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Mr anony: But I'll argue that Zakir too is seeking popularity. Else he won't be requesting that there must be a crowd of 20,000 people present.

Mr man,let's hear word joor.Dr Zakir was included in the top 100 most influential muslims in the world and he's still looking for popularity abi? Dr Naik is one the greatest orator in the world and he can't debate with a person that don't have followers.That Isang is a cocoon,a student of Yusuf Olatunde Adepoju of Acadip wanna debate with him,but Isang turned him down.Yusuf Olatunde ignored Isang himself because Isang has nothing upstairs,just spewing rubbish.

tpia@:
I've asked this question before, not sure if it was answered.

It has been answered before

Why was mohammed initially a monogamist?

When Muhammad(pbuh)was twenty-five years old he married for the first time.His wife,Khadijah was fifteen years older than him.She remained the only wife of the prophet for the next twenty-five years,until she died(may Allah be pleased with her).Only after her death did the prophet marry other women.

Secondly, what was the original marriage culture of the arabs when Islam was introduced?

Was it monogamy, polygamy or were these practices restricted to different tribes, ie not uniform.

Marrying multiple wives was a common custom during that era.This is why no Christian, Jew, idolater, agnostic or atheist
etc. living at his time, ever objected to his polygamous marriages. In fact most males of all faiths had multiple wives.Polygamy and its currency before Islam,that one man could have more than one wife was something considered permissible in all religions of the world even before the advent of Islam.The custom prevailed in Arabia,India,Iran,Egypt,Babylon and among peoples elsewhere.

deSika: interesting. so can you tell the Muhammad who made that statement that the people he was talking to

The place alexis highlighted is not in the hadith,he decided to add his own words.

whom Allah would appear to in a SHAPE NEAREST to the PICTURE they had in THIER MINDS ABOUT ALLAH that Mr Mac says they dont have approval from him (MAC) TO have a picture about Allah in thier minds.

Having a picture of Allah in one's mind isn't allowed in islam.It's shirk,for example If I had a picture of Allah with three heads(nausoubillah) and another person had a picture of Allah with 2heads(nausoubillah),how will Allah appear to us in a shape that we had in our mind? Different shapes? That means alexis is lieing,that part he highlighted isn't in the hadith.

uhm like the rule for al taqiya. Or for ablutions. Is it you that will change the rules or your Allah, just asking. are you trying to recommend that he should understand what is clearly written out as red to be green. I see

Learn about Islam with an open heart.....Peace

akanb4real: ..pls wat do i need to score in p.ume to b admiited?? mee

68 and above

cleanvessel: Allah said the divisions among the idols were UNFAIR. Why was Allah reconciling them together?

What was Allah's business in the dispute happening among idols?

Thank you.

Refuting the Idolators Who appoint Rivals to Allah and claim that the Angels were Females
,Allah the Exalted said,
ﺃَﻓَﺮَﺃَﻳْﺘُﻢُ ﺍﻟﻠَّﺎﺕَ ﺍﻟﻠَّﺎﺕَ ﻭَﺍﻟْﻌُﺰَّﻯ
ﻭَﻣَﻨَﺎﺓَ ﺍﻟﺜَّﺎﻟِﺜَﺔَ ﺍﻟْﺄُﺧْﺮَﻯ
﴿٢٠
Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-`Uzza.And Manat, the
other third,then Allah said,
ﺃَﻟَﻜُﻢُ ﺍﻟﺬَّﻛَﺮُ ﻭَﻟَﻪُ ﺍﻟْﺄُﻧﺜَﻰ
﴿٢١﴾
Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
Allah asked the idolators,do you choose female offspring for Allah and give preference to yourselves with the males If you made this division between yourselves and the created,it would
be,ﺗِﻠْﻚَ ﺇِﺫًﺍ ﻗِﺴْﻤَﺔٌ ﺿِﻴﺰَﻯ
﴿٢٢﴾
a division most unfair!meaning,it would be an unfair and unjust division.How is it then that you make this division between you and Allah,even though this `How is it then
that you make this division between you and Allah,even though
this would be foolish and unjust,if you made it between
yourselves and others?'
Allah the Exalted refutes such innovated lies,falsehood and
atheism they invented through worshipping the idols and calling
them gods,
ﺇِﻥْ ﻫِﻲَ ﺇِﻟَّﺎ ﺃَﺳْﻤَﺎﺀ ﺳَﻤَّﻴْﺘُﻤُﻮﻫَﺎ ﺃَﻧﺘُﻢْ ﻭَﺁﺑَﺎﺅُﻛُﻢ ...
They are but names which you have named -- you and your
fathers,(of your own desire),
... ﻣَّﺎ ﺃَﻧﺰَﻝَ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﺑِﻬَﺎ ﻣِﻦ ﺳُﻠْﻄَﺎﻥٍ ...
for which Allah has sent down no authority.
meaning,proof,
... ﺇِﻥ ﻳَﺘَّﺒِﻌُﻮﻥَ ﺇِﻟَّﺎ ﺍﻟﻈَّﻦَّ ﻭَﻣَﺎ ﺗَﻬْﻮَﻯ ﺍﻟْﺄَﻧﻔُﺲُ ...
They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire,
they have no proof, except their trust in their forefathers who took
this false path in the past, as well as, their lusts and desires to
become leaders, and thereby gain honor and reverence for their
forefathers,
...
ﻭَﻟَﻘَﺪْ ﺟَﺎﺀﻫُﻢ ﻣِّﻦ ﺭَّﺑِّﻬِﻢُ ﺍﻟْﻬُﺪَﻯ
﴿٢٣﴾

