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Brother talktome,leave these people alone with their brainwashed trinity,the word that never exist in the bible.Imagine,after I quoted more than 5verses of the glorious quran where it confirms the a party of the people of scriptures(Jews and Christians)threw away a good part of their scripture.But it's like your eyes are blind,you can't see your brain is sealed,you can't reason and your ears are blocked,you will never hear the word of Allah......Peace.

We muslims believed jesus(pbuh) was the messiah,no doubt about that.Let's forget about barnabas or his gospel,christians claims they don't believe him to be 100%.Let's face the scripture they believed to 100% GOD's word.In Chapter 1, verse 19 of the Gospel of John,
some Jewish priests quizzed John, the Baptist, about three people
they were informed about in their scriptures.They asked him: “Who
are you?” John confessed - he did not deny, but confessed -“I’m
not the Christ.” They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you
Elijah?” John said, “I’m not.” “Are you the Prophet?” John answered,
“No.” [John 1: 19-21] So they then asked him further: “Why do you
baptize if you aren’t the Christ, nor Elijah,nor the Prophet?” [John 1:
25]The priests were expecting three people as prophesied by their
books, so they asked about Christ, Elijah and ‘the Prophet’. So who
is ‘the Prophet’ they are referring to here?This cannot be a reference
to Jesus because he is the Christ.‘The prophet’ must certainly be
someone else. In cross referencing the Bible,we find that the
words ‘the Prophet’ which occurs in John 1: 25 refer to the prophecy
of Deuteronomy 18: 18 in the Old Testament, which also mentions a
forthcoming Prophet. According to Deuteronomy 18: 18, God
speaks to Prophet Moses and tells him that He, (God) will raise up a
new Prophet who has certain clearly defined characteristicsakin to
Moses:
“I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their
brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to
them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not
hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of
him”. (Deut.: 18: 18-19),Prophecy referring to the last and final messenger muhammed(pbuh)

Mintayo: when boko haram, alqueda,jamb kill,what do they say? (i am sure you know)-there is no other god except allah n mohammed his prophet;alahu akbar!
What about countries like iran that sponsor terrorists?
How will i study islam without studying mohammed?(and i am sure u know what he did)!
The song they sing(bokoharam n co) is that they want to islamize their nation(s)?
What i am telling u is that islam is d exposition of its prophet.the real islam is the life of mohammed-except u want to say he is not a prophet or founder of islam

Same thing goes for Jesus-His life also is what the christains follow!

Mr bolean,prophet muhammed(pbuh) isn't the founder of Islam.No prophet ever founded any religion,they all came to preach one thing-THERE's NO DEITY WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE(ALLAH).They want to islamize the nation and killing of those people will turn them to muslims? Can a dead man worship? Can't you think at all? What did prophet muhammed(pbuh) did? He fought the enemies of Islam,ALLAH and those that fought him on the account of his religion,the oppressors and transgressors.Mister,USA is the greatest terrorist in the world,do you that?!!! George washington was the number terrorist of america.

Mr bolean,I can see you are really following jesus(pbuh),he believed and worshiped only God,he bowed in his worship.He never believe in trinity,he never clap nor beat drums.Which of his teachings do you follow?....Peace

Mintayo: christain don't need muslim for anything-u ar d one that used the Bible to validate ur quran and proof that ur islam;u even try to put mohammed and allah in the bible-(when last do u see a christain put allah in d bible?)
and u say the bible is corrupt-abeg which bible u dey use to confirm mohamed? The corrupt one??

Mister,we don't need bible to validate islam or quran.If christians claim they don't believe in the quran,then at least you believe in the bible.Then we prove the truth to you from the scripture you follow,and it's none of your business if I had posted something before....Peace

CAMEROONPRIDE: So you mean, you can't present and explain your religion(Islam) without mentioning Christianity?

How so? How do you know the guys insulting your religion is Christian? Do you know the amount of abuses Christian receive? What if they say all the offenders are Muslim?
As for Muslim who doesn't insult Jesus my guys Jesus is not the only one in Christianity , you may respect Jesus, but I have seen several times your lots rubbish the bible, insulting Mary etc, so don't try to play the innocent victim.

Brother,no muslim will ever insult mary(pbuh).The best women in the entire world are four and she's the number one,we respect her ALLAH chose her as the greatest woman that ever lived.Are you new on nairaland,maybe you haven't see different thread insulting islam.We don't need bible to validate the Quran,after telling christians about islam and quran,they will intend they don't believe in the Quran,at least they believed in their bible to be 100% GOD's word,Then we prove to them from the book they believed in.Allah has perfected Islam for us,we need nothing again...Peace

