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truthman2012: With all the hadiths you read in this thread? Your claim is not the same as your practice in islam.

At least,we have defended Islam and prove to you that Islam is against Idol worship and idol worship isn't incorporated into Islam,it's not a must you accept.You should do the same by analysing all what brother tintingz wrote up there......Peace

blenble: You have only shown us ur lies and fabrications!
You r d one to decide bcus u r d one bowing down to idols and stones and den relating it to God!
Jesus has nothing to do with d kabba and ur stone;He didnt even talk abt it!!
I already knw where i am going,u r d one that will go to hell first before ur allah will decide on ur fate...Jesus already told us christains and those that believe in Him where we are going=it is ur mohammed that dnt knw where he is going!
So guy,ur prophet didnt v anoda chance,but u still have!

You are just shooting your legs in the air,are all those posts fabrication and lies? After all the backings with biblical verses.Don't be surprised if Jesus(pbuh) denied you on the day of Judgement.....Peace

Eeja Nla01: Heard any good act done with the aim of seeking for Allah's pleasure and neglecting d way d prophet did it has no full reward? How true?

Sure bro,Allah said in many places in the glorious Quran that obey Allah and obey the messenger.So For a good deed to be accepted,it must be totally For Allah's sake and in accordance to the sunnah of the last and final messenger prophet muhammed(pbuh).It's very important to hold tight to the Quran and prophet's sunnahs and shun new innovations.....Peace

NL member: However, there are still a few things I wanted to tell you. The reason why I asked if allah hates us is because he has deliberately made it difficult for us to go into paradise and made it easy for us to go into hell. After making it easy for us to go into hell,he creates shaytan knowing fully well that shaytan will make it even more difficult to attain paradise.

.As Allah said in Surah Al-Mulk 67;2 that he has created life and death in order to test who's better in deeds.It's not easy to attain paradise nor it's easy to attain hell.Allah said in the glorious Quran in
Surah Al-Ghashiyah 88;2-3-''Some faces that Day will be humiliated.Labouring(hard in the worldly life worshipping others besides Allah)weary(in the hereafter with humility and disgrace).

Surah Al-Kahf 18;103-105-''Say[O Muhammed(pbuh)];Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of their deeds?
Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds.
They are those who deny the Ayat(proofs,lessons,revelations,signs etc) of their Lord and the meeting with Him.So their works are in vain and on the day of Resurrection,We shall assign no weight for them''.
So both the believers and disbelievers will work in order to attain paradise and hell.An idol worshipper is also labouring in worshipping his idols and others they worshipped besides the true God,the creator of heavens and earth and all what's between.A person that follows his own vain lusts and desires is also labouring in this world,to attend night parties and clubs,worshipping celebrities is also a form of labour.But a believer who believe in the oneness of Allah and other articles of faith,work righteousness and fight against his vain desires also labour in this world to attain something in hereafter.Everyone is working according to his own ways.

This is the hadith talking about how allah made it hard for humans to enter paradise
Hadith no: 25
Narrated / Authority of: Abu Huraira
that Allah's Messenger (PBUH) said: When Allah created Paradise, He ordered Jibrae1: Go and see it. So he went and saw it. Then he returned and said: 0 Lord, By Your glory! who hears of it would love entering it. Then He (allah) encompassed it with unpleasant things and said: 0 Jibrael! Go (again) and see it. So he went away to look at it. Then he came back and said: 0 Lord, By Your glory! I fear that no one will enter it. The Prophet (SAW) said: When Allah created Hell, He said: 0 Jibrael, go and see it. So he went and saw it. Then he turned up and said: 0 Lord, By Your glory! No one who hears of it will enter it. So He (Allah)encompassed it with lusts (worldy desires) and said: o Jibrael! Go back and see it. He went again to see it and came back saying: 0 Lord, By Your glory! I fear that no one will escape from entering it

Why did allah do this? It makes it look like he doesn't want people to go into paradise.

Firstly,the arabic word used in the hadith where you wrote Unpleasant is Makrooh which means something that's disliked.If we analyse,it's not easy to perform good deeds totally for the sake of the creator unless Allah makes it easy.For example,in the morning when it's time for Fajr solat and it is raining,the body won't want to wake up because the person will be enjoying the sleep,the person will feel like to continue sleeping,to please himself following his own desires and thereby not offering the prayer if he continues in his sleep.But because Allah has promised those that believe and work righteousness a great reward,the person will fight against his desires,to wake up from sleep and offer Fajr solat thereby pleasing Allah and displeasing himself by not continue sleeping.
Another example is performing Hajj,the cost and expenses of Hajj these days is high.Imagine if a person has saved up 500k for example in order to perform the holy pilgrimage and doesn't own a car.His own soul will be telling him to buy the car,join the elite that owns a car and forget about the Hajj,everybody wants to own a car,everyone wants good things.But the person wants to please Allah by going for the pilgrimage,then he fights against his own desires to please Allah,displeasing himself by not buying the car and pleasing Allah by going for pilgrimage.
So,attaining paradise is fighting against one's vain desires in order to please Allah,having patience against any evil that befall someone,self restraint,to believe in all articles of faith,obey Allah and work righteousness and Allah knows best.....Peace

maclatunji: ^Very nice write-up, May Allah reward you got it.

