₦airaland Forum

Super1Star:
Ilorin has never been a strategic nadal in yorubaland. It was only a military outpost, that later turned to refugee camp from people fleeing the jihadist madness in Hausaland and other northern places. It later became a place of solace for muslims in yorubaland. It was a town founded by Afonja, the yoruba Generalissimo of that time because an Aare Ona Kakanfo cannot stay in the same town as the Alaafin, who is the Emperor.

Ilorin lacks any influence. Hence, the emirates or whatever you call it, never extended beyond the town Ilorin. Even Jebba that is our closest town to the north was never conquered. How can fulani walk 100km into the heart of yorubaland without waging any war and conquering any land and suddenly declared that they conquered Ilorin? Ilorin emirate came to be as a result of the active connivance of the yoruba muslims in Ilorin, as at then.

When the yoruba muslims and their foreign mercenaries of hausas and fulanis took their jihad nonsense beyond the gate of Ilorin, they met their waterloo. Till date, the whole of Ilorin is still surrounded by yoruba Obas. That says it all.

Get your fact right.

Say when the Yoruba jihadists ventured out of Ilorin led by Abdulsalam Alimi's son, they were stopped, then another Alimi's son led them, after that, the following leaders were Yorubas, Oba Moma who was Afonja and Sulayman who was Ajikobi. The present Emir is a member of Balogun Gambari. The Fulani dont have the numbers nor the influence to instal a Fulani Emir in Ilorin. The Yoruba were frustrated by the Northern region government and subsequent military governments. All that will end soon.

Pablo Africanus, you seem to be one of the Igbo spoilers lol, who can not miss an opportunity to jest about this Ilorin matter.

You see, Oyo, Ijesa, Benin, Ijebu and etc were Ife successor states while Ilorin, Ibadan, Dahomey, Egba, Ogbomosho were Oyo successors, all of them, especially Ilorin, Egba and Dahomey rebelled against Oyo, nowadays the Ibadan do not see themselves as under Oyo. Ilorin tried to reduce some others to tributary status as did the Dahomey, Ilorin was Muslim like Iwo so the moves to reduce others to tributary status was viewed as a jihad. Iwo never did that, there lies the difference. None of the links you posted said Ilorin had a Fulani Emir in 1897 when it came under Britain. Type Oba Moma and Oba Sulayman Dan Aliyu into google and see what will come up. So Ilorin rulers use the title Oba and Emir is merely a newspaper title.


I agree with you that it is possible for an Imam with political ambitions to manipulate things, I concede that but it was not successful in Ilorin, the manipulation did not work as there were Yoruba Muslims who senior the man. Shitta Bey was honoured by the Ottoman Turks who were the strongest Muslims in the world as at that time.


So use your brains as a sharp Igbo man. How can Ilorin be in Sokoto caliphate while Jebba is not and New Bussa is not? Ilorin was a Yoruba Muslim state placed under Britain by an Ajikobi Oba. The people would have to be complete morons to allow the Fulani rule them that time. Islam was not popular among Yorubas like among Hausas. People's eyes were wide open. Hausas were more immersed in the religion and were carried away. So, Ilorin was not under Fulani, neither was Jebba, 100 kms to the North, nor Baruten, New Bussa or any Bariba land, no Ebira or Igala land under Fulanis and the present Emir of Ilorin is Yoruba of Hausa descent though I will admit the Yoruba group Hausas and Fulanis together as collaborators. There is a saying Gambari pa Fulani, ko lejo ninu. Meaning 'Do not mention the case of a Fulani man unjustly killed by a Hausa man in my court', that is an Oyo saying reflecting the politics of the time.


So you are the one to brace up to reality. The Fulani never occupied Ilorin at any time and 4 out of 6 Ilorin Baloguns are Yoruba, Ilorin was a renegade Yoruba Islamic state successor of Oyo and signed under British protection by an Oyo prince who was a Mallam shown in the picture displayed on this thread,

GorkoSusaay:
There is Suleyman dan Aliyu, the 6th Emir of Ilorin.
Lawani's "Ajikobi descendant" wearing a turban and a thawb

All Ilorin people even Ibadan Muslims wear turban, Ijesa Muslims wear turban. So turban is not indicative of origin. The person who signed Ilorin under Britain was a member of Ajikobi and the document is still with the Ajikobi. I have been trying to do more research but it seems there are not enough materials online. The Ajikobi have the protection document till today. It is very shameful to be going about claiming successful Hausas and Yorubas as Fulanis when they are not. These are people with thousands of years of sedentary culture. Be contented with what you got. No Ajikobi, Afonja, Alanamu, Baba isale will ever claim to be Fulani even if the Balogun Gambari and Balogun Fulani are doing so. To hold Ilorin under Fulani was impossible back then, people back then were no fools. The majority of the Baloguns were Yorubas, the Bariba were Yoruba allies, even the Balogun Gambari Karara submitted himself under Oba Moma approved by the Alaafin. He did so to avoid calamity. Do you think it was a play or what?. We are talking of life and death. The Ilorin were surrounded by Bariba, Igbomina and Jebba, all Yoruba and Yoruba allies. Any attempt to put a Fulani as head would have resulted into their annihilation, the total annihilation of all the Fulanis in Ilorin. DONT BE A FOOL.


