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Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 2:36pm On Dec 13, 2013

Mhyke: For the first question,we shouldnt shift the aftermath of a military regime to the civilian. we should judge them by their actions not by that of past governments.
Secondly,if a military government were to come into power, how can we guarantee that it would be lead by 'Gadafi'?.NOT all military rulers would behave like him.

I asked you a straight-forward question, which administration would you prefer given their recorded achievement.

a. Jonathan (Civilian)
b. Gaddafi (Maximum dictatorship)

A simple A or B will suffice.

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 2:31pm On Dec 13, 2013

Mhyke: i will after you confirm that none of the protest in the military regime ends up brutal
where do you get the nerve to protest ss u like in the military regime
any opposition against the government is mostly considered as a coup,with a penalty of jail or death

And yet Jonathan had to ordered Soldiers to Ojota to stop anyone from protesting anymore about the subsidy crisis? What's the difference with that of the military you are trying so hard to crucify? How many times has the Police disrupted peaceful protest against the presidency while they claim they are protecting law and order?

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 2:27pm On Dec 13, 2013

Mhyke, you haven't answered the following questions:

1. After over 14yrs, why hasn't the civilian government set up new refineries or rather upgrade the ones we have before (which was set up by the military).

2. Given their recorded achievement, which administration would you prefer, Jonathan (Civilian) or Gaddafi (Maximum dictatorship).

I await your answers.

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 2:14pm On Dec 13, 2013

Mhyke: what i was reffering to as fallacy is the belive that 'military government are known for consistency'
dont misquote me please.

Then you will agree with me that consistency is also missing in civilian rule since another government is coming in with different agenda for the economy? Thus it renders your argument null and void about consistency.

Which leader would you prefer between Jonathan (Civilian) and Gaddafi (Maximum dictatorship)?

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 2:10pm On Dec 13, 2013

Mhyke: did you say things were adequately okay
what happened to the first three refineries in oil producing Nigeria?

YES!!! Things were adequately okay. There was enough food to eat, our pipe borne water were working, there is constant power supply during those military era, how then did we get to where we are right now? No pipe borne water, Electricity is non existent.

Who set-up those refineries?

Why after over 14yrs, No civilian government has been able to set up any refineries for us?

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 2:02pm On Dec 13, 2013

Mhyke: that is the general fallacy but il oppose that.gen murtala's government lasted 4 just 6 months without notice.
a military leader can come up today and get killed tomorrow by another.tell me,how is this consistent

You cannot claim a statement to be a general fallacy without providing fact to back it up. In your own words yourself you said

Mhyke:

Also,the stability of the government in the democratic improves
development, the leader has an allocated time to reign and execute his plan for the economy before being replaced by another leader with
another agenda. This gives the people the option of making another choice if the former leader doesn't suit them.They are not faced with
the problem of different leaders lording over them at sudden times, all with different plans for the economy as a result of 'coup de tat'.

[color=#006600]If you claim those words to be fallacy then i can claim that your write up are based on fallacy since the statement is made by you?

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 1:57pm On Dec 13, 2013

Mhyke: Taking a look at the price list,we can consider the increase as somthing normal economically-u cant expect the price of somthing 30 years ago to remain d same till now
nd futher,the first exorbitant change wuz made by obasanjo in 1978 while ruling a military government and the most exiorbitant increase in percentage wuz during babangida's military regim
dont let us ignore that the first and Only decrease in price wuz made during obasanjo's civilian rule followed by yar'dua's.
the increase intially proposed by jonathan wuz #144 bt because d government is democratic,we were able to cry out protest against it leading to it's reduction bt if the government had beenn military,all we cn do is to sit down and accept fate.