There is a paragraph in your second post where you used the word 'de-synthesized', I am sure you meant 'desensitised'.

Thanks for the observation bro

NL member: Thanks for the reply lanre, your civil and peaceful manner in answering my questions is very impressive, you must be a true epitome of a peaceful muslim

You are always welcome bro and thanks for taking your time in asking the questions....Peace

NL member: Okay if I am getting you right, allah created shaytan and then gave him permission to lead humans to hell?

Humans that decided to follow shaitan.Shaitan only whispers suggestions,it's up to man to accept or ignore it.He can't force people to do things and Shaitan can only mislead the ones that took him as their protector and helper instead of Allah.

Does allah not love us? Why would he create us to like sin and then create shaytan to tempt us as well?
Very strange. . . .

Allah loves us and that's why he keeps sending messengers from time to time with guidance from Him.Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah Nahl 16;36 that in every ages he has sent a message to humans instructing them to worship Him alone and shun shaitan deceptions.The messengers are bearer of glad tidings and a warner,telling humans to worship and submit their will to Allah and follow not the footsteps of shaitan.Guidance keeps coming and the glorious Quran is the last revelation of Allah to humanity.Allah said in many places in the Quran that shaitan is an open enemy,so humans should treat him as an enemy and not follow his footsteps,but some people are going against Allah's command and took shaitan as their protector and helper besides Allah.So it's a choice,Allah has sent guidance and instructions to his slaves,it's up to you to decide your choice,to decide your fate.Follow the guidance of Allah and obey Him totally or take shaitan as your protector and he should mislead you,it's a choice.....Peace

tbaba1234: After watching Nigeria's match with spain. I left with far more positives than negatives. I have never seen a team that gave this Spanish team as much trouble as Nigeria did. I think Nigeria showed the world the blueprint on how to beat spain.

They were very impressive but the goals aren't coming.Our strikers aren't that good enough,so wasteful.

A team with better organization defensively and a half decent striker would have won or drawn.

Now, we should not forget that key players in the AFCON success were missing. Moses, Emenike and onazi were vital to the AFCON success.

Sure,we really missed those guys especially Moses and Emenike.

Assuming we get those players back for the world cup (if we qualify), these are the important changes, I feel have to be made.

1. Ujah, Akpala and gambo are not good enough. Ideye is a good player but he is too wasteful. If he plays, he should not be depended on for goals. Get the uche brothers and emenike back. Osaze?? I am not convinced.

Ideye is too wasteful,still wondering on how he got 17 goals for his club Dynamo Kiev last season.

2. Mikel obi's natural role is an offensive role. Keshi has found a way to use him. He was awesome. Onazi and Mikel midfield would be incredible. Sone Aluko should be looked at, good at set pieces and very direct. Can't wait to see him in the premier league. Igiebor should be back too.

Mikel trying to adapt to the offensive role he was playing before Mourinho turned him into a defensive mid-fielder.He is fabulous

3. Ahmed musa should be an impact sub. Great ability but I am still trying to understand why he can't put it together.

His feet are faster than his thinking,Always running with the ball with unsuccessful crosses many atimes.

4. It seems there is no one pushing ambrose for the right back slot, the same goes for uwa. Ambrose does not keep the shape, I kept wondering what he was doing so far forward for the forlan's goal. Uwa has improved so much.

5 . Oboabana and omeruo are first choice but we should have had Yobo on the bench today. We could not keep our lines. Yobo would have organised the defense better. With exposure, Oboabana would be sn awesome player. He should go to a club where he would play.

Yobo is old jare.He can't run very well again,both omeruo and oboabona tried,they just need to organize the defence.

6. Ogude keeps things simple, good player but he needs to cut out the fouls.

He is somehow aggressive but he's good.

NL member: @lanre and other parties answering the questions:

Why did Allah create shaytan if he knew that shaytan was going to send many humans to hell fire?

When Allah created Prophet Adam
(peace be upon him), He commanded those in Heaven to
prostrate before Adam,but Satan refused out of pride and
arrogance, saying, “I am better than him [Adam],You
created me from fire,and created him from clay.”[Surah Al-Araf
7:12].
Allah cursed Satan and banished him from Heaven.Satan requested an opportunity to mislead mankind and Allah granted this request.“[Satan] said,‘Because You have put me in error,I will surely sit in wait for them [mankind]on Your straight path.Then I will come to them from before them and from behind them and on their right and on their left, and You will not find most of them grateful [to You].[Surah Al-Araf 7:16-17].
Allah said in Surah Al-Mulk 67;2 that this world is a test for the hereafter,everyone has a choice to choose between right and wrong.Satan only whispers suggestions,it's up to the person to accept or decline and Allah knows best .....Peace

truthman2012: I don't see frosbel as representing the Christians. He could be a muslim in disguise. All his posts are against Christian doctrines. It could be a trick if he surrendered to lagosshia.

You won't like frosbel because he doesn't support the trinity and he is against all the people that said they have hell encounter.Does trinity has basis in christianity?

I have told ayenny too that he only deals with the letters of the Bible. He doesn't know the meaning. He only copies his posts from islamic websites and paste them on nairaland. Most of the time he doesn't go through his quotations.