cleanvessel: @ ayenny02

What you have said is still confirming the essence of the thread.

1. There is no denying the fact that there was a reconciliatory move by Allah to unite the three idols. ''....an unfair divisions.''

2''.......Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord''

Questions:

- Guidance has already come to them: who is them?

- Guidance from their Lord: whose Lord?

Meaning: Guidance has already come to the three idol worshipers from their Lord - Allah.

It shows Allah is the Lord of the idols's worshipers who were not muslims. So Allah is both the Lord of the muslims and the idols or idolaters.

There is a relationship between muslims and the idol worshipers because they have a common Lord - Allah.

Your response has made no difference. It is a pity, many of you muslims are ignorant of the implications of your religion. You strongly believe you are serving the true God and that is why many can die for Allah. May God open your spiritual eyes.

THEY FOLLOW
NOTHING BUT CONJECTURE and what their own souls
desire!- Even though there has already come to them
Guidance from their Lord![/b]Who is [b]THEY referring to? The arab pagans,Allah said the arab pagans follow nothing but conjecture by worshipping the three idols even though prophet muhammed(pbuh) has come to them with guidance from Allah.Is it hard to comprehend?.....Peace

rashywire: aiit, i wish us well, u cn add me on 2go 2 ch@ betta @ Adio93

Amen bro,I will add you up

basilico: And so your quran may be the word of Allah but you need other non allah sources to fulfil islam meaning Allah missed out. You also need to learn classical arabic to understand him. So was muhammad allah?

Can't you answer brother maclatunji's simple question?....

akanb4real: i chose futa as my 1st choice mech.engine, with 202 in jamb. what is my chance for admission, and what is last year mechanical cumulative cutoff?

I think they chose 64 for mechanical last year,don't know of this year sha

rashywire: Aiit sir, may God help us, watz ur score?

233

cleanvessel: It is only the jinns matter you saw there. When none of you muslims could give an answer to the question at islamic section, they felt disgraced and deleted it. The same you are doing here again.

Nobody can answer how the revelations said to have come from God is full of errors.

Nobody can answer how the writer of quran after Muhammad's death could pick the correct recitations from the contradicting recitations by the memorizers since he (writer) could not hear from Allah like Muhammad for confirmation.

How can any reasonable person be proud of a book (quran) full of guess works as reliable?

Open another thread and challenge muslims with your questions,if they aren't against NL rules,muslims will surely respond.No need hiding your thread If it wasn't against the rule.....Peace

cleanvessel: So you don't know Shakir and you call youself a muslim? Na wa for you. You might not know what is hadith too.

Shakir is one of the versions of the quran. There are other versions like Pickthal etc. Okay, it is better you don't know much about islam because it is a cult.

There's nothing like versions of the Quran,there's only one version of the Quran in arabic with different translators translating to different languages.Shakir is just a translator,a translation of the Quran not the Quran itself.....Peace

cleanvessel: Your thread is not intended to ask genuine questions but an attach on the bible. If such questions are posted on your islamic section, what you do is delete them. I posted a thread in the islamic section, instead of answering them, they deleted it outright. That is what you guys do when your religion is exposed. I was expecting you to say something there, you were nowhere to be found.

Do brother ayenny look like the moderators? If your thread isn't offensive to Islam and straightforward questions,why would moderators hide it?

