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Holly b: Pls can we get d form in lagos banks?

Sure,Uba GT and maybe First Bank.

toyad24: Nawa 4 futa ooo.... Bro se ur name, faculty, n dept. were displayed on ur e-transact's receipt?

Sure bro.

cleanvessel: Trinity: 1+1+1=1 in God's maths. Lanrexlan, you are also a small trinity as you are made of spirit, soul and body and the 3 = one you. But God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Man is created in His image (Trinity). No thanks to the Devil who implanted wrong belief in you.

Each of us is waiting,so wait you too.Maybe wrong belief is implanted in me or you,just wait till the day of judgement.

Islam is not the fastest growing religion.Thousands of muslims convert to Christianity everyday from what we see in churches.Muslims converting to Christianity is no more news in Christiendom. We have many pastors Muhammad, Bello, Abubarka etc. etc.



If you are sure show your stats but what I know is that the little growth in islam is biological and not evangelical. Marrying many wives and bearing many children, most of whom are not properly catered for.

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion

Islam has no message that is capable of converting souls. What do you preach? Oneness of God. Even idol worshipers believe in 'God is One' (Olodumare) and their idol the means of getting to him. So what is special in your message? I don't believe anyone converted to islam on NL. It is a deceit.

If Islam has a message or not,wait till you are put in your grave.

Sidon somewhere and listen to real messages, the Christian messages.

Stick to that....Peace
N B I have unfollow the thread,don't try quoting me.

NL member: Convertion rates of Christians to Islam is about the same as convertion rates of Muslims to Christianity. The reason why your Islam appears to be the 'fastest growing religion' is because of the high birth rates of Muslims.
I belive the Muslims were instructed by muhammed in one hadith to give birth to as many children as possible so that he will have the biggest ummah on judgement day.
Your numbers are coming from high birth rates and not convertion.

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NL member: Convertion rates of Christians to Islam is about the same as convertion rates of Muslims to Christianity. The reason why your Islam appears to be the 'fastest growing religion' is because of the high birth rates of Muslims.
I belive the Muslims were instructed by muhammed in one hadith to give birth to as many children as possible so that he will have the biggest ummah on judgement day.
Your numbers are coming from high birth rates and not convertion.

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NL member: Convertion rates of Christians to Islam is about the same as convertion rates of Muslims to Christianity. The reason why your Islam appears to be the 'fastest growing religion' is because of the high birth rates of Muslims.
I belive the Muslims were instructed by muhammed in one hadith to give birth to as many children as possible so that he will have the biggest ummah on judgement day.
Your numbers are coming from high birth rates and not convertion.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/yahya_ahmed/islam_fasting_growing_religion_world.htm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion

toyad24: Try Gtbank.... I've paid mine but yet 2 verify d online payment "itz jxt displaying "the p-utme payment is currently on hold, please check back later". Pls @ all aspirantz, who has experienced dz kind f tin

Me too bro,I got my form from UBA but I am trying to process it,only the foolish thing displaying The post utme payment is currently on hold.Futa gets faults oo,haaa

Masha allahu Brother,may Allah reward you for this.This reminds of the story of the family of Imran,when his wife was pregnant and dedicated the child in her womb to Allah's services(free from worldly activities)[surah Al-Imran 3;35].But when she gave birth,it was a female and she was expecting a male.Allah accepted her invocation and made her daughter[Mary(pbuh)] and her offspring[Jesus(pbuh)]as a sign For the whole of humanity.Verily,Allah knows and we know not.....Peace

Mintayo: cancer is a deadly disease and it is spreading fast too!
I v shown u in some thread abt d lie 'islam is d fastest growing religion'!

Which lie? It's a confirmed statistics released,afterall google is your friend.

And dnt forget my open challenge=i doubt it if u l accept it!

I look like a moderator? Or I am the prince or king of saudi arabia?

Let me tell u what i learnt today
"no matter how much d sun hides,it will sure come out!"
no matter how much you hide d truth with ur LIES,d truth will surely prevail!