My own great grandfather was a turban wearing Imam.

The Afonjas stayed in Ilorin because the Fulani never conquered Ilorin, their father was merely killed by Yoruba Muslims. In contrast to that there is no Basorun Gaha family in Oyo anymore. Those who did not escape were killed. Today, maybe you will find them in Oyo outposts like Badagry and Ajase now called Porto Novo.

naijaking1:
I will come in here, because your history is not accurate.
Even standard West African history textbooks-read all over the World, will detail how Alimi maneuvered himself into Afonja's court, advised him to rebel against his king in Oyo, and turned around to oust Afonja himself, when he knew the man no longer had the backing of the might Oyo empire and king.
Your account is at best a weak attempt to modify history.

Stop deceiving yourself. An onion seller and Quranic teacher was in no position to out manouver the Aare Ona Kakanfo, he commanded no troops and Ilorin was never at any time dominated by non Yorubas. The place was dominated by Yoruba Muslims who killed Afonja. Afonja could not have surrounded himself with majority non Yorubas, since he was not a fool. The Afonja descendants say Alimi died before Afonja and that it was Abdulsalam his son that led a rebellion of Muslims against Afonja when Afonja said the position of Chief Imam is not hereditary, Afonja was killed in the rebellion by mainly Yoruba Muslims. Muslims were attacked across Yoruba land and they fled to Ilorin. Subsequently they delineated themselves under 6 Baloguns of which 4 were Yoruba and conducted jihads from Ilorin, at first led by Abdulsalam, then later by others, the last two or three Obas of Ilorin before 1897 were Yorubas but they could not allign with Ibadan and Oyo who see them as traitors who burnt down Oyo ile. So they dilly dallied, they allied with Ibadan, then with Ijesa until the Ajikobi put them under British protection in 1897. Balogun Ajikobi still have the document. If Fulani had conquered Ilorin, then they would have conquered Bariba and Jebba as well. The Hausa presence in Ilorin is stronger by far than the Fulani, their Balogun is strong while the Balogun Fulani is more or less nominal. So, what is the rationale behind spreading false tales that Ilorin was conquered by the Fulani?. Please stop the lies, let us endeavor to speak truth always. Even if Ilorin was occupied by the Fulani (such never happened). It is still a fact that Oba Sulaiman Dan Aliyu put Ilorin under Britain and he was an Ajikobi man. The document is still with the Ajikobi.

Super1Star:
Iwo is my home town.

The founder of Iwo was a direct prince from Ife. There was no way they could have turned to renegades, no matter what they could have chosen to worship. Iwo remains the only town that has a quarters in Ile-Ife till today. Their tie to the Yoruba spiritual centre outweighs any religion they could have embraced.

Ilorin's story was simply of renegades like you pointed out. Their saving grace was the fact that the whole yorubaland was locked in a civil war and that was what the treacherous fulanis took advantage of. If only a unit of Oyo Army death Ilorin so much eternal blow that they could not expand their Kingdom or emirate beyond Ilorin again, imagine what a united yoruba Army would have done. Maybe they would have placed the head of Dan Fodio on a stake and blot out Sokoto from the surface of the earth.

We have had centuries of trade Relationship with the hausas and other Northern ethnicities before the arrival of the blood thirsty land grabbers from Fouta Jallon.

The present line of Oluwos are descended from Ooni Luwo Gbaguda, a woman Ooni of Ife who was very successful but Iwo has always been there thousands of years before the Oduduwa dynasty was inaugurated. The word Iyawo meaning wife was coined by Orunmila after he got married after suffering under the Oluwo to marry his daughter. Aya was the word for wife and is still used.

Super1Star:
Kudos to lawani, you have given a new perspective to the Ilorin issue.

I have the Ibadan warriors to blame. After routing the Fulanis or Ilorins in Osogbo/Ikirun and pursuing them down to Ilorin gate, they should have taken it a step further by conquering that city once again.

My only fear is they could have massacred the whole city for treason against Alaafin. Probably they also felt the population willingly converted to Islam, why should they liberate them.

