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This is yet to be put in the constitution and it therefore holds no water in reality as Atiku almost won the last election despite that Buhari just finished

Who should have nuclear weapons?

Certainly nuclear weapons are good. They serve a purpose, because they somehow guarantee world peace as people only start wars that they stand a fair chance of winning.

If no nuclear weapons at all and if not that there are several countries in possession of ICBMs as pioneered by the old USSR, I believe the third world war would have found a reason to break out.

We however have enough nuclear powers as it is now and they have balanced themselves out. Everybody ought to agree that nuclear proliferation should be curbed.

The biggest challenge on Earth today is not economic ideology but religious fundamentalism. Nobody in their right minds want religionists to have access to nuclear weapons.

The Torah talks about killing whole peoples for not being Jews. Not convert them or enslave them but eliminate them outrightly because they are not Jews. The Quran says to try to convert them and if they refuse, ask them to pay the jizyah and kill them if they don't. Both are holy books with believers and adherents. The Christians are also there. I don't support any of these people being in possession of nuclear weapons but you can't disarm those who already have them.

One thing is however certain and it is that we have already more than enough nukes on Earth and our industry should now be focused on things that will benefit the majority. As it is now, you can have nukes and still be a poor backward country if you don't tend to your economy.

Once the problem in Iran is sorted out then there should be a blanket ban on the production of more nukes anywhere on Earth and the enforcement of the ban should be financed by UN member nations.

Deadlytruth:
Thanks. This is why I keep saying that Ironsi remains the worst thing to ever happen to Nigeria. The failure of Nigeria rests on him. Here was a man who had a very rare opportunity to write his name in gold in the history of Nigeria at a very critical moment in the life of the young nation but his greed and quest for illegal power took the better part of him and he failed his generation as well as future generations. Some of his appologists say he took over power illegally and tampered with a sovereign people's constitution because he wanted to unify Nigeria whereas the most basic ingredient needed to calm frayed nerves and genuinely unify the country was to simply court-martial and kill the January 15 coupists and then give power back to the parliament, and that would have been all. But rather than take these very simple steps he started gyrating all over the country in the name of visiting traditional rulers and preaching peace as if the political crisis rocking the country had anything to do with disagreement among traditional rulers. Honestly Ironsi was a dumb and unintelligent army GOC.

Power should not even have ended up with him for him to be trying the coupists. It should have been the Democratic government trying the coupists. The fact he became head of state just proves he was a coup plotter himself

HenryStarlife:
I think you forget to address the elephant in the room.
Fun fact. The elephant has a suicide Kill switch that can end the world. Not very fun innit.

You mean Netanyahu? I doubt he will do anything further after the tests since war is not a sport.

gidgiddy:
Were the civil service of any of the Regions sent out of Nigeria? They were still in their respective Regions under Ironsi doing their job. The point you guys failed to grasp is that Ironsi did not change the revenue sharing formula agreed at independence. Every Region still got the bulk of what they generated, and remitted the percentage agreed to federal government, as it was before Ironsi. So the civil service being unified or not had no bearing

Go and Google Gowons decree 15 and learn how Gowon removed resource control and changed the revenue sharing formula so that the Federal Government would control everything

All these debates are not necessary. People didn't want their states' or regions' civil service to be controlled by non indigenes. Then if you come in by coup you can be kicked out by a coup. Ironsi also did not help himself by leaving someone like Awo in prison who was being begged by Balewa to accept to join the government and be released. Ironsi just left him in prison like that. A whole heavyweight like Awo

Ways to stop the US/Israel versus Iran war

A good way to stop the current confrontation between the combination of Israel and USA and Iran is for the UNSC to act together and Iran will be obliged to obey them anything they ask as they will be asking on behalf of the rest of the world

Another way to end the needless killings is for Iran to rush forward, build nukes and conduct a nuclear test for all to see since they already have enough fissile material.

After the tests by Iran, there will be no further need for the confrontation to continue and there will be peace. The bombing and killings are to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons and once it is clear to all that they already have it and that they can destroy any country within a certain radius, then the violence will halt.

Deadlytruth:
In a democracy the only correct way to remove those perceived to be causing problems is for the self assumed messiah to resign from either the public or civil service, contest for office with convincing campaign of how he can correct the systemic flaws, and then on getting to office actually correct those flaws through constitutionally stipulated methods. Anything short of that snacks of ulterior motive. At the point of being decorated as the Supreme Military Commander of the Nigerian military, Ironsi solemnly swore to uphold and defend the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria at all times and under all circumstances. Did the constitution he swore to defend make provision for military take over of power from civilians? A big NO.
What was legally needful of Ironsi at that critical point in time was to save democracy which the January Coupists had already attempted to assail and destroy. Hence Ironsi was only supposed to court-martial the coupists, and get them face firing squad, then swear in Alhaji Dipcharima whom the parliament threw up as replacement for the slain Tafawa Balewa, replace the slain premiers with their deputies and returned to the barracks honorably as a career military man. If Ironsi had taken this other route of honour and immediate restoration of democracy, do you in all honesty think that the counter coup would have ever happened talkless of the Northern pogroms and the resultant avoidable civil war which took millions of innocent lives? We should be able to look at the larger pictures of every issue we debate rather than justify missteps of those saddled with positions of high responsibilities.