Good for you,stick your own personal truth.Brainwashed people

Mintayo: loool,very typical of you;one of d many reasons why i can't be a muslim!!

Who's forcing you? Die as a trinitarian and you will regret it,your wahala.

Well,thank God i am not an animal neither am i a snail!

My post is just a proverb,not literally.

I just pity u,i will say it again,you ppl r scared of ur religion;dt it will go into extinction??

The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam.

Why do u think saudi and oda muslim countries prohibit any oda religion? I guess dey dnt want ppl to knw d truth!

Your own personal truth right?? The truth is that you submit and worship the Creator and not the creation.

Same thing on NL,you ppl ban,hid post etc...u knw when d truth comes LIES will do anything to hide d truth!

Keep dribbling yourself.

An open challenge:let saudi n oda muslim countries allow xtainity just for 6months and u will c how d Light of Jesus will free ppl from d bondage they are in!

Let NL 'islam for muslims' remove d 'law' they impose on outsider as it is in d religion section;let all banning stop,let hidden post stop just for just 6months-1 year,den u will c what will happen!
Wait a minute,aw do u guys feel when u hide ppl's TRUTH? Excited? Smh!

Chai,the truth of trinity syndrome right?? 1+1+1=1[confused souls]
Do you remember one of your christian brother accepted islam here on NL?

Interesting bro,I do read this ayah but don't go deeper to the third stage.

sino: Lol @ snubish and lanre, i think it's marriage and if you cant afford it, fasting!

Yeah, fasting keeps the hormones at bay. An hungry man got no time for hormones, coupled with the fact that your metabolism of glucose from food is reduced, leading to shortage of glucose for glycolysis which is the primary source of ATP(the energy currency in our physiology). The brain which is the centre of nervous coordination and the primary source of arousal needs glucose, since there is a shortage of glucose and the body would start utilizing its stores of glycogen, all available glucose would go to the brain, all unnecessary pathways would be blocked, so the production of neurotransmitters(such as dopamine,NO,epinephrine etc) responsible for arousal and pleasure, would be reduced.

Biologist in the building,may Allah increase your Imaan and knowledge,let's keep marriage out of it .....Peace

Mintayo: Honestly,i don't know what you people are afraid of!

If they are talking about an animal that can kill someone,is it that of a snail? Smh

Bodmas80: Futa had prepared her registration portal, someone jst called me dat he had done his own.. Go and do it now b4 is too late.... I too am a FUTA post utme candidate, am goin 4 Elect/Elect. All FUTA aspirant, let meet on 2go, my 2go username is Akinpelu135

What's your utme score?

snubish: causes ?hormones, free mixing between sexes, late marriage, not having enough knowledge of the deen, not engaging in enough acts of worship, poverty, idleness, media: tv, internet etc, books and magazines, poor parenting
if you tackle these within any society, indecency will not be absent but will be significantly reduced.
ps: how to tackle hormones? #scratchinghead

Waiting For your explanations on how to tackle hormones oo

dhayor58: m @ife,went virtually 2 al banks yestaday including uba,cudn't gt any 4m

Futa's wahala niyen o ,they haven't update their site self,the registration portal isn't there,let's be patient bro,hopefully next week.

rashywire: shouting poo lols
10qs 4 d information boss, cn we only get d form in d skul

The form is available in every bank,but I suggest UBA personally.

NL member: If I get you correctly,you are saying that non muslims do not accept your explanations for the questions they bring up so this indicates that they do not want to learn and will stubbornly stick to what they are saying inspite of whatever you tell them.
Lanrexlan,what you should realise is that many of the non muslims that come here asking questions usually get their questions from non islamic sites and these sites contain what you'd refer to as unislamic or misleading information about Islam.When they copy and paste this info from these sites,you,the muslim,has the responsibility of providing the truth regarding their claims.When doing this,be sure to back up your claims with valid koranic verses or hadith and try to make your point as logical as possible so that there will be no room for confusion or denial in their minds.It is possible that the people you mentioned before are truly unconvinced of your explanations and that is why they stick to what they are saying.