To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the
context of the verse itself in the Qur'an. Let us first examine the
full verse:
"[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with
you,so strengthen those who have believed.I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieved,so strike [them] upon
the necks and strike from them every fingertip.That is because
they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever
opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed,Allah is severe in
penalty." [Anfal 8:12-13]
That is the context of the verse in the Qur'an. The historical
context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a
battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to
destroy the Muslims of Madinah.The Pagans of Makkah had an
army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers.
The Prophet Muhammad ((peace be upon him)) and his followers
had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the
city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah,
they found that they were once again threatened by Makkans and
have to defend themselve.It is clear from the below verse that
the Makkans were fighting against Allah,His Messenger and Islam
"There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that
met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah,the
other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice
their number.But Allah doth support with His aid whom He
pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to
see." [Qur'an: Al-i-Imran 3:13]
The Makkans were not satisfied with expelling the Muslims from
Makkah and subsequently desired that they be purged from the
surroundings of all major trade routes.So God supported the
Muslims and informed them that God would allow justice to
prevail over oppression. He informed them that they should not
fear fighting in God's path, but it is the enemies who should fear
God's retribution for their oppression and injustice. Also, God
inspired the ANGELS to support the believers and strike the
disbelievers.This was NOT a command for the Muslims.
Allah helped Muslim at Battle of Badr by sending angels.The
Quran confirms this in
"(Remember)when you sought help of your Lord and He
answered you (saying): "I will help you with a thousand
of the angels,each behind the other (following one another) in
succession." [Anfal 8:9]
Ar-Rabi bin Anas said: “On the day of Badr people could see
those who had been slain by the angels among the dead
by the blows above the necks and on their fingertips which
looked as if fire had burnt them.” [Bayhaqi]....peace

Kairoseki77: According to them, non-Muslims are infidels and idolaters. According to the Quran, infidels and idolaters have three choices, we can either submit to Muslim rule, we can convert to Islam and pay tax, or we must die.

Quote from the Quran: Quran (9:5) - "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the tax, leave their way free to them"

I'm not sure what's "spiritual" about any of that. Either way, just be armed when dealing with them, and don't hesitate to protect yourself.

Quote from the Quran about non-believers:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

Those two sentences are why terrorists decapitate their captives. Some may say they are misinterpreting the Quran, and that they are not really Muslims, but you decide for yourself.

Lastly, Muslims are commanded to never be friends with us "infidels".

Quote from the Quran: Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Note to moderators: read my comment several times before you decide to delete it. NOTHING I said should be offensive. Especially not the quotes from the Quran, because what sense would it make for a Muslim to be offended by the Quran. Just use common sense.

Wecome mr 'copy and paste',know nothing about islam quoting verses out of context.This is your answer.This verse has been misquoted in a manner similar to other verses
to prove terrorism in Islam and to make people hate it.It is also
historically out of context.
The full context is:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,beleaguer them,
and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);but if they
repent and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity,
then open the way for them:for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum,
grant it to him,so that he may hear the word of Allah and
then escort him to where he can be secure.That is
because they are men without knowledge. How can there be for
the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His
Messenger except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-
Masjid al-Haram?So as long as they are upright toward you,
be upright toward them.Indeed,Allah loves the righteous
[who fear Him]. " [Quran 9:5-7]
The verse once again refers to those pagans who would continue
to fight after the period of peace.It clearly commands the
Muslims to protect those who seek peace and are non-
combatants.It is a specific verse with a specific ruling and can in
no way be applied to general situations. The command of the
verse was only to be applied in the event of a battle.As Abdullah
Yusuf Ali writes:
The emphasis is on the first clause: it is only when the four
months of grace are past, andthe other party show no
sign of desisting from their treacherous design by
right conduct, that the state of war supervenes-
between Faith and Unfaith. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an,
Text, Translation and Commentary, emphasis added)
Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context
of the verse:
This verse was revealed towards the end of the revelation
period and relates to a limited context.Hostilities were
frozen for a three-month period during which the Arabs
pledged not to wage war. Prophet Muhammad was
inspired to use this period to encourage the combatants to
join the Muslim ranks or, if they chose, to leave the area
that was under Muslims rule; however,if they were to
resume hostilities, then the Muslims would fight
back until victorious.One is inspired to note that even in
this context of war,the verse concludes by emphasizing
the divine attributes of mercy and forgiveness.To
minimize hostilities,the Qur'an ordered Muslims to grant
asylum to anyone,even an enemy, who sought refuge.
Asylum would be granted according to the customs of
chivalry; the person would be told the message of the
Qur'an but not coerced into accepting that message.
Thereafter, he or she would be escorted to safety
regardless of his or her religion. (9:6). (Hathout, Jihad vs.
Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002,
pp.52-53, emphasis added)
Ibn al-`Arabi, in his commentary on the Qur’an, writes:
“It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill
the paganswho are waging war against
you.” (Ahkam al-Qur’an: 2/456, emphasis added)
The verse 13 of the same chapter makes it clear that it is a self
defensive verse revealed by Allah
“Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted
to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Sûrah al-Tawbah:
13]

Ikenga nri: prove to me that adam is a muslim. Only prophets in the koran are muslims and not the ones in the bible or else where.

