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tintingz: [size=17pt]Confusion Part2[/size]

GOD BEGOT DAVID IN OT BIBLE ---> AND HE BEGOT ANOTHER SON IN NT BIBLE ---> AND HE IS THE ONLY BEGGOTEN SON OF GOD AFTER HE HAD MANY SONS BEFORE?

Christians are so CONFUSED when did God turn to a baby papa? Subhannallah!!

Subhanallah brother,glorify and exalted is our LORD far above all the evils that associated with him.Just fed up with their claims......Peace

alexis: Dude - I have pointed out the difference between BEGOTTEN AND ONLY BEGOTTEN. No other person/character in the Bible is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of God except Jesus. So, twist it how much you want - it doesn't change the fact that Jesus if the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD.

John 3:16 === For God so loved the world, that he gave his [size=15pt]only begotten Son[/size], that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

Psalms 2: 7 === I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

You will have to be blind to see that BEGOTTEN and ONLY BEGOTTEN have two different meanings.

I rest my case. In between, can you explain a subject to me in Isalm. The Surah of Succession!

I never argued with you that another person was given the title ONLY BEGOTTEN[/b]as your bible claim.Only Jesus was called that according to some bibles.The meaning of [b]BEGOTTEN[/b]you explained is for abraham(pbuh)a man,not God.Everyone is a begotten son of his father.If Jesus is [b]ONE AND ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD,then nobody should be called [b]BEGOTTEN OF GOD[/b]again,but david was called that.That's my point,but it seems you guys are getting me wrong.No need arguing with you again,continue with that belief of yours.My Lord begets not nor was he begotten.It doesn't befit the majesty of the creator of the heavens and earth to beget a son.Are you talking about Surah As-saffat 37;165-166?........Peace

deSika: Funny how when muslims cannot refute a claim they resort to calling it "silly claims"

1. U think that the presence of 'thier' in deut 18:18 makes it difernt from deut 17:15 then i showed you deut 18:15 where 'thy' is used. [you have not said anythinng about deut 18: 15]

2. I asked you to show me where Arabs are mentioned in the bible as brethren to Isreal [you have not answered]

3. I dont remember Muhammad going to Isreal to carry out prophetic duties there or was he supposed to be a prophet to the jews inabsentia. If Muhammad was the prophesied prophet like Moses. Moses was a prophet to the jews a prophet like him should also be a prophet to the jews too. Was he a prophet to the jews from Saudi Arabia

I wud oblige you to answer the above and others from my earlier posts before we go on to other verses. Dont worry i will answer your questions shortly. It doesnt make sense that we just abandon one verse (a verse that you yourself brought) just like that and move on to another.

So going on to answer you on who the prophet is in deut 18:18 and john 1:25

By now it should be clear that deut 18:18 uses same "among thy brethren" as deut 17:15 does for king. Therefore this helps us to understand that since a king should come from among the 12 brothers then the prophet should come from among the 12 brethren too. This is what among thy brethren means. Yes it means among yourselves, the 12 of you.

So moving on
You may want to say that the prophet being a jew would have been any other jewish prophet before Jesus came. But if we engage in a little reasoning we will get a clearer picture of the whole thinng

1. First, we discover that these jews were asking fellow jews whether they were the expected prophets. If they were expecting non jewish prophets they would not be asking jews. Do you understand

2. Secondly, the fact that these people were still asking about the expected prophet tells us that the expected prophet had not yet come. Ooch. This is so very important for you to know. If the expected prophet had come they would not be asking about him again. THIS ELIMINATES EVERY OTHER JEWISH PROPHET WHO CAME BEFORE JESUS AS BEING FIT TO BE THE EXPECTED PROPHET

3. Now lets read a testimony about Jesus in the bible. John 6: 14

John 6: 14 kjv
Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

So there you have it. Jesus is the prophet.
Phew! O boy its not easy typing all these things o and in the end, these guys will still not accept the truth shown. O God help us all

Your problem is very conc.They asked their fellow Jews about three people that were prophesied in their scriptures.Does their scripture arranged these people accordingly? No,they asked John,the baptist(pbuh)about the first one,he said he wasn't elijah.They asked him about the second person,He said he wasn't the CHRIST.Then finally,the third person THE PROPHET,He said he wasn't either.How can THE PROPHET be CHRIST[/b]again when [b]CHRIST[/b]has already been mentioned? Can't you reason at all?
That's the reason [b]THE PROPHET is another person entirely different from ELIJAH AND CHRIST.That's the reason I referred you to the prophecy in deuteronomy 18;18-19,where God promised moses(pbuh) to raise a Prophet from among THEIR BRETHREN[/b]unto like moses(pbuh).Meaning [b]THE PROPHET promised will be similar to moses(pbuh).
I don't even know your problem,why can you nullify all other Jewish prophets after Moses(pbuh) and decided to choose Jesus(pbuh)only? If you choose Jesus(pbuh) because he was Jew and prophet and Moses(pbuh)was also a Jew and a Prophet,then Jesus is similar to moses,where do you put all other Jewish prophets after Moses(pbuh)?John,the
Baptist,Joshua,etc(peace be upon them all)? They also fit into the prophecy because they were Jews and also a Prophet like Jesus.But the prophecy singled out a Prophet unto like Moses(pbuh),and I took my time to give you all the similarities between Muhammed(pbuh) and Moses(pbuh),that makes both of them very similar.I prove to you how the arabs where the brethren of the jews,you ignored it.It's not a must you accept,see you next time.
Salam alaikum.....Peace

alexis: Man - people can be confused oh! I don't even know how to address you any-more; lol. In someways, I don't blame you. The president of Nigeria has the same problem with some muslims. That is why the army is in parts of the North now. You guys say one thing and does another.