TODAY'S QURAN IS NOT THE ORIGINAL


[Shakir 4:82]
Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it MANY a discrepancy.

The above quranic verse has given room for discrepancies even though they may not be MANY. The discrepancies it terms as not many is unknown but what is known is that as a book from Allah, it is not supposed to have any. This is contrary to muslims claims that the quran is perfect.

Don't derail the thread,open another thread and challenge muslims,I am sure muslim brothers are ready to answer your questions If they are reasonable.

Bukhari Book 6, Volume 61, Haddith 510

Narrated By Anas bin Malik : Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) DIFFERENCES IN THE RECITATIONS OF THE QUR'AN, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to REWRITE the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you DISAGREE with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, BE BURNT. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

The hadith under reference states the fact that there were some portions of the quran that were written after Muhammad's death.

OBSERVATIONS:

1. The satanic verse: Satan had almost succeeded in making inputs in the quran by deleting Allah's revelations from Muhammad's memory and replacing them with his own but for the quick intervention of Allah. It was possible to avert this problem because Muhammad could hear from Allah. But when other revelations were being compiled into the quran after Muhammad's death, there was noway the writer could have detected if Satan has tampered with the memorizers' memories as they could not hear from Allah like Muhammmad. In islam, it was only Muhammad who could hear from Allah.

2. There is no doubt that Satan has tampered with the memories of the memorizers because:

(a) Satan was already at work and that was why there were differences in recitations by the memorizers.
(b) There were disagreements between the memorizers.
(c) Other manuscripts were burnt off to make confirmations impossible.

3. It was the revelations that were given to Muhammad and not the writing. The writing were the works of men even at Muhammad's time, talkless of when he was no more around.

CONCLUSIONS:

HOW WAS THE WRITER ABLE TO PICK THE CORRECT RECITATIONS AMONG THE CONTRADICTING RECITATIONS AS HE COULD NOT HEAR FROM ALLAH FOR CONFIRMATION?

Under the above narrated situations, it is not reasonable for anybody to believe the quran is perfect or free of errors. The quran itself has admitted that there are some errors.

Surah Al-Isra 17;88-''If mankind and jinns come together to produce the like of the Quran,they will never be able to produce even If they help one another''.
Surah Al-Baqarah 2;23-24-''If you are still in doubt about what we have revealed to our slave,then produce a chapter somewhat similar to it and call all your helpers and witnesses besides Allah(If there's any).But if you can't produce it and you will never be able to do it,then fear the fire whose fuel shall be stones and men,prepared for the disbelievers''.

NOTE:

I know you will call it derailment of the thread for you to avoid talking about it. But if it gets to your islamic section they will delete it as they have once deleted it. If it is posted in the Christian section, it will be transferred to the islamic section only to be deleted. Who is deceiving who?. Anything that exposes the falsehood in your religion (islam) is not welcome.

Falsehood where? Ask your questions directly and not offensive to the deen.....Peace

cleanvessel: Your thread is not intended to ask genuine questions but an attach on the bible. If such questions are posted on your islamic section, what you do is delete them. I posted a thread in the islamic section, instead of answering them, they deleted it outright. That is what you guys do when your religion is exposed. I was expecting you to say something there, you were nowhere to be found.

Do brother ayenny look like the moderators? If your thread isn't offensive to Islam and straightforward questions,why would moderators hide it?

TODAY'S QURAN IS NOT THE ORIGINAL


[Shakir 4:82]
Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it MANY a discrepancy.

The above quranic verse has given room for discrepancies even though they may not be MANY. The discrepancies it terms as not many is unknown but what is known is that as a book from Allah, it is not supposed to have any. This is contrary to muslims claims that the quran is perfect.

Don't derail the thread,open another thread and challenge muslims,I am sure muslim brothers are ready to answer your questions If they are reasonable.

Bukhari Book 6, Volume 61, Haddith 510

Narrated By Anas bin Malik : Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) DIFFERENCES IN THE RECITATIONS OF THE QUR'AN, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to REWRITE the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you DISAGREE with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, BE BURNT. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

The hadith under reference states the fact that there were some portions of the quran that were written after Muhammad's death.

OBSERVATIONS:

1. The satanic verse: Satan had almost succeeded in making inputs in the quran by deleting Allah's revelations from Muhammad's memory and replacing them with his own but for the quick intervention of Allah. It was possible to avert this problem because Muhammad could hear from Allah. But when other revelations were being compiled into the quran after Muhammad's death, there was noway the writer could have detected if Satan has tampered with the memorizers' memories as they could not hear from Allah like Muhammmad. In islam, it was only Muhammad who could hear from Allah.