Brother,sure they copied misleding questions from anti-islamic sites and we explain to them,but they would stick to what they had without considering yours. All our answers are always backed with the Tafseer of the Quran,authentic hadiths of the prophet(pbuh),the seerah(biography) of the prophet(pbuh) and our own logical reasoning.

Maybe they actually do not understand you but because you are used to getting animosity from non muslims you misinterprete their confusion for trouble making and decide to leave them alone because you think they are refusing to learn.What I personally believe and what I have learnt from my experience with debating is that when you bring forward an airtight, logical defense for your position,your opponent will have no choice but to concede and even if they want to pretend that they don't understand you,they will only end up looking like idiots while grasping straws.

They will understand,but only to stare at the truth and comes up with a stupid rebuttal.

You will most certainly get non muslims who will question your beliefs and who will be reluctant to accept your explanations but completely avoiding questions is not the way to go.It makes you look cowardly,sorry.You should at least respond to them and if they keep making meaningless statements then you can leave them alone.

That's what I do bro,non-muslims are free to question our belief.I always respond to any reasonable questions they posed,only ignore them when they come up with stupid ideas.My first dialogue with a non-muslim proved stubborn.I showed him how a camel coming out from a rock is a miracle and he is still insisting that they is nothing miraculous about it,even after I have shown him verses from Quran to back it up and so many dialogues with non-muslims like that.They will be starring at obvious truth and be repeating the same question using different ways.

On my part,I have never insisted that I was right when I was wrong whenever I ask questions here and I always make use of islamic sources as back up whenever I table my points so I don't see any justification for tbaba saying that my questions should be avoided.If you know of any thread where I kept arguing blindly even in the face of valid contradictory evidence then please draw my attention to that thread.

That's you bro,not other non-muslims.Cleanvessel For example in his thread ''WHY ALLAH'S RECONCILIATION'',I proved to him that Allah was refuting the idol worshippers in the verses he quoted with Quran and logic,but he still insist on his claims.Another is the issue of who built the kabba,after showing them verses from Quran and hadiths that claim Abraham(pbuh) and Ismael(pbuh)built it,they still go about saying pagans built it without authoritative backings,do you expect me to continue engaging people like that?

Lastly,you will always meet people that will mock your religion,it is a normal thing with humans to mock what they don't understand or what they don't like. Some of the muslims here also mock christianity and christian beliefs so no need to play the victim in this case.When you're mocked,you are supposed to defend your stand and show the mocker why they are wrong to mock you so they can understand you better.Running away from mockery solves nothing.

I'm not an hypocrite,you see the verses of the Quran I quoted[surah Al-Anam 6;68,surah An-Nisa 4;140].Some non-muslims aren't worthy replying to.Seriously,if they ask their questions without mocking,they will get their answers.Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-Anam 6;108-''And insult not those they worship besides Allah lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge''.
So,you can't any sane muslim that will insult Jesus(pbuh) or Mary(pbuh).Even without muslims insulting these personalities and their beliefs,non-muslims still go around calling Allah-the Creator different and bad names.So,you can't expect me to sit them never.Moreover,brother ours is to convey the message,only the Creator gives guidance.Some people require only a sign and they are convinced,some 10 and even some after providing more than 100signs,they won't accept cos muslims can't give guidance.....Peace

cleanvessel: Summary

1. The quran was not in book form during Muhammad's life time.

Are you playing blind game or your rebuttal clouded your thinking? See what I wrote

lanrexlan: Yes,it was written on leathers and other materials,memorized by many people.What Abu Bakr (ra) did was that he complied the Quran on a single material.

I was right about non-muslims on this section,it's what on your mind that you think about,so muslims opinion don't matter.

2. The compilations into book form were made from not only the written pieces during Muhammad's time but also from the memorizers' conflicting recitations,in which there was no way they could could confirm which of them were correct and yet they put them in the quran, guessing.