Ayenny plays trick with his posts. If you notice, his posts are always unnecessarily long, making response to all of them very difficult, He does all the talk by his lengthy posts. He hates good points against his posts and turn aggresive. Tell him to take it easy as there is no compulsion in religion.

You that you know the bible,kindly explain all what's up there.The holy spirit should have inspire you by now.....Peace

sino: Ma shaa Allah, a very nice writing bro, good character is very essential,a lot can be achieved with good character.

Personally, i see Muslim youth lacking in most of these six Cs, especially confidence, most of us are not cofident about our person not to talk of our religion and one easy way out is to aquire knowledge, we need to learn more about our deen and make use of these knowledge we get so as to always act on the right thing in the right way.

Our father's have said it well, when they say: "iwa le esin, esin ni iwa"

You have said it all bro,some muslim brothers I know are even afraid of telling people they are muslims talkless of inviting them to Islam.They are interested in keeping friends with non muslims than learning about the Deen.The prophet(pbuh) said that seeking knowledge is incumbent on every muslim.The more knowledge you have,the more the keys you hold and the more you can unlock many things.....Peace

NL member: It isn't an issue.

I asked that question because I wanted to point out the ridiculousness of god sending me to hell for not worshipping him. God does not need my worship and it doesn't make any difference in his life whether I worship him or not so why would he torture me for all eternity for not worshipping him?

Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah Ad-Dhariyat 51;56-''I have not created Jinns and Mankind except to worship Me''.
The main purpose of life is worship,if you worship Allah,it's for your own benefits and if you refused to worship the creator of heavens and the earth and all what's between,the loss is against your own self.It's a choice as you have said Allah isn't in need of your own worship the pious that know the purpose of their creator will worship Him and even The angels who are close to Allah worship Him everyday and they are never weary of his worship.....Peace

Sects aren't allowed in Islam,but unfortunately,people have broken into sects.Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-Imran 3:103-''Hold tight to the rope of Allah and be not be divided among yourselves''.

Prophet muhammed(pbuh) never belong to any sect,he was a muslim and not a shia muslim or sunni muslim or maliki etc.So,sects aren't allowed in Islam.....Peace

6]Confidence
We have discussed the conscience, compassion,consideration,courage,control and now the last one is confidence.What do we need to have confidence in? Oftentimes, we know what is right,but we cannot see the results immediately and therefore have doubts.We need to do the right thing at all times,whether we reap the benefit or not. We need to be confident that the right thing needs to be done all the time with no exceptions.Then,if we see the results, Alhamudulilah and if we do not see the results,then it was actually to begin doing the right thing that was the most important.

In conclusion,remember your reputation is what people think about you but your character is who you really are.People can destroy or tarnish one's reputation but not character,you are the architect of your character,people can't destroy that only you can destroy your character.Remember,have a conscience along with compassion,consideration,courage,control and confidence to attain a high standard of character.....Peace

Dizney: FUTA CBT PAST QUESTIONS (2009-2011)
PHYSICS.
1. The half life of a radioactive element is 9 days, what fraction of atoms has decayed in 36 days? A)15/16, B)1/4, C)1/2, D)1/16.

1/16[D]

2. The temperature at which water vapour is pressent in the air is just sufficient to saturate it is called? A)boiling point, B)dew point, C)steam point, D)saturation point.

Dew point[B]

3. Which of the following is not a property of longitudnal waves? A)compression, B)refraction, C)reflection, D)polarization.

Polarization[D]

4. Which of the following particles has the greatest penetrating power? A)beta particles, B)gamma particles, C)alpha particles, D)neutrons.

Gamma particles[B]

5. What type of energy is stored in a loaf of bread? A)mechanical, B)heat, C)chemical, D)potential.

Chemical[C]

6. A man does 800j of work in 20 seconds, what power does he develop? A)16000w, B)760w, C)40w, D)200w.

40W[C]

7. Which of these is a vector quantity? A)work, B)energy, C)force, D)power.

Force[C]

8. A crane lifts a load of weight 200N through a height of 2m in 20 seconds. What is the power of the crane in watts? A) 200w, B)20w, C)2000w, D)400w.

20W[B]

4]Courage
Courage is about being able to stand up for what we believe in.It is about the ability to stand up for the principles and the values that we hold.An individual is a person of courage when he/she is challenged and stands up for beliefs,principles and values. It may be noticed that whenever Prophet Musa(pbuh)is mentioned in the Quran,it is always in situations involving fear.His stick turned into a serpent so he was afraid to pick it up.He was told to go to Pharaoh and was afraid.Nevertheless,Prophet Musa (pbuh)was not a coward because courage is not the absence of fear.Courage is doing what is right despite the existence of fear.

Our beloved Prophet (pbuh)was afraid,but his fear did not stop him from doing what is right.Courage is needed especially when we must challenge the social status quo. The Arabs did not allow women to inherit; it took social courage for the Prophet (pbuh)to come and address such an issue.People would say our forefathers never did this, but it took courage to speak the truth to the people in power.If we have courage, then we have what it takes to bring about a change.