2. There is no doubt that Satan has tampered with the memories of the memorizers because:

(a) Satan was already at work and that was why there were differences in recitations by the memorizers.
(b) There were disagreements between the memorizers.
(c) Other manuscripts were burnt off to make confirmations impossible.

3. It was the revelations that were given to Muhammad and not the writing. The writing were the works of men even at Muhammad's time, talkless of when he was no more around.

CONCLUSIONS:

HOW WAS THE WRITER ABLE TO PICK THE CORRECT RECITATIONS AMONG THE CONTRADICTING RECITATIONS AS HE COULD NOT HEAR FROM ALLAH FOR CONFIRMATION?

Under the above narrated situations, it is not reasonable for anybody to believe the quran is perfect or free of errors. The quran itself has admitted that there are some errors.

Surah Al-Isra 17;88-''If mankind and jinns come together to produce the like of the Quran,they will never be able to produce even If they help one another''.
Surah Al-Baqarah 2;23-24-''If you are still in doubt about what we have revealed to our slave,then produce a chapter somewhat similar to it and call all your helpers and witnesses besides Allah(If there's any).But if you can't produce it and you will never be able to do it,then fear the fire whose fuel shall be stones and men,prepared for the disbelievers''.

NOTE:

I know you will call it derailment of the thread for you to avoid talking about it. But if it gets to your islamic section they will delete it as they have once deleted it. If it is posted in the Christian section, it will be transferred to the islamic section only to be deleted. Who is deceiving who?. Anything that exposes the falsehood in your religion (islam) is not welcome.

Falsehood where? Ask your questions directly and not offensive to the deen.....Peace

confusion247: That is your understanding about that action, but be informed that that your understanding is wrong.
But if you want us to compare the two religion we can, the choice is yours.

Confusion in a confused religion,absurd.

NL member: Thank you for answering lanre bro
But if there is no date for when he learned to read and write isn't it possible that he had the knowledge before prophethood?
I mean think about it, the prophet was a renowned merchant working for khadija before he became a prophet and merchants have to record a lot of information about their sales. They have to record the goods they sell, total capital from sales, debtors etc.
How did he do the recording if he couldn't read and write?

Having the thinking that the prophet(pbuh) was a learned man before prophethood will be very wrong because Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-Ankabout 29;45 that the prophet(pbuh) hasn't read or write any book before the Quran.As well as in surah Al-Araf 7;157-''Those who follow the messenger,the prophet that can neither read nor write''.So,the prophet(pbuh) being a learned man before prophethood is totally out and I don't want to make assumptions anymore and Allah knows best.....Peace

sam4xadams: This things has been posted since 5th June n my question is why is it on front Page for goodness sake? Must islamist things be there, why not report Saudi banning whatsapp vibre n other messenger on front Page? Honestly ban me if u like but hey before u do check BBC.co.uk on the banning in Islamic country for today.

What's this one saying now? Feel free to remove it from first page

vedaxcool: After all the crying people r seeing the light;

Don't mind all those blabbers on NL jare,the first non muslim female that asked a question on saturday during the 1st lecture accepted Jesus(pbuh) as a messenger of God and not God.Two females aslo accepted Islam afterwards

Hesohjay: i chosed futa as 1st choice with physics and i scored 210 in jamb, pls wot is my chance?

Word harder towards the post utme,64 and above will do sha.

rashywire: i choose futa as my 2nd choice n elect/elect as d course, score 221 in jamb, watz my chance pls. Buh d trend is dull smhw, y dis

There's aren't many Futa aspirants on NL.Elect/elect is a very competitive course in Futa,I also choose it but as 1st choice.Brother,you will have to work very hard in post utme,maybe scoring 80 and above.

NL member: Alright, thank you lanre for providing that information. I think it's really nice that you are the one answering questions on this thread while the person who had the idea for the thread is not answering any question.

You are welcome brother.