I am a son of God - alexis is begotton of God, I am not the ONLY BEGOTTEN of God. I am NOT the ONE and ONLY of God. I wasn't with God when he made the heavens and earth. I wasn't with God when he spoke the world into existence. THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD WAS WITH HIM - JESUS THE CHRIST.

I am a creature, I was made, I was begotten as a son of God through adoption and not by inheritance. JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN, HE WASN'T MADE. HE MANIFESTED HIMSELF AS HUMAN AND TOOK THE ROLE AS A SON.

Islam is spiritual so you can't see such basic Christian beliefs. Your prophet and even your Allah can't understand it. That is why the God in the Bible and your Allah are different. Imagine you teaching me about my faith, you tell me that Christians holy book is corrupt but you quote from the same corrupt book to make your twisted point.

Na wa oh!

Mister,you have big faults.Why giving yourself the title begotten[/b]in order to cover your flaws.Nowhere in the bible does it call christians the [b]BEGOTTEN SONS OF GOD.But you said that in order to argue that david is not BEGOTTEN.I have no problem If you call yourself Son of GOD,but brother BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD is wrong.Your problem is that you don't wanna admit you are wrong,that's one thing about you.The word BEGOTTEN appears in the KJV bible only twice,my question is direct If Jesus is the ONE AND ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,then the word BEGOTTEN shouldn't be used for another person except Jesus who's the ONE AND ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.But the word BEGOTTEN was used for david,that's my point.If you can't answer,then forget about it.I don't who's blind and confused now.In Islam,we don't comprehend baseless points.....Peace

highyo: This is the right time for you because tomorrow might be too late
He will judge the world.
but by then it will be too late to give your life to him
I have heard many testimonies about many muslims ending up in hell all just they fails to believe the truth
No one can enter into the Kingdom of God except trough Jesus
He is the Gate
No one can Get to the father except trough Him
I know you may say this, Can 1.5Billions of Muslim be wrong and only you be right?
well Noah alone was right and the whole world were wrong and they all perished
If you believe the story of Noah, Then you Must believe the word of God (Bible)
1John 2:22 If any one said Jesus in not the son of God, He is a liar and an antichrist. He has not believed in God
This might be your last chance, because when you died withou Christ, it will be too late
Pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to show you the truth, before is too late. when you died it will be too late.
even if The lord sent you back to the world, you know Islam corpse does not spend a day?
You would have being buried by then, then you will die again

Lolz,you just start your mission.Why all those lies before? Liars are doom in the bible.Have you ever been to hell before? How come you heard testimonies of muslims in hell? The bible contains a bulk of words of historians.....Peace

alexis: Oga, we are not in an English class - neither are we trying to comprehend semantics. John 3:16 and Psalms 2:7 are talking about two different characters and the relationship God has with each

JESUS - ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD OR ONE AND ONLY SON OF GOD
DAVID - BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD OR SON OF GOD
ALEXIS - BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD OR SON OF GOD

If you are confuse, take the KJV and NIV version. It will make it clear to you.

So Brother,you are also a 'begotten son' now?? See your words

as opposed to believers who are God's sons and
daughters through faith.
Don't misuse that word 'begotten' bro,my question is very straightforward,if Jesus is ONE AND ONLY BEGOTTEN SON,then the word BEGOTTEN shouldn't be used for any other person again in the bible.But God said HE BEGOT DAVID,meaning david is also a begotten son.That's a contradiction then.....Peace

alexis: Please show me where it said David is the ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD

I never in any posts said david was the only begotten son fo God.You said ''BEGOTTEN IS A TRANSLATION AND IT SIMPLY MEANS ONE AND ONLY ONE''.Then I said the same word 'begotten' was used for david in psalms 2;7,if your begotten means the above for jesus christ,then it applies to both jesus and david.....Peace

alexis: These scholars huh - lol . So, when it comes to supporting your baseless points - YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. Later, when we talk about Christ deity, you deny the Bible and say it is corrupt - Omo you are funny.

Again, begotten is a translation - it simply means "ONE AND ONLY ONE". So, if the word "Begotten" is in KJV and is not in NIV doesn't make it any less different. Both concur that Jesus is the ONE & ONLY SON of GOD.

Omo, your Quran falls under the same rules - once an original word is translated to another language - you have to understand the genesis of the word. So, your Quran is no different. Your first Caliph burnt the first Qurans that was in circulation - Yusuf Ali Quran is heavily commented, with comments inserted between the Surahs and not even in the foot-notes.

So, you have no point mate. When you read a book - you are reading what the AUTHOR believes - not what a scholar tells you.