Oops,whose recitation would be the correct one? His closed companions that were among the scribes that wrote the Quran lived with the prophet(pbuh)for 23 years and they won't be able to give the people the correct recitation of the prophet(pbuh)? The prophet(pbuh) always lead them in solat and gives khutbah,and his companions won't know how he recite the Quran? Think brother,read my explanations with an open mind.

AS a result of the above,the quran could not be said to be complete or correct revelations of Allah and therefore not preserved.

Surah Al-Hijr 15;9-''It's Allah that sent down the Quran and he will surely guard it''.

Allah has promised to guard and preserve the Quran.....Peace

[b]N B[/b]You have wasted your rebuttal,see you next time.

cleanvessel: Summary

1. The quran was not in book form during Muhammad's life time.

Are you playing blind game or your rebuttal clouded your thinking? See what I wrote
[quote author=lanrexlan]Yes,it was written on leathers and other materials,memorized by many people.What Abu Bakr (ra) did was that he complied the Quran on a single material.

I was right about non-muslims on this section,it's what on your mind that you think about,so muslims opinion don't matter.

2. The compilations into book form were made from not only the written pieces during Muhammad's time but also from the memorizers' conflicting recitations,in which there was no way they could could confirm which of them were correct and yet they put them in the quran, guessing.

Oops,whose recitation would be the correct one? His closed companions that were among the scribes that wrote the Quran lived with the prophet(pbuh)for 23 years and they won't be able to give the people the correct recitation of the prophet(pbuh)? The prophet(pbuh) always lead them in solat and gives khutbah,and his companions won't know how he recite the Quran? Think brother,read my explanations with an open mind.

AS a result of the above,the quran could not be said to be complete or correct revelations of Allah and therefore not preserved.

Surah Al-Hijr 15;9-''It's Allah that sent down the Quran and he will surely guard it''.

Allah has promised to guard and preserve the Quran.....Peace

[b]N B[/b]You have wasted your rebuttal,see you next time.

NL member: That Islam is the only way? What makes you assured that Islam is the right way for mankind?
Some theists are sure of their religions for reasons like supernatural experiences, miracles (their pastors performed) etc. What makes you Muslims sure that Allah is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and that he ordains humans to be Muslims?

Firstly,what's the meaning of Islam? Islam is derived from the root word Salam which means peace and the word aslam which means to submits one's will to the creator.Islam is peace acquired by submitting one's will to The Creator.A muslim is someone that submits his will to The creator.For example,the tree is a muslim.How? The tree submits its will to it creator,it purpose in life is to grow when Allah commands it to grow and serves other purposes For Man,it can't oblige to The Creator's will.Also,the animals are muslims.They are to serve human beings,that's their purpose in life.It was narrated in one hadith of Sahih Al-Bukhari 5/3663 that a man was driving a cow with a load on it and the cow turned towards the man and spoke to him saying;''I have not been created for this purpose,but for ploughing''.So,the animals are subjected to humans,submiting their will to The Creator.

But Allah,the creator gives human beings and jinns freewill to choose between right and wrong.Since man has a freewill,then he begins to join partners in worship with his creator,innovating new religion,giving praises,worship and thanks to others besides the Creator.So Allah,the creator begins to send Messengers with guidance to warn mankind,telling them to follow the commands of the Creator by obeying Him and worshipping Him alone.Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah An-Nahl 16;36 that For every nation,there's a messenger to warn them and calls them to his religion.All the messengers that were sent came with one thing which is THERE'S NO DEITY WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT THE CREATOR-ALLAH.The last and final messenger sent to The whole of humanity is prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and the last and final book of guidance sent to The whole of mankind is the glorious Quran.

I promise you sincerely that I am not going to turn this into a debate (unless you ask me to), I want to know what convinced you Muslims of Islam because I am genuinely curious.
When I was still religious I was convinced of my religion because I believed that I had premonitions ( o my god, thinking of it now just makes me cringe) but those things I thought were visions could easily be chalked down to coincidence or chance.

