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Hmm,after all the clear explanations about the injeel,it's still surprised me some people can't even understand and comprehend it.

We have replied to every single question of brother desika,if you have another question you can bring it on...Peace

alexis: I don't doubt that - All I am asking muslims to do is PROVIDE PROOF OF THE INJEEL THAT ALLAH GAVE JESUS. Allah gave the Torah and Psalms and we still have those today. How come those are not lost but the injeel is lost.

If you claim the bible is corrupt - you must PROVE it. The proof is to bring the uncorrupt one Allah gave Jesus. If that is lost - then you have to SHUT-UP and swallow your tongue. You can't base your claim on a lost item - it's shear nonsense to say the least

I thought you understand my post fully,but I see you don't comprehend it fully.I will explain in a more dynamic way.The Taurat we Muslims believe in is not the "Torah" of the Jews
and the Christians
.We believe that whatever the Holy
Prophet Moses (Peace be upon him)preached to his people,was
the revelation from God Almighty,but that Moses was NOT the
author of those "books" attributed to him by the Jews and the
Christians.
Likewise,we believe that the Zaboor was the revelation of God
granted to prophet David(Peace be upon him)but that
the present Psalms associated with his name aren't that
revelation.The Christians themselves do not insist that David is
the sole author of "his" Psalms.That's what I meant in my other post,the injeel is no more because it was revealed for jesus(pbuh)and his people only,so it's not preserved and due to changes in time,corruption has set in,the bible may contain some remnants of GOD's word but the original injeel has been distorted.Consider this verse of the glorious quran,in surah Al-imran 3;71-'o people of the scriptures(Jews and Christians);why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?''So from time to time,falsehood has crept into the injeel,the people conceals the truth about the injeel revealing a little and concealing most,then falsehood set in.That's why I said the original injeel is no more,the bible may contain some GOD's words but bulk of the bible are words of historians,hope that explains better...Peace brother.

alexis: You just sent me a link that explained what you have been saying, that the present Bible is corrupt and Allah gave Jesus the Injil - I asked for PROOF and link to the actual text of the original Injeel and you sent me to the same thing you have been telling me.

maclatunji - Please provide me a link, an online copy of the ACTUAL Injeel that Allah gave to Jesus if you can.

Can you DO this or NOT?

Brother,in every age ALLAH(swt)has sent down revelation to the people to guide them,as ALLAH said in surah An-nahl 16;36-'verily,we have sent among every ummah(community,nation) a messenger proclaiming;worship ALLAH and avoid false deities'.So every nation has its own prophet and a revelation given to them.In the quran,only four revelations were mentioned by name,/zaboor/ is the revelation given to prophet david(pbuh),/taurah/ is the revelation given to prophet moses(pbuh),/injeel/ is the revelation given to prophet jesus(pbuh) and the /Quran/ is the revelation given to the last and final prophet muhammed(pbuh).All the prophets that came before the last and final messenger muhammed(pbuh)were meant for their people,and their message was meant for that time.After a prophet leaves,another prophet comes,from Noah(pbuh) to abraham(pbuh) and so on like that.Although the main teaching of all the prophets is THERE'S NO DEITY WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH.Because the revelation revealed to the prophets is meant for their people,the prophet and that period of time,so there's NO point preserving it because another prophet will come with another revelation.But because the glorious quran is the last and final revelation of almighty ALLAH revealed to the last and final messenger muhammed(pbuh),so the quran isn't meant for the arabs or the time of prophet muhammed(pbuh)only,it's for the whole of humanity.As ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-hijr 15;9-'it's ALLAH that sent down the dhikr(quran),we will surely guard it(from corruption).So because the quran is meant to be a guide for mankind starting from the time of prophet muhammed(pbuh)to the time the world will come to an end,then ALLAH will surely guard it and preserve it because it's final instruction manual for mankind.There may be some remnants of GOD's word in the bible but bulk of it are words of historians because it has undergone changes from time to time.Hope that clarifies your question....Peace brother

alexis: Dude - you don't even know me. You have no idea about my back-ground, where I am from, my current and past religious leanings - you don't know. How can you open your mouth and say I know nothing of the Quran and Hadith?

How do you know the most difficult language to translate is Arabic - Have you translated Farsi? (Persian language) or Chinese or Japanese. How can you make such shallow claims without any authoritative references?