I think you need to recheck those prices you quoted. Abacha was the first Head of State that decreased the price of fuel from #5 to #3.25K that's about 35% decrease in price after he took power from the interim government of shonekan. When OBJ resumes power as civilian president he hike fuel price from the uniform #20 to #30 before he later brought it back to #22. At the end of his tenure fuel sells for #75. All over the world right now oil sales is on the high side and still yet we are not feeling the increase in oil sales rather we are riddled with under-developed. Its on record that during the military era, things are quite okay for the average Nigerian, there's enough of food to eat, there constant power supply which is now crippled under the civilian government. If we are to put the military regime with that of civilian rule in Nigeria side by side, I'm sure you will agree with me that democracy has failed us.

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 1:44pm On Dec 13, 2013

Mhyke:

Also,the stability of the government in the democratic improves
development, the leader has an allocated time to reign and execute his plan for the economy before being replaced by another leader with
another agenda. This gives the people the option of making another choice if the former leader doesn't suit them.They are not faced with
the problem of different leaders lording over them at sudden times, all with different plans for the economy as a result of 'coup de tat'.

[color=#006600]I think you contradict yourself with the above in bold. One thing that is certain in autocratic rule is consistency which is definitely lacking in our democracy, every elected official will abandon the work of his predecessors and want to make their own mark to the detriment of the people. Show me any successful/developed organization in the world that their leader's ain't autocratic in nature.

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 1:00pm On Dec 13, 2013

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 12:54pm On Dec 13, 2013

I'm here.!!!

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 1:26pm On Dec 12, 2013

I want schalke, we seems to love playing german teams.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 1:21pm On Dec 12, 2013

superstar1: Why is this thread the longest thread out of all the soccer teams thread?

Maybe the rest don't have their version of Coogar and Elampiro?

It is also the most interesting and informative thread out of all the soccer teams thread.

True that!!!

Dating And Meet-up Zone › Re: Romance Section's Off Topic Chat Room + Derailers Paradise. by larride(m): 1:02pm On Dec 12, 2013

Peace unto this house!!! cool

Education › Re: Osun State University (uniosun) 2013/2014 Post utme/Admission Thread by larride(m): 12:58pm On Dec 12, 2013

damipe: Is it original waec result that would be needed for reg or printout .?

No, you can use the print out.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 5:34pm On Dec 11, 2013

sapientia1: Hi Fynestboi....i stil cnt book a space on d thread or is it until i send u my part of d debate that u'l unlock it for my space?

You just dey come here now abi?

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 4:45pm On Dec 11, 2013

Fynestboi: yes the space is on and am doing the posting for you that day..

I just checked the uniosun debate thread again and I noticed that Abu Mikey said the debate will be taking place on saturday, I thought the debate was slated for Friday, I'm sorry for any inconvenience that this may cause but I won't be available on saturday as I have an important wedding that I must attend. I hope I will be able to partake in subsequent edition. Thanks.

Literature › Re: Dragon Rider: Rise Of The Fallen by larride(m): 3:02pm On Dec 11, 2013

Nice one.!!! space booked.

Education › Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 1:56pm On Dec 11, 2013*

My esteemed Judges, illustrious co-ordinators, fellow co-debaters, learned audience, all other protocols duly observed. I'm Larride [chief speaker representing Uniosun] and I'm indeed honoured to oppose the motion that states: Does Nigeria really need Civilian rule [or democracy] to develop?

Firstly, what is democracy? According to the Oxford dictionary "Democracy is a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives." Democracy is meant to be a government of the people by the people and for the people, but here in Nigeria, democracy has been a government of the elite by the elite and for the elite. Nigeria is home to various tribes and religion and when democracy is just an election to decide which tribe wins the spoils in a grab for power and wealth, it will fail. Democracy has to provide guarantees of individual rights, and must have some sense of shared destiny among the varied groups voting if it is to be a success.