So Muslims, what made you certain about Islam?
I promise, no arguments and no going back and forth, I am just curious.
Your replies will be appreciated, and who knows, you might just convince me to become a muslim with the answer you give

Salam

Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)said that every human being is born with a pure fitrah,meaning everyone is born as a muslim to submit his will to The Creator.When a child is born,the air that he's breathing is provided by the Creator,Allah.The water he is using is of the Creator's.So from birth,a child is submiting his will to his creator,but as he grows up he's being influenced by his society and parents and then makes him to join partners in worship with his creator and going against his commands.

Finally,Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-Imran 3;19 that the only religion acceptable in the sight of Allah-the Creator is Islam(i.e. Acquire peace by submitting one's to The Creator-Allah).This is just my little explanation brother.....Peace

cleanvessel: Are you saying the whole of the quran was written during Muhammad's time? That is not true if that is what you said.

Yes,it was written on leathers and other materials,memorized by many people.What Abu Bakr(ra) did was that he complied the Quran on a single material.

Your explanations did not cover the areas I'm talking about. The fact that Muhammad was not immune from forgetting,there is the possibility that he could have forgotten part of what he received before he dictated them to the writers or his companions.

I think you saw how I showed you that Allah caused the prophet(pbuh)to memorize by heart and every ramadan,the archangel Gabriel will visit the prophet(pbuh) and revise the Quran with him.

When the quran was being compiled as a book, it suffered many things that one could not reasonable vouch for its authenticity as true and complete revelations of allah:

Firstly, Aisha said some portions were eaten up by beast and it could not be found anywhere again. Those ones were lost forever as they are not in the quran.

I haven't see the hadith that says a beast eat up the revelation,I can't locate the hadith he quoted.

Secondly,Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorised them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known;[b][/b] nor had Abu Bakr, nor `Umar nor `Uthman as yet collected the texts of the Qur'an. (Burton: The published text ought here to be amended: for "fa lamma jama`Abu Bakr", I propose to read: "wa lamma yajma` Abu Bakr", to follow: "lam yuktab".)

Those lost passages were not to be found with anyone after the deaths of those who had memorised them. This, I understand, was one of the considerations which impelled them to pursue the Qur'an during the reign of Abu Bakr, committing it to sheets for fear that there should perish in further theatres of war men who bore much of the Qur'an which they would take to the grave with them on their fall, and which, with their passing, would not be found with any other.(John Burton, The Collection of the Qur'an, pp. 126-127, Abu Bakr `Abdullah b. abi Da'ud, Kitab al-Masahif’, ed. A. Jeffery, Cairo, 1936/1355, p. 23

Is this an hadith,Seraah or Tafseer? No authoritative backings.

There were differences in the reciters' recitations. "We were sitting in the mosque and `Abdullah was reciting the Qur'an when Hudaifa came in and said, 'The reading of ibn Umm `Abd! [ie. `Abdullah] The reading of Abu Musa! By God! if I am spared to reach the Commander of the Faithful, I will recommend THAT HE IMPOSE A SINGLE QUR’AN READING!'
‘Abdullah became very angry and spoke sharply to Hudaifa who fell silent." (Burton, p. 142, Abu Bakr `Abdullah b. abi Da'ud, "K. al Masahif", ed. A. Jeffery, Cairo, 1936/1355, p. 13

Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet.However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions.There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions.This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.). Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an,which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her),the Prophet’s wife.Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it,led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims.There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them.These might have been incomplete and with mistakes.Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an.Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day,one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul,Turkey.

As you can see there were confusions among them as to which of the recitations were correct and there was need to impose ONE.How are we to be sure the one imposed is the correct and Muhammad was no more around? Under this kind of a situation,how can you vouch for the CORRECTNESS of the content of the quran. So many portions were lost due to men who fell in war and could not be recovered making the quran contents short of many revelations from allah.There are so many more but let me limit it to this for now.