Please refer me to the link you talked about JIHAD - I am interested in reading it. Listen mate and listen very well. The Quran is a book that ANYONE can read - muslim, Christians, people that want to be muslims, scholars, former muslims etc. So, stop coming here and talking like you are an AUTHORITY on the Quran. THE ONLY AUTHORITY ON THE QURAN IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QURAN AND MOHAMMED HIMSELF. So, if you say something otherwise and contrary to what Mohammed said - then you are INVENTING your own religion.

Again, we are not ignorant Oh!. Some of us have been in Islamic schools since we were kids - so stop the arrogant tone as if you are the only one that knows the Quran

Brother,I am sorry if my words hurt I don't mean it in a bad way.How do you also know the japanese is hard to translate? You said anyone can read,i agreed but most important thing is to read the quran with an open heart or learn arabic as a language,being to islamic schools don't signify you know much about islam,you may not develop interest in it.I also went to a catholic school..That's it brother...Peace

alexis: You don't have to drag the Bible into this my friend - the CLAIM is on you to provide the original Injeel. If you can't then you have NO GROUNDS and basis to claim that the current Bible is corrupt.

My point is simple - I never CLAIMED that the Quran is corrupt or the version that the Quran is using is different from the one that was used in 7th century Arabia. Muslims are the ones claiming the Bible is corrupt or mixed with fiction and facts and that they true Injeel is not the same as the Bible we have. SO, THE BURDEN ON PROOF IS FOR YOU GUYS TO SHOW US A COPY OF THE INJEEL SINCE YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS.

In regards the Sunni Quran and Shitte Quran been different - I am not referring different in terms of the theme or the message of the Quran. However, the Shitte Quran has an additional Surah which is not in the present Sunni Quran. So, we all know that muslims claim the Quran is perfect and there are no differences - however, how can we MISS A WHOLE SURAH in the Sunni Version but present in the Shitte Version.

Here is an Islamic website talking about the differences between Sunnis and Shittes - http://www.discoveringislam.org/sunnis_vs_shia.htm

I will post my evidence on the differences between both Qurans.

Thank you brother,INJEEL means the "Gospel" or "good
news" which Jesus Christ(pbuh) preached during his short ministry.The
"Gospel" writers often mention that Jesus going about and
preaching the Gospel (theInjeel):
1."And Jesus went . . . preaching the gospel . . . and healing
every disease among the people." (Matthew 9:35)
2. "... but whosoever shall lose his fife for my sake and the
gospel's, the same shall save it." (Mark 8:35)
3. "... preached the gospel. . ." (Luke 20:1)
The "gospel" is a frequently-used word, but what Gospel did Jesus
preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small
fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus.I explained in one of my posts the 3 categories in the which the bible falls.The Christians
boast about the Gospels according to St. Matthew,according to
St. Mark,according to St. Luke and according to St. John,but
there is not a single Gospel"according" to (St.) Jesus himself! We
sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and
blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God.That was
the injeel,the good news and the guidance of God for the
Children of Israel.In his life-time Jesus(pbuh)never wrote a single word,
nor did he instruct anyone to do so.What passes off as the
"GOSPELS" today are the works of anonymous hands!
Hope that clarifies that.
To your point about shias and muslims,brother i'm still for that extra surah because I never come across such in my life.Let me tell you something,i don't want to know if anyone is shia or sunni or hanbali or tebilig or anything,prophet muhammed(pbuh)who was the last and final messenger of ALLAH was a muslim,not any of these.And ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-muminun 23;53-54-'but they have broken their religion among them into sects,each group rejoicing in what is with it(the beliefs).So leave them in their error for a time'.And also in surah Ar-rum 30;32-'of those who split up their religion and became sects(they invented new things in the religion and follow their vain desires),each sects rejoicing in that which is with it'.Also ALLAH said in surah Al-anam 6;159-'verily,those who divide their religion and break up into sects,you(muhammed(pbuh)) have no concern with them in the least.Their affairs is only with ALLAH,who then will tell them what they used to do'.So brother,all the aboves said making sects in islam is forbidden,but unfortunately people has broken into sects,their affairs is with ALLAH alone,prophet muhammed(pbuh)said in At-Tirmidhi,Ibn Majah and Abu dawud that his ummah will be divided into 73 religious sects,all in hell except one and that's following strictly the quran and prophet's sunnahs.Brother,if you read the link you posted,all what shias do has no basis in islam,and prophet muhammed(pbuh)said;Beware of newly invented things,for every newly invented things are innovations and every innovation is a mis-guidance and every mis-guidance is hell fire.That's why I said the other time that you shouldn't study muslims to know about islam,study the quran and authentic hadith...Peace brother.