Nigeria is a country that is blessed with lots of natural resources even more than some countries in the world but our development seems to be crawling when infact we should be developing faster than we are currently given the resources at our disposal. Yes, our democracy is still young but since we returned back to civilian rule in 1999 till date, we haven't actually made much progress. Thus the question "Does Nigeria really needs civilian rule (democracy) to develop"? The answer is absolutely NO.

let's check fuel price during the military and civilian regime:

History of fuel price increases in Nigeria
Gowon, 1973: 6k to 8.45k (40.8%)
Murtala, 1976: 8.45k to 9k (0.59%)
Obasanjo, October 1, 1978: 9k to 15.3k (70%)
Shagari, April 20, 1982: 15.3k to 20k (30.71%)
Babangida, March 31 1986: 20k to 39.5k (97.5%)
Babangida, April 10 1988: 39.5k to 42k (6.33%)
Babangida, January 1, 1989: 42k to 60k Private vehicles.
Babangida, December 19, 1989: moved to uniform price of 60k (42.86%)
Babangida, March 6, 1991: 60k to 70k (16.67%)
Shonekan, November 8, 1993: 70k to N5 (614%)
Abacha, November 22,1993: petrol price drops from N5 to N3.25k (-35%)
Abacha, October 2,1994: N3.25k to N15 (361.54%)
Abacha, October 4,1994: price drops from N15 to N11(-26.67%)
Abubakar, December, 20, 1998: N11 to N25 (127.27%)
Abubakar, January 6,1999: N25 to N20 (-20%)
Obasanjo, June 1, 2000: N20 to N30 (50%)
Obasanjo, June 8, 2000: Petrol price reduced to N22 (-10%)
Obasanjo, January 1, 2002: N22 to N26 (18.18%)
Obasanjo, June to October, 2003: N26 to N42 (23.08%
Obasanjo, May 29, 2004: N50 (19.05%)
Obasanjo, August 25, 2004: N65 (30%)
Obasanjo, May 27, 2007: N75 (15.38%)
Yar’Adua, June 2007: N65 (-15.38%)
Jonathan, January 1, 2012: between N138 to N250 (112.31 to 284.62%)

With the above, we can say that during the military era, the fuel price was relatively stable and reasonable unlike when we returned back to the civilian rule, The general notion is that things will get better, but it actually got worse. The military left fuel price at #20 but today fuel sells for #95, yet we are not seeing any benefits of the increment in fuel price. Civilian rule was meant to bring in a better living condition for the populace and not compound our misery. Even during Abacha maximum dictatorship, he was able to set up the Petroleum Trust Fund to warehouse subsidy funds for special interventionist engagements.

Let's look at the life of Muammar Gaddafi, The late de factor leader of Libya.

On economic reforms:
With crude oil as the country's primary export, Gaddafi sought to improve Libya's oil sector. In October 1969, he proclaimed the current trade terms unfair, benefiting foreign corporations more than the Libyan state, and by threatening to reduce production, in December Jalloud successfully increased the price of Libyan oil. In 1970, other OPEC states followed suit, leading to a global increase in the price of crude oil. The RCC followed with the Tripoli Agreement, in which they secured income tax, back-payments and better pricing from the oil corporations; these measures brought Libya an estimated $1 billion in additional revenues in its first year.Increasing state control over the oil sector, the RCC began a program of nationalization, starting with the expropriation of British Petroleum's share of the British Petroleum-N.B. Hunt Sahir Field in December 1971. In September 1973, it was announced that all foreign oil producers active in Libya were to be nationalized. For Gaddafi, this was an important step towards socialism. It proved an economic success; while gross domestic product had been $3.8 billion in 1969, it had risen to $13.7 billion in 1974, and $24.5 billion in 1979. In turn, the Libyans' standard of life greatly improved over the first decade of Gaddafi's administration, and by 1979 the average per-capita income was at $8,170, up from $40 in 1951; this was above the average of many industrialized countries like Italy and the U.K.