The one imposed is the correct one the prophet(pbuh)used because it's the script received from the scribes that wrote the Quran down......Peace


N B,just one more rebuttal from you.

NL member: @OP
Islam cannot stand any tiny critisism, talkless of thorough critisism. I have seen different posts on this section by tbaba where he adviced muslims to ignore the people questioning Islam on this section.
Why should any non muslim's question be ignored if every part of Islam is perfect and revealed by god? Shouldn't there be irrefutable proof to back their religion up?
I am one of those tbaba asked muslims to ignore; I have never insulted any muslim here and never insulted Allah/muhammed but he was asking muslims to ignore the questions I ask because 'they are a waste of time'.

Brother,I personally do respect your questions.Islam calls for logical reasoning,Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah An-Nahl 16;125-''Invites all to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair preaching and argue with them in a way that is better,Truly,your lord knows best who has gone astray from His path and He is the best knower of those who are guided''.
So,it's good to a have a dialogue with non-muslims but only in a way that's better.

The day I saw that comment was the day I realized that many muslims here are not sure of their faith in Islam.

We are sure of our faith,many non-muslims are just adamant and not ready to accept your answers,then I see no reason engaging people like that.

If you ask a question in the christian section,they ALWAYS have an answer and are ALWAYS ready to defend their beliefs even if their defence is not sensible but in this section the case is different, muslims must ignore questions and not get into any type of argument about Islam because 'it is a waste of time'.

Many christians or non-muslims asking questions always ask with a closed mind.So,if we muslims gave them an explanation of their questions,their replies will be ''We are sure the Quran doesn't mean this way,this is your own explanation'' or ''Are you knowledgeable than Allah and prophet Muhammad(pbuh)?''.They will pick a verse and give it their own interpretation and then conclude that this is the way it ought to be,no matter the explanations you give,they won't agree because they came with a closed mind.Take Truthman2012 For example,He opened a thread titled ''MUSLIMS ARE IN HELL FIRE PENDING RESURRECTION DAY?'',and after we explained the verses and hadiths he quoted,he didn't agree and still going about with his own claims.Do you expect me to engage someone like him in a debate again?
Also many non-muslims came to Islam section to make a mockery of Islam and the Quran, and Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-Anam 6;68-''And when you see those who engage in a false conversation about our verses by mocking them,stay away from them till they turn to another topic........''
Also in surah An-Nisa 4;140-''And it has already been revealed to you in the Book(Quran) that when you hear the verses of Allah being denied and mocked at,then sit not with them until they engage in a talk other than that,but if you stayed with them,certainly in that case you would be like them.Surely,Allah will collect the hypocrites and disbelievers all together in hell''.

So,many non-muslims I would Say 95% come here to mock and abuse the Quran,Allah and prophet Muhammad(pbuh),then you can't expect me to reply them.Their minds are already made up,Truthman2012 opened a thread titled ''SIMILARITIES BETWEEN ISLAM AND HINDUISM''.I know the person that complied the article had a good aim,but Truthman2012 don't have a good aim about the thread,he wanna mock Islam.Firstly,there aren't hindus on NL,so what's the purpose of the thread? No purpose,then he concluded some ignorant and stupid conclusion.There are many similar threads you don't muslims to reply.

Finally,when you wanna enter the section,you should notice This section is For muslims only please,even moderators are muslims.So if you wanna have a dialogue here,just follow the rules.....Peace

cleanvessel: I don't want to believe what you said is the truth. Firstly, some portions of the revelation were eaten up by beasts,how is the quran preserved? Some were nowhere to be found, how is the quran preserved? You have not addressed the two issues.

If you don't believe what I wrote then no need engaging you again.I told you how the Quran was preserved and you said you don't believe it.There is a group of men the prophet(pbuh)chose and whenever he received a revelation,he memorized it and Allah said that he caused the prophet(pbuh)to memorize by heart,after the memorizing it,he recite to the scribes and they too memorize and then write it down.

