₦airaland Forum

Ngozi123:
1. Not on the level of what they've been dealt.
2. Read my post at the top of this page...
3. Where have I said that the Igbos are the only people who've been "unfairly targeted" in this country? There are many groups who are protesting against their harsh treatment in this country and they have every right to do so. If the Igbos want to look for a better solution to their woes then leave us to it. I don't know why whenever 'Igbo' is mentioned, some people like to deny, deny and deny again. It's like a reflexive action...

Madam you are the one living in denial mode. Anyway, you are only speaking from your own limited perspective. Unfortunately, your response shows you have activated the 'victim mentality' button, which a lot of your friends do when the error of their reasoning is pointed out. No one is stopping the Igbo from seeking solutions to their problems. The only thing people are saying is do it peacefully on your own, without denigrating or vilifying other ethnic groups. Is that too much to ask? Do have a great day.

gidgiddy:
So in other words, Ojukwu should be blamed for not being flexible to the Aburi agreement but Gowon should be hailed for repudiating the entire agreement? Did anyone tell you that this same decree 8 you keep parroting made nonsense of Aburi? There was a clause in that decree that gave Gowon the power to bypass the supreme military council, particularly the Military Governors, when making national decisions.

You obviously have problems with comprehension. How did Gowon repudiate the entire agreement when he promulgated Decree 8 of 1967 which included 95% of what was agreed at Aburi?

The single clause which you claim gave Gowon power to bypass the Supreme Military Council (SMC) also had conditions attached to it. If Ojukwu was acting in good faith, why did he not call for a re-negotiation of that singular clause? Why did he reject the entire decree, outright & proceed to nationalise federal govt assets in his region without consulting others?

gidgiddy:
The essence of the Aburi agreement was to make Nigeria a confederation of 4 Regions with a very weak centre in Lagos. The Regions were meant to be more powerful than Gowon and Lagos. Gowon was supposed to be a figure head leader. So it is not actually important what Ojukwu felt about decree 8, Gowon should not have tampered with the Regions that were supposed to be more powerful than him. By abolishing the Regions, Gowon literally declared war.

But we all know what this was about as did Ojukwu. Ojukwu knew that the North wanted political and economic control of Nigeria. The Aburi agreement stopped them from doing this. So the only way to achieve their aim was to break the agreement and the consequence was secession and war.

Go back into history, please. Ojukwu unilaterally nationalised Fed Govt national assets within his region. Something he had no right to do! He was warned about it, but he refused to rescind his decision. In short, with his actions, he had given credence to the fact that he wanted to secede. Did he expect the federal govt to give him a pat on the back after that? Gowon's creation of states was a response to Ojukwu's actions.

Guy, go back, read & understand all the events that led to the Aburi accord, the creation of Decree 8 and Ojukwu's manipulative actions which he took after rejecting Decree 8, so that he could secede. Until you have done that, sorry.... I can't help you, since you are not interested in learning the truth.

Ngozi123:
Did you skip over the part where I said that the writer's views were consistent with what I've seen elsewhere? I don't really care what non-Igbos think about Igbos tbf. We've always been treated with scorn by Nigeria so what difference will it make?

It was consistent with what you read elsewhere.... and so you belive that means all those things you read elsewhere, (which we do not know how much, how accurate or how diverse they are) - in your thinking, appears to be correct? Not so? And the Igbo have never treated others with scorn, is that what you think?

Ngozi123:
I've also experienced some of these anti-Igbo sentiments irl. It's very subtle and you have to be extremely observant to witness it but there you go... Like I said, there are many good Yorubas and other non-Igbos who do not harbour hatred for the Igbos but there are many who do and one must be cautious of this fact. Why are you going out of your way to try to prove that this isn't true?

Most people have experienced tribalistic sentiments from other ethnic groups, at one point or the other in their lives, especially if they live outside their own indigenous communities. I am not trying to prove anything, just to make it clear that because a few people in one ethnic group have made a comment, or believe in a particular way, it doesn't mean that every other person from that group holds the same view.

Secondly, people experiencing negative sentiments from other ethnic groups, is something that cuts across all ethnic groups not just the Igbo. Discrimination is not restricted to one particular group. So trying to garner books, articles and online media to show only your own people are being unfairly targeted is a biased approach to reality. Period.

Ngozi123:
I assume that you're referring to my post, right? If so then you couldn't be further from the truth. I've been collecting evidence for a while now that debunks many of the myths perpetuated by the Nigerian media, government and ordinary Nigerians. That 'oyinbo writer's' remark is one that is consistent with what I've seen on the internet, in books and in films. As for your last point, I acknowledge that there are many good Yoruba people out there who do not harbour hatred for the Igbos and even if they did, I still wouldn't hate them. However, this doesn't negate the fact that many Igbo people were mistreated at the hands of Yorubas before, during and after the war and most of this was done without any other reason than the utter hatred they had for Ndigbo. I will not sugarcoat my words just because some people will be offended.

Madam, free your mind! Even though I do not hail from the South-west, I have lived there long enough to realise that majority of the comments made on NL and other online forums, are not a true reflection of people that make up the wide & diverse ethnic group that hail from that area.