Brother,If KJV and NIV concur jesus is one and only one son,they also concur david is one and only one son.The same word 'begotten' was used in both cases.You have no point bro.The quran is one,the arabic is the same.Where's your proof that the first calipha of Islam burnt all the quran in existence then?
Now you agreed we must look at the root of words when translating to another language when trying to prove your begotten,but you never agreed with the word 'summa' when I was proving the creation of the universe.Why the bias mind?.Provide the hebrew bible or greek bible then..........Peace

alexis: So, you by-passed everything I wrote to you and ignored it abi? That proves you concur - no yawa!.

I have explained to you the meaning of "Only Begotton". If the word is absent from one translation and present in another one - Does that make it false? For example - "Only Begotten" is in KJV and the "Only Son" is in NIV. Those that mean they are different - NO!.

The Quran has been translated by many muslims scholars, Yusuf Ali, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Even though the words in several Qurans are not the SAME in most Qurans, the theme is the same.

So, you have no point. -

In regards david - David is/was NOT "THE ONE AND ONLY" OR "ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD". Only Jesus Christ is

I never concur to baseless points and lies.These scholars said this word 'begotten' has no basis in the hebrew bible that it was a fabrication by some people,this has nothing to with translations of the bible.The arabic quran is the same throughout the world,no difference.Only translations may be different through the usage of words.That's why you will always see the arabic quran along with its translation.
If jesus was GOD's one and only begotten son,there shouldn't be any other person called Begotten son,but david was called that.We may have sons of God as you explained,but not any other begotten son if jesus was to be one and only.Hope you understand the meaning of 'one and only'?.....Peace

highyo: I TRAVEL TO MECCA AND CAME BACK TO BECOME A PASTOR
My name is Ali, I beat my wife every day, she still has marks on her body from where I beat her, I could not help myself. As I talk about my weaknesses, I feel ashamed. I beat her daily. My wife and children were fully humiliated, but it was beyond my control. At times,, I will spend a month at times a year outside, not to harm them. I spent my money on drinking at times I sit to watch other family, how their father cares for them, but I could not imitate them.
I was a very devoted Muslim. I later quit drinking, and then I decided to move to Saudi Arabia, because I was told there is no selling of alcoholic there. Then I became very devoted Muslim in Saudi Arabia.
After year, I decide to go to Hajj. We reach Mecca by sunset and entered the Ka’aba. After going around the Ka’aba, evening prayers were performed; I became a Muslim devoted to this religion and a real pilgrim. Now I am going to live peacefully with my family I thought. Allah has accepted my prayers. That night, I slept outside because it was too hot in the tent. Suddenly, I saw a white shining man who asks me to go with him. Who is this? It was Isa, He ask me to follow him that I belong to him. He touched my head and ask me to depart from here. I do not belong there. When I woke up, the voice keeps warning me to depart from there, that I do not belong there. Then I rushed into the tent to woke my friend and told them about the dream, but they said, It is not possible to see Isa here, but the voice keep talking to my. I was not sleeping.
I decide to sleep again but the voice said, Ali, you do not belong here, leave that place now. You will not make this pilgrimage. I could not sleep, then I went into my car to sleep. The next morning my friend saw me in the car, they asked why and I told them Jesus keep talking to me, then we all concluded it was a bad night, that we should go to MINA. I set to go with them that morning then again, the voice ask me not to go to the pigramage. Then I rushed back to Akba, and rushed back home.
Many people came to welcome me, they were many, then I rose up and told them what happened to me. No one believed me, because no one can become a christain in Saudi Arabia. They all laugh at me that I has started drinking again. when other people left, I told my wife the whole story, I begged her for her forgiveness, and promise never to strike her again. Then I started crying. She was very surprised and agree join my new religion
People were very surprised for the new changes in me.for more than two years, I could not find a single christain in my country. So I was very disturbed, I never even came across bible, despite all my effort, so one day, I tuned my Radio, I heard a chistain message, then I worte down the station number, then they sent me a bible. I read the whole bible since then, My life changed totally, when I started living according to the bible. Christ is the true savior, and only him can give salvation, accept him today

Well prepared lies,even If you are trying to call people to christianity,not this way na.How did you know it was jesus(pbuh)you saw in your dream? Have you ever seen him before or you think those pictures christians put in their homes is jesus?Lolz,Maybe you saw benfica's coach or sevilla's winger jesus navas.....Peace

alexis: Dude - read your explanation about who was the 1st muslim and the number of days the world was created in the Quran. Then compare it with what the Quran said. After that - come back and tell me who gave meaning to what.

Thank you for the meaning of Begotton, I see you emphasized on the procreation part of the word. Even though you are right, the context of the word can be used as "Bring into Existence", "Give Rise to", "Bring About". These are all legitimate English meanings of the word - Begotton - You agree?

The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten." So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions

1. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship" This is the meaning attached to its use in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son." Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant.

2. The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16. In fact, John is the only New Testament writer who uses this word in reference to Jesus (see John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus was the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses this word to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters through faith.