Ironsi seizing power when there were still elected people in the parliament was in itself a coup. No other definition for what he did as there was still the parliament which he disbanded. Nzeogwu and co started the coup but it was concluded by Ironsi. There was no other way to answer him except via another coup and since the second coup didn't succeed in the East then the civil war was inevitable

helinues:
They are still relating with their town and villages outside Abeokuta town . Infact, I can say almost every Abeokuta indigenes have villages. One way or the other.

But the relationship with Oyo people, No.

Ekiti people, their royal kings, if you talk anything about Olubadan or Alaafin, they always talk down on them. Misuse of power

Ok. The stunted nationalism of different Yoruba states was just short sightedness because what did Ibadan do wrong for wanting to unite the Yoruba? What misuse of power? They left all the traditional structures intact and never removed them anywhere and only posted ajeles for the purpose of tax collection and cooperation. I understand however that they were used to their sovereignty being Ijesa myself.

Projection of revenue should be based on population but it is not easy to estimate the population of Zamfara because the NIN figure is inchoate as the number of male registration is double the female according to AI and it is supposed to be around 1:1 ordinarily. It might be a mistake though.
If Zamfara is five million people then nothing less than ten billion naira on average per day is spent there or thereabouts. They just need a framework to capture a good percentage of it as government revenue

helinues:
Like I said, those 5 kingdoms including the Egbas are warriors. The people they met there might have been minorities who fled early. When they see them coming, probably they thought they are about to be attacked hence hiding under the rock.

The town existed in small communities before the arrivals of those 5 kingdoms.

I actually like the relationship between all of them whether in culture, language, food, politics or whatever, you can't really separate egba and Owu or Gbagura

Yes I agree people existed there before the refugees came because the dialect is quite removed from Oyo but the Egba in the main say they are from Oyo. The Owu there are from Owu and etc

helinues:
You see Abeokuta in general, there are 5 kingdoms with 5 kings ruling over their territory.

Alake
Osile
Okeona
Gbagura
Olowu

They are warriors that settled in Abeokuta town as they fled because of war. No superiority amongst them.

They have their roots in some outskirts of Abeokuta, some parts of Old Oyo.

The people living in the town before the arrival of those 5 kingdoms , Abeokuta wasn't known or on record. The story before is not available per say. I haven't seen any

Probably those 5 kingdoms came after the 1914, don't know much about that regarding date

Even with the proximity of Ogun and Oyo, they hardly shared same ideology regarding politics and religion because of those wars. The Oyo empire took advantage of so many small communities with unnecessary wars

Egba was a province of Oyo. It would be a mixture of Oyo and the aborigines of the land. Egba became independent around the same time Dahomey and Ilorin became independent. They then had to be protecting their territory by themselves which is mainly from Dahomey and probably Ibadan. They formed a well organized republic and later went into an alliance with Britain in 1893 for trade and cooperation. They had confrontations with Britain after which their friendship treaty was converted into a protection treaty in 1914 and they started paying tax to Britain

helinues:
Your last paragraph, where did you get that from?

Egba was not a British protectorate until September 1914.

They were not among those fighting at Igbajo

https://guardian.ng/opinion/egba-as-nigerias-premier-nation/

galantjoe:
Can you give historical account of how Egba was last people that were colonalised and joined Nigeria protectorate

Am a historian I wish to know

The Egba remained independent with their own civil service and police until the amalgamation of Nigeria after which they joined Nigeria. They joined because they can't be the only Yoruba state without British protection. They joined in 1914.

That is millions of dollars reduced from the GDP because if the people were alive they would produce and consume

gidgiddy:
1967- Four Regions

2026 - Thirty six States

How will you explain what happened to the young ones?

People are still clamouring for more states. I want our Ijesa state. It was an independent state for various spells of time before colonisation. People want the independence they had before colonisation and there is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong if a state of twenty million is existing side by side one with just 200k people. There is no way Nigeria would not have been divided into states because the owners of the lands want it like that.

Egba was the last to join Nigeria in 1914 but now they don't even have a state.

Love800:
Wow.

Great.