There have been nasty, vitriolic comments made by Igbo people against Yorubas in articles, books and online media. Do we then conclude that those remarks reflect what the entire Igbo ethnic group think of the Yorubas? Does it reflect the mindset of the average Igbo against the Yoruba? So why do you accept & hold one Oyinbo writer's comment about what some Yoruba folks said as sacrosanct? A statement that may even have been taken out of context, since you have not read the entire book where that quotation was lifted from? Can't you read, analyse & discern objectively what constitutes fact & fiction from what is placed before you? Chai!!

Even films, books and online media may (and often do) contain fiction or certain facts skewed to achieve a particular effect. So please read everything you come across with an objective mind.

gidgiddy:
If you cant answer a simple question then say you cant answer.

The Aburi agreement clearly stated that if any major decision on the future of Nigeria was to be made, Gowon had to first seek the concurance of all 4 Regional military Governors. Gowon signed this agreement.

So why did Gowon then break this agreement by abolishing the 4 Regions without seeking concurance?

And if you cannot conduct simple research, then just say so. PC Asiodu, a well-respected Igbo elder statesman gave a lucid insight into what transpired at Aburi, and also explained Gowon's efforts to make sure that most of what was discussed at Aburi, was captured in Decree 8 of 1967. And you are still here asking me petty questions that have already been answered in Asiodu's interview. Your people threw Decree 8 out of the window, and in so doing they closed the door to the implementation of the accord. After they did that, what obligation was there left for Gowon to consult all the 4 regional administrators before doing anything? Especially after Ojukwu had taken unilateral steps without consulting others, on various fronts?

What school did you go to again?

Gowon’s creation of 12 states in May 1967 has its root in Decree 8, 1967 which he promulgated in March as his answer to demands by Lt-Col Odumegwu Ojukwu for the implementation of the Aburi Accord, named after the venue in Ghana of the meeting held on January 4 and 5, 1967, at the initiative of the country’s military authorities to stem the drift towards the country’s disintegration which began with the first coup in January 1966.

As a result of that decree, the title of the military head of state changed from Supreme Commander to Commander-in-Chief and his word seized to be law without the support of the regional governors on subjects like commerce, industry, transport, armed forces, police and higher education. In addition, military area commands were to be created as part of the accord.
Apparently as military governor of the most aggrieved Eastern Region at the time, Lt-Colonel Ojukwu did not think these and other concessions were good enough.

Not even when the secretary of his government, Mr. N. U. Akpan said the said decree in his view “faithfully implemented the Aburi decisions,” as Professor Jonas Elaigwu quoted in his 2009 “Gowon: A Scholarly Biography of a Soldier-Statesman.”

However, whereas Ojukwu did not accept Decree 8 ‘67 as good enough, virtually all the senior technocrats who were at the Aburi talks condemned it as giving too much away against Nigeria’s interests. Read more at http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/columns/-true-federalism-and-all-that/148320.html#LyoiumQLala1kXfq.99

You can also read this:

“True federalism” and all that… By Mohammed Haruna | Publish Date: May 25 2016 5:00 AM |
In rejecting the decree, Ojukwu stood alone among his colleagues. And his rejection, along with other decisions he had taken like his seizure of some national assets in his region, led to the conclusion among the federal authorities that the man had made up his mind to curve his region into a sovereign nation.

Gowon’s state creation was partly his preemptive strike aimed at isolating Ojukwu. Contrary to the revisionism we have been subjected to all these decades, that move was widely acclaimed as wise. For, up until then giving minorities in each region their sub-regions was widely considered a solution to their agitations that had started even before Independence in 1960. Read more at http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/columns/-true-federalism-and-all-that/148320.html#LyoiumQLala1kXfq.99

Hehehe..... NL is so interesting. By their comments, ye shall know them. One oyinbo writer recounts a remark he heard from a small cross-section of an ethnic group, during a civil war when emotions were high and passions were inflamed. One simpleton recycles it here. And another cohort of his, decides that it is the gospel truth that defines every single member of that ethnic group. I laugh in Greek.

The South-Westerners that kept the rents that accrued from the property of the Igbo in Lagos during the civil war, and returned it to them, were obviously not part of the ethnic group the oyinbo writer was referring to. #JustlaughingoutLoud

gidgiddy:
Theres are questions you need to answer. Why did Gowon abolish the regions and create states when he knew that that the Aburi agreement fobade him from doing this?

This talk that Ojukwu got 80%, 85%, 90% of what he wanted is nonsense.

Gowon threw the entire Aburi agreement out of the window when he announced the abolishment of the regions on the 26th of May 1967.

This forced Ojukwu to seceed.

I have to give it Philip Effiong, he was a loyal Soldier. I read his book "Biafra my story".

Go back to the archives and read up on the events that led to the promulgation of Decree 8 of 1967. Do so with an open mind. Conduct your own independent, unbiased research - don't rely on hearsay and propaganda that claims Gowon threw Aburi out of the window. When you have done that with an objective perspective, you can then come back here to talk.