So,stop trying to disprove Jesus status. These are simple facts your prophet couldn't understand. I don't blame him - he was an illiterate. You on the other hand you appear to be educated but RESOLVED to follow an illiterate. Now, aint that something

Dude,you haven't answer the question,you just give it a try.Why did these christian scholars of the highest eminence throw out the word 'Begotten' from the bible? Read the revised standard version yourself.I wasn't the one that revised the bible,these people did and they agreed begotten is a fabrication,a concoction.They removed that word,aren't they knowledgeable more than you? Secondly,what group of your explanations does david falls into? He was also a begotten son of God(Psalms 2;7),second I think.Should I tell other GOD's first borns in your bible?
I'm not disputing,it's the bible that's saying different things about Him....Peace

alexis: A man that twist his own Quran has become a scholar in Christianit[/b]y Let ask you something - what is the meaning of begotten? While you are at it, read [b]Hebrews 11:17 for some insight

Who twist the quran? I never in any of my posts twist the quran,I tried to explain to you but it seems you don't understand,that's why you think I twisted it.
Begotten means to procreate,to generate offsprings,to originate[b]

alexis: A man that twist his own Quran has become a scholar in Christianit[/b]y Let ask you something - what is the meaning of begotten? While you are at it, read [b]Hebrews 11:17 for some insight

Who twist the quran? I never in any of my posts twist the quran,I tried to explain to you but it seems you don't understand,that's why you think I twisted it.
Begotten means to procreate,to generate offsprings,to originate[/b]

alexis: A man that twist his own Quran has become a scholar in Christianit[/b]y Let ask you something - what is the meaning of begotten? While you are at it, read [b]Hebrews 11:17 for some insight

Who twist the quran? I never in any of my posts twist the quran,I tried to explain to you but it seems you don't understand,that's why you think I twisted it.
Begotten means to procreate,to generate offsprings,to originate

Mintayo: u are d one confuse here...again the commandment won't take u to heaven...it is been born-again; being born of the spirit and water(the word)!
Now, d rich man said 'good teacher'- he called Jesus good teacher and Jesus corrected Him!
And he asked,what shall i do to have eternal life...Jesus told him to obey d commandments but he said he has been doing that...THEN JESUS TOLD HIM TO SELL ALL HIS BELONGING AND GIVE THEM TO THE POOR AND FOLLOW HIM-note the word-"follow me"- but d man cldn't-HE THOUGHT GOOD DEEDS AND OBEYING THE COMMANDMENTs ALONE(of which he has nt been obeying) WILL TAKE HIM TO HEAVEN BUT NO,IT WON'T!
(pls read d whole chapter dnt pick verses dt suits ur LIES!)
John 3:16
For God so loved the world,that He gave His only begotten Son; Whosoever believe in Him,will not perish but have everasting life!

If u want a better understanding read d book of romans!
Jesus said in John 5:39-40.
You search the scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the scriptures points to me!
40. Yet you refused to come to me to recieve this Life.

We are saved and redeemed because of the finished work of Jesus Christ!
You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free!

Brother,If jesus is God in Human form as you claim,then you shouldn't have rejected the man calling him 'good',but he objected and said 'There's none but good except one(GOD).He denied his divinity there.'Follow him' doesn't change anything,ALLAH said in many places in the quran that obey ALLAH and obey his messenger.Jesus told the man to follow him doesn't signify that the man keeping the commandments won't take him to heaven.
Brother,the word 'BEGOTTEN' has been thrown out of the bible.If you read the revised standard version(RSV) of the bible,revised by more than 13 christians scholars of the highest eminence said this word 'BEGOTTEN' is a fabrication,a concoction and throw it out of the bible,but other sellers such king james version still retain the fabrication.Even jesus wasn't the only begotten son of your bible,david was also one(psalm 5;7)

Mintayo: don't mind him...so ignorant so pathetic...smh
He needs salvation!

Lolz,bird of a father.Two confused souls,mintayo changing the words of jesus(pbuh).Jesus said 'why did you call me good'.Most christians I had a dialogue with admit this,but mr mintayo said jesus meant the other way round,mintayo said he meant good deeds won't take the man to heaven.Jesus said 'keep the commandments'.Brother mintayo said keeping the commandments won't take you to heaven.Changing words to suite your claims,confused and ignorant people....Peace

Mintayo: really? Then another form of adolatory then!



i guess so many won't feature in ur paradise then...another difference btw allah n christain God!
I can do good deeds,as long as it surpasses my bad deeds;but d state of my heart doesnt matter,neither does my sinful nature counts!

.

Good,another difference again!
I can do all d above. Again so many ppl wnt make ur paradise including muslims...do good deeds but u can go on sinning!
E.g an Alhaji cn go on 2 sponsor terrorists and distribute money to d poor-he l find himself in ur paradise?
No wonder d place is full of a many 'unrighteous' things-(virgins 4 terrorists...wine etc)u l go 2 a paradise wit a sinful nature?


haaa...cherry-picking d bible again!


oga...u r wrong sir!
Jesus was telling d man dt good deeds cant take u to heaven(nt paradise); He also make d man understand dt 'keeping d commandments wnt take u too heaven either!
So u r wrong again...since u love reading d Bible so much;mayb u shld try and read it 'openmindedly' not with a biased or poison heart dt u have!

Now let me show u d way to God's kingdom!
John 3:3
3. Jesus replied, " i tell you the truth,unless you are born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God."
verse 5-6 says
5. Jesus replied,"i assure you,no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit!
6. Humans can produce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life,

you see that;being born again means you are born of God-u v given ur life 2 God through Jesus b born of Spirit: God is a Spirit and u must worship him in d Spirit!

When someone is in Christ,He is a new creature,old things(sinful body or nature)has pass away,all things(new spirit) are becoming new!