Brother,can you see you know nothing about Islam? Who told you adam(pbuh) wasn't mentioned in the quran.ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-imran 3;33-''ALLAH chose adam,noah,the family of abraham and the family of Imaran above the alamin(mankind and jinns)(of theri times).
The above testifies adam(pbuh) was a muslim and a prophet.The first quality of a muslim is TAUHID(believe in the oneness of ALLAH),and all the prophets from adam to noah to abraham to moses to Jesus to Muhammed(peace be upon them all),they all submitted their to almighty God,they never believe or bow to idols,they bow their wills to ALLAH(in islam).Islam is peace acquired by submitting your will to your creator....Peace

tintingz: i love your reply

As in if non-muslims believes that all muslims are killers then i wonder how my christian neighbours are still living...

Preists molest boys, agreed on gay marriage... Christians fought wars called crusading, now are all christians molester and murderer?

Don't mind them jare,they have no point.Most of them are living very close to muslims and they are still alive,if all muslims are the same,causing violence and killing innocent human beings,then there should no non muslims living on earth.Most don't even know killing of innocent souls is forbidden in islam...Peace

Ikenga nri: stop being an extrimist! Adam was never a muslim neither were his children. Islam started with mohamed. Again, there is nothing like good muslims, all muslims are the same only that some don't have chance to show the stuff they are made of. Egypt,morroco,algeria,libya,somalia,sudan,pakistan,syria northern nigeria,iran,iraq are always in war and violence every time. So where are the good muslims located?. This thread is like a school whom students have been performing very poor in every exam for years coming out to tell the public that they should not mind the poor students, that they are a quality school with best teachers. Where as it doesn't reflect in their students' performance.

Brother,where's your proof that adam(pbuh) and his children weren't muslims? Every prophet is a muslim,muhammed(pbuh)wasn't the founder of Islam,he's the last and final messenger of ALLAH.If every muslim is the same,causing violence they should have killed you too.The media will just portraits the bad sheep of islam to the people,don't follow what the media says about islam or people,go and study islam yourself....Peace

Ikenga nri: Rubbish! There is no difference. Without muslims, islam wouldn't have existed. It would have died with mohamed. Have u wondered why out of thousands of religion in this world islam is always singled out for violence?

That's the mistake many people do make brother,prophet muhammed(pbuh) isn't the founder of Islam.Islam has been in existence since the first man adam(pbuh) set foot on earth.Islam is derived from the arabic word 'salam' which means 'peace,and also the word 'selem' which means to submits one's will to ALLAH(swt).In short,Islam is peace acquired by submitting one's will to ALLAH(swt),the creator and cherisher of humans.A muslim is someone that submits his/her will to the creator(ALLAH).Every religion has its bad sheep,so don't judge Islam by its followers,judge Islam by its scripture The glorious QURAN......Peace.

babaolofin: Muslim Brother (Engr. Alfa),

I like your observation about some comments made by people on this forum. However, I disagreed with your position on the difference between Islam and Muslim when you quoted Ahmed Deedat that I have known to have grossly misquoted bible so severely to the extent of making himself the worst jihadist this generation has ever witnessed. There is no iota of truth on his preaching which is mainly based on discrediting the bible and the christian. I have never seen anybody in the christian fold that has made discrediting Al-Quran and Muhammed (S.A.W)his focal point. Millions of Nairalanders may not know anything about him, he is a man that has made discrediting Jesus and New testament his focal point. He claimed to know bible inside out and misquote bible and make mockery of Jesus to the admiration of his co-travelers who are very ignorant of the bible, Jesus and the holy spirit.

Brother,I challenge you to point where Sheik deedat made mockery of jesus(pbuh).In islam,we muslims don't abuse the prophets of ALLAH(peace be upon them all),nowhere in the glorious quran does it make mockery of jesus(pbuh).It's only the bible that makes false claims about jesus(pbuh).Sheik deedat said and we muslims also agreed to that.firstly,we muslims believed jesus(pbuh) was the messiah translated to christ,we believed he was born miraculously without the intervention of a male,we believed he healed those born blind and lepers through ALLAH's command,we believed he gave Life to the dead through ALLAH's permission.Infact no muslim is a muslim if he doesn't believe in jesus christ(pbuh).And all the points Sheik deedat raised about the contradictions in the bible,nobody is yet to answer them.
You said you have never seen anybody in the christian fold discreting the quran and muhammed(pbuh),brother maybe you aren't current.There are many christians on nairaland that hates islam and the prophet(pbuh),they visited anti islamic websites and posts false things and misconceptions about islam.Have you heard of Ali sina or sam shaoun? Both are haters of islam and muhammed(pbuh).....Peace

talk2me006: @LANREX AND OTHERS

PLS LEAVE THEM
THEY ARE DUMB TO NOT HEAR
THEY ARE BLIND TO NOT SEE
PLS DONT WASTE UR TIME WT THEM.

THEY WILL ALWAYS JUMP FROM ONE TOPIC TO OTHER.