The fact remains, no Army on.planet earth ever conquered an inch of yoruba land. Ilorin was a collaboration between foreigners and the citizens.

Unfortunately for them Ilorin is surrounded by yorubaland with Obas. To the north is Jebba, to the north west is Atakpame in Togo, to the south is Offa, to the SW is Ogbomosho, to the west is Oke-Ogun and to the East is Omu Aran, to the South East is the land of Igbominas and Ekitis and to the North East is Kaaba.

The Emirates is a mere nomenclature chosen by the people as they so wish. The day they are tired of it, they will burn down the palace and probably install an Emperor.

Compare Ibadan to Ilorin today and you will see they are no match. Offa was allied with Ibadan as well as Ogbomosho, Ijesa allied with Ilorin during the Kiriji war. The Ibadan did not occupy Ilorin simply because they were fighting on five fronts at thesame time, Ijesa, Ijebu and etc. The Muslims were not removed from Ilorin because the other Yoruba were not united and were fighting each other, then there were Muslims in other Yoruba cities, the Balogun of Iwo was a Muslim, his name was Ali and he was allied with Ibadan, they practiced Sharia as well. The people in Ilorin were afraid of an Ibadan massacre and would not allign with Ibadan if they could avoid such, so they allied with Ijesa who were opponents of Ibadan. The Fulani never invaded Ilorin at any time but at a point, Abdulsalam was the leader and he was Fulani, later Oba Moma who was Afonja, then Oba Sulayman Dan Aliyu who was Ajikobi, he was the one who placed Ilorin under British protection, the one whose father was executed by the Alaafin for treason. So in that wise, Ilorin was on their own as a renegade Yoruba Muslim state not a Fulani one. Iwo was a Yoruba Muslim state as well but they were not renegades as they did not conduct jihads.

Volksfuhrer:
You have even gone too far back in time. I'm familiar with the story of the Anglo-saxons and their eventual Norman French conquerors.

Prince Philip, Queen Elizabeth's husband, is a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. But Philip did away with this title before his marriage in 1947, perhaps to deflect off anti German sentiments immediately after World War II. In like manner, the queen herself is a member of the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, but George V understandably renamed it the House of Windsor in 1917 during World War I. So both husband and wife have German ancestry.

Everybody in Britain have German ancestry but Celtic ancestry is 70 percent of the mix. So the British are Celts speaking a Germanic language, thesame way Yorubas are Ife people speaking a Kemitic Egyptian language.

The British royals are Norman French in origin. It does not matter whether it is patrilineal or matrilineal, they are Norman French. If I were William the conqueror who was crowned English King and I had only one daughter, she would be Queen after me, will get married, may be to a Greek or Yoruba man, and when she dies, one of the children will continue the line. They will still be Norman French of Williams the conqueror.

VomeSchakleton:
So what you're saying Is you can't give me a direct answer or any substantial evidence, only theories you pulled out of God knows where. Smh

I couldnt careless about who sits on the throne of Illorin, little small fry. Traditional rulers these days are irrelevant.

They are custodians of tradition, they act as customary Judges and draw huge salaries, have police orderlies, are made Pro Chancellors and etc. They are still relevant but not as much as in the past.

Volksfuhrer:
I've been a little bewildered by your previous submissions. I just didn't get you, until now. Like the current English Royals, they are English but of Germanic descent, no?

All European royalty are related and ultimately descended from a Swedish King. The British royalty are descended from William the conqueror who was Norman French. So someone like Queen Elizabeth learnt French at home as a first language. The Norman French were Norsemen originally who conquered France, then Britain. They were Vikings. The Vikings are Northern Europe. Sweden, Denmark, Norway but they may be said to be Germanic to an extent but they are not Germans. They are distinct even physically, from Germans.

The Celtic and Germanic genetic make up of people in Britain is 70- 30 in favour of Celtic.

VomeSchakleton:
Lol! just like you said kwankwaso was hausa of yoruba descent eh? i would love an example these so called yoruba decended hausas.

There are Yoruba of Portuguese descent in Lagos and one of them was head of the Ogboni in the late 19th and early 20th century. The Soun of Ogbomosho is Bariba descent, the Oshodi, Jakande and etc are Nupe descent. There are many Ebira, Tapa and etc descent in Ijesa but I wont mention them. There are 6 or 7 Principal chiefs in Ilorin with at least 4 or 5 of Yoruba descent while the masses are Yoruba and societal organisation is Yoruba but ruled by renegade Muslims in the past who were Yorubas, the one who put Ilorin under Britain was Yoruba. To the North are Yoruba towns with Obas up to Southern Niger state. No Bariba land was under Fulani ever because they were together with Yoruba in an alliance. So stop fantasizing about a Fulani takeover of Ilorin which never happened. I hate lies. Also, No city in the whole world is purely of one descent but they still have their identities. The Kano man who wrote what I quoted stated that Kano is cosmopolitan and that the Kanawa are not discriminatory and that a former Governor was from the strangers' quarters reserved for Yoruba in Kano, yet he became the Governor. He was referring to Kwankwanso but even if not, that is not my headache, it is only natural that many Hausa are of Yoruba descent just like many Yoruba are Hausa descent, all a result of centuries of interraction.