5]Control
We must have a conscience,compassion, consideration,courage and also control.A person of character is a person of control.It is the ability to control our desires and anger,the ability to control and be able to abstain and hold back,that defines this characteristic.Many times,we want to express ourselves in a negative way.The Prophet(pbuh)said The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength,but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger[Bukhari].Strength is not determined by the ability to wrestle people down to the ground.A strong person is the one who is able to take hold of himself/herself when the anger is powerful.The Prophet (pbuh)said that if you are able to this,then you are a strong person.Sometimes we have rage and we want to steal or do something wrong,but then there is that conscience,that control, and that power to hold us back.This idea of control should be in charge of our desires and not the other way around.

3]Consideration
What does it mean to be considerate? It means to be deliberate and to think before you speak in regards to the following questions:How are my actions and my words going to impact others? Is my behavior going to crush their spirits? Or is it going to please them? Therefore,being considerate is the ability to think before you take action.The biography of the Prophet (pbuh)again gives us the best examples in this regard.
One day,the Prophet (pbuh)was sitting with his companions and he told them that Ikrimah (the son of Abū Jahl,the worst enemy of Islam)is coming to accept Islam. The Prophet (pbuh)cautioned his companions to not mention anything ill about his father Abū Jahl.He said that cursing those who are dead only affects those who are alive as the dead cannot hear you.In other words,he told them to be considerate of Ikrimah’s feelings.Being considerate means respecting the feelings of others.
For example,the Prophet (pbuh)said that if there are three people present,then two people should not be whispering to one another. Why? The reason for this is that this behavior would hurt the third person who is present.The Prophet (pbuh)also said that when you lead people in SOLAT,be considerate of them by shortening your prayers.The Prophet (pbuh)would be leading the prayers,and when he heard a child crying,the Prophet expedited the SOLAT in a very noticeable way.When asked after the SOLAT about why he was in such a hurry,he said,“I heard a child crying and I knew that His mother would want to attend to him.So,I wanted to finish the SOLAT as soon as possible.Are we as considerate in our masājid today? What would we do if a child started crying in the SOLAT? The parent would be told not to bring their children to the prayer.In Islam, we are urged to be sensitive and it covers all aspects of life.Do we ever reflect on the fact that sometimes we make people hate the Sunnah or the Deen because of our actions? In the name of Islam,how can we be rude? In the name of Islam,how can we yell at people,demoralize people,crush the spirits of people? A Muslim is supposed to be considerate.In every way that we do things,it displays our character.Constantly, we are displaying our character.The Prophet (pbuh)would tell his companions to avoid eating garlic or onions before they plan on going to the Masjid.This is to make sure that our presence brings joy to others. Be considerate.Have a conscience.Be compassionate.

Let's now analyse the six 6C's

1]Conscience
The first one is Conscience.The conscience is the innermost moral compass that Allah (swt)has given us.It is by this internal moral compass that we(sometimes)are able to distinguish right from wrong.The Prophet (pbuh)has explained this beautifully.In one hadith,we are informed that the prophet(pbuh) said[b]Righteousness is about having good character[/b].He(pbuh)then said, “As for sin, it is that which pricks into your heart and you do not want it to be exposed to people.Many times when our inner voice tries to stop us from committing sin,we ignore it. The next time it tries to do this,we are unable to hear it.It then comes to a point that we become de-synthesized and unaware of our inner voices.If we have courage,then we have what it takes to bring about a change.The Prophet(pbuh) said,A believer is not the one who eats his fill when his neighbor is hungry” [Bukhari]
The person who knows that his/her neighbor is going to bed with an empty belly and does not take action has a dead conscience.The Prophet (pbuh)would say that this person cannot really claim to be of the community of the believers.It is incumbent on us to listen to our conscience.When we cannot sleep at night because something is bothering our conscience, then at times like this,we must be our own policemen.Many times,we can be technically right but ethically wrong.If we have a living conscience,sin can be defined as something that pricks into the heart and what we would not want to expose to others.Usually,we try to hide things that we are ashamed of,so the Prophet(pbuh) said that the moment we feel this way,we must listen to our conscience.


2]Compassion
The second component of having good character is compassion.This is our ability to feel for others and with others.Today, the poverty and starvation we see in the world is not due to the lack of resources.At no time in the history of mankind was the food production as abundant as it is now.It is not that the earth cannot cater to our needs,but the earth cannot cater to our greed.There are a lot of resources,but there is not enough compassion.The three richest people in the world have more money than the 48 poorest countries in the world combined.Those who are compassionate in this world,Allah(swt)will be compassionate towards them in the hereafter.It is easy to be compassionate to those who deserve compassion,like those who are sick,poor, or needy.However,real compassion occurs when it is least expected.