THEIR YANSH HAS BEEN EXPOSED ALREADY

Abi jare,ALLAH said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-baqarah 2;18-''They are deaf,dumb and blind,they will never return to the straight path.''
@brother desika and alexis,inform us anytime you open another thread,we are always ready to expose your ignorance about Islam and misconceptions....Peace.

@truthman,did abraham(pbuh) committed fornication with hagar? How can you conclude hagar and ismael aren't his legitimate family? Moreover,where's your proof that abraham(pbuh) spent his whole Life in israel? I just need for your statements please.....Peace

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Mintayo: laxtran,why are you denying again? Huh...look above!

And look at my reply:
[b]REALLY? SO IF I DON'T READ QURAN IN ARABIC,I CAN'T READ QURAN? OHHHH,NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE LIKE talk2me DON'T READ AND UNDERSTAND THE QURAN(THEY ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT THEY WERE TOLD BY MULLAHS).SO EVERYBODY MUST UNDERSTAND ARABIC BEFORE THEY READ THE QURAN?
BUT WAIT A MINUTE-IS ALLAH NOT A GOD? ARE U SAYING HE ONLY CARES FOR THE ARABS? THAT PPL CAN'T READ D QURAN EXCEPT IN ARABIC? DIDNT HE KNOW ABOUT THE MISTAKE IN WRITING OR TRANSLATING ARABIC? WHY DID HE CHOOSE ARABIC THEN, SINCE THERE WILL BE ERROR IN READING IT?
PLS LET ME ASK A SINCERE QUESTION- DID YOU READ THE ARABIC QURAN? YOU DON'T READ ENGLISH QURAN?(I DOUBT THAT). NOW IF YOU READ ARABIC QURAN-IS IT THE EXACT QURAN ALLAH GAVE MOHAMMED? BECAUSE ARABIC IS DIFFICULT TO TRANSLATE/WRITE I.E THE ARABIC QURAN YOU ARE READING TO HAS AN ERROR OR WAS IT THE SAME ONE ALLAH GAVE TO MOHAMMED? NAWA O!
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY LANGUAGES WE HAVE IN THE WORLD TODAY? DIDN'T ALLAH KNOW THAT? SO HE IS THE GOD OF THE ARABS NOT THE WORLD? I AM SHORT OF WORDS, BUT I AM NOT SURPRISED![/b]

Mohammed even said- " i am Arab, and the quran is in arabic and the talk of those in paradise is in arabic''(Trifkovic p.95 quoting an hadith).

The above is saying that allah language is arabic i.e,he doesnt understand any other language apart from arabic! And anybody that dies without knowing arabic (bcus they won't know tha quran)will not go to paradise.(well i dint say that) What a pity.
So billions of ppl will not enter allah's paradise! And i can tell you that out of the 'acclaimed' 2billion muslims,more than half of them will not enter allah's paradise(bcus most of them don't knw arabic,even cnt read arabic quran)..hmmm;now i understand why those arabs are the ones practising islam...

Brother,I have replied you before,nowhere in my posts did I say you can't the quran in other languages,I simply said arabic is one of the most difficult language to translate.Every muslim do read arabic daily,during the 5daily prayer,SOLAT are being prayed using arabic quran,So all the points you raised up there has been nullified.Maybe this link will clarify it.

http://opishposh.com/10-hardest-languages-to-learn-for-english-speakers/

Mintayo: [=lanrexlan]

I will once again show your ignorance.The other time I told you The quran wasn't revealed in English,that it was arabic and arabic is one of the languages that's not easily translated,you said rubbish that day telling me if I tried persia.You never understand arabic....

[b]REALLY? SO IF I DON'T READ QURAN IN ARABIC,I CAN'T READ QURAN? OHHHH,NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE LIKE talk2me DON'T READ AND UNDERSTAND THE QURAN(THEY ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT THEY WERE TOLD BY MULLAHS)...NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU FLOG CHILDREN TO READ THE QURAN.SO EVERYBODY MUST UNDERSTAND ARABIC BEFORE THEY READ THE QURAN?
BUT WAIT A MINUTE-IS ALLAH NOT A GOD? ARE U SAYING HE ONLY CARES FOR THE ARABS? THAT PPL CAN'T READ D QURAN EXCEPT IN ARABIC? DIDNT HE KNOW ABOUT THE MISTAKE IN WRITING OR TRANSLATING ARABIC? WHY DID HE CHOOSE ARABIC THEN, SINCE THERE WILL BE ERROR IN READING IT?
PLS LET ME ASK A SINCERE QUESTION- DID YOU READ THE ARABIC QURAN? YOU DON'T READ ENGLISH QURAN?(I DOUBT THAT). NOW IF YOU READ ARABIC QURAN-IS IT THE EXACT QURAN ALLAH GAVE MOHAMMED? BECAUSE ARABIC IS DIFFICULT TO TRANSLATE/WRITE I.E THE ARABIC QURAN YOU ARE READING TO HAS AN ERROR OR WAS IT THE SAME ONE ALLAH GAVE TO MOHAMMED? NAWA O!
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY LANGUAGES WE HAVE IN THE WORLD TODAY? DIDN'T ALLAH KNOW THAT? SO HE IS THE GOD OF THE ARABS NOT THE WORLD? I AM SHORT OF WORDS, BUT I AM NOT SURPRISED![/b]

Mohammed even said- " i am Arab, and the quran is in arabic and the talk of those in paradise is in arabic''(Trifkovic p.95 quoting an hadith).