Jobneeded12:
I am Yoruba but pls stop saying Gambari is that is the height of self deceit no Yoruba man will want to beat the title EMIR God forbid

The first Balogun Gambari in Ilorin was given that title by Yoruba people. That one was a Hausa man who became an Ilorin man. The present one is an Oyo man patrilineally descended from Hausa. Thesame can be said of the Oshodis in Lagos. They are Tapa by descent, Former Governor Jakande is Tapa by descent but they are Yoruba today. Yoruba are a mix like all groups. If you go to Nupe and Hausa land, there are people there of Yoruba descent who are now Hausa or Nupe.. So that is how it is, all Ilorin people are Yoruba. No town is 100 percent descended from thesame group. Come to Ilesa, it is thesame story but all are Ijesa.

9jacrip:
I didn't know they call their ruler that, I thought they use 'Emir'.

Apart from the appellation, the throne seems too Islamic/arabized to be regarded as an 'Oba-ship' but as you said, I hope the emboldened happens someday or at least traditional system gets aggressively promoted and placed where it should be.

Hausas till today call their Kings Sarki and Nupes call theirs Etsu. The Emir appellation is used mainly in Newspapers and by educated folks but it is Islamic all thesame. Ilorin is Islamic as well but Islam and all Abrahamic religions makes no sense and as reasonable people we must initiate the drive to return our people to how God created them to be like the Japanese, Chinese and etc.

9jacrip:
I get your drift.

I used take back in the sense of the use of 'emir' and palace structure.

In Ilorin, they call the ruler Oba, Emir is only a media title but they are Islamists and have no Egun. However they are no less fetish than Ibadan people with ebos placed here and there. If they want to be Islamic, they will be Yoruba Islamic not with a different identity but my hope is that all these barbarian Abrahamic practices characterized by an obsession to win souls should be banned in Yoruba land. They are demonic. Olodumare is enough for us.

9jacrip:
OK.

I have no interest in Ilorin but keep in mind if Nigeria were to implode today, Yoruba will take back that piece of shitty land.

Move along now, I am only reading the history of Ilorin and I thought my brother's input were very interesting and researched.

It is not a matter of taking back, From Southern Niger state in Jebba to the Atlantic is ile Kaaro Ojiire, to the West and North is our allies, the Bariba, farther West to Togi is Yoruba, Fon and Ewe, the Westernmost Yoruba city is Atakpame in Togo. All are Yoruba land being controlled by Yoruba, Bariba and Fon. The SW just happen to be the most populated.

I took a renewed interest in this Ilorin case many years ago after reading an interview by the Balogun Ajikobi of Ilorin either in Punch or Tribune after Gov Lawal promoted Magaji Aare Afonja to first class. The Balogun Ajikobi was brandishing the Protection agreement signed by his ancestors and lamenting that he the rightful Oba Ilorin as been sidelined by the powers that be. In the interview their history was related, both Shitta Bey and Ajikobi were brothers, sons of Alaafin Abiodun who escaped from Oyo ile when Muslims were attacked as a fallout of the killing of Afonja in Ilorin, Ajikobi fled to Ilorin while Shitta Bey fled to Sierra Leone from where he relocated to Lagos and became a millionaire who used his money to further the cause of Islam, The Ottomann Turks heard of him and honoured him with the Bey title. The family are still in Lagos. They are Lagosians. Ajikobi the other brother relocated to Ilorin was made Balogun and he joined the jihad to Islamise Yoruba land. He was captured by Ibadan when the Ilorin were routed in Osogbo, sent to the Alaafin and executed, the non Yorubas were released. Ilorin never was strong enough to take on Ibadan again. The Balogun Hausa of Ilorin with others later submitted under Oba Moma as their sovereign, Oba Moma was approved by the Alaafin and the Oyo princes and other Yoruba, they exchanged presents but as he warmed up to Ibadan, the Balogun Gambari, Ajikobi and others opposed him furiously and the man committed suicide in 1895, next to be crowned in 1896 was Sulayman Dan Aliyu, a member of Ajikobi, that was the one who signed the protection agreement in the custody of the present Ajikobi that he brandished in that newspaper interview but trust the Fulani supremacist, they will insist Oba Moma, Sulayman Dan Aliyu, Aminu Kano, Kwankwanso, MANDELA, Barrack Obama and even William the conqueror were all Fulbe. Despite that the Fulbe are a pitiable minority maybe not up to Ijaw if counted. That is amoral.