A continuation of P.C Asiodu's interview concerning Decree 8 of 1967:

WHY ABURI ACCORD FAILED, BY ASIODU |tnv | THE NIGERIAN VOICE |

Asiodu: But coming back from what I was saying. Go and read decree 8, if we had implemented it - in three months, we would have had four independent states.

Q: Why was it not implemented?

Asiodu: "Because, it didn't satisfy the Easterners. The decree had been promulgated by Gowon. It was to be implemented then. But it was seen by Ojukwu as not being sufficient. I am saying that politics is something which has to be played with some tact. Sometimes my brothers there see black and white where there is immediately green in between. Sometimes, there is really no finesse in politics. They will think the reality is not important as how you get there. The reality was that Nigeria was finished under decree number 8. The reality is that although it was finished, they didn't proclaim 'we hereby dissolve Nigeria'. But that was of no effect. You go and read it. But it was rejected...." https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/thread/12170/87243/1

Asiodu: "Then few of us- Alison Ayida, late Aliu Martins, myself, Abdulaziz, who served in the East, 'we went to ask Ojukwu what is it you want so that we could prepare the ground for a meaningful conference, where every side would know what they are saying.' Eventually, just as Ojukwu was warming up to tell us what he wanted , so that we could have come back to Lagos, sell those ideas to Gowon, and see if we can reach agreement, C. C. Mojekwu came and broke up the meeting.

He destroyed that last chance, and we flew back empty handed. Before they started cooking up the Aburi, they went to with unequal preparation. But before then, General Gowon was only communicating with him as an officer. He did know that behind Ojukwu, people were working. So, we didn't want Ojukwu to get the wrong impression. In anyway, we then agreed that a letter be prepared, addressed from my house, signed by Alison Ayida,who was in Oxford (cuts in, he was in Oxford too?) at the same time? Two of us signed this letter trying to spell out to him the consequences of what will happen if secession was declared. That there would be war and if there is war, until you vanquished federal authority, you will not get recognition which will give you access to the sea, and so on.

I can be embittered. I can feel for my people. But I have a duty to make sure that every step I take, I have calculated all the scenarios and make sure that in the worst scenario , I am not taking them to a worst decision. https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/thread/12170/87243/1

Here is another perspective on the Aburi Accord from an eye-witness;

WHY ABURI ACCORD FAILED, BY ASIODU |tnv THE NIGERIAN VOICE |

Q: You spoke about the coup, Ojukwu and the famous Aburi accord which tried to address some of these problems. What in your opinion led to the collapse of the Aburi Accord.

Asiodu: "You see unfortunately, the dramatist personae of the time, many of them have gone. Anything not founded on objectivity , transparency and truth cannot last. Somehow, Ojukwu persuaded Gowon that they were going to Aburi as gentlemen of the Nigerian Army to discuss certain things. Acknowledgement of what happened. Already, of course he knew that after the pogrom against Easterners, against Igbo in 1966, the Army, except in Lagos and the West had gone back to their places of origin. Now, no need bringing officials. So, guys we're going to talk as officers and gentlemen.

Of course Gowon did not inform his secretary to government. He did not tell anybody, until the eve of the day he was going. So, if you were going to a conference, you will normally say what is the agenda. You will prepare, with the assistance of the agenda. Think about them. Think about various scenarios, and go and discuss. That didn't happen.

"Lo and behold when they reached Aburi, there was Ojukwu with a battery of permanent secretaries and one of the most formidable intellect this country has ever produced, Dr Pius Okigbo. All in the delegation. Who went with Gowon? Nobody. Not even secretary to the government. None of the so-called permanent secretaries. And they went there and talked and said they reached agreement. He stepped down as supreme military commander and they talked about the divisions in the Nigerian army and if Nigeria was attacked, then they will consult and decide whether they are going to fight. "https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/thread/12170/87243/1

Asiodu:"When they subjected this Aburi accord to simple analysis, it was simply saying Nigeria is no more practically. And as far as was concerned, the civil war or no civil war, then chaos would have started later. All the same, we said look, … if we still want to be a country….authority which deals with customs, currency, federal trunk roads, foreign and external defences, that is more than enough for a government. But it must be able to act.

You can not say that in the Ministry of Defence, you can not promote somebody a Lt Col, except you have a unanimity. You cannot move one plane to another place except through unanimity. Even when you have those limited powers, they must be able to function. And you cannot function in the context of those things they said. And then what you have is four countries.

Q:And the permanent secretaries vetoed it?
Asiodu: "No. The permanent secretary made analysis and said look, if you are really serious, if you say you are having Nigeria, you must have central function which must be fulfilled. There is no need saying this is central function and you cannot fulfill it. So, we analysed and said these were based on incorrect premises. People came with proper papers, well formulated. The other side just went thinking they were going to do initial breaking of the ice. Therefore, please try to reconcile this to ensure that we still have a country.

Gowon in fairness, vetoed that approach, and still proceeded to have decree number 8 of 1967. If you go and read that decree, and if the East had accepted that decree, there would have been no need for secession. Nigeria would have disintegrated within three months. And you can not move anybody without unanimity. You collect revenue, you cannot transfer it…"

Q: Decree 8 was an affirmation of Aburi accord?
Asiodu: It was an affirmation of the Aburi accord which gave the East under Ojukwu, more than 95 per cent of what Aburi meant. But because there were maybe one or two phrases which they didn't like, if they read that thing and it is still there, they have got what they wanted. But if was such, that hostilities would have broken out among four independent countries. Not one on one.