Thirdly,since the prophet could forget revelations,how are you so sure the ones he eventually dictated for writing down or to his companions were correct and complete?

The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion,as and when it was required.The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation.The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah(swt) through archangel Jibraeel.Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions,the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed,including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel.During the last Ramadhaan,before the demise of the Prophet,the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime,both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions......Peace

truthman2012: Buhkari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 558

Narrated By 'Aisha : Allah's Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget."

Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 562

Narrated By 'Aisha : The Prophet heard a reciter reciting, the Qur'an in the mosque at night. The Prophet said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such and-such Suras, which I missed!"

(Ibid., p. 112- citing Muslim Hudud 15 and also No.3421; Ibn Maja Hudud 9

Aisha relates that, “Ten verses were revealed concerning a foster relationship. These were annulled and replaced by another five verses.” Yet both the abrogated and abrogating verses are nowhere to be found. She also stated: “The verses of stoning and fostering were revealed, and the sheet of paper on which they were written was under my pillow. But then the Prophet died. Overwhelmed with grief, a beast came in and ate the sheet of paper.”

The above makes us to know that the prophet forgot many verses of the Scriptures only to be reminded later. The question therefore is: since he was subject to forgetting revelations, how many of such verses could have been forgotten before he could give them to the reciters? One would have thought he should be empowered not to forget any of the revelations to preserve them in their original state.

In compiling the Book, there is a source that says some verses were nowhere to be found and some eaten up by beasts.

How can it therefore be said that the revelations were preserved or the Book complete. Still glorious?

Whenever the Prophet(pbuh)received a revelation,he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A.)– May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it.The Prophet(pbuh) would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)was an Ummi who could not read and write.Therefore, after receiving each revelation,he would repeat it to his Companions.They would write down the revelation,and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written.If there was any mistake,the Prophet(pbuh) would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

rashywire: buh boss y dis, is it compulsory i depend on Man wen i knw d way just trying 2 advice some BOFFUNS around 2 stop advertising dis, w@ kind of help do u guys have 4 us, did u knw d questions, re u d 1 marking or wat? NB: I'm nt abusing buh clear maself. i rest my case my lord

Lolz,bro chill jare.The brother is just trying to help ni.People who are need of his help will subscribe na

tbaba1234: ^The messenger said that he was more afraid of women for the men of this ummah. Not invading armies because there is no strong man when it comes to these things, even married couples have to take care of themselves.

Your knowledge will not save you. It is about observing the limits and discipline. The easy access to pornographic materials online makes it even tougher.

Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) had already said that from among his followers,there will be people that will consider illegal sexual relations as legal.The internet is the major problem,people look at the positive aspects of internet,but it has a lot of disadvantages.Indecency in the society and unable to lowers one's gaze are also problems.

tbaba1234: This is a MAJOR, MAJOR problem... I encourage all muslims to follow this thread. Where i try to address shamelessness from the Quranic perspective.

https://www.nairaland.com/1264719/shamelessness

SubhanAllah!!! The story is very touching.But Brother,I think it's not only married muslim men alone,it also applies to muslim teenagers and youths.

tpia@:
my question is specifically for tbaba, i think it can go on this thread [not sure], since the title also says questions about muslims.

@ tbaba

even though i'm not muslim, i've followed some of your threads occasionally.

i'm curious about some of these things:

-are you single or in a relationship:

I assume you're single [correct me if i'm wrong]

- are you currently looking for a SO, if no, why not

-if yes, what are your requirements of a potential partner? ie what attributes do you look for? Of course we know she must be muslim, but what level of commitment do you require?

- do you see yourself with, or would you allow yourself to "date" a moderate muslim? [moderate as in, more moderate than you, relatively speaking. I'm not saying you're moderate, per se]

-if so, would you require the person to practice a stricter form of the religion once you settle down

just curious, that's all.

Please brother,this thread is For questions about Islam and muslims in general.I don't think brother Tbaba can be giving out his private information.Why don't you mail him?.....Peace

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