Again, the Emir of Ilorin named Gambari is a Yoruba man of Hausa descent as all Yoruba know. A man named Tapa is Nupe and a man named Gambari id Hausa descent and can never be Fulani but the Oba of Ilorin will revert to Afonja and Ajikobi very soon because it is their right and justice will be done.

The situation in Yoruba land late 19th century was similar to the situation in Syria today. If any more organised country should step in to administer Syria for a while, it would be very foolish for the rebels and the Assa regime not to capitulate to that country. The British did not use force, they contacted the Yoruba in the Christian missions, contacted the Alaafin, Ooni and probably the Ogboni leadership who must have given them the go ahead, they then went to the warfront to end the fighting. People were tired already of the war, I know a man in Ilesa whose father was born on that war front. So the British peace was welcomed by the Yoruba

panafrican:
Any African national language should be at least a synthesis of Niger-congo and Nilo-Saharan.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Africa

If there is a Yoruba country, I will prefer that the country joins the European Union than a Union with Kenya or Egypt which we really as Yorubas have nothing much in common with. We trade more with the EU.

There are more than 100 million people in West Africa whose first or second language is Yoruba. I used to say Africa should create a proto Bantu language thesame way the Jews created Hebrew from Phoenician but now I think otherwise, Nigeria should divide with the new nations using their mother tongues and English, then Yoruba children should be able to speak five languages at least. Many people do so in Nigeria nowadays. A Bida person might be able to speak Nupe, Yoruba, Hausa, English, Gwari making 5 and many people in the Middlebelt and Northeast. Apart from 100 million Yoruba speakers, we also have up to another 100 million who know the language to varying extents because they are Yoruba in the diaspora who are Aborishas.

So when Nigeria breaks up, we use our Yoruba along with English, let other people keep their languages as well and use it to preserve it, then use English and some other major languages as well.

Baaballiyo:
I see your pain for its hurting when part of your own was forcefully taken but please, direct your anger to the Afonjas and Ajikobis of the time gone by who were among the architects of this painful ( or may be embracing) history.

For all your rants all we want from you now is to prove that Moma is of Afonja descent by providing us with his Genealogy since we have given you our proof that he was of Alimi descent and endeavor to tell us what made the Oyo ruling class abandoned Old Oyo and build anew one further South. A saying goes thus " The present is the key to the past" The British colonialists to a very large extent maintained the status quo they met on ground when they came and they left it as it was, so leaving Ilorin at the hands of the Fulani is a clear indicator that it was a Fulani domain before the advent of the colonialist. The British would not have favoured us above you because they conquered you before they conquered us, they befriended you before they befriended us and they helped you and aided you before they helped and aided us.
And know that Islam has already penetrated the Yoruba Nation even the present Alaafin ( Oba Lamidi Adeyemi is a practicing Muslim). Just accept the reality and stop dreaming dreams.

Ask any Ilorin person and they will tell you Oba Moma is Afonja. The important thing is that he was accepted by the Yoruba and he carried himself like a Yoruba person, committing suicide when he saw that his Balogun had risen against him. He did so in a traditional Yoruba manner. Call any Ilorin perSon and ask who Oba Moma was and what is his lineage. Dont rely on websites or online stuff. I spoke with Ilorin people already. Nevertheless, the Oba of Ilorin who put Ilorin under British protection was Sulayman Dan Aliyu, an Ajikobi man whose grandfather or father was the Ajikobi that was executed by the Alaafin. that was the person who signed Ilorin under Britain not any Fulani. That is what you should always keep in mind. Do not forget that.

Then the last people to come under British protection were the Egba and they succumbed because all their neighbours had succumbed. Their coming under British protection came after the Amalgamation of the Northern and Southern Protectorates of Nigeria. So get your history right. Dont come here to spew ignorance. the British did not engage the Yoruba in any war, they came to settle fight and they were hailed at the warfront in Igbajo by the combatants. It was the Sokoto caliphate that was brutally conquered by the British, not any Yoruba state. Among the Yoruba, only Ilorin, Lagos and Ijebu engaged the British, the others never did, obviously because they were been led by God through Ifa and because the British came to end a pointless 16 year long war that everyone was tired of already.