And I think, we don't have much time now. With the present challenges in the country and the lack of serious effort to address the issue, we may even be in worse position if we are not careful. Because, this time, it will not be federal versus Biafra, but among 110 million people. So we are going to end up with warlords, if authorities should finally break down and I appeal to God that we avoid that, by stopping all these jokes as if we can continue milking this country forever.

What we are doing is not sustainable. And the sooner we address, try to create a new national austerity programme, discipline ourselves, decide that we cannot be millionaires, billionaires in little islands with a whole ocean of poor wretched people, there would be this tsunami which will overwhelm all of us.https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/thread/12170/87243/1

T9ksy:
Haba! Have you forgotten the mad old prof(?) Dede with his big grammers devoid of any iota of substance never mind fact, so soon? Every discourse he jumps into, is always filled with inanities and sheer obfuscations, that's, when he's not trying to rewrite history with

the mind of a wounded soldier who's got a shrapnel stuck in his frontal lobe since the biafran (Nigerian) oil war.

Oh, yes!! Now I remember.... LWKMD!!

T9ksy:
GBABE!!!

He's an ardent student of DEDEISM school of thought though at times i believe, it's a genetic trait.

Hehehe, don't mind him. His middle name is 'Revisionist.' He always writes from a skewed & warped perspective. Take everything he tells you, with 10 pinches of salt. Because by the time you go back & verify what he has written, you will see that it is filled with half-truths, riddled with conjecture & twisted to suit his weird brand of propaganda. By the way.... what is 'DEDEISM School of Thought?' Can you shed more light on this?

Have you read the text and composition of Decree 8 of 1967? It more or less turned Nigeria into a confederation, making the regional governors powerful and the centre (SMC) quite weak.

Regional control of resources as agreed by the SMC was also provided for, in that decree.

That decree gave Ojukwu most of his demands and could have averted the civil war if he had agreed to it.

Ojukwu: Hero or Villain? | By Max Siollun on December 16, 2007

The federal government attempted to implement the Aburi agreement in diluted form by enacting a modified Constitution (Suspension and Modification) Decree which turned Nigeria into a de facto confederation. Ojukwu declined to accept the initial draft and insisted on a full and complete implementation of the accords reached at Aburi.

Nonetheless as the weaker party he could still have showed greater pragmatism to spare further suffering for his people. At this point Ojukwu’s decision making must be questioned. Ojukwu would have saved many lives had he shown a greater degree of flexibility by accepting the Decree as it gave him 90% of what he wanted. In the “winner takes all” mentality that is so symptomatic of Nigerian politics, Ojukwu unrealistically held out for 100% of his demands and in the end, received 0%.

His intransigence placed him and his people in a worse position than they started in. Rather than turning Nigeria into a confederation (which is what Decree 8 did), Ojukwu ’s intransigence gave the federal government an opportunity to overrun the Eastern Region, carve the country into several states and concentrate massive powers in the central government. Forty years later many Nigerians now call for the restructuring of Nigeria, and for devolution of power to its regions.

Ojukwu had a golden opportunity to achieve this over 40 years ago but squandered it. Had he shown some patience he may have achieved his objectives – albeit at a later date. The old adage is that “the best comes to those who wait.”

Ojukwu could have taken a leaf from the book of another infant country named Israel. For several decades Jews fought to be given their own state in what was then British Mandate Palestine. In 1947, they were granted their state but only on half the land that they wanted.

Realizing that it is best to accept what is achievable today, rather than risk holding out for 100% and getting nothing, Israel’s first leader David Ben-Gurion accepted a state but cleverly did not enunciate the borders of this state – this leaving the door open to agitate for more land at a later date. Today the “green line” borders of Israel encompass more land than it originally had at independence. [/color] https://maxsiollun./tag/ojukwu/

KelleneOkonkwo:
You this jobless man. You have abandon your Igboid moniker and switch to this one again. That was how you told your kinsmen here to leave nairaland during the Rule 9 saga but you quickly switched to a new handle. Typical descendant of the coward Ojukwu. lol

Una no go kill person with laugh for dis place!!

Lucasinho:
B*I*A*F*R*A will Rise AgaiN

Keep dreaming...

Bros, you 'gree =N=3.5 mill?

jaybee:
Are you insinuating that the coward-in-thief had no gun to do the needful?

Chisos! ROFLMAO! The malt wey dey my hand just fall down, as laugh grip me when I read your reply. Take time, o! You just let me waste di money wey I take buy this malt...

KelleneOkonkwo:
Trash and lies. So you were avoiding destructions when you invaded the midwest down to Ore. You people lie so easily, ojukwu remains a coward and may he rot in hell. Phillip Effiong, Joe Achuzie, and Victor Banjo are the true biafran heroes.

Those chaps you mentioned were not the only heroes.

The real heroes were the casualties of that war who were dragged into battles they were not consulted about, or equipped to fight.