The above is saying that allah language is arabic i.e,he doesnt understand any other language apart from arabic! And anybody that dies without knowing arabic (bcus they won't know tha quran)will not go to paradise.(well i dint say that) What a pity.
So billions of ppl will not enter allah's paradise! And i can tell you that out of the 'acclaimed' 2billion muslims,more than half of them will not enter allah's paradise(bcus most of them don't knw arabic,even cnt read arabic quran)..hmmm;now i understand why those arabs are the ones practising islam...
Laxtran,do you know arabic? I am sure you knw the implication of that!
You have just shot yourself an arrow- you better clear that up!

So from what you are sayingabt Jesus,it is only arabic quran can proof it...lool;so what you,tintinz(that Jesus didnt resurrect) have been tellin us may not be true,how are we sure you are quoting the arabic quran-because you are saying different things(just asking).

Hmmm...peace.

Mr lamelliform,you just misquote all my words.I said arabic is difficult to translate,not that it can't be translated and I gave the example of the arabic word ''RABB'',this word has no proper equivalent meaning in the English language,but for the readers of the English quran to understand the word ''RABB'',the English word ''Lord'' is used.The word ''RABB'' actually means the creator,the sustainer,the cheriser,the master,the planner,the provider and giver of security.Whereas the word 'Lord' in english means a person who has power over others such as a master.The english word 'lord' has only a meaning of the word ''RABB'',the master.but it was used to substitute it.So ''RABB'' is close to the word 'lord',but they don't actually give the same meaning.That's what I meant by arabic to english translation.
Nowhere in my posts did I say or suggest that you can't read the quran without knowing arabic.That's why there's translation of the quran,arabic in one side english or other language it was translated to in the other side.And who told you muslims can't read arabic? Every muslim offer SOLAT everyday and it's a Must you offer SOLAT saying arabic verses of the quran.I hope I have made myself clear,don't say what I never post...Peace

alexis: Hahaha - I provided you a link as a reference so you will SHUT your mouth on "your future tense claim". So, your defense now is the arabic english translation - hahahahahaha. So, why didn't you use Arabic to explain it earlier then? Gosh, people can be so low.

Here is your post



You said John the Baptist is DEAD but not risen, same as JESUS. Maybe you should have said it in Arabic before you come online and start lying

What I meant with 'SAME AS JESUS(PBUH)' is that jesus(pbuh) too will die and will be raised up alive.Not yet dead,not yet risen.You just mis-interpreted my words,and I have corrected that now.If I had posted in arabic,do you understand arabic as a language? I quoted from my quran,not an online stuff....Peace

Mr lamelliform head@mintayo,nowhere in the quran does ALLAH said the people of scriptures(Jews and christians)lost the injeel and torah,and nowhere in our posts do we say that either.ALLAH said they threw it behind their backs as if they didn't know and that's what we said here.Consider this verse of the glorious Quran.

Surah Al-baqarah 2;75-''Do you faithful believers covet they will believe in your religion inspite the fact that a party of them(Jews and Christians) used to hear the word of ALLAH(injeel and torah),then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?''

Let me explain your ignorance to you,the people of the scriptures(Jews and Christians)after the revelation were given to them,a party of them changed the word of ALLAH in it and put their own words into the revelation and we have explained all that before.
Secondly,if you are still searching for the lost injeel,here is my advice for you.I watched a film titled ''SUPERNATURAL''.One interesting thing about the film is that there's an angel in that film known as 'castiel',and he can send people back in time,he did that with sam and dean they were sent back in time also to find somethings they needed.So you can kindly summon angel castiel to send you back in time,the time of the people who threw away the injeel and torah behind their backs,you will meet them and ask them,just an advice.
Thirdly,I explained how we can separate the chaff of the present bible from the grains.I quoted surah Al-maidah 5;48.Read it yourself....Peace

alexis: Wow, circles circles circles. So, it has become an English matter now. Here is the link to the Quran I am quoting:

http://quran.com/19/30-33:

Surah 19:33 === And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."

Mr. English man - DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FUTURE TENSE TO YOU?.

Moving on - Here are your words ==

tintingz words ==

You said Jesus died, tintingz said Jesus didn't. IF THAT IS NOT CONTRADICTION, then God help muslims.

Read the verse again lanrexlan ----- Surah 19:33 === And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive." Does that look like further tense to you? I quoted by source: http://quran.com/19/30-33 before you accuse me of saying something else.