So lanre, you said the prophet learned how to read and write after his prophethood? At what point during his prophethood did he learn to read and write? Was it a month into prophethood or two months or three? Can you provide any hadith or seerah to back up your answers please? Thanks

Actually,no actual date or time was mentioned in the hadith.But to my own little knowledge,I will say when Islam has became victorious and prophet muhammed(pbuh)had taken full control of Makkah,I may be wrong.This is an hadith of Sunan Abu Dawood,Narrated Mujja'ah ibn Mirarah al-Yamani:Mujja'ah went to the prophet (peace be upon him)asking him for the blood-money of his brother whom Banu Sadus from Banu Dhuhl had killed.The prophet (peace be upon him) said:Had I appointed blood-money for a polytheist,I should have appointed it for your brother.But I shall give you compensation for him.So the prophet (peace be upon him)wrote(a document)for him that he should be given a hundred camels which were to be acquired from the fifth taken from the polytheists of Banu Dhuhl.So he took a part of them,for Banu Dhuhl embraced Islam. He then asked AbuBakr for them later on and brought to him the document of the prophet (peace be upon him).So AbuBakr wrote for him that he should be given one thousand two hundred sa's from the sadaqah of al-Yamamah;four thousand (sa's) of wheat,four thousand (sa's) of barley, and four thousand(sa's) of dates.The text of the document written by the prophet (peace be upon him) for Mujja'ah was as follows:
"In the name of Allah,the Beneficent, the Merciful.This document is from Muhammad, the prophet, to Mujja'ah ibn Mirarah of Banu Sulma.I have given him one hundred camels from the first fifth acquired from the polytheist of Banu Dhuhl as a compensation for his brother(Book #19,Hadith #2984)and Allah knows best.....Peace

tpia@:
thanks for answering.

You are welcome brother.

I'm referring to a situation where, say, for example, you're on a thread discussing something mundane and then suddenly explicit images get posted. Just wondering if it affects you somehow.

Like I said bro,if you viewed it unintentionally without knowing there are such things on the thread,no sin on you.But after knowing that there are X rated pics and you still continue viewing,then it's forbidden.If it's compulsory for you to read something important on the thread,you can switch off the images to be on a safer side and Allah knows best.

true, but not everything can be prevented.

Agreed but intentional things can be prevented.

sometimes, not necessarily always, it depends.

It depends,but If your eyes focus on such things for a long period of time,the mind begins to wander and ponder on it when lonely and afterwards you may become addicted to it.

the bolded is what i wondered about.

i know some muslims are very serious about what they expose their gaze too, and they consider it unholy if they see some things.Hence the enquiry about cleansing.

It is reported by Ibn Masud(May Allah be pleased with him);A man kissed a woman and then came to Allah's messenger(pbuh)and told him of that.So the divine revelation was revealed to the prophet(pbuh);'And perform As-Solat(Prayers)at the two ends of the day and in some hours of the night.Verily,the good deeds remove the evil deeds(small sins).That's a reminder for the mindful(those who accept advice)[Surah Hud 11;114].The man said 'Is this instruction for me alone? The prophet(pbuh)said;It's for all those of my followers who encounter a similar situation[Sahih Al-Bukhari hadith 4687].The man told the prophet(pbuh)he kissed a woman and the prophet(pbuh)told him to offer SOLAT.Kissing a woman has destabilized him,then If he offers SOLAT and ask for Allah's forgiveness,he may be pardoned.
I can't say If this hadith also pertains to looking at forbidden things intentionally,but Allah has already instruct the muslim men that lowering their gaze is purer and better for them[Surah An-Nur 24;30].Also the eyes will bear witness of what they used to look at on the day of Judgement,and Allah knows best.....Peace

CAMEROONPRIDE: and do you feel comfortable with that? I mean with that position, esp in a Crowded place?

Sure,it's what we do everyday and even a gymnast can't do more than what we muslims are doing everyday.And there are many benefits of SOLAT even medically.....Peace

faroukbabs: the salvation plan of islam is clear
believe in God alone and do not associate partners to him- 1st commandment
obey his messengers to mankind.
try as much as u can to obey him
when u fall into sin, seek forgiveness and he will forgive u and he will grant you paradise
our God does not need to kill anybody to show us mercy

Brother,don't waste your time with Him.

deSika: Forgive me but am particularly interested in your no 4 question.
U need to clarify somtin 4 me

Mr deSika,
long time o.

1. You say christians think that the paraclete is the holyspirit. To you what does paraclete mean.i mean you should show what paraclete means from a greek lexicon/dictionary

2. Can you also show where in the bible the holyspirit is recorded to be with the disciples before Jesus' speech

Salaam aleikun

According to the Aramaic Bible Society,the word "Paraclete" back then meant the "Praised One". Muhammad's name was "Ahmed".
Both Muhammad and Ahmed in Arabic mean "The Honored One" or the "Praised One".
http://www.aramaic.org/
PARAVLETE.html