The real heroes were the innocent voices of reason that tried to talk Ojukwu out of settling scores by using arms, whose counsel he did not heed.

The real heroes were those who protested against the brutality they saw within Ojukwu's Eastern enclave during those 30 months of horror, but whose calls were not heeded. Instead he called them saboteurs & cut short their existence.

The real heroes were those who lost friends, brothers, relatives and loved ones in that war, but still managed to pick up the pieces of their lives with scars in their hearts.

May time continue to heal their pain.

Another view of Ojukwu.

How much is the software?

Arch1:
Boss Man, Can you please recommend me books about the Biafra war. Those written by both foreign and local authors. Thanks

Well, I will try to recommend a few.

There are many perspectives of the war, because there were many participants in that war. War is not pretty. And there are always casualties, on all sides.

Different books on the events that took place at that time need to be read along with other accounts of the Civil War, in order to compare the different perspectives so that readers can draw their own conclusions. Some of the books listed below are independent accounts of the war.

Please read the following:

1). Reflections on the Nigerian Civil War : Facing the Future by Ralph Uwechue
Publisher: Trafford Publishing (2004) 236pp
ISBN-1412223628,
ISBN-9781412223621
Read the review here: http://meniru..com/2009/10/ojukwu-or-uwechue-who-is-biafran-war.html

2). Oil, Politics and Violence: Nigeria's Military Coup Culture (1966-1976) by Max Siollun
Published by Algora Publishing (2009) 268pp.
ISBN-13: 978-0875867083
ISBN-10: 0875867081
Read the review here: https://maxsiollun./my-book/

3). The Biafran War: The Struggle for Modern Nigeria by Michael Gould
Published by I. B. Tauris (2013) 288pp
ISBN-10: 1780764634
ISBN-13: 978-1780764634

4). There Was a Country: A Personal History of Biafra Hardcover by Chinua Achebe
Publisher: Penguin Press; US (2012) 352pp
ISBN-10: 9781594204821
ISBN-13: 978-1594204821
ASIN: 1594204829
Please read the 1st review here: http://www.nigeriaintel.com/2013/03/31/biafra-the-facts-the-fiction/
Please read the 2nd review: http://www.amazon.com/There-Was-Country-Personal-History/dp/1594204829/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
Please read the 3rd review: http://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/108978-achebes-there-was-a-country-an-outsiders-review-by-femke-van-zeijl.html ; http://adegoke.info/2015/04/19/stop-teaching-tribal-superiority/

4). The Nigerian Revolution and the Biafran War by Alexander A. Madiebo
Publisher: Fourth Dimension Publishing Co.; Reissue edition (2000) 424pp
ISBN-10: 9781561173
ISBN-13: 978-9781561177
2 reviews here: http://www.amazon.com/The-Nigerian-Revolution-Biafran-War/dp/9781561173

5) The Tragedy of Victory: On-the-spot Account of the Nigeria-Biafra War in the Atlantic by Godwin Alabi-Isama
Publisher: Spectrum Books Limited, Ibadan, Nigeria (2013) 757pp
ASIN: B00G6HFDRQ
File Size: 18071 KB
Kindle e-book available
Please read the review here: http://www.amazon.com/The-Tragedy-Victory-spot-Nigeria-Biafra-ebook/dp/B00G6HFDRQ
Please read the 2nd review: http://dailyindependentnig.com/2014/02/alabi-isamas-tragedy-of-victory-a-review-2/

According to Nigerian scholars in 2011, over 69 books and pamphlets, 53 government publications, 3 bibliographies and various theses have
been published on the 30 month long Nigerian Civil War that took place between 1967 and 1970. In the US, over 2,000 books were written about their own civil war.

So there is still a need to write more. People need to tell their stories about what happened during the war, because in the words of Chimamanda Adichie "we all remember differently."

josite:
Obviously his expertise centres around genocide and he has nil experience in prosecution of money laundering and corruption cases. This is a pure example of creating an opportunity for him to chop at the behest of the Osinbajo's. Wish him luck.

He does have experience in money laundering cases. Did you read the Wikipedia article from beginning to end?

His experience in handling genocide cases could also come in useful, as the burden of proof is higher and detailed forensic investigation needs to be done in order to win such cases.

LorDBolton:
Do u mind that Very dull guy.

They tried tooth-and-nail to kill ejoor

Infact he's as stupid as the ojukwu whose blunder opened up the "neutral" Midwest to FG who now launched decisive actions from there against biafran forces who were blowing up every bridge while retreating.

Thieves who looted the city and CBN

Azzin i'm perturbed that guy could be soo dull

They guy has a Ph.d when it comes to turning logic on its' head.

Hehehe.... wey my mat, my popcorn and my malt drink? Na on top this thread I go match brake today.

Nothing wey person no go see for here. Biafran soldiers did not want to hold on to the Mid-West .... hehehe.... yet they appointed a military administrator for them, and even renamed the whole area. I love this tales by moonlight! Wonders shall never end!

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Kristoclear:
#smh. C'mon! No be so na. This girl jus fall our hand, and a 17 for dat matter.