It would be wrong to call the Alaafin a true Muslim. The Alaafin is an Aborisha. He is an olorisha. Aborisha do not see anything wrong in practicing any spirituality or religion and I see that as a problem because someone saying you are an infidel, unbeliever, Kaffir and etc is not your friend and you should not worship with such a person. Worship with Hindus, Buddhists and etc instead who respect you. That is the point I have been trying to drive home. All Yoruba Obas or at least the majority are Aborisha.

VomeSchakleton:
It seems this lawani fellow has gone ape shiit crazy. You need help.

I am sick of the foolishness that NIGERIA is and I want the country to disintegrate into well alligned and manageable units. So how is that crazy? If you are a Hausa Fulani man, rally your people together, call for the dissolution of the country so that you can build a Hausa Fulani nation as did your ancestors. Why are you against that?

I also dont like people misrepresenting history saying Ilorin was conquered by Fulani when no such thing happened. New Oyo towns have not yet been conquered by any group ever Ibadan, Ilorin and etc because they were recently inaugurated. I dont like when history is deliberately misrepresented. How can a Fulani man say they would have been ruling Yorubas if not for the British? That is very rude for a Fulani to say. I hope you understand.

Oba Moma was approved by the Alaafin, Ibadan and even Britain, then the Balogun Gambari accepted him as his sovereign. Ask any Ilorin person what lineage Oba Moma was and they will say Afonja. That the Alaafin and Oyo princes sent presents is instructive. Then when he wanted to ally properly with Britain and Ibadan was when he fell out with his Baloguns and ended up committing suicide. I am still researching though, then Suleiman Dan Aliyu became Oba Ilorin in 1896, Ilorin capitulated to the Royal Niger company in 1897. He signed the protection agreement. Suleiman Dan Aliyu ostensibly is the Ajikobi descendant who signed the protection agreement with the British. The founder of the Ilorin Ajikobi family was executed by the Alaafin in 1837 for being a traitor to Oyo. So they are not on good terms with the Alaafin despite being Oyo princes. They have the residual right to be Alaafin. However, they have come into their own as have done the Afonja family. Even the Ibadan now claim parity with the Alaafin and the Olubadan has said that the chairmanship of the Oyo state traditional council must be rotated. So everybody have come to their own and the Alaafin is not fighting anybody again. Both the Afonjas and the Ajikobis have realised the folly of detaching from their kith and kin. They will be restored and the Olu of Ilorin title will be rotated between them while the real power will lie with the 6 or 7 principal Ilorin chiefs. Ajikobi, Afonja, Gambari, Fulani, Alanamu and Baba Isale. Since the city was brought into Nigeria by a Yoruba signature, it must retain its Yoruba identity like Ibadan and etc at all cost.

The original Ajikobi who was Alaafin Abiodun's son died in 1837, his successors were the Balogun Ajikobis of Ilorin till today. It was one of them that signed the protection agreement with the British in 1897 not the first one who died in 1837 50 years before. That is it, the Ajikobi signed the British protection agreement and not a Fulani man. The Ajikobis were also renegade Muslims I am afraid. His brother who settled in Lagos was honoured with the highest honour of the Ottoman empire, the Bey title. He was Shitta Bey of Lagos. So they were renegade Muslims as well but hopefully all that rubbish will come to an end and they will revert to the true God who supports idolatory and deification of every thing, the Gentleman God.

All Ilorin indigenes know Oba Moma as an Afonja descendant but the Afonja family were ostracised by the other Yoruba, infact all Ilorin people were ostracised by the rest of the Oyo of which Rev Johnson was a member. The Ilorin allied at a time with non Oyos like Ijesa. So that was what Rev Johnson meant by saying Moma's mother was from Iseyin.


However, the advise remains 'focus on the places where the Fulani signed their protection agreements with the British because when Nigeria breaks no part not signed into Nigeria by Fulanis will be part of a Fulani controlled country'. I believe you are not a kid and should know that. Jebba in Niger state which is Yoruba land with Oba will not go to a Fulani controlled country, nor New Bussa or any Bariba land. How much more Ilorin? This should be easy for you to grasp.

How can you open your mouth and say Afonja converted to Islam? What a pity!

Afonja never converted to Islam. He was an original human being. Only brainwashed people convert to Abrahamic religions not normal people. All those barbaric practices will be banned in Yoruba land.