Despite being a dictator like everyone claimed, Gaddafi actually improved the life of Libyan and whatever libya was/is today was partly because of him. When Gaddafi was thumped by rebels in 2011, look at the economic state of Libya and you will understand and come to appreciate the man called Gaddafi. Let's take a closer look at Egypt, they haven't known any form of rest when Mubarak was ousted because they claim he was a maximum dictator but they forgot that he actually brought a lot of economic reforms and brought them stability. Which one would you prefer, A stable Egypt with Mubarak as their leader that keeps making progress or the now chaotic Egypt, Your guess is as good as mine.
What we need as a nation to develop are selfless leaders, leaders who are visionary, determined and have the courage to walk the long walk. Whether democracy or autocratic doesn't change a thing once we still parade the same set of leaders who are only concerned about looting the treasury. We need a leader that will stand tall, a fearless leader who can harness all our strength together to make us stand tall among other respectable countries among the world, Democracy has failed us. Thank You!!

REFERENCES:

http://www.vanguardngr.com /2011/10/subsidy-removal- a-history/
http://www.vanguardngr.com /2012/01/fuel-or-fraud- subsidy-war-nigeria-loses- n2trn-in-six-days/
http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 1:56pm On Dec 11, 2013

Fynestboi: in you reserving a space right away wait for the link.

I already booked a space. cool

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 1:31pm On Dec 11, 2013

Mhyke: tables hv turned,it's nw bn represented

but are you from ABU?

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 11:40am On Dec 11, 2013

Who's supposed to reserve space first? I'm hearing there's no representative for ABU Zaria, what's going to happen then?

Romance › Re: Having Intimate Feelings/relationship With A Friend by larride(m): 8:10am On Dec 11, 2013

"A woman, a very delicate creature, at the best of times they driven by passions that are unknown to the men that put their trust in them"

Dating And Meet-up Zone › Re: Romance Section's Off Topic Chat Room + Derailers Paradise. by larride(m): 12:21am On Dec 11, 2013

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 11:31pm On Dec 10, 2013

I'll take a drab 1 nil win over an exciting 4 - 4 draw right now.

Key observation.

Rooney shouldn't play as our top 9 whenever RVP isn't fit, he makes our attack blunt with too much dropping deep and he also needs to learn how to play short passes, he's a terrible short passer.

Never start Rio and Giggs together in a match, if possible let's loan out Ferdy to MLS, he's just so past it. Januzaz, still has a lot to learn. Young is still an edi.ot. Cleverly can't stop his backward and sideway passing. Young should never take any of our set piece ever again.

Literature › Re: James The Lagos Boy by larride(m): 6:55pm On Dec 10, 2013

Nice one. Keep it up.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 4:17pm On Dec 09, 2013

Fynestboi: welldone... SEEN

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 4:05pm On Dec 09, 2013

Fynestboi: the debate is not on sunday oooo we cant hold debate on sunday, the date was a mistake and have already rectify that please bear with me..

I just sent you my essay. Let me know once you get it. Thanks, looking forward to Friday

Education › Re: Osun State University (uniosun) 2013/2014 Post utme/Admission Thread by larride(m): 12:24pm On Dec 09, 2013

Sapaintia, Goodmercy and Okeke onyi, Uniosun debate will be coming up on Friday, the topic is "Does Nigeria really needs civilian rule (Democracy) to develop" we are expected to oppose the topic while our opponent is ABU Zaria. If you know you will be able to debate on the topic, kindly send me a pm.

https://www.nairaland.com/1499392/nairaland-interschool-debate-planning-thread/66#20100850

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 12:17pm On Dec 09, 2013

Fynestboi: i got your mail and its replied...

Thanks.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 11:59am On Dec 09, 2013

Fynestboi: why the sad look

I would've loved to support the topic rather than oppose it but its all good. Did you get my mail?

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate. :::Planning Thread by larride(m): 10:34am On Dec 09, 2013

Name: Olanrewaju
School: Osun State University (Uniosun)
Topic: Does Nigeria really needs civilian rule (or democracy) to develop?
Stance: Opposing sad

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