Nigerians dont do dis na.
We dnt do suicides, no.
We dnt take antidepressants, no
We dnt go to see shrinks, no we dnt f**kn do it

Why? Because we are Nigerians. As it is, being a Nigerian is enough. We are definitely mentally stronger dan depression or anxiety attacks or whatever. Thats the Nigerian orientation.

Its so unfortunate for this poor little gurl. Certain things and certain people has failed her, and I'm not talking about the old dude shagging her.

No be.....wetin? Nigerians don't do depression? Says who? Guy, wake up, o! Is it because some Nigerians choose to play the ostrich, by pretending mental illness does not exist? Or is it because the other half of Nigerians are quick to attribute cases of depression, anxiety attacks etc., to spiritual causes, witches & wizards instead of seeking professional help?

Bros, these things are increasing by the day, and people need to wake up and seek concrete solutions to it. I blame the girl's family for not providing her with the right kind of emotional and financial support she needed to pull through the situation. As for the guy, the thunder that will fire him is still doing press-up at the international airport. May the girl's soul haunt him for life!

AnonyNymous:
@the bolded
Get your facts right. The North didn't hold Yoruba's hostage. Although Awolow betrayed Ojukwu by refusing to secede at the same time Ojukwu did, it was because he did what he thought was best for his people. Nigeria had discovered new resources and only a fool would miss out on his region's share in Nigeria's new found wealth.

Erm... how did Awolowo betray Ojukwu??

AnonyNymous:
For the ones calling Ojukwu a hero
GEJ is also a hero to them
Even if the person is a failure
If I were Igbo I'd be really mad at Ojukwu
And happy with this guy who did the right thing

**When Robert E. Lee saw that he was losing, he decided to put an end to the bloodiest war in US history by declaring the surrender of the Confederate States of America, making the country cease to exist and joining back with the United States of America. He was respected because he did the right thing. Ojukwu on the other hand abandoned his people by cowardly dressing up as a woman and fleeing.

With regards to the part in bold type..... truer words have never been spoken!!

Whytelyon:
For the Biafra, I'd check.

Now let's get to El zakzaky, I see the issue as antics used to send the man to prison. Let me ask you,the official you talking about here must be Muslim, and the majority religion or rather religious party in terms of Islam is the Sunni muslims go figure.

I'd like you in detail to prove how the Shia muslims in your area have jumped a law or two. Pls in detail expanciate.

Now Nnamdi Kanu isn't obviously happy with how his people are treated, for him to be this die hard, wouldn't you think he has a backing? It's quite obvious this man is getting Biafra from the way I see it.... that's from the way I see it o.. and show me how Nnamdi Kanu disregard law and order. I seriously wonder when you decide to kill people and not live with them,the man decides to oppose and be like "we want our own republic " I don't see it as an offence na.

Sir, a response to all your questions above has been provided in all my previous replies to you. It is unclear why you have chosen to disregard them. Instead you keep repeating the same questions over and over again, using different words.

El-Zakzaky's issue has everything to do with his continuous contempt for the authorities, incessant security breaches, wilful disregard for law and order, harbouring criminal elements amongst his sect members, and unleashing mayhem within his community. But please do not take my word for it, you can Google up other reports that have been made against his sect. Complaints launched against him, have very little to do with the fact that El-Zakzaky is a Shi'ite muslim or a Sunni. If you have proof of his innocence, kindly forward it to the appropriate authorities.

It is NOT my call to prove how Shia muslims have breached the law. Ask those who were at the receiving end. Once El-Zakzaky gets his day in court, all his actions will be laid bare.

I am not against Kanu getting his Biafra, what I abhor are his repeated calls for violence and the vitriolic slurs and bile he unleashes against other ethnic groups, in his quest to form his new republic. In the 21st Century, there are far more peaceful ways of achieving his objective. He can start by lobbying all the SE legislators to raise the issue in the house, and then get them to withdraw their services from the red & green chambers, (i.e. Senate & House of Reps) as a prelude to achieving his aim. I assure you, the whole country would sit up.

Anyone like Kanu who is capable of spreading such hateful divisive rhetoric, deserves whatever comes his way.

Whytelyon:
Well, who wouldn't support the biafrans. The one sided mentality your leader brought upon us is affecting me, don't get cross .

Who wouldn't support the Biafrans? Why don't you tell me? So far their South-Eastern legislators, ministers, top govt officials, industrialists and top businessmen havwe declined to show any open support for their cause. Go figure!

Whytelyon:
And El zakzaky, like I asked what's his crime? In Islam there are 2 major sects, Sunni and Shia. Sunni has been in control,no one is complaining, the Shia do not feel comfortable with the Sunni and hence they don't accept most sordid principles, the caliph and the rest, now Sunni sees them as well as kwhariji as demon worshippers.

Question is, if you have an issue to resolve with religion,why not resolve it amicably As a leader And don't bring Quranic fulfilment of who's devil worshipper or not? Who religion don help?

I don't hate buhari, his actions make me hate him every day. There isn't a day that goes that we wouldn't hear a thing or two about muslims - not positive stories. Who over religion don help?

Now I close again with this. The Shia are muslims like Sunni muslims, they should practise what they believe in. Cos I know if Sunni islam succeeds in Nigeria the Christians would be next on line for attack. That's what I have been hammering on.