Once,Ibn Umar(ra)went to the market and someone picked his pocket.When people in the market realized that his money was stolen,they started to make dua to destroy the person that robbed Ibn Umar(ra).At this moment,Ibn Umar (ra)raised his hands and said,O Allah,if this person took it because he was in need,O Allah,bless this money for him.O Allah,if he is a professional thief,O Allah,then make this one the last of his sins.
Now,that is compassion!Another example of real compassion is the moment of the conquest of Makkah.After all of the evil things that the people of Makkah did to the Prophet(pbuh)and despite him having the power now,he chose to let everyone go free.Indeed,he was the most compassionate human being.Having good character also means that you are able to feel for others. When the Prophet’s (pbuh)son died and he was crying,he said, “It is the mercy that Allah places in the heart of the believers.” We are also reminded of the incident when the Prophet (pbuh)was kissing his young grandchildren,Hassan and Hussayn,a bedouin said with arrogance,“I have ten children and I have not kissed a single one of them.” The Prophet (pbuh)said,“What can I do to you if mercy has been snatched away from your heart?” Muslims are to follow the example of the Prophet(pbuh)and be compassionate to everyone.

Islam is a set of beliefs that must manifest themselves in a set of rituals.These rituals must have an impact on the character of the individual.The character of the individual manifests itself when we deal with other people.Therefore,it is a circle that is made of six vital components that will be discussed shortly.
If one engages in excellent Ibadah(worship),but has terrible Akhlaq(manners),then the Ibadah won't make up for the deficiency in character.However,if one has excellent Akhlaq and decent Ibadah,the excellent Akhlaq may make up for the deficiency in Ibadah.

We extract this teaching from the Hadith of the Prophet(pbuh)in which he was informed about two women.One woman prayed, fasted and performed all of her extra acts of worship,but she was extremely rude to her neighbors.The Prophet(pbuh) said that if she continues in this lifestyle,then her final abode would be the hellfire.The Hadith then mentions another woman who did not pray or fast much but only fulfilled her obligations in regards to people,like being kind to her neighbors.The Prophet(pbuh)said that if she continues in this lifestyle, then her final abode in the hereafter would be Paradise.

It is not that the earth cannot cater to our needs,but the earth cannot cater to our greed.There are a lot of resources,but there is not enough compassion.To underline this teaching,the Prophet(pbuh)said,Those of you who will be closest to me on the Day of Judgment will be those who have the best Akhlaq.
These teachings do not undermine the importance of worship,but do underline the importance of good character.The Prophet (pbuh)also said ''Due to your good character,you can attain equal position with someone who is constantly praying at night and who is constantly fasting during the day.If someone has good character,he said,he will be able to reach that rank.

What is Character?
It is said that our character is made up by our words,actions and habits.Perhaps that is why the saying goes Watch your thoughts,as your thoughts become your words.Watch your words, as your words become your actions.Watch your actions, as your actions become your habits.Watch your habits,as your habits formulate your characterand your character becomes your destiny.
The Prophet(pbuh)has warned us to control our thoughts as well.One may wonder as to how thoughts can be controlled.We are not able to control what comes into our minds, but we are able to control the thoughts we dwell on.Therefore,it is essential to be careful about which thoughts we choose to dwell on.In order to control these thoughts, it is important to know what the essential components of having a good character are. The following are the six essential components,and they all start with the letter C

CAMEROONPRIDE: thanks.


What does miyetti(not sure of the spelling) mean?

I haven't heard of it,maybe if you got the correct spelling.....Peace

sino: 10 minutes for a juzu seems very fast, is it just juz 'amma? The duo of sheikh Sudaise and Shuraim finishes juzu 'amma in 41mins 37secs. The whole Qur'an recited by sheikh Ghamidi takes 24hrs, that of Sudais and Shuraim takes 20hrs to complete. This is based on their recorded recitations.

Personally, i try to finish the Qur'an in a month, while during Ramadhan, i try to finish it 3 to 4 times.

Still wondering how someone can finish a juz in 10mins? Seriously,you won't hear what he's reciting,his lips will just be moving.I go with you bro.

deSika: NA WA

will everybody on jugdement day experience your paradise. is it everybody that will go to paradise from after the judgement. if some will go to hell, are you saying they will experience paradise on judgement day then before going to hell.

by the way, wyou shoulld be the one answering your question. where will judgement day take place. in earth or in paradise. if in paradise will those ones going to hell go first to paradise for judgement before going to hell.


my friend this is what you gave as the qurans explanation for not taking wine
because they are of satans handiwork

now check out Lanrexlans explanation
u say because it will create enmity and forgetting of duties.

the qurans explanations or yours which one should i take.

if the quran says its satans handiwork, then what is satans handiwork doing in paradise. is satan a co tenant in your paradise. or does he have a contract of supplying his handiwork wines there. uhm


are you the one asking me this question. if someone cannot steal on judgement day, then why can someone have picture (shirk) on judgement day. guy see, i know in your mind, you would be saying, this desika boy just wants to argue his head out. but trust me, am actually giving you an opportunity to do the explanations rather than just coming here to post what i think.

if having picture is wrong, then why can it be done on judgement day. it only means that if something that is as bad as having picture is done on judgement day, then other things that are equally bad can also be done on judgement day. do you get it. if nothing can be done on judgement day, then there should be nothing done on judgement day including having picture.

now if having picture is bad, then it should not be done at all, whether on judgement day, in heaven, or on earth. what is bad is bad. nothing can stop a bad thing from being bad. in short since paradise is the perfect definition of good, and is a place where everything in it should be good, then it means that
1. no bad thing should be able to enter into it, that includes wines which have been labeled satanic before, that incudes "having picture" which have been labeled shirk (highest sin so far)

see but if such a satanic handiwork is found in your paradise, its a clear indication that your paradise is not perfect afterall. see listen. do a little reasoning thats just what am asking you to do.