John 1:12-13
but to all who believed Him and accepted Him,He gave the right to become children of God.
They are reborn-not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan,but a birth that comes from God!

God does not deal with the body but our spirit!
The criteria to ur paradise differs from dt of christains!

I pray ur eyes will be open to the truth...and u will c d Love of God through Jesus!

Ha,I was right.You can't reason at all,no need replying you.You have been brainwashed big time,you don't think before posting,not your faults sha.Do you even know what articles of faith mr lamelliform head?

Mintayo: loool...y nt answer it urself seems u knw much!
I am still waiting for d answer anyways...smh for d lies u ppl v been telling ursefs!

Mtcheew,I don't reply people that can't comprehend simple things,brainwashed heads because if I explain it to you,you won't understand because your reasoning is damn low......Peace

Mintayo: guy answer my question nw?

He can't answer your stupid question.

lynpetra: Pls wat do they teach that .make some of them so fierce and bLoodthirsty for infidels??

Sister,Islam is against killing of innocent human beings,muslims or non-muslims.It's a great sin.Allah said in the glorious quran in surah Al-maidah 5;32-''I anyone kills a single human being,it will be as if he has killed the whole of humanity and If anyone saves a single human being,it will be as if he has saved the whole of humanity.'' Islam doesn't teach violence,those people are killing for their own selfish benefits,not for islam...Peace

lynpetra: Go thru ur post Lanre....in summary ,What you implied is that sharia law is a good way of stopping/preventing immortality

Immnortality or immorality? Yes,if for immorality.

lynpetra: Did u just support extremism?

Does that sounds like extremism? Do you even read the post or is it difficult for you to comprehend?....Peace

freecocoa: I have not even told you if I'm a Christian or not, for all you know I might be Jewish,Buddhist or whatever so stop believing that anyone who disagrees with islam is a christian, again even as a christian does that make me infallible? Being a true believer is all about knowing that you can fall, when you fall, rising up and continuing your journey, there's something called freewill and everyone is entitled to that.

From what you all have been saying about islam, its like y'all want us to believe you are perfect, as if there can and should never be a mistake in it, that's my gross, you steal, a hand is cut off, you lie, your tongue is cut off, fornicate and die for it etc, just where is the room to be human here?

Brother,Islam is perfect muslims may not be perfect,but Islam is.Why can you steal when zakat is there to eradicate poverty? If every human being gives zakat every year,there will not be a single person that will die of hunger.If zakat is given every year and some people still indulge in robbing and stealing,then the sharia law comes in.You steal,you have your hand cut off.How many citizens of saudi arabia have you seen with one of his/her hands chopped off? They implemented the sharia law,and saudi arabia is the country with the lowest rate of rape and robbery in the world.They are also among the countries with the highest standard of living.Why did you fornicate when the Hijab system is there and islam gives the permission to marry 4wives provided you can do justice among them? For example,if you see two ladies walking down a street,equally beautiful,one wearing a mini skirt and spaghetti shirt and the other lady wore the full Hijab(not scarf),leaving her eyes only,and hands up to the wrists,who will a guy tease between the two ladies?
It's obvious,if every woman dresses in the full Hijab,and then the sharia law comes in that all rapists and fornicators should be put to death,will the rate of rape and adultery increase,decrease or remain the same? It will surely decrease,implement the sharia law and definitely get the result.
Peace brother.

@mintayo,you are the most ignorant and gullible person I have ever met.I'm not even quoting you again,I thought you can reason that's why I was replying you before,it's a waste of my time.I will like to end my posts with the following quotations of the glorious Quran.


Surah Al-IMRAN 3;64-''Say O People of the scriptures(Jews and Christians)!;Come to a word that is just between us and you,that we worship now but ALLAh(alone),and that we associate no partners with Him,and that none of us shall take others as lords besides ALLAH.Then,if they turn away,say;Bear witness that WE ARE MUSLIMS(bowing our will to ALLAH)''.

Surah Al-maidah 5;18-''And both the Jews and the Christians say;We are the children of ALLAH and his loved ones.Say;why then does he punish you for your sins? Nay,you are but Human beings of those He created,He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills.And to ALLAH belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them;and to Him is the return of all''.

Surah Al-Kahf 18;102-104-''Do then those who disbelieved think they can take my slaves[i.e. Angels,prophets,saints etc]as lords and protectors besides Me? Verily,We have prepared hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers(in islamic monotheism).
Say;shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of their deeds? Those who efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds.They are those who deny the AYAT(proofs,evidences,revelations,signs,lessons,verses etc)of their Lord and the meeting with Him.So their works are in vain and on the day of resurrection,We assign no weight for them.''

Surah Al-muminoon 23;117-''And whoever invokes and worships besides ALLAH any other god(deity) of whom he has no proof,then his reckoning is only with his Lord.Surely,Al-kafirun will not be successful.''
Also in surah Al-muminoon 23;101-108.

With all these,only ALLAH gives guidance no matter how much proofs I give to you,you will never accept unless ALLAH wills.

All praises and adoration be to ALLAH,the LORD of mankind,jinns and all that exists.The master of the judgement day.Glorify and exalted is my LORD,far above all the evils that associate with Him.To Him We belong and to Him is our return.
Assalamu alaikum waramatulah wabarakatuh........Peace

deSika: so its Lanrexlans turn to flee now. dats good. taking after your friends right. after seeing the truth yu run.

it was a pleasure enlightening all yu guys.