Quranic Obligation should die away at this time. Shia or not,let them practise what they believe in,unless the Sunni muslims have something else to hide.

Release Nnamdi Kanu and El Zakzaky. I'm a christian from the ibo tribe mind you.

Obviously you did not read the report from The Nation quoted in my last post where a leading community leader expressed the frustrations of his people at the antics of El-Zakzaky's sect. Please go back and read it with an open mind, because the man was simply expressing the feelings of his people at how the actions of El-Zakzaky's sect had led to the break down of law, peace, order and security in their northern community. His incarceration was not based on religion. His followers were not praying peacefully in a mosque somewhere, when they were arrested.

Finally, bros your ethnic group is not the subject of discussion but Nnamdi Kanu's antics and El-Zakzaky's wanton disregard for law & order.

Why has the federal govt chosen an international lawyer to prosecute this case when there are tons of SANs and other lawyers on our shores who could do the job?

Charles Ayodeji Adeogun-Phillips (born in London, England, on 6 March 1966) is a former genocide and war crimes prosecutor, international lawyer, and founder of Charles Anthony (Lawyers) LLP.

He was the son of Professor Anthony Adeyemi Adeogun, Professor Emeritus of Commercial and Industrial Law and Deputy Vice-Chancellor, University of Lagos, an international labour law expert. His mother, Margaret Amba Ayinke Adeogun (née Williams), is a retired nurse and midwife.

He is a grandson of Phillip Bamgbose and Theresa Fatola Adeogun of Ajale Compound Igbajo, Osun State, Federal Republic of Nigeria, and of Henry Isaac Kobina-Badu Williams, of Cape Coast, Republic of Ghana and Joanna Olasumbo Williams of Itesi, Abeokuta, Ogun State, Federal Republic of Nigeria. His name "Ayodeji" means "My joy is doubled".

Education

He was educated at C.M.S Grammar School, Lagos, Nigeria's first secondary school (founded in 1859) and at Repton School in Derbyshire, England. He read law at Warwick University from where he graduated in 1989 and at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, where he obtained his master's degree in International Commercial Arbitration and ADR in 1994. He was admitted as a Barrister and Solicitor of the Supreme Court of Nigeria in 1992 and in 1996, as a Solicitor of the Supreme Court of England and Wales.

International legal career

In March 2001 at the age 35, he was appointed senior trial attorney and lead counsel at the United Nations International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, leading teams of international lawyers in the prosecution of persons involved in the 1994 Rwandan genocide in which an estimated 800,000 civilians were killed.

His work on behalf of the victims and survivors of the 1994 Rwandan genocide has been the subject of several books including-- "Le Tribunal des vaincus: UN Nuremberg pour le Rwanda?" (the court of the defeated) by Thierry Cruvellier, and annotated leading cases of international criminal tribunals. He also appears in a documentary film entitled Towards Reconciliation, Produced by the United Nations in 2004.

The genocide trial which he led between 2001 and 2002 against Pastor Elizaphan Ntakirutimana—the leader of the Seventh Day Adventist Church who was transferred to the UN Court from the United States, was the subject of a book written by the American author Philip Gourevitch entitled "we wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed with our families".

He also led the trial against serial rapist Mikaeli Muhimana involving charges of sexual violence and cruelty against women between 2004 and 2005. The Muhimana case clarified and developed the jurisprudence of the international criminal tribunals on the legal elements and definition of the crime of rape in the context of large scale and widespread international crimes.

Having led complex plea negotiations in the Vincent Rutaganira – Paul Bisengimana trials between 2004 and 2007—resulting in guilty pleas to serious violations of international humanitarian law, Adeogun-Phillips is one of the few international litigation lawyers in the world who have contributed to the development and practice of guilty plea negotiations in the context of large-scale international crimes.

In addition, between 17 June and 2 October 2009, he led a team of international prosecutors the retrial of Tharcisse Muvunyi on the charges of direct and public incitement to commit genocide. He had led the original trial in the said case between 28 February 2005 and 23 June 2006 following which the defendant was convicted. On 29 August 2008, the Appeals Chamber reversed all the convictions against the defendant and ordered a retrial on the charge of direct and public incitement to commit genocide. The retrial in the Muvunyi case in 2009 was the first of its kind before any of the international tribunals....

Charles joined the United Nations Organization as a lawyer in January 1998 following several years of legal practice in London and Lagos.
Since commencing his practice as an international litigation lawyer over a decade ago, he has to date prosecuted twelve genocide trials before an international court, ten of which he led successfully as senior trial attorney and lead counsel. Read the rest here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_A._Adeogun-Phillips

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A man of courage, compassion and integrity who did the best he could, to end the carnage of the civil war, and save further lives from being lost at a time when it mattered most. You took a step many could not have taken - a step that some thought was unpopular, but necessary. Your courage will always be remembered. For this reason, many of us remain thankful, and will always be. We remember you with gratitude. We remember you with warmth. We remember you with love. You will always live on in our hearts.

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Whytelyon:
You did speak like someone who's with his senses. And these are the kind of people I like to have formal interactions of politics with.