alexis: That is normally the plan - Here is what muslim apologists like to do:

1. Say non-muslims are quoting the Surah and verses out of context
2. When we back it up with the Hadith, they will say the Hadith we are using is weak.
3. When we give example of the Surah and how Mohammed interpreted it - they will say no, that is not the interpretation (As if Allah couldn't make it clear to Mohammed and muslims alike). Allah doesn't need any muslim help to interpret the Quran
4. They will derail off topic and start dragging the Bible in. Common example, when we show them the Quran justifies violence and the actions of muslims like Boko Haram are justified in the Quran - they will go 180 degrees and start talking about the Crusades and how America is in muslim land and how Jesus used violence in the temple of God (I mean really).

It's all a trick - but I know them . You can only expose LIES by TELLING the truth.

Brother,you are talking as if you know much about the quran and hadith,you have no knowledge about both you just visit some anti islamic sites,then copy and paste rubbish here no problem.You now the glorious quran wasn't revealed in English language,the language was arabic and brother,the most difficult language to translate is arabic.People who translated the glorious quran only translated it so that it will be close to the original arabic writings,for example the arabic word ''Rabb'' is found many times in the quran,but there's no proper english equivalent word for this word ''rabb'',so to make the readers understand it the word 'lord' is used.Rabb in arabic means the one God of the universe,the cheriser,the sustainer,the provider,the creator,master,organizer,provider,owner and giver of security.So that's why there's tafseer of the quran(explanations of the Quran),this tafseer will make people understand the glorious quran very well,that's it.Brother,I challenge you to point out a single teaching of islam that's against humanity as a whole.I have explained about the concept of JIHAD in one my posts,feel free to read it.And also if you wanna read the quran,read it with an open mind not what people are saying about islam or that conflict way or the media...Peace

alexis: Ask him why the Shitte Quran has an extra Surah and the Sunnis don't. Since it is one Quran that they want us to believe

Where's your proof brother? I agreed they are sects in islam,but if we analyse this,all these sects believed in the same fundamentals of islam-one GOD(ALLAH),one holy scripture(the Quran) and the last and final messenger(prophet muhammed(pbuh),there may be little differences but the fundamentals are the same.Unlike in christianity,many sects different teachings,the protestant bible has seven books lesser than the catholic bible,the protestant bible has 66books and catholic bible has 73books,the outcast books according to the protestants are:
The Book of Judith
The Book of Tobias
The Book of Baruch
The Book of Esther,etc.
These books are which they contemptuously refer
to as the"apocrypha" i.e. of DOUBTFUL AUTHORITY.
Notwithstanding the dire warning contained in the Apocalypse,
which is the last book in the RCV (renamed as"Revelation" by
the Protestants), it is "revealed":
"If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall
add unto him the plagues written in this Book."
(Revelation 22:18-19),but the protestants had removed seven books!!! What about that brother?....Peace.

Proffdada: I have soft and hardcopy of the quran and it validates mohammed receved his teachings in a cave given yo him by a (fallen) angel he later referred to as allah. Pathetically he accepted to worship the devil before three temptations, d guy no strong at all

That's shows your ignorance brother,no proof for what you said and no back up.The first revelation of ALLAH came to prophet muhammed(pbuh)in cave hira,and he was revealed to him through the arch angel gabriel,other revelations came to muhammed(pbuh)in makkah and medina.Grow up brother...Peace

Proffdada: every book has spoilers, the Bible can't be exempted. But we don't attack violently those spoilers cuz there's judgement fot them
Rev 22:19

Brother,the bible may be corrupted,the quran is not.Not every book has spoilers,ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-hijr 15;9-'it's ALLAH that sends down the dhikr(quran),and we will surely guard it(from corruption)'.The glorious quran is the only book in the world that retains its purity of language and original form for 14 decades,it's a miracle,miracle of miracles,miracle of all ages...Peace brother.