now the problem is if shirk is an act of worship.
an answer to the question "is having picture a shirk or not" is now an irrelevant answer uhn. just because you dont want to admit a lie. but dont worry you have already answered it here
and here


uhm uhm, if having picture is shirk, then i see no reason why shirk should be committed on judgement day. i also see no reason why Allah himself should be appearing to people commiting shirk, except if ofcourse to him, shirk is not a sin.



so if they think Allah as a man, Allah would appear to them as a man. hahaha. they will be thinking, yet it is not permissible for you to think how Allah looks, yet you and them have not seen Allah before. is the lies not so obvious to you by now. they would be committing shirk out of eagerness to see Allah.

this is the truth, you are refusing to say.
[size=15pt] since there's no way you have a picture of Allah in your mind without giving the resemblance to one His creature and this will go against tawheed, then these set of muslims who would be having a picture yet have not seen Allah before will be giving a resemblance to one of his creatures and as such go against tawheed. [/size]

if they go against the tawheed,and yet Allah still appears to them. uhm, then Allah really loves muslims who go against the tawheed. he must love shirk too. if shirk is a sin, then Allah must also love sin.

Lanrexlan is this the Allah that you are serving. an Allah who appears to muslims who commit shirk, a sinfull act.

my friend, you are doing more damage o, so your Allah can change appearance from one shape to another. thats demonic my friend

*yawns and unfollow the thread*

cleanvessel: Paul insists Christians should not boast:“What then,can we boast about? Nothing!” (Romans 3:27).“What do you have that you did not receive?And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?” (1 Corinthians 4:7).But he then boasts repeatedly;claiming he prays more,labours more and suffers more than everybody else.(2 Corinthians 11:22-27).He says it is unwise to compare oneself with others (2 Corinthians 10:12).Then he declares that he is superior to the twelve apostles: “They say they serve Christ? I know I sound like a madman,but I have served him far more!I have worked harder.” (2 Corinthians 11:23).

Paul was not boasting. He made a statement of fact. He told them what he did and it was what anybody could do if they worked as hard as he did.

A statement of fact? He is superior to those disciples that lived and worked with Jesus? You can see how he is contradicting Jesus and you said he never boast.
Paul condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings,he condemned Jesus Himself for having long hair in 1 Corinthians 11:14,something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5.

He says:“Christ is the end of the law.”(Romans 10:4)

Yes, Christ is the end of the Law written by scribes because the law is now written in our heart by God Himself (Hebrews 8:10). It is not more on paper.

So the commandments aren't needed again?

.Paul claims his lies promote the gospel:“My dishonesty brought (God)glory by pointing up his honesty in contrast to my lies.”(Romans 3:7).

Paul never lied. If He called himself a liar, who would listen to his message? No man, especially a man of God would say is telling lies. He must have been accused of lying by the members of his former religion. He was telling them that it is better he was called a liar than making God a liar. You people (muslims) interpret the bible wrongly for lack of knowledge.

Will Paul directly call himself a liar? You will realise from his teachings that he's a liar.Let me give you a clearer translation of romans 3;7-''For if the truth of God has increased through my lies to his glory,why am I also still judged as a sinner?'' This is not misinterpretation,He said if he used lies to promote the glory of God,there's nothing wrong with it and he's not a sinner.

Paul is so unabashedly duplicitous,he admits to being guided by the shady principle of telling people whatever they want to hear:“I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.

This is one of the trainings we have as workers of Christ. We don't condemn people to save them. We use God's wisdom to let people see the reality of the gospel. Jesus went to the house of an unbeliever and ate there. People accused Him of doing so. He knew what he was doing. This is why we don't condemn you people on NL but try to let you see the truth.

Jesus Said:Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21),Paul condemned Jesus and Said:Circumcision is not necessary(Romans 2:26)that is going against what Jesus said in Luke 221.'Indeed I PAUL say to you that IF ANYONE BECOME CIRCUMCISED Christ will profit you nothing'(Gal. 5:2),too bad Paul!The circumcision was a sign of the covenant between Israel and Yahovah and you're lie was exposed for what it was!Another false "divine revelation!"

Jesus delivers sinners from Satan (Luke 4:18);but Paul delivers them to Satan.He says:“Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander,whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.”(1 Timothy 1:20).

Paul made that statement as a man because Hymenaeus must have done so much damage to the gospel. Paul was an ordinary man who is subject to anger unlike Jesus.

Jesus was an extraordinary man right?
I thought Paul should follow Jesus' teachings by forgiving and delivering sinners to God,but rather delivered them to satan.

Even in your quran, the revelations started with a curse:

Quran 109:1-5 -
1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. The power of Abu Lahab will perish and he will perish.
2. His wealth and gains will not exempt him.
3. He will be plunged in flaming fire
4. And hiis wife, the woodcarrier,
5. Will have upon her neck a halter of palm fibre.

What about that?

Do you know the reason why that verse was revealed? Afterall,we are talking about Paul here,not Abu lahab

In conclusion you don't pick words from the bible without knowing the cause or implication of the statement.. Thank you.