I will once again show your ignorance.The other time I told you The quran wasn't revealed in English,that it was arabic and arabic is one of the languages that's not easily translated,you said rubbish that day telling me if I tried persia.You never understand arabic,you don't have a quran(arabic or even english),you just visit sites and post things here,go and meet people who understands arabic to explain the verse to you.Mister Cocoon,which of my posts did I say jesus(pbuh)has died? Point it out,and I never in any way contradicts brother tintingz,I said ALLAH hasn't raise me up from the DEAD,means not yet resurrected.Brother tintingz said ALLAH raised up ALIVE to himself,means not yet dead,I never denied my brother.Jesus(pbuh)has not die yet and hasn't be resurrected....I don't expect you to understand...Peace

alexis: You call me a Cocoon and then call me your brother, lol - you are funny . Please show me where you answered 4, 5, 7 & 8.

Why are you asking me if John the Baptist rose up. Please don't drag the corrupt bible into this issue now oh. Your Quran claimed he rose up? As a muslim - you are to BELIEVE what the Quran says. So, please answer this simple question - DID JOHN THE BAPTIST RISE FROM THE DEAD AS YOUR QURAN CLAIMED?

Secondly, your Quran made it perfectly clear that Jesus rose from the Dead - If you deny this - then you are not a MUSLIM. You see, the thing with you guys is that you cherry pick what you will believe and what you won't.

What makes one a muslim? - The confession that: THERE IS NO OTHER GOD APART FROM ALLAH AND MOHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER. Once you say that and believe that you are a muslim. Also, a muslim is a person that OBEYS AND BELIEVE WHATEVER ALLAH SAYS.. If Allah said John the Baptist was raised from the dead - who are you lanrexlan to DISPUTE it?

If you Quran wanted to say that everyone will rise on the day of judgement - it WOULD have said it. Haba - Allah no fit talk for himself again. If he meant day of judgement, he would have said "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again) ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT". But Allah didn't say that lanrexlan - you are the one saying it. Later, you will come here and say that you have explained my question and have answered it when you clearly have given new meaning and words to Allah that he never said.

Can you please tell me when you addressed question number 7 & 8?

Seriously,alexis' ignorance keeps getting worse everyday.Firstly,you can't assimilate,digest words and reason on them.But now,your condition has changed you can't even comprehend simple English,should I teach you tenses on nairaland again?
The quran said 'THE DAY HE WILL BE RAISED UP'and 'THE DAY I SHALL BE RAISED UP',future tenses were used.You decided to put your own tenses,using 'rose'.Brother or cocoon,the following verses said mankind will be resurrected.

Surah Al-muminun 23;15-16-''After that,surely you will die.Then again,surely you will be resurrected on the day of resurrection''.

Can you see every soul shall have a taste of death? And everyone shall BE resurrected? John the baptist(pbuh)is dead and HE WILL BE RAISED UP ALIVE on the day of judgement.He hasn't rise up.Same with jesus(pbuh),the quran never said he has risen or rose from dead,it said THE DAY I SHALL BE RAISED UP,not raised up yet.Let's hope your initiative will work this time.To your questions,if you want the answer,kindly click on my username and view all my posts.I am not an inept thinker like you that will keep repeating the same thing....Peace.

alexis: I find it shocking that muslims here ignore their Quran to desperately prove that the Bible is corrupt. You tell them about the violence other muslims are committing in the name of their religion, they tell you otherwise.

1. The say - the Bible is corrupt without providing evidence that is is corrupt. You ask for the original version, they tell you it is lost and they their Quran blames the jews and christians for losing the "Original" Injel
2. They quote verses in the OLd Testament as proof there is violence in the Bible. You point out that by the fact they are quoting the bible, they believe it what it says. How can they believe a corrupt Bible - they ignore you
3. You point out that Allah was the one that gave all revelations "Bibles" after the Injeel was lost to Jews and Christians and it is true and muslims shouldn't fight over it - they ignore you
4. You ask them to show you the LOST Bible - they refer you to wikipedia
5. You ask them would Northern Nigeria be a better/safer/peaceful place if Boko Haram were Evangelical Christians? - they ignore you
6. They deny Jesus death and resurrection but their Quran endorses it - So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! Surah 19:33
7. You point out that their Quran claimed several people were the first muslims - they ignore you
8. You point out that the Quran give 3 different accounts on how long the world was created - they ignore you

They selectively choose what to believe EVEN WHILE DIS-OBEYING THEIR QURAN IN THE PROCESS but they don't care. They have to protect Islam at all cost .

A religion where their prophet couldn't save himself and died of poison by a woman. A man that married more women but denied his son in law from marrying more that one wife because his daughter complained. A man that robbed and murder people to steal. They don't see all that but they will tell you Jesus was violent just to belittle him and bring him low as Mohammed.