You are all merely flagellating. Nothing you submitted show that Ilorin ever fell to a non Yoruba majority army at any time since its foundation. Ilorin never at anytime was under the Sokoto caliphate. That is the point. No non Yoruba army ever occupied Ilorin at any time. No Fulani led army seized Ilorin at any time. In the 1870s Ilorin was allied with Ijesa against Ibadan. They were led by Ajiun but were defeated and their army perished in the Otin river when Offa allied with Ibadan cut the bridge behind them. So Ilorin was deeply involved in the Yoruba civil war. If not that Ibadan's hands were full, they would have occupied Ilorin properly. North of Ilorin, Jebba has an Oba, so for you to know that no Yoruba land was inside Sokoto empire at any time. The Ilorin jihad was by Yoruba Muslims and they were briefly led by Abdulsalam, Alimi's son.


Oba Moma was Afonja and Ajikobi another Oyo prince signed Ilorin under British protection. So all your stories are tales by the moonlight. The Emir of Ilorin title was made possible by the Northern region government. It was not something earned by Fulanis. Keep that in mind because the Ajikobi still have the protection agreement with the British. Stop fooling around. No part of Bariba or Yoruba lands in Kwara, Niger and Kogi was ever in the Sokoto caliphate at any time.

If they were, Fulanis would have been the ones to sign the protection agreements with the British but such happened only and solely in Hausa and Nupe lands. It did not happen anywhere in Bariba or Yoruba lands. So thank God for what you have and manage it well. Yoruba and Bariba lands, South and North of the Niger and Nupe south of the Niger are not parts of the sokoto caliphate, Know the boundaries of the Sokoto caliphate and the lands the Fulani signed under British protection and into Nigeria. NO YORUBA OR BARIBA LAND IS THERE!


Please wake up from your slumber.

What year did the Fulani take Ilorin? In which battle? Who led them? When did Afonja go into alliance with any Fulani? A mere Islamic cleric cum Onion seller is what you call a power broker that a whole Aare ona Kakanfo will go into an alliance with? Alimi was serving Afonja, he was not in alliance with him. He was his servant and Alimi never was Oba or Emir in Ilorin, Afonja descendants say he died before Afonja. It was his son that led Ilorin jihadists for some years, his son Abdulsalam but he was a mere Balogun, I believe not an Oba. Read your history very well. No Fulani, Hausa or Nupe army ever occupied Ilorin at any point in the history of Ilorin. Afonja was killed by renegade Yoruba Muslims. Dont come here to be spreading false tales.

[quote author=Baaballiyo post=45162133][/quote]That is an insult to the Yoruba. The Fulani are minions to the Yoruba and if not for the Kiriji war, Hausa land would have been liberated by the Yoruba, the Ibadan for instance were adopting everybody, every human being, while Ibadan and Ijebu were bitter rivals, an Ijebu man became the Olubadan, the Soun of Ogbomosho is patrilineally of Bariba descent and etc. The Yoruba style is different and if not for lack of unity back then, we would have liberated the Hausas. We had a better fighting force and connections with Europeans, it would have been a walkover. The Fulani are nowhere to be found in comparison to the Yoruba. I am shocked that you are making the comparison. Total Fulani in Nigeria can not be more than 5 to 10 million. Very sad that you will compare them to Yoruba. Really sad.

Let me tell you again, so that you will remember, the last real King of Ilorin was Oba Moma who died in 1895 an Afonja descendant. The person who put Ilorin under Britain was Balogun Ajikobi a son of Alaafin Abiodun. No Bariba land was under Fulani in Niger and Kwara. Not all Nupe fell under the Fulani. Only some North of the River Niger. So you can not even conquer the Bariba in Niger state and you are saying the Alaafin farther South would have been Fulani? When even Ilorin was not under Fulani nor Jebba in Niger state?



You are living in la la land my brother. Anybody claiming Fulani supremacy will not amount to anything in Bariba, Yoruba and etc. We have no Fulani in Ilorin. Not one single family but there are some families with some patrilineal Fulani ancestry but they are now Oyos.


So be clear, Jebba in Kwara and Niger have Obas full fledged Obas and the Jebba in Kwara is 100 km North of Ilorin. Then Sulu Gambari is patrilineally of Hausa descent. Not Fulani. Gambari in Yoruba means Hausa, not Fulani but the Olu of Ilorin title will be shifted to the Ajikobi and Afonja families soon because that is the fair thing to do.

GorkoSusaay:
Let me repeat it:
GYANAWA IS NOT A SETTLEMENT. IT IS NOT THE NAME OF A WARD, OR A TOWN. GYANAWA DENOTES DESCENT FROM MUHAMMAD GYANO, WHO HIMSELF WAS A FULANI MAN OF THE JALLUBAWA CLAN.

Aminu Kano was a Fulani but that has never mattered for him. He did not fight for the Fulani, or for another specific ethnicity. He fought for justice, equity and freedom. He was a known bridge-builder through his alliances with Awolowo and Zikists.
Had he wanted a comfy life, as the son of one of the leading patrician families of Kano, he would have had it. But he never wanted it.