This is not picking words,see another Paul's lies.When Jesus confronts the Adversary,he defeats him by saying,"You shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God and Him alone will you serve[Matthew 4;4]
When Paul is mobbed by people who wish to stone him for preaching against the Law of Jesus,he relies on the worldly authorities as a Roman entitled to the protection of the government rulers who save him[Acts 22:26, 23:27].

cleanvessel: Paul insists Christians should not boast:“What then,can we boast about? Nothing!” (Romans 3:27).“What do you have that you did not receive?And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?” (1 Corinthians 4:7).But he then boasts repeatedly;claiming he prays more,labours more and suffers more than everybody else.(2 Corinthians 11:22-27).He says it is unwise to compare oneself with others (2 Corinthians 10:12).Then he declares that he is superior to the twelve apostles: “They say they serve Christ? I know I sound like a madman,but I have served him far more!I have worked harder.” (2 Corinthians 11:23).

Paul was not boasting. He made a statement of fact. He told them what he did and it was what anybody could do if they worked as hard as he did.

A statement of fact? He is superior to those disciples that lived and worked with Jesus? You can see how he is contradicting Jesus and you said he never boast.
Paul condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings,he condemned Jesus Himself for having long hair in 1 Corinthians 11:14,something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5.

He says:“Christ is the end of the law.”(Romans 10:4)

Yes, Christ is the end of the Law written by scribes because the law is now written in our heart by God Himself (Hebrews 8:10). It is not more on paper.

So the commandments aren't needed again?

.Paul claims his lies promote the gospel:“My dishonesty brought (God)glory by pointing up his honesty in contrast to my lies.”(Romans 3:7).

Paul never lied. If He called himself a liar, who would listen to his message? No man, especially a man of God would say is telling lies. He must have been accused of lying by the members of his former religion. He was telling them that it is better he was called a liar than making God a liar. You people (muslims) interpret the bible wrongly for lack of knowledge.

Will Paul directly call himself a liar? You will realise from his teachings that he's a liar.Let me give you a clearer translation of romans 3;7-''For if the truth of God has increased through my lies to his glory,why am I also still judged as a sinner?'' This is not misinterpretation,He said if he used lies to promote the glory of God,there's nothing wrong with it and he's not a sinner.

Paul is so unabashedly duplicitous,he admits to being guided by the shady principle of telling people whatever they want to hear:“I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.

This is one of the trainings we have as workers of Christ. We don't condemn people to save them. We use God's wisdom to let people see the reality of the gospel. Jesus went to the house of an unbeliever and ate there. People accused Him of doing so. He knew what he was doing. This is why we don't condemn you people on NL but try to let you see the truth.

Jesus Said:Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21),Paul condemned Jesus and Said:Circumcision is not necessary(Romans 2:26)that is going against what Jesus said in Luke 221.'Indeed I PAUL say to you that IF ANYONE BECOME CIRCUMCISED Christ will profit you nothing'(Gal. 5:2),too bad Paul!The circumcision was a sign of the covenant between Israel and Yahovah and you're lie was exposed for what it was!Another false "divine revelation!"

Jesus delivers sinners from Satan (Luke 4:18);but Paul delivers them to Satan.He says:“Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander,whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.”(1 Timothy 1:20).

Paul made that statement as a man because Hymenaeus must have done so much damage to the gospel. Paul was an ordinary man who is subject to anger unlike Jesus.

Jesus was an extraordinary man right?
I thought Paul should follow Jesus' teachings by forgiving and delivering sinners to God,but rather delivered them to satan.

Even in your quran, the revelations started with a curse:

Quran 109:1-5 -
1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. The power of Abu Lahab will perish and he will perish.
2. His wealth and gains will not exempt him.
3. He will be plunged in flaming fire
4. And hiis wife, the woodcarrier,
5. Will have upon her neck a halter of palm fibre.

What about that?

Do you know the reason why that verse was revealed? Afterall,we are talking about Paul here,not Abu lahab

In conclusion you don't pick words from the bible without knowing the cause or implication of the statement.. Thank you.

This is not picking words,see another Paul's lies.When Jesus confronts the Adversary,he defeats him by saying,"You shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God and Him alone will you serve[Matthew 4;4]
When Paul is mobbed by people who wish to stone him for preaching against the Law of Jesus,he relies on the worldly authorities as a Roman entitled to the protection of the government rulers who save him[Acts 22:26, 23:27].

tbaba1234: Threads are argumentative because muslims respond to them. There are certain people that shouldn't be responded to at all.

People like pointblank aka truthman, clean vessel , NL Member and a few others should not be responded to. I think it lowers one's IQ .

Some people seem to prefer arguing instead of responding to threads that actually have some benefit. That is why the useful threads disappear into the archives while those with no benefit stay up.

Instead of engaging in ego contests, why don't look at what really has benefit for us.