But you should also note dat even if cost of living is high in countries with high wages, they monitor their inflation(cost of goods) to tally with their citizens income, so atleast you spend and see value, unlike nigeria, even if nigeria becomes a high income country, it will still remain the same with high inflation.

Yes because inflation is source of income for all governments. If a government is not collecting enough taxes ie the tax to GDP ratio is very low then they will print money to spend and this is inflation. High income countries are better run because they have a high tax to GDP ratio generally and the government therefore have enough money to spend to make things better for all.

However any money you invest is out of reach of inflation and therefore the main people who suffer inflation in Nigeria are fixed income earners. When there is inflation, your investment will go up in value.

In my opinion, Nigerians have advantage in owning their own homes while people in high income countries can own nice cars, flashy things and be able to afford expensive holidays.

If Nigeria gets it's acts together and substantially increase its tax to GDP ratio to have money to solve it's problems like mass education, healthcare, infrastructure and etc then it will have a huge advantage. Nigerians still won't be able to afford expensive things and expensive holidays etc but investors will troop in.

The best bet however is for high income countries to force down their cost of living for there to be evenness.

Love800:
What are you trying to say pls?
I don't fully understand.

The reason why every Tom, Dick and Harry want to go to certain countries is because the minimum wage is high but the reality is that minimum wage earners don't have it easy in any country and countries with ultra high minimum wage also have ultra high living expenses. The high minimum wage is the attraction or ad.
In reality, every country has expatriates or immigrant workers but the heavy traffic is to countries with high minimum wage.
In conclusion, employers only pay according to the cost of living in each country. Employers are not there to save anybody. If cost of living rises in Nigeria to be at par with the UK then the wages will respond in the same way and the minimum wages will be similar even without regulations but a high cost of living is a disadvantage in any country.
If you are a barber, trucker, plumber, teacher and etc in any country, what you will achieve in life will not be much more than own your own home, train your children and etc and you will do it with whatever is the per Capita GDP of your country.

Wotowotoman:
Ogbeni, you just like to argue Wetin you no sabi. This one think say e easy to get work permit for North America and Europe as an immigrant? Guys never tell you wetin dem dey do to get pali before they can work? And you think those people wey dey work for Ghana simply japa go Ghana and applied for work permit and got just like that without them coming in as expat hires?

Oya, carry your load go Abidjan and go see whether hunger no go waya ya bald head

You appear drunk. You are typing incoherently. Go and read my comments from the beginning

Wotowotoman:
Which qualifications? You think you don’t need work permit to work in those countries? And you think they give work permit to you to come and take jobs from nationals of their country? Why am I even wasting my time responding to you? You go just open mouth waaa dey mislead people. You wey never see international airport before. Hiss

You are a clown else how would you say someone you never met has no intl passport? I tried to insult you but was restrained by the bot. I can see that having an international passport and travelling out of the country are among your greatest achievements, isn't it?

Nigerian professionals work in North America and Europe. They also work in Ghana especially. That they require work permits don't negate this fact. Many times employers are desperate to employ and the pay is better than the pay in Nigeria. I doubt you have any other achievements outside travelling abroad. Do you?

Wotowotoman:
Nigerians working in the civil service of Ghana and Côte d’Ivoire? As japa hustlers or senior advisers that are well paid? I doubt that you have ever visited Côte d’Ivoire with this okpata wey you dey yearn.

Ogbeni, I repeat. If you are a poor man in Naija looking for where to japa to hustle to earn a living, avoid Côte d’Ivoire if you no wan suffer for this world. I don talk my own.

You are just talking rubbish because in any country you work according to your qualifications.

Wotowotoman:
Indians and Lebanese come to Nigeria to start businesses or to work in businesses owned by Indians and Lebanese or Nigerian businesses that need their expertise. And they are paid very well with expatriate perks. How many Indians and Lebanese have you seen on the road begging? These people don’t come to Naija as poor immigrants looking to work illegally to earn a living to survive.

If you don’t have a proper expatriate job or legit business, I can assure you that you are going to suffer in Abidjan. Guaranteed suffering. Ivorian people never see job finish and you think say you can go there and do what? Na ment?

Yes definitely but if you want to join your family member who is in business abroad whether as a Nigerian or as a Lebanese and etc, you will still need to be granted visa. It is not much different. Non Nigerians working in Nigerian civil service is extremely rare presently but there is a growing number of Nigerians working in the civil service of countries like Ghana and CotedIvoire not to talk of their private sector

AlphaTaikun:
@ lawani

Greetings to you.

The beauty of this major joint military operation on Iran is that the Iranian folks in the Diaspora and at home are tired of the Shiite Mullahs and this is why we even saw videos of defiant Iranian women removing and burning their hijabs. There will definitely be less resistance but we expect American boots on Iranian soil.