deSika: i happened to see this. and so i will treat it

Thank you Brother,I will respond to few of your questions because my brother ayenny has answered almost all your questions.Firstly,the arabic word ''Tauhid'' carries a lot of things,it means to believe in ALLAH as the creator,organizer,planner,sustainer and giver of security.Now tell me an idol worshipper believed he was created by his idol...keep thinking.Also it means you must believe in the unique names and qualities of ALLAH like Al-khaliq(the creator),now tell me an idol created his worshipper or his worshippers created him? These are to mention few about Tauhid.If anyone wants to claim he believes in Tauhid,then he Must believe in all the qualities I listed above and all the prophets of ALLAH(peace be upon them all)believed in this.

Proffdada: The Quran you guys call holy book was received in a cave of demons,

Produce your proof if you are truthful,you have no knowledge about islam.One thing about most christians is that they don't read the quran nor hadith,just visit and some anti islamic sites and copy,then paste rubbish here,how many of you christians have the quran at home? I have the bible,don't follow what people are saying or propagating about islam,don't follow the media go and study islam yourself and you will surely find the truth insha allahu....Peace brother

Jazzakumallah Khairan@brother ayenny,may ALLAH increase your eeman.

Thank you Brother desika,I will insha allahu analyse your points one after the other.Let's start with what you said,you said that I picked the 5pillars from different verses,I agreed but even the 5pillars of islam aren't put together in the quran.You even said that I should show you where a prophet performed all these pillars,brother I will take jesus(pbuh)as an example,jesus(pbuh)believed in the oneness of GOD(Shahadah),he fasted for 40days and 40nights,he give charity and fell upon his face(SOLAT),brother he(jesus(pbuh)) may not performed these pillars as we muslims performed it now,it's because ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-maidah 5;3-'today,i have perfected your religion for you,completed my favors upon you and choose islam for you as your religion'.So we realised prophet muhammed(pbuh) was the perfector of the religion of GOD,all the pillars the former prophets performed were correct but incomplete but ALLAH completed it for prophet muhammed(pbuh) and his followers.That's why we muslims offered 5daily prayers and other pillars,ALLAH has completed it.To your question about temple being a mosque,because you said there weren't mosques then,brother both temple and mosque are places of worship,the same applies to priests and imams they are both men of GOD.You also raised a point that when jesus(pbuh) fell on his face,he said father and ALLAH begets not nor was he begotten(agreed),brother the concept of father and sons in the bible is the relationship between the lord and his servants.I will buttress my point now,it's mentioned in the gospel of matthew 23;9-'and call no man your father upon the earth,for one is your father which is in heaven'.So tell me you don't call your dad as father,but jesus(pbuh)said don't call any man on earth as your father?Jesus(pbuh)is simply saying that call no man on earth as your lord and GOD,for there's only one who's your lord and GOD in heaven.Another point it's mentioned in the gospel of john 20;16-'jesus said unto her;touch me not for i'm not yet ascended to my father,but go to my brethren and say unto them I ascend unto my father and your /father/ and to my God and your God'.Now tell me mary magdalene is also a begotten son of God,sonship and fatherhood in the bible only means lord and his servants,hope that clarifies that.To the question about hajj,brother I quoted isaiah 2;2 not 2;3 and it says ''it shall come to pass on the last days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains and exalted above hills and all nations shall flow unto it''.Brother,now tell me that the mountain being referred to is jerusalem and not arafat in makkah,we all know all nations visit mount arafat in makkah for hajj,I will buttress it with galatians 4;22-25 read it but I will just quote verse 25 for you,it says-''for this hagar is mount sinai in arabia and corresponds to jerusalem which is now'.Can you see jerusalem has been nullified? All points proved...Peace brother

Mintayo: you should be ashamed of yourself-so u say the bible is corrupt yet,you quote from it to proof the pillars of islam? Smh...stop deluding yourself my brother;this ppl are jews;they dont follow islam...did jerimiah prayed the words you ppl say-no god except allah and mohamed is his messenger?
You ppl also pray the same words during fasting...''allah is one,he never begat and no one begat him"... Did nehemiah prayed that? Oga look elsewhere for yr proof,the last place u shld look for is the Holy Bible(d more u do this,the more i see the deceit in islam)...i wonder y u ppl love deceiving urselves!?