Exactly bro,You forgot to add blenble and thehomer,truthman is also known as nextpart.Out of 100% non muslims on NL,98% can't think and reason.They are just here to attack and criticize Islam and no matter how much proof you give to them,they will never accept,keep spitting rubbish.All those debates lead to nothing but unending arguments.We should try to focus on topics that will benefit us all.....Peace

blenble: can u hear urself?
Its like u dnt get d point!
imagine americans as idol worshippers and they circle and bow down to mt everest evry months and u come with a religion u claimed to b true and conquer america...what is d best thing for u to do with those mountains? YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO DESTROY THEM!
BT u nw say,no dnt destroy dem,lets b doing d same thing-circling,bowing and worshiping d mountain bt to honour our god in d life of our great great great...grand mother!
Kai,does dt make sense!
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASON Y I ALWAYS SAY WE ARE NOT SERVING THE SAME GOD!
THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NEVER ALLOW THAT!
This is why u muslims will never understand why God instructs the israel in d OT to always destroy all pagan countries and THEIR gods====not bcus of anything or that God hates dem,bt bcus God does nt want them to start worship THEM and later claim they are worshiping HIM.GOD IS TOO HOLY TO BE WORSHIPPED D SAME WAY IDOLS WERE WORSHIPPED!(like u guys are doing). We have so many of that in d Bible bt u ppl will nt understand.TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THOSE IDOLS!


D fact that its been a way of worshiping idol shld get u thinking!
How will u b circling d SAME mountain some idol wrshippers were circling, AND U SAY U ARE WORSHIPPING D TRUE GOD??
What abt d demons in those mountain,huh?
CNT U HONOUR ISMAIL MUM WITH SOMETHING ELSE?
I AM NT SURPRISED THOUGH!
THE SAME MOUNTAIN??
Guy think!
SMH

I can't deduce anything reasonable from what you wrote.I have proved to you that running from safar and marwar was first practise by a pious person,that's why muslims are doing it.It's not a must you accept,keep spitting rubbish

cleanvessel: A whole lot of wrooooong interpretations of the bible.

Sir,kindly clear and explain them to us.

cleanvessel: That was how idolaters were commemorating Hajar before islam. Are they too not descendants of Ishmael?

Where's the proof?

NL member: You need to read the koran more, there are countless parts of the koran where those who die as unbelievers are promised the fire of hell
Koran 4:140, koran 22:72, koran 9:68 and so on.
You should read the koran more.

Who promised the unbelievers hell fire? Allah(swt),not me.If you die as an unbeliever,Allah said He has prepared hell fire as entertainment for them......Peace

deSika: am sorry but were we talking about paradise or judgement day.not everybody on judgement day will experience paradise

Where and when will people experience paradise? On earth or on the day of Judgement?

by the way i wouldnt want to deviate but coome think of it. if heaven is a perfect place and wine is allowed there, which means wine is perfect. why will it be bad to take a perfect thing on earth.

Don't play blind game here,I explained how wine is bad on earth,go back and read.

and you say wwine is bad on earth
you are causing more damage when yu say evill things are allowed in your paradise. i would just have to imagine what other evil thing is allowed in your paradise.......stealing, adultery, shirk

Your question is a silly one,ask yourself if it's possible to steal,commit adultery on the day of Judgement? That will answer your question.

think about it,

now dis is a new question.
#previously i asked whether the fact that shirk was committed on judgement day does it remove it from being shirk. yu did not answer yes or no. you gave an irrelevant response saying its judgement day and so no action counts. [i kept asking even if its judgement day or in heaven or on earth, is it shirk or not. still no answer]

I don't give irrelevant answers,Is it possible to perform worship on the day of Judgement? Answer it yourself

#this new question in contrast to the former seeks to find out what type of picture they had, since they dont know Allah before.even though you say they are in judgement day.

Believers will be eager to see Allah on the day of Judgement,they will be thinking how Allah looks like on the day of Judgement,the picture they can think of on the day of Judgement,Allah(swt)will appear to them.The hadith I misquoted for that of alexis says Allah will come to them IN ANOTHER SHAPE TO THE ONE THEY SAW FIRST.Allah knows best what will happen on the day of Judgement,to Him belongs all the keys of unseen.

you can do yourself the favor of answering this recent question and revisiting the others. also tell Mac to tell us who would change what rules and when



shalom aleichem

All your questions have been answered.....Peace

cleanvessel: Do you understand what you are saying?

The idolaters do it and you muslims do same to commemorate Hajar, mother of Ismael. Even according to your own statement, are both you (muslims) and idolaters not doing the same thing? Can't you see the relationship? This is very, very serious. I feel like forcing the truth into your head.

Tell me the idolaters know about Hajar,the mother of Ismael,just prove it to me.....Peace

deSika: so easy like that, where are your wiseman skills have you lost them. ehyah.

when alexis has started praising you for being different from the pack of the likes of tintingz who cant settle their heads down to have a common sense one to one conversation, you now want to go bacck. eh kpele

the questions are still there, the fact that you cant answer just shows one thing. you dont want to speak the truth for yourself. you dont want to see the truth for yourself.

simple question, you cant answer. yoou said something, am now asking you based on what you yourself said. its now difficult to clear yourself up.

its me deSika still saying. the truth stands in your face, your own is to take it

I have answered your questions,you asked how what it's a sin on earth can't be a sin of the day of Judgement and I gave you a simple example of wines,forbidden on earth and not a sin for the people of paradise.What else do you want me to answer?.....Peace