*#~~ Desika. ......presenting commonsense wisdom and truth

Lolz,flee from what? I'm asking you about gospel of john 1;25,you can't reply.I also asked who was propheised in deuteronomy 18;18-19,you start up some stupid claims,you can't differentiate between determiners.......Peace

mintayo: ^^^^GRACE(we are saved by having faith in HIM) AND TRUTH.


even the devil believe that.



continue to decieve urself-u believe in Jesus BUT U DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE IS GOD(that negates mohammed),YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN; DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT IS ONLY THROUGH HIM THAT U CAN BE SAVED NOT BY killing a ram?
D devil even believ in Jesus too,so?


So falling on ur face make u follow Jesus or b a muslim? Smh.
Hindus AND PAGANS also fall on their face to worship too? Are they muslim? I prostrate to pray too,so?

John 1:12-13(NLT)
12. But to all who believe Him(Jesus) and accepted Him,He gave the right to become children of God
13. They are reborn-not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan,but a birth that comes from God.

John 10:27-28; 30. (NLT)
27. My sheep listen to my voice; i know them and they follow me.
28. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me.

Verse 30 of the same John.
The Father and I are one.

(i bet ur jesus is different from the one speaking above).



Psalm 47:1(NLT)
Come, everyone! Clap your hands!
Shout to God with joyful praise!

And i have dis question before but you dodged it-all those 'copy-cats' muslims we watch on TV that sing muslim songs,dance,claps,play drums and keyboard to muslim songs;- are they muslims or not?



Yes now,it is you...just as mohammed wasn't the founder of islam abi?smh


you have no case to rest from but u have to rest from LIES...YOU ARE LOST MY FRIEND,IT IS ONLY IN JESUS THAT YOU CAN BE SAVED!

Can't help laughing.I will analyse your ignorance again.
Firstly,the muslims you watched on tv singing and using musical instruments,are they using for worship or entertainment? You don't reason before you post,you christians beat drums and clap and call it ''PRAISE WORSHIP''.If these muslims are singing and beating drums when offering SOLAT in the mosques,then you can conclude they are using it as a form of worship,but it's not so.It's entertainment and not worship.

Secondly,you said hindus and pagans also bow,so they can be called muslims.That's a lie,when jesus(pbuh)fell on his face,he fell and worship the one true God,not idols.The same with we muslims,we fall on our faces everyday to worship the one true God.Hindus and pagans bow to idols,objects that created by themselves,that's the different bro.

Thirdly,to worship.You said psalms give the authority to clap hands and beat drums.Brother,praising God is different from worshipping Him,it may be a part of it.Worship is given in the gospel of mark 5;6 as well as other places in the bible as;
1)To adore.
2)To respect.
3)To adulate.
4)To revere.
But the meaning of worship given in gospel of luke 8;28 means ''TO FELL UPON ONE'S FACE''.

Lastly,who told you killing a ram will make muslims enter JANNAH(paradise)? The criteria to enter paradise is given in the glorious Quran in surah Al-Asr 103;1-3-''Verily,by time.Mankind is in loss.Except those who believe(islamic monotheism)and do righteous deeds and recommend one another to truth and recommend one another to patience''.These are minimum four criterias for anyone to enter paradise,they are;
1)To believe in all the six articles of faith.
2)To perform good and righteous deeds(in accordance to the sunnah and sincerely for ALLAH's sake).
3)To invite people to truth and forbid evil for them(DAWAH and ISLAH)
4)To patient and invite others to patience.
That's the criterias and jesus(pbuh)said in the bible in gospel of matthew 19;16-17-''And one came upon him and said;Good master,what good things shall I do that I will have eternal life(paradise),and jesus answered;Why did you me good? There's none but good which is one(GOD),if thou will enter into life(paradise),keep the commandments''.
Jesus(pbuh) was even humble to be call good,and he told the man that If he will enter paradise,he should keep the commandments.My question is that is 'jesus died for your sins' or 'believe in jesus as God' or 'believe in trinity' among the commandments? I challenge you point out a single equivocal statement of jesus,where jesus christ himself say;I am God or where he says worship me.....Peace

Mintayo: Good for you


I don't want to argue again with u-i have given u scriptures before but it seems u r so blind from the truth.
Jesus is God in flesh(God took the form of a man); The Holy Spirit is HIS!
Father=Son=Holy Spirit
Father + Son+ Holy Spirit=God
(pls check the meaning of manifestion is the dictionary).
God is ONE but He manifests in THREE ways(is that too hard for u to grasp?)!
1. As the Father-to all christains who have accepted Jesus i.e born-again. To show us that He love us.

2. As the Son- to save the world from the grip of sin(sinful nature);and to reconcial us to Himself/the Father-He had to come in the flesh to do that!we have to come to the Father through Him.

3. As the Holy Spirit- for fellowship-to fellowship with us,as helper, a convicter and revealer!



oga stop cherry-picking verses in the Bible(it is not quran);if u believ one,u will v to believe ALL.

John 10:30.
The Father and I are one
chapter 14:7-10
7. If you had really known me,you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know Him and have seen HIM.
you can check 8-10.