Well ipob members haven't started going about with weapons killing people in the guise to start their own republic or have they? Shows they doing things mature,not like these Boko Haram which is political and influenced by the northern leaders themselves.

Don't mind these "I hear, I say" politicians. It's just as the same Buhari is keeping el zakzaky reprimanded, what would he tell the general public that is their crimes, Kanu's crime is declaring a republic because his people are treated badly,and El zakzaky reprimanded as well for freedom of religion. This is a democratic system of government we run, not Sharia. Someone should explain the difference to this cattle herder before something evil would be done in this nation.

It does appear from your response that you condone, or tacitly support Kanu's hate rhetoric. And there are several examples littered all through history, of how hate mongering, and verbal attacks have led to altercations and clashes with disastrous consequences, for all those involved. So should the govt wait until Kanu's supporters start carrying arms, before something gets done? .

Please listen to Radio Biafra and the expletives launched against other ethnic groups, and you would realise what a divisive, vitriolic tool Kanu has created to achieve his ambitions. If other ethnic groups were to respond in kind to Kanu's vitriol, what do you think would be the end result? Yes, his supporters have not carried arms yet, but they have been inflamed by his mindless rhetoric to conduct protest marches which has cost some of them their lives. There are records of Kanu visiting the US to solicit for arms, from South-Eastern people in diaspora. And he solicited for their help, in order to take up arms against the Nigerian state. Please check the meaning of 'sedition,' and ask any legal practitioner if Kanu does not have a case to answer.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition

As for El-Zakzaky, I believe he should be arraigned in court as soon as possible, and prosecuted for his actions. Keeping him in jail only prolongs the matter, and does not create any long-term solutions. If you ask law-abiding northerners what they think of El-Zakzaky, you would discover that many of them do not have any sympathy for his current travails.

He has brainwashed his followers to confront and oppose govt at every turn, and continuously flout even the most basic security rules of the state. And if a sect continuously breaks the laws with impunity, do they expect govt agencies to turn the other cheek always? Once peace, law and order are continually flouted by a sect, their actions would breed anarchy.

Every govt has a duty to enforce law, order, peace & security. Flout the law if you wish, but please be ready to pay the price no matter how difficult and taxing, it may be. Am out.

A Chieftain of Gyellesu community, Malam Mu’izzu Daruddeen recently said, Zazzau Emirate is now safe and conducive without Sheik Ibrahim El-zakzaky. He said, the ancient city and its environs had recorded “sudden positive change” in its day-to-day activities.

According him, “as peace loving organisation and patriotic citizens of this nation, we are in support of anything that will promote peace, unity and harmonious relationship among people. Every resident of Zaria is affected directly or indirectly by the self-acclaimed powers and disregard for traffic rules by the Shi’ite members in Zaria, especially when it comes to the use of public roads.

“These Shi’ite members consider any other person as a second class citizen who has no rights and privileges. Whenever the leader of the Shi’ite was going for preaching, he would be escorted by youths bearing dangerous weapons. These boys traumatised and brutally dealt with anybody while El-zakzaky was on transit. Complaints to police at different times did not yield any result,” he said.

When El-zakzaky was in Gyallesu, the area became a home to all kinds of criminals because his boys did not allow uniform personnel into the area, no matter the level of crime committed. These boys used to search anybody that is coming into the area irrespective of his or her status.

“Again, once they lock up the gates at night you have no right to go out for whatever reason. The kind of loyalty these boys accorded El-zakzaky was second to none. They see him as a messiah. They neither have respect for constitution nor any constituted authority. His instruction is the final.” Daruddeen said.

Cracks in the wall

However, since the detention of the IMN leader, things have not been the same with the Shi’ite group. One, the December incident has no doubt crippled the group’s excesses and robbed it of its excessive powers. Secondly, the Zakzaky who has the direct link with those funding the group in Iran is out of reach of his followers.

His absence has equally led to what can be termed as the fictionalization of the Shi’ite group. Though, its leader yet unknown, a faction of the movement has, since the arrest of Zakzaky dissociated itself from the Zakzaky led IMN. It has equally continued to preach against Zakzaky the principles for which the detained leader stood.

The IMN which felt threatened by the the development recently issued a warning circular to its members. The circular issued by a chieftain of the IMN Media Forum, Abdulmumini Giwa, alleged that the faction was a parallel Shi’ite group created by the Israeli and Saudi Arabian authorities. http://thenationonlineng.net/zaria-shiites-without-el-zakzaky/

Whytelyon:
Why call him an Idiot. What's his offence? That he doesn't like the way he's treated and his people are not taken as humans and rather rags,that even made your president call them 5% and you call him an idiot?

My guy calm down. He didn't take your wife na haba , no be so.

Well, I can't answer for the chap you first quoted. But in my view, Kanu deserves every vile epithet he is called for setting up a radio station to incite his followers against other ethnic groups, and making repeated calls for violence. Anyone who incites others to take up arms, in order to desecrate the peace of the land should pay dearly for it. The Rwandan war was triggered off with much less rhetoric of hate, than Kanu's radio station spewed out.

He should have sought peaceful ways of getting his proposed republic.