Jesus loves you.

Brother,we muslims recite the shahadah(there's no deity worthy of worship except ALLAH and muhammed(pbuh)is the messenger of ALLAH) because muhammed(pbuh)is the last and final messenger of ALLAH,For example,during the time of noah(pbuh),his followers also will believe in the oneness of GOD and they also believed noah(pbuh)is a messenger of ALLAh,so they have also recited the shahadah(there's no deity worthy of worship except ALLAH and noah(pbuh)is a messenger of ALLAH),that's the testimony they will bear because noah(pbuh) was their prophet.This procedure applies to all the prophets of ALLAH(peace be upon them all).To what you said about we muslims quoting from the bible,brother the bible isn't 100% GOD's word it may contain some words of GOD but not all.Consider this,Muslims have no hesitation in acknowledging that in the Bible,
there are three different kinds of witnessing recognizable without
any need of specialized training.These are:
1. You will be able to recognize in the Bible what may be described
as"The Word of God."
2. You will also be able to discern what can be described as the
"Words of a Prophet of God."
3. And you will most readily observe that the bulk of the Bible is
the records of eye witnessess or ear witnesses, or people writing
from hearsay. As such they are the"Words of a Historian"
.
You do not have to hunt for examples of these different types of
evidences in the Bible. The following quotations will make the
position crystal clear:
The FIRST Type:
(a) I will raise them up a prophet . . . and I will put my words
in ... and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command
him." (Deuteronomy 18:18)
(b) I even, I am the Lord, and beside me there is no
saviour." (Isaiah 43:11)
(c) "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the end of the earth: for I
am God, and there is non else." (Isaiah 45:22)
Note the first person pronoun singular (highlighted in green) in the
above references, and without any difficulty you will agree that the
statements seem to have the sound of being GOD'S WORD.
The SECOND Type:
(a) "Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eli, Eli, lama
sabachtani? . . ." (Matthew 27:46)
(b) "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one
Lord:" (Mark 12:29)
(c) "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There
is none good but one, that is God." (Mark 10:18).
Even a child will be able to affirm that: Jesus "cried" Jesus
"answered" and Jesus "said" are the words of the one to
whom they are attributed, i.e. the WORDS OF A PROPHET OF
GOD.
The THIRD Type:
"And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he, (JESUS) came, if
haply he (JESUS) might find anything thereon: and when he
(JESUS) came to it, (Jesus) found nothing but leaves . . ." (Mark
11:13)
The bulk of the Bible is a witnessing of this THIRD kind. These are
the words of a third person. Note the underlined pronouns. They
are not the Words of God or of His prophet, but the WORDS OF A
HISTORIAN.So if we find something that's in line with the 100% GOD's word(the Quran),we accept if it contradicts we decline and if it's neither in line nor contradicts then we leave it(won't accept nor blame it)..peace

mobi5592: .
Well, if truth be said, the guy desika has been patient instructing, answering with love and above all willing to accept a mistake (something you muslims would never do)

Now he asked a simple question: did abraham and adam perform the 5 pillar ritual of islam? Non of you could answer him. Instead you rivert to branding names.

Brother I have answered his question before,being a muslim then doesn't mean performing all the 5pillars,the most important part of the pillars of islam is tauhid(oneness of ALLAH) and all the prophets do believe in the oneness of ALLAh,the second is SOLAT(prayer),and the most important part of SOLAT is sujood(prostration)and all the prophets of ALLAH performed sujood even jesus(pbuh),all of them observe the fasting(not necessary in the month of ramadan)and all do give charity.But prophet muhammed(pbuh)is the last and final messenger of ALLAH,and ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-maidah 5;3-'today,i have perfected your religion for you,completed my favors upon you and chosen islam for you as religion'.So ALLAH perfected his religion and gave prophet muhammed(pbuh) and his followers the 5 daily prayers,all the prophets were muslims...that's the answer...Peace brother.

alexis: Water and Atom are analogies for you to understand the God-Head, it appears you ignored the Atom and concentrated on the water. That is good enough for me because I don't expect you to BELIEVE it but you UNDERSTAND it. Christians believe in ONE GOD. The idea of Christians having 3 Gods is blasphemy.