.
Don't be confused



thank God u said allah...sounds like someone limited to me. And u are d one equating somebody with God not me.
IT IS A MYSTERY


u can decide to be a slave...Godforbid,i am not a slave of allah...
I am an adopted Son/child of God through the finished work of Jesus Christ...that is why He came,to bring me to the 'family' of God!



Nah...are u sure...then we have different Jesus then
Surah 21:91.



well i believe in the ALMIGHTY(El-shadai) who is the ONLY TRUE GOD and love me so much that HE CAME DOWN TO MY LEVEL(AS HUMAN) TO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR ME AND RECONCIAL ME TO HIMSELF(HIS NATURE).
CHRISTAINITY IS AN ENCOUNTER(WITH GOD THROUGH JESUS),A CONVICTION...

The grace of our LORD JESUS CHRIST,the love of GOD and the FELLOWSHIP of the HOLY SPIRIT be with you all...2 Cor 13:14.

Jesus loves you...He died for the whole world!

Shalom

Lolz,come and see how brainwashed you are.I will analyse your ignorance one by one insha allahu.

Firstly,the verse you quoted from the quran,that of surah Al-anbiyaa 21;91 says;''And She who guarded her chastity(Mary),We breathed into the sleeves of her garments through our RUH(Gabriel),and we made her and her son a sign for mankind and jinn''.
It means a spirit(word)coming from ALLAH,not spirit of ALLAH,hope you can think.

Secondly,you said jesus(pbuh)is God in Human form,the flesh(nausoubillah).Brother,for example if I create a dvd player,do I need to become a dvd player before I can know what's good and what's bad for the dvd player? I will just write an instruction manual for the dvd player for people to follow,press play button to play it,press stop button to stop,don't throw it down it will get spoilt,don't use it in the rain,it will get damaged.
Similarly,God is our creator and He's far knowledgeable than the dvd player creator,so God doesn't need to become a human to know what's good and bad for humans,rather he will choose men amongst men(prophets)and communicate with them on a higher level through revelations,the do's and dont's for humans.The last and final instruction manual for mankind is the glorious Quran.Another view,if jesus(pbuh)is God in human form(flesh) or part of God,why did he pray? He prayed in gospel of matthew 14;23-''And when he sent the multitudes away,he went up into a mountain apart and pray''.Also in gospel of matthew 26;39.Prayer is always from a person that is submissive,dependent and in need of the creator.

Thirdly,to your john claim that Jesus said 'I and my father are one',therefore they are one single being.If you have read your bible,in gospel of john 17;21-''That they all may be one;as you,Father art in me,and I in
thee,that they also may be one in us:” (John 17:21)
“One” used in both the verses John 10:30 and John 17:21 is the
same.If you believe that 'one' used in gospel of john 10;30 means jesus and God are one single being,then you must also believe that the twelve disciples,jesus and God are one single being(14gods in one)as used in gospel of john 17;21,it's the same.The true meaning of both verses is that God is one,jesus and his disciples believed that he is one,then they have the same commonality-Oneness of God,therefore they are all one,not in flesh.Their teachings are the same.If you don't agree,then prove it to me.

Lastly,brother If I show a verse from the bible that call you a slave of God,will you admit you are one
Peace..

deSika: my threads op says Mohamed was not prophesied in the Johns gospel.
LagosShia comes in with a series of copy paste stuffs that one does not know the beginning and the end of and then off he goes. never to come back.
Vedaxcool the only person that attempts my op head on. but then runs away as he began to understand it
Thaba comes in, does not even have a SINGLE word About the op and then flees. could not muster up one rebuttal
Talktomee comes with his book of barnabas but then again as is usual of others before him flees not being able to withstand the truth.
then finally comes Lanrexlan dodging the op takes us to deutronomy instead of John. he makes his point i show him where he is wrong. he cant seem to answer some questions. wunt admit he is wrong but wants us to divert into another diversionary bla bla.

now bro. if you can accept that The prophet as well as the king both having the same criteria that is 'among thy brethen' clearly spelt out in the bible is a jew. then we can move on from there.

we have to finish with primary sxhool before advancing to secondary school. thats how sensible people discuss

just in case you are still in doubt. here are your pointers. they are taken directly from the bible. no addition
1. among thy brethren is used for both king and prophet. so both must say the same thing [jews or non jews. the king part gives us a clue to the answer]
2. arabs are not found in those texts. u r adding wats not in the bible.
3. d other usage of brethren for Isrealites are clearly spelt out. in the case of Esau its clearly mentioned. no case of arabs
4. deutronomy is a book of law to the Isrealites, for the Isrealites. therefore no very important office as prophet would be expected from non jews. if other important religous offices such as kings, priests, levites etc are exclusively jewish then prophet is not excluded

Brother,none of my muslim brothers ran away.When they noticed that it's a waste of time replying you,that's why they leave you to wander blindly in your error.All of them replied you accordingly.If it's not deuteronomy again,then answer my question about the gospel of john...Peace

alexis: You have refused to accept that CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD. No matter how much we EDUCATE you on it - you close your ears, eyes, leave your brain on your desk and still talk about Christians believing in 3 Gods.

Please consult the lost Injeel that you muslims have - I am sure it will tell you that Christians believe in ONE and only ONE GOD.