There is a Gyanawa book written by a Fula tracing the descent back to the 17th century, a full 200 years before the Fulani jihad but that is a Fulani narrative. You said the Gyanawa fought alongside the reformers and etc and among he Gyanawa would be slaves or commoners who identify as Gyanawa, so it may just mean follower and not descended from. Then there are people who claim to be Fulani but are not, also some who are not but Fulanis are trying to claim them because of their success.

Aminu Kano fought against the Fulani establishment throughout, he might be Fulani but the only way I can accept he is Fulani is if his living relatives say he is one. I wont accept it from a book written by a Fulani.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/history-and-geneology-sic-of-the-gyanawa-1000-ah-to-date/oclc/28242831/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true



Then I urge you to support the installation of an Oba in Ilorin since it was a Yoruba man who put the city under British protection in person of Balogun Ajikobi descendant of Alaafin Abiodun, after the death by suicide of Oba Moma because his Baloguns frustrated his move to ally with Ibadan and Britain, something they later did. Oba Moma was of Afonja family. Afonja was also from Oyo royal family. I urge you to support them to recover their status since the Emir of Ilorin is not even a Fulani man. Emir Sulu Gambari is a Yoruba of Hausa descent. So the Fulani should support the Yoruba in Ilorin to produce a real Oba with crown and not a turban. Any help they want to render to Hausas should not be via Ilorin. There are many other ways Fulanis can help Hausas. i believe you will be in full support of the restoration of the Afonja and Ajikobi to be rotating the Olu of Ilorin title between them and god will reward you.

GorkoSusaay:
I have told you that Gyanawa denotes descent from a common ancestor. All the Gyanawa descend from Muhammad Gyano [i.e. Gyanawa= sons of Gyano] who was himself a Jallubawa, the eldest of the four initial Fulani clans. You cannot be more Fulani than that.

Now, I'm tired arguing with you. Stop mentioning me please.
Believe what you will. Aminu Kano is Hausa, Murtala Mohamed is from Auchi and whatever.
Fare you well Lawani and Long live the Emir of Ilorin.

A town founded before Islam became popular can not be descended from a Muhammad Gyano. I now can see that you do not really know what you are saying or are you saying the name was changed?

GorkoSusaay:
That is not the answer to my question. Stop making things up. Gyanawa is a clan affiliation, not a demonym (Kanawa, Kebbawa...etc).
The Gyanawa fought on the side of the reformers in Eastern Kano under Mallam Bakatsine. They never identified as Hausa, or anything else. They are Gyanawa, because they are Jallubawa which is the eldest Fulani clan.

The jihad was successful because the Hausawa followed the Fulani Gida enmasse. If not, it would not have been successful. So that a clan fought alongside the reformers enmasse does not make them Fulani except that is the new definition of Fulani. The Gyanawa has been there when there were no Fulani Gida, thousands of years before the Fulani Gida emerged. Hausas and the Kanuri have been literate in Arabic for centuries. There have had Arabic scholars equivalents of Professors for centuries before the Fulani Gida emerged. So that the jihad was led by the Fulani Gida with the support of the nomads and the Hausa masses does not make the Gyanawa a Fulani people. the town has history going back to over one thousand years

And why would you suggest a Yoruba person is angry with or jealous of Fulani? if Hausas are not angry with Fulani, how can a Yoruba person? The Fulani are beneath the Yoruba in everything you want to mention, they have a lot of catching up to do. There are thousands of Fulani beggars in Yoruba land while poverty rate is high in Fulani controlled territory. The Yoruba are better off by a very wide margin, so it would be wrong to say a Yoruba is bitter against Fulanis who are beneath them in everything you want to highlight but I dont know what you meant by your statement. can you expantiate?

GorkoSusaay:
It is so obvious that you have no idea of what you are talking about. Quite sad to see people clutching to their passions, inner selves, when all evidence point to the other way. I, myself, would be called Gyanawa/Jallubawa if I was from Kano. Gyanawa/Jallubawa are the eldest of the Fulani clans.

You dont need to be going round in circles. Since the Fulani jihad succeeded after breaking out in 1804, there will be Gyanawa who would identify as Fula while the majority would identify as Hausa, in the past, all identified as Hausa. So you can not say a man is Fulani just because he is a Gyanawa. that is the answer to your question.

GorkoSusaay:
I knew it would be lost on you. I give up now.
So Emir Sanusi is not Fulani, because he is Sullubawa
Sultan Saad Abubakar is not Fulani, because he is Toronkawa.
Alaafin of Oyo is not Yoruba, he is an Oyo man lol

Better give up because you have no point.