include: changes in person, change in number, change in addressee, change in tense, change in case marker, using a noun in place of a pronoun and many other changes. The main functions of these shifts include the changing of emphasis, to alert the reader to a particular matter, and to enhance the style of the text.Its effects include creating variation and difference in a text, to generate rhythm and flow, and to maintain the listener’s attention in a dramatic way. Chapter al-Kawthar provides another good example of the use of grammatical shifts, “Verily, We have granted you The Abundance. Therefore turn in prayer to your Lord and sacrifice. For he who hates you, he will be cut off.” In this chapter, there is a change from the first person plural “We” to the second person “…your Lord”. This change is not an abrupt shift; it is calculated and highlights the intimate relationship between God and the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ. The use of “We” is used to emphasize the Majesty, Power and Ability of God. This choice of personal pronoun calls attention to, and stresses the fact, that God has the Power and Ability to grant Muhammad“…The Abundance”. Whereas “Your Lord” has been used to indicate and emphasise intimacy, closeness and love. The word “Your Lord” has a range of meanings that imply master, provider, and the One that cares. This is an apt use of language, as the surrounding concepts are about prayer, sacrifice and worship; “Therefore turn inprayer to your Lord and sacrifice“. Furthermore, the purpose of this chapter is also to console Prophet Muhammad,as using such intimate language enhances the psycholinguistic effect. www.nairaland.com/1898514/qurans-miracle-non-arabic-speakers#26258407 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: The Qur’ān’s Miracle For Non-arabic Speakers by lanrexlan(m): 8:04am On Sep 13, 2014 |
sino: This is a full package, a brilliant piece, and extremely educative. It buttress the fact that the Qur'an is the miracle of miracles. May Allah bless bro Hamza Tzortsiz abundantly ameenWow! Read it to the end,a very brilliant and beautiful piece for anyone who seek to know without any prejudice in his/her mind.The Prophet(pbuh) said "Every Prophet was given Miracles because of which people believed, but what I have been given,is Divine Inspiration which Allah has revealed to me.So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of the other Prophets on the Day of Resurrection."[Sahih Al-Bukhari Book 61,Hadith 504] Jazakumullah Khairan Tbaba 5 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by lanrexlan(m): 7:13am On Sep 13, 2014 |
vedaxcool: LolHahahahahahahahaha,brother Vedaxcool no go kill person with with laugh o. Typical examples are these pictures. 3 Likes
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| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by lanrexlan(m): 8:57pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
logicboy01: Ignorance about consulting work (small-medium company level).Without a break,whenever you got banned you should serve your ban but you won't,so eager to return to your criticism and went on to open more than 11 different accounts.Consultants aren't so idle as that. 4 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by lanrexlan(m): 8:51pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
logicboy01:Fear of ban?Seriously,I am not afraid. LOL,best schools in Lagos? Is Lagos equivalent to the south? You've failed woefully mister,there schools in Ogun state and other states better than those that you mentioned.Who rate them? You? Seriously,you have no point. 4 Likes |
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