There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. ... The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.

I don't need to say more

Then explain the concept of trinity? Just explain,I haven't find a christian to explain that to me.

deSika: oboye! see what i missed. just a few days away.

anyways i wud like to say thanks you all for your wonderful contributions. yes this includes the derailers, accusers and the off topics. thanks once again

but one thing i would love to confirm is this:
has any muslim being able to answer the op
as in show us where and how early muslims worshipped their God. how they engaged the 5 pillars of islam.

thanks once again. love you all

Brother,i have answered all your questions just go back and check the thread.Let me proof the 5pillars of islam from the bible
(1)Shahadah(oneness of God)-deuteronomy 6;4,mark 12;29.
(2)SOLAT(prayers)nehemiah 8;4-6,exodus 31;8,numbers 20;6,genesis 17;3,matthew 26;39,revelation 7;11.
(3)Zakat-mark 12;41
(4)Fasting-Jeremiah 36;9
(5)Hajj-isaiah 2;2,galatians 4;22-25
Feel free to read my posts about your questions....Peace brother.

adisa_segun: If you think my level of reasoning is too low, and you know you have higher level of reasoning, can you tell me how many people have been pardoned before been prosecuted for another sin in Saudi Arabia? You called your religion the religion of peace, your fellow muslims are killing all over the world. If ask any boko haram member why they are killing, they will tell you they are fighting Jihad, is Jihad in the Holy Bible? Is it not in your qurran? If you are condemning boko haram that means you are condemning islam because islam is a religion of war.

Brother,there's nothing like holy war in islam.If you don't understand the concept of JIHAD,just don't take words from the media or what people do say.The arabic word 'JIHAD' means to strive and to struggle.The arabic word for 'holy war' cannot be found in a single verse of the quran.ALLAH commanded every muslim to carry out,strive and struggle in the way of ALLAH with your wealth and your life.During the lifetime of our beloved prophet muhammed(pbuh),the common type of jihad then was fighting,most of all the wars muhammed(pbuh)participated in was in self defence.As ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-baqarah 2;190-192-'and fight in the way of ALLAH those who fight you,but transgress not the limits.Truly,ALLAH likes not the transgressors.And kill them wherever you find them,turn them out where they have turned you out.And al fitnah is worse than killing.And fight not with them at al masjid al-haram unless they first attacked you there.But if they attack you,then kill them.Such is the recompense of disbelievers.But if they cease,then ALLAH is oft-forgiving most merciful'.So the above verses are telling muslims to fight in self defence,tell me what's wrong with that? Killing of innocent human beings is forbidden in islam,as ALLAH said in the glorious quran surah Al-maidah 5;32-'if anyone kills a single innocent human soul,it will be as if he has killed the whole of humanity and if anyone saves a single human soul,it will be as if he has saved the whole of humanity'.To your about committing a sin in saudi arabia,brother saudi arabia is the country with the lowest number of rape and robbery,why? It's very simple,they implemented the sharia law for example,take the sharia law that says every rapist should be put to death.If every woman is to put on the full Hijab,leaving only her hands up to the wrists,and the eyes for sight and the sharia law is implement,what will happen to the rate of rape? Increase,decrease or remain the same? The answer is obvious,it will surely decrease.In islam,implement the laws of the sharia and you will definitely get the result,hope that answers your question brother...Peace

sakaguchi: For being a moslem, your ignorance is shocking and unseating. Zaynab was the wife of Mohammed foster son Abdul As.
Mohammed other wife Hafsah, the daughter of Umar was a widow of one of his deceased soldier.
It is interestingly pathetic that Mohammed wanted divorcing Sawdah because she was too old. The poor woman had to relinquish her time-table of conjugal with the prophet to still remain his wife. So, on the day Moh'd is suppose to see Sawdah, he slept with Aisha instead.
Men, you need to study arabic well and read your qur'an yourself, stop relying on your lying and terrorist inclined Imams.

No point in what you made,aisha(ra) was the daughter of abu bakr(ra),he gave her in marriage to prophet muhammed(pbuh).All what you said has nothing to do with the quran,i need proof from sahih hadiths.The quran is the word of ALLAH not the biography of prophet muhammed(pbuh),better go and study the seerah of muhammed(pbuh)....Peace

sakaguchi: You have to say something please! Following your logic in justifying polygamy, what would women in the world's most populous country do?