A muslim can't have a debate without gearing off topic and going around in circles. To prove what? A 7th century arabian culture that spread through violence and coercion is a RELIGION FROM GOD.

Cocoon,all your questions have been answered but I see you are blindfolded and can't even reason,think and see at all.Your questions 1,2,3,4,7 and 8 have been answered perfectly and I don't expect you to accept it.But to your question 6 about the death and resurrection of jesus(pbuh).

Surah Maryam 19;33-''And peace be upon me the day I was born,and they I die and the day I shall be raised alive''.

Brother,not only jesus(pbuh)said that,john the baptist(pbuh) also does,the same applies to him.

Surah Maryam 19;15-''And peace be on him the day he was born,and the day he dies and the day he will be raised up alive''.
So tell me john the baptist(pbuh) also died and then resurrect? The bible said he was beheaded.The explanation of the above verses applies to everybody.Peace on everyone the day he/she was born,and the day he/she dies and the day he/she will be raised alive.Jesus(pbuh) was born and peace be upon him that day,the day he dies(his second coming),he's not dead yet.When he comes back in his second,then he will die a normal death and peace upon him the day he will be raised alive(resurrection).Every Human being will be raised up alive on the day of judgement.So all what jesus(pbuh) and john the baptist(pbuh)said in the above verses applies to everybody.It doesn't confirm the death and resurrection of the bible.Quran doesn't endorse his crucifixion.
I hope that clears that,maybe you will understand because you love beating around the bush,repeating the same question that have been answered.The other time I told you your reasoning is very low and you don't read the quran,copy and paste from anti islamic websites,it was like I was abusing you.But I am saying the truth.....Peace

ifeness: Your truth,not the truth! If you think islam is the path for you,fine! Do not try imposing it on others or try to make them feel guilty for not accepting it. Several ways leads to the market.

Brother,why do you just jump into conclusion? I think you read my post,i said nobody is forcing him to accept the truth.He was asking questions about Islam and we took our time to explain it all,then where does imposing islam on him comes in? Read thoroughly before posting.Every road may leads to market,but not the same with God.
God is ONE and only ONE RELIGION is acceptable in the sight of God and that's to acquire peace and submits your will to God,your creator.Worship him and serve HIM alone.Peace brother.

Mintayo: hey dude,why d abuse? I bet the truth is bitter and it is biting too; i am actually expecting a reply,but nothing you say whatsoever wil change FACTs...FACT WILL STILL REMAIN FACT!
No matter how much u try,u can't hide d truth...the TRUTH always prevails!

Shalom.

Where's the truth? We have proved the truth to you,but you failed to comprehend.ALLAH said in the glorious quran in surah Al-Hajj 22;55-
''and those you disbelieved will not cease to be in doubt about The Quran until the hour comes suddenly upon them or there comes to them the torment of the day after there will be no night(The day of Resurrection)''.

Nobody is forcing you to accepth the truth,those that can reason very well and have a higher IQ know that we answered all your questions and show you the truth,clear all the misqoted verses,out of context verses and misconceptions you copied and come to paste here because I am pretty sure none of those points you raised are your findings or from your intellect.....Peace

tintingz: ^ not again!!

You can also see his ignorance again,all the points he(mintayo) raised are very easy for us to refute,but I see no essence in replying him because he will never understand.Brother tintingz and brother talketome,should we leave him to wander blindly in his error or replied to his questions? But he's a cocoon,he will never comprehend a damn thing,a kindergaten child's IQ is higher than his,I don't know how he uses his brain.....Peace brothers

[quote author=Mintayo][/quote]You are looking for the lost injeel right? Kindly go back in time,during the lifetime of the people of th scriptures(Jews and Christians),and asked them where they threw a much and good part of the injeel and why they threw it away.They will kindly show you,free advice.....Peace

Brothers,no matter the proof you provided for alexis and co they will never accept it because their hearts are sealed up for the truth.The rate at which you comprehend is very low.I will just use this last post to clear the verse you keep repeating,that of surah 5;47.
This is the full context.

Surah Al-maidah 5;46-48
46)And in their footsteps,We sent Isa the son of maryam,confirming the torah that had come before him,and We gave him the injeel in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the torah that had come before it,a guidance and an admonition for the pious.
47)Let the people of the injeel judge by what ALLAH has revealed therein.And whosoever does not judge by what ALLAH has revealed,then such people are rebellious to ALLAH.
48)And we have sent down to you(O muhammed(pbuh)),the book (quran)in truth,confirming the scriptures that came before it and muhaiminan(that which testifies the truth that is therein and falsifies the falsehood that is added therein) over the old scriptures.So judge among then what ALLAH has revealed and follow not their vain desires,diverging away from the truth that has come to you''.