Brother,can't you just shut up for a while.You keep saying christians believe in one God,no problem.Then give praises,all adoration and worship to the one God only.But that's not the case with you christians,you always go to church and half of your worship is glorifying and praising jesus,telling him to accept your thanks and prayers,you have equalled him to God.That's what I am against,if you ask a young christian boy that who hold his future,his answer will be Jesus,where's God then? Only God knows the future,he has equated jesus to God in that manner.There's nobody co-equal to God,christians are equaling them and that's wrong.Then, they will start explaining a concept of trinity that never exists,Mtcheew.....Peace

talk2me006: TO LANRELAX!

YOU ARE REALLY WONDERFUL!
MAY ALLAH INCREASE YOUR KNOWLEDGE!
PLS DONT LET THEM WASTE YOUR TIME, PLS GO AND CONCENTRATE ON YOUR EXAM!
PLEASE NOTE THAT ALLAH WILL ALWAYS DEFEND HIS RELIGION ! NO MATTER HOW THEY TRY. ISLAM WILL CONTINUE TO SHINE THAN GOLD.

OUR OWN IS JUST TO EXPOSE THEIR YANSH TO PUBLIC!


IF AT ALL YOU WANT TO REPLY THEM, COME BAK LIKE EVRY 3DAYS AND REPLY THEIR RUBBISH.

I WISH U WELL IN YOUR EXAM .

PRAY FOR ME ALSO BECOS AM IN EXAM ALSO..
JAZAKUMULAHU KHAIRAN

Masha allahu brother,thank you very much.May ALLAH increase your knowledge and EEMAN,may HE rightly guide us to the day of QIYAMAH.Wishing you the best in your examinations,good result insha allahu....Salam alaikum my brother...Peace

deSika: nah not until yu agree that both statements having same criteria "among thy brethren" mean same thing. i want to be sure am making progress with you. as i always say am not here for arguments am here to show understanding.

does among thy brethren (prophet) and among thy brethren (king) mean same thing.

Lolz,you making progress with me? Can't help laughing,I have made detailed explanation about it,but it seems you don't want to accept arabs are brethrens of jews and no problem.Just read some of your topics and people comments about you,not that impressive.But go on and answer my question,who's the prophet in deuteronomy 18;18,it's a direct question...Peace

deSika: SMH i gues yu still have some english lessons to do.

so before yu keep deluding yourself with thy and their

i showed yu another verse. but yu overlooked it. here it is again. atleast it doesnt have 'their' to confuse yu

Deuteronomy 18:15 King James Version (KJV)
The L ORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

my friend here we have the same thy used. a king among thy brethren and a prophet among thy brethren has the same criteria which is "among thy brethren" so both must come from either non jews or only jews.

#am not here to just keep going round in arguments. am here to show something. and thats what am doing presently with you. i understand that you are a muslim ane it will be dificult for u to accept that yu are wrong. but my dear i must say atleast i have tried to explain things to you. this 'thy' issue is the main hanging point of this deut stuff. and i want yu to see it.

No more arguments o,answer the next question,the prophet is a jew abi,then who's he? Because there are many jewish prophet after moses(pbuh),don't prolong it...PEACE

Mintayo: I bet u guys even know much more than ur allah n his book sef!
see pot calling kettle black...can you reason too? Have u been reasoning? Do u too wana learn about christainity or rely on what ur 'mullahs' tell u? Is ur heart not sealed from the truth too? Funny dude...

LOLZ,can't help laughing.You are even talking brother mintayo,you of all people.You can't refute a single contradiction we raised in your bible.Let people judge whose reasoning is higher between you and me,I rest my case.Where's the truth in christianity? Jesus(pbuh)preached monotheism,not trinity.I believed in monotheism,jesus(pbuh)believed in monotheism and you believed in trinity,who's following jesus(pbuh),me or you? Jesus(pbuh)fell on his face in his worship,I do fall on my face 5times a day,you always clap and beat drums in your worship,who's following jesus(pbuh),me or you? Jesus(pbuh)wasn't the founder of christianity,I rest my case....Peace

deSika: if i told u dat i was not expecting this 'thy' and 'their' comparism i wud be lieing.

and clearly you fell for another folly.
u nid to reason well about a point before yu put it out.

now wu is 'thy' referring to
wu is 'their' referring to

are they same or differnt people

let me help yu answer
wu is thy referring to
answer Jews
wu is thier referring to
answer Jews

let me break it down for you
ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd person in English. check out a english text close to u

ok lets use 'you' instead of 'thy'. 'thy' is old english and simply means you.

if i use 'you' in a statement it means am talking directly to you(the people). if i use 'their' it means am talking to someone about the same you(the people)

clearly its the same peolpe am talking about in both cases. only that in the first place i am talking directly while in the second one i am talking to someelse about the same you.

i cant beleive am saying all this. do u wonder why i said am quite sure yu understand english in my post.

thy and thier does not change anything. we are still talking about same people isrealites.

now read this
Deuteronomy 18:15 King James Version (KJV)
The L ORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

did yu see thy in this verse.
now how do u explain this one. hehehe

Hahahahahahahaha,don't worry I understood you now.'DETERMINERS' don't matter in English language again,for example If I say 'This is HIS book' and 'This is HER BOOK'.What's 'HIS and HER' referring to,book of course but of different meaning.Same with 'thy and their',I gave you the meaning of both.You don't wanna admit and no problem about that,answer the next questions....Peace brother