Brother,if there's a situation where men outnumbered women,then men should visit neighbouring countries to marry women.I need references for what you said in china,i haven't found one..Peace

alexis: I think you are getting me wrong. We have a saying here - "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck this it must be a DUCK". BOko Haram, Ansaru, Al Qaelda, and numerous others are by-products of Islam. Even if we don't use them; the life of prophet Mohammed is another example. I will stop there for now.

Replying you as like a waste of time because your level of reasoning is very low...Grow up brother,go learn about Islam

sakaguchi: Mister! I didn't condemn the many wives Moslem marry, I condemned the fact that Mohammed had way more than 4 wives and he is preaching otherwise to his followers. It is good of all I wrote, this is the only one you could try to rise up to. Well, I don't follow your logic in that India example you just gave, for instance, in China, due to the one child policy, female foetucide has increased, this has resulted in China having far many men than women, following your logic, would you proffer that every chinese woman marry more than one husband?

Brother,but most countries in the world have a higher number of females more than males I haven't about what you said in china,so I can't say anything about it for now.

Mintayo: Not only Him,it is common to all of them...twisting and derailing.

I have told you brother,go and read the thread from the beginning I replied to every point desika raised.

sakaguchi: And also that Mohammed married wives of his dead soldiers but forbade Moslems from marrying any of his wives after his death

No point,come here with proofs and citations.Don't come here and post rubbish.

alexis: I don't expect you to believe in the Godhead. Let me give you an example, perhaps basic physics will assist

An Atom comprises of:

1. Proton
2. Neutron
3. Electron

Do you understand that?

Water has several states

1. It can freeze
2. Vapourize
3. be liquid

These are basic examples of the nature of elements

Nice attempt alexis,but you failed to realised that as water is changing form(solid-liquid-gas),the components of water is not changing.It's made up of two molecules of hydrogen and one molecule of oxygen,and this is constant through out all the three states of water.Let's analysis the concept of trinity,God-the father,God-the son and God-the holy spirit.Christians do agree that these three entities are one,but as the components of trinity is changing so is the form changing.God-the father is immortal and requires no food,the son is mortal and requires feeding,the holy spirit doesn't even exists.I may agree that the form is changing but the components shouldn't change if you want to compare it to water.Water changing form but components remains the same,trinity changing both form and components,both are not comparable.Try another one brother...Peace

sakaguchi: They can also explain that despite his stand that women should cloth themselves, his love for women is unsurpassed by any before him. He envisaged that heaven has virgins with breast as firm as melons. He also foresaw every muslim grinding 72 virgins in heaven.

Brother,why talking out of ignorance? You are so dull that you can't admit that solomon(pbuh) has 700 wives and 300 concubines(1kings1;3),abraham(pbuh) and david(pbuh) has more than one wife,the religion that said 'marry only one wife' is islam.Point a verse in the bible where christians are told to marry only one wife,you are just following the western culture.If you don't know,let me enlighten you the issue of polygamous marriage,ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-nisa 4;3-'and if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans girls then marry women of your choice,two or three or four,but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them,then marry only one,that's nearer to prevent you from doing injustice'.If we analyse logically,they are more women than men in the world today,for example in india alone there are 5million females more than males,so if you said one man to one woman,there will still be over 6million women who won't have husbands.So there's two choices left,it's either you marry a man with one wife or you become a public property(prostitute),which one is better brother? First or second? Answer that yourself.Hope you can see islam doesn't degrade women,we respect them...peace brother.

zig2ryme04: the more christians argue with non-christians, the more their heart is hardened. the god of this world hath blinded their eyes.
you need someone to sit you down and explain all these to you before you can understand. the things of God are foolishness unto man.
i can show you so many mistakes from the quran, but what i will only show you is that Jesus Loves you and He doesn't want you to perish.