Indeed, you have a point and that's why I stated that mop up operations will have to continue against any resistance from some die-hards and block heads. The removal of the BIG Kahunas among the Iranian Shiite Mullahs like Ali Khamenei is the FIRST step! Since the so-called 1979 Shiite revolution, I have lived for those number of years out of my life with the insidious presence of these Iranian mullahs who have sponsored Shiite groups and affiliates even in Nigeria from the early 1980s when Northern Nigeria Federal Universities were hotbeds of Shiite radicalism. Before we knew about Al-Qaeda, it was the Shiite terror sponsors the whole world knew from the early 1980s.

This "Operation Epic Fury" is by far the BIGGEST gift for the peace of mankind in years because of the Iranian mullahs had finally achieved their objectives of creating their own nukes, the would have used it on Israel and the nearby Sunni Muslim Arab countries because the Shiites and Sunnis have divergence in doctrines and you see them blowing their rival Islamic groups up inside mosques in Iraq for instance. NO sanity for life at all.

It is high time the management of global security stop being a US only affair. It is after all a thankless job. Let the whole UN or at least the UNSC take up Iran and any invasion should be sponsored by them and not by the US taxpayer. The US can't even afford an invasion presently. The problem of the proliferation of nukes needs to be tackled once and for all because we are all at risk

gidgiddy:
And yet when Gowon came in after Ironsi, abolished the 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states, and abolished resource control, nobody saw it as an overeach because he was a Northerner

It was the central control of the state or regional civil service that people were against. People did not want their states, regions or whatever to be controlled by non indigenes.

addictiv:
You don't know what it means to leave food in your fridge /freezer and travel for months and return to see your food still preserved. Light no off for 1 day and while away you didn't think/worry about what you left at home. Until Nigeria reaches this point for the average man the country remains a joke.

That is a huge bill in electricity. In Nigeria many don't need to put anything in the fridge. I even disconnected my fridge.

Can democracy ensure they will stop the nuclear program? No. Only force or understanding can make them stop the nuclear program.

Wotowotoman:
Japa from Naija to go Ivory Coast? To do what there? To go work as laborer for cocoa farm? Abi to go do 419? 🤔

The same way Indians, Lebanese etc follow each other to Nigeria, Nigerians also follow each other to Abidjan and CotedIvoire in general. I believe there are over one million Nigerians there. Abidjan might be the most modern city in west Africa

Nefort:
I don't believe Yorubas are cowards or any stereotypes, but using one man as an example to prove why Yorubas are not cowards is not logical.

So what examples exist to justify the rhetoric that Yoruba are cowards since one example is not enough to say the Yoruba shouldn't be stereotyped as cowards?. I can list numerous examples of brave acts by Yoruba people in ancient and modern history. To people like you not fighting when you have no weapons is cowardice.

loveth360:
Okay no problem he was killed by northern soldiers for obstructing the coup,he did not give his life like the lies always propagate by Yorubas.


Remember I only confronted you because you claimed he gave his life for Igbo man.

If your father died trying to stop someone from molesting you, what will you call that? People who die in war for your nation did what?

Love800:
Wow.

Okay.

I will still do more research about this Ethiopia. It seems to be the only place in the whole africa for me now.

I honestly appreciate.

People only seek greener pastures in high income countries. The traffic is to places with high minimum wage which does not mean there are no opportunities in other places. Ethiopia will have thousands of expatriates who work there and are able to save

gidgiddy:
The question is simple. If Ironsi abolished the 4 Regions Nigeria had, what Regions were Katsina, Fajuyi, Ejoor and Ojukwu governing the day Ironsi died?

Ironsi was killed alongside the Military Governor of the Western Region, Fajuyi. How was Fajuyi still Military Governor of the Western Region if Ironsi had already abolished the Regions?

Every military government is a unitary government and as an extra, decree 34 unified the civil service. The unification of the civil service was what the majority of onlookers saw as an overreach

loveth360:
The fact is Fajuyi was killed by northern soldiers.


He didn't die for any Igbo man.


You guys should stop that lie,if he was killed for obstructing the coup,that doesn't make it he asked Northern soldiers to kill him for Igbo man

If the coup was not planned to take place in his headquarters at Ibadan, he will probably still be alive today as an old man. He would have lived to train his children. He was killed because he obstructed the counter coupists. They had no other reason to kill him. He did not kill any of them and he didn't participate in any coup and there are people who actually participated in the coup that lived to an old age. If such people had been western region governor they would have stood a chance of being killed like Fajuyi because naturally they will not agree to handover their guest and boss to the mutineers

I guess if you were the governor, you would have immediately cooperated and handed over your boss and guest