Hope your initiative is working very well,ALLAH said the quran is a judge between truth and falsehood of the old scriptures.The people of the injeel during the time of prophet muhammed(pbuh)should be judged according to their scripture.Are you among the people of the injeel? Injeel doesn't mean bible.The Quran is the criterion in judging between the truth in the old scriptures and falsehood.I think we provided many proofs for you to tell you the much part of the injeel is lost.The bible isn't the injeel,it may contains some GOD's words but a bulk of it are works of historians.That's why I keep saying if we muslims find somethings in the the present bible that's in line with the quran,we accept and if it contradicts,we decline(That's explanation of surah 5;48).I pray this answers your question...Peace

alexis: Looked at it this way - Nairaland muslims tells us muslims are peaceful and a loving people. We say OK, I believe you. 30 minutes later, you turn on the TV, another group of muslims just blew up a Church in Nigeria - YOU SAY, WIAT A MINUTES - WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. I THOUGHT MUSLIMS WERE PEACEFUL LOVING PEOPLE?

It's like you walk in a store and see a peaceful muslim guy buying Garri, yam and other groceries with his wife and kids. You went in to buy some groceries too. 2 hours later, you turn on the TV and you hear the store was BOMBED by another muslim - WHAT HAPPENED - I AM CONFUSED.

[size=15pt]HOW CAN ONE MUSLIM BE TOTALLY "PEACEFUL" AND ANOTHER BE TOTALLY "VIOLENT"[/size]. Am I missing something?

I told you that you can't judge a car by its careless driver,you shouldn't be judging Islam by its followers.If you want to learn about Islam,go study Islam don't study muslims because muslims aren't perfect but Islam is.
Brother,I can start pointing out terrorism in christianity and other religions,bombings done by non-muslims,hmmm....Peace

alexis: You keep side-stepping the fact that Mohammed had an educated secretary. The reason I don't believe in the Quran is because it DENIES THE VERY PRINCIPLE THAT CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON - THE DEITY OF CHRIST.

You want me to believe an uneducated man telling me that Jesus the Christ was a mere mortal and never died? The Quran may be glorious to you - but I find nothing glorious about it.

So, you haven't answered by question mate

Masha allahu brother,thank you for that you just speak out what's on your mind,you have raised a new point and I appreciate you for that.Should we analyse your bible to prove to you that jesus(pbuh)never claimed divinity and he's a mortal? Peace.

Mintayo: no more quran,no more hadiths now we have seraah,it is good sha...but sorry friend,i c desperation here;u people are so desperate to validate ur book,that is why u attack the bible like anything,but lik i said,it is good sha...

I will again point out your ignorance.For we Muslims,we are the most fortunate in this that his various records are contained inseparate Books! ONE: The first kind —THE WORD OF GOD — is found in a Book called The Holy Quran.
TWO: The second kind—THE WORDS OF THE PROPHET OF GOD(Muhummed, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) are recorded in the Books of Tradition called The Hadith.
THREE: Evidence of the third kind abounds in different volume of Islamic history, written by some of high integrity and learning(SEERAH),and others of lesser trustworthiness, but the Muslim advisedly keeps his Books in separate volumes!
Hope you understand again sha? Peace

Mintayo: i won't stop saying it too,you are contradicting the quran,you are showing that ur god doesn't knw what he was doing-how could he say onething here and say another thing again-i don't mean what i said before-he is not a man now,or is he?

Mr 'copy and paste',point out one of my posts where I contradicted the quran or called ALLAH a liar(nausoubillah)if you are truthful.I took my time to explain all the verses you raised about JIHAD,but I don't think you even read it at all,even if you read you can't comprehend it because your brain is working anti-Clockwisely...Peace

alexis: How can you use the Quran to judge the Bible - The Bible was present 600 years before the Quran. Let me show you what you are doing:

The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.

Some Muslims violate the principle of historical precedent by asserting that Islam does not have the burden of proof and that the Qur'an judges the Bible.

Your Quran is not an authority to prove anything mate - Mohammed received revelations whenever "Gabriel" told him about it. . Imagine an unlettered man teaching Christians and Jews about their own faith.

Brother,nobody is using the quran to judge the bible,ALLAH(swt)has given us the final instruction manual(quran),a guide for the whole of mankind.We don't need the bible,it's because you christians don't wanna believe in the quran,then at least you believed the bible.Then we prove to you from the book you believed in.

Brother,muhammed(pbuh)was an unlettered man,can't read nor write.But it's a miracle,a revelation being delivered to an illiterate.See your ignorance now,your bible even confirmed muhammed(pbuh)being an illiterate.
Book of Isaiah 29;12-''and the Book is delivered to HIM that's not learned,saying read this,i pray thee and HE said I am not learned''.
Which book is being referred to? The glorious quran,who's the unlearned? Prophet muhammed(pbuh).When the first revelation came to muhammed(pbuh)in cave hira,angel told him read,read and HE replied I am not learned.
Hope that answers your questions....Peace

alexis: Why are you playing pretend?

Surah (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Surah (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.".

Read those verses very very well.

Brother,walah this is one thing I hate about you,the above verses you quoted have been thoroughly explained.Just go back and read the explanations if you want the truth...Peace