Seriously,I thought you have something reasonable to say,but you just posted nothing.Brother,if you don't understand the quran,doesn't mean the quran is contradictory.Next time,read the quran with a clear heart,not with that conflict approach of yours,I promised you insha allahu that you will fall in love with islam..Peace

adisa_segun: If islam is a religion everybody must practice, all of us must have died by now, because according to islam every sinner must be prosecuted, and all of us are sinners including your so called prof. muhammed if he is still alive ( adultery, fornication and killer during the war ) so I can't blame boko haram sha, because they are doing what muhammed did when he was alive

Brother,I think you have a higher level of reasoning but who just proved me wrong.To your question ALLAH said in many places in the glorios quran that he's the oft-forgiving,most merciful like in surah Al-baqarah 2;192-'if they cease,then ALLAH is oft-forgiving,most merciful.Many other places like that in the quran,ALLAH only hate those who committed sins and doesn't repent,they continue in their doom and has no remorse for what they are doing then,ALLAH announces to them a painful torment for what they used to do.It's reported in a sahih hadith where prophet muhammed(pbuh) said;ALLAH said my slave has committed sins but he knows he has a lord(ALLAH) who forgives sins and punishes.If you don't know about islam,don't talk about islam..Peace

druid06: Yes, the Bible is filled with stories and horrors such as wars and I accept that. No lie. But the part you're missing is that there's two part of the Bible, the one we inherited from the old and the new testament. The new testament, Jesus came and changed our mindset. In the old testament, it was an eye for an eye and in the new testament, HE preached about turning the other side of your cheek if slapped and loving your neighbor and your enemy equally. He preached about peace and unity. We the Christians have disgarded most part of the old testament but it's still there to teach us of a time when things were different. And to answer your Question, YES the Bible is Holy.

Contradicting parts of the Quran includes;

According to verse 4:119-120, Satan (the rejected one) is the one who creates false desires and misleads people. Refer also 15:42. However, according to verse 16:93, it is God who leaves people astray as He wills! So who is misleading people, Satan or Allah

While one verse in the Quran says that both Evil and Good issue from Allah, the very next verse says only Good comes from Allah!

In the Quran we learn that it is Allah who has to be blamed for all the misguidance. While other verses hold man himself responsible for the wrongs done.

In one verse of the Quran All says un-believes would be forgiven and in another part says un-believers would be persecuted... So many more!

Brother,if you don't understand the quran doesn't mean the quran is contradictory the first point you raised,satan has no power over anybody,he only whispers bad things it's the person who decides to listen and yield to it.ALLAH has given everybody freewill to choose between right or wrong it's a decision.The moment you choose between the right and the wrong then ALLAH increases your strengthen on that path and satan makes your bad deeds seem good to you.That's why ALLAH said he sent astray whom he wills and guides whom he wills.Directly or indirectly,ALLAH put guidance in everyone's heart everybody is born to submit his/her Will to ALLAH,you may influenced by your environment or parents.To another point raised,ALLAH said in the glorious quran surah Al-ankabut 29;2-3-'do people think that they will be left alone because they said we believe,and Will be not be tested?.And indeed we tested those who were before them.And ALLAH will certainly make it known the truth of those who are true and will certainly make it known the falsehood of those who are liars'.So if any evil befalls man,it's a test from ALLAH to know how strong that person's faith is,when bad befalls man,then he should bear it patiently because it's a test and good is coming,that's my little explanation...Peace brother,and I need quotations of your verses

olumidazz: @lanrelanx pls what promise did mohammed promise you given the revelation Allah handed down to him cos I just read in ur post that u said Allah promised you. Kindly educate me. Thank you.

Brother,ALLAH said in the glorious quran surah As-saff 61;7-9-'and who does more wrong than one who invents a lie against ALLAH while he is being invited to islam? And ALLAH guides not the people who are zalimun(polytheists and disbelievers),they intend to put out the light of ALLAH's religion with their mouths.But ALLAH will bring his light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it.He is he who has sent his messenger(muhammed(pbuh)) with guidance and the religion of truth to make it victorious over all other religions even though the disbelievers hate it'.In the above verses,ALLAH has promised to perfect his religion no matter the hatred of disbelievers, even if we muslims failed to carry out the work ALLAH doesn't need me nor brother ayenny nor anybody to perfect his deen.ALLAH will gives guidance to whom he wills...Peace brother.

soft-touch:
Another assumption.
You are making me to belief Desika the more.

I ask a question with neutral mind, you responded with more attack on Bible u dont even know if i believe in it.

Brother,I will advise you to read the read from the beginning I replied to every question of desika.Don't just come here and jump into conclusion.