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loveth360:
A simple question for you.

If he was not one of the targets of northern soldiers,why was he killed when they could have just killed their target and left, did Fajuyi confront them on gun battle and was killed,why northern soldiers Killed him when the could have gone with only ironsi?

The lies that he asked Northern soldiers to kill him doesn't make sense, and is already stale.


Even Fajuyi sons can't prove the lies you people have been propagating for years.

I don't understand your argument. Would Fajuyi be the first person to be killed in a coup who was not a target? Wives of politicians and wives of military officers have been killed in coups for obstructing the mutineers but it is only Ironsi an officer that was armed that is a surprise to you?

MaxInDHouse:
Let's see which makes sense between your beliefs and mine.

You agree that there are spirits that are MANAGING or CONTROLLING humans the difference here is God's word says they are evil spirits but you says they are your higher self.
So why is it that these so called "higher selves" failed to help their subjects live or cohabit peacefully without having to raise weapons against one another?
Revelation 6:3-4
Do you think your higher self just love to see you kill or get killed by others?🙂


This is what Jesus God's only begotten Son said on the topic:

"You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." John 8:44

Do you still think there is no evil spirit behind all these killings around the world?🙂

All evil are initiated and perpetrated by people on incarnation but those people have spirits. Their spirits however are not evil spirits. Your spirit will go an extra mile to help you even when you are doing evil. This does not mean that your spirit is evil. If you however do evil repeatedly for a number of times, your spirit will be knocked out of existence. Here on Earth, we can hide things from ourselves but in heaven it is not possible and because of this evil isn't possible in heaven

QuinQQ:
This is called strawman fallacy. See the definition below. Where did I ever say spirits don't exist??

It is simple logic. If you believe spirits exist and are intelligent beings then you will believe they can help you

AguluLiar:
You and your blothers can continue to deceive yourselves.

Ironsi abolished the regional system of government.

What he did was unify the civil service as against the policy of North for Northerners introduced by Ahmadu Bello. He even planned on sending non native military administrators to the regions as was later done by other military governments that came later

QuinQQ:
We have gone beyond belief at this point. You can believe anything you wish. We are talking of what has been shown to work from experience.

If you have a training in the spirit sector say as a Babalawo or a Buddhist monk, you will not be saying spirits don't exist. Enlightenment is not free and the enlightened don't doubt the existence of spirits

QuinQQ:
I clearly said Jesus is part of the God head. Humans die or become ineffective in this realm.
Hence Muslims don't worship Muhammad but they worship Allah.
Once gain, I don't know any first world country where lots of people worship ancestors. Secondly, all ancestor-worshipping societies were conquered and colonized

Every normal human being believe spirits exist even if only in paradise which is why you believe Jesus is God or that you are going to heaven. Muslims also believe Mohammed's spirit is in Aljanna. All human cultures believe their ancestors are in heaven. All human cultures without exception. They also believe in reincarnation. People worship ancestors all over the world. You are now saying not many of them?

happney65:
Nobody will call anybody betrayal or anything. The coup was a coup lead by soldiers. It has nothing to do with where the coup was to take place.

The coup plotters saw an opportunity and they took it. They might have even killed Ironsi in the North or Lagos or anywhere. I'm sure they didnt choose Ibadan because of what you are saying because it is all conjectures

I have actually read a book whose author I can't remember now where at the planning stage, the Northerners said the head of state must not be killed in the North but in Ibadan. They chose Ibadan deliberately because Ironsi's office was not in Ibadan.
They saw an opportunity and they took it or they waited for him to have an engagement in Ibadan?

MaxInDHouse:
There are those claiming deities and forcing themselves on humans due to the rebellion in Eden.
God told the first human couple not to think of setting standards among themselves but to rely solely on God's standard adding that if they do He will remove the power that sustains them to keep on living and they will die! Genesis 2:17
They disobeyed anyway and from that time till today humans were exposed to attack from rebellious angels and their agents among us.
That is why there are those claiming Gods both in heaven and on earth! 1Corinthans 8:5
But the one and only true God declared that He will see to it that all those claiming deities will die whether they are humans or spirits! Psalms 82:6

Your own spirit for instance can not be forcing itself on you. It is your higher self. It is your manager. If it is young, it will have a primary protector and etc. There are no evil spirits as you think but there are up to sixty billion spirits in total. No need for evil spirits and there are no evil spirits

shortgun:
You are confusing yourself by raising completely different issues and trying to merge them just to score cheap points.

First, during an active war, every breakaway state in history has issued its own currency as a measure of sovereignty. It didn’t start with Biafra......Biafra was blockaded and cut off from Nigeria’s financial system, it could not operate using federal currency. So issuing the Biafran pound was a wartime necessity. Economic activities had to continue.

Second, the matter of post-war currency was not handled by Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu or by Biafra. After the war ended, the £20 policy was introduced by the federal government under Yakubu Gowon. It was a flat £20 compensation for all Easterners, regardless of how much money anyone had in the bank. That was how they stole all the money belonging to Eastern people in banks across Nigeria. If you truly care about how Igbos and other tribes in the Eastern Region lost their money then hold the government responsible and leave Ojukwu alone. If your grievance is about non-refund or unfair compensation direct it to the Nigerian state that designed and implemented that wicked, oppressive financial policy to impoverish Easterners.

Third, Ojukwu did not take anyone’s money because the money belonging to Easterners was stored in Nigerian banks and later stolen by the government. Most people who fled government sanctioned massacres across Nigeria returned home empty-handed. Those who tried to return with any money were looted on their way back. So where exactly did they get the money you claim Ojukwu collected from them?

Taking anybody's balance in the bank can not make them poor. If they take your balance in the bank today, will you become a poor man as a result? Awolowo went overboard trying to be nice to Igbos and all he got was more attacks from them. There was no need to give any money to anybody after the war as he did not collect money from anybody. If Igbo account holders were not given any money at all, they would have counted their losses and moved on but because they were given money, they turned it into an opportunity to be abusing Awo. If you think twenty pounds was small money in 1970, find out how much they were selling a brand new car in 1970 and get back to me.

loveth360:
Fajuyi didn't laid down his life,he was killed by northern soldiers together with ironsi.



But to avoid confronting north because of fear, Yorubas changed the narrative claiming he asked Northern soldiers for to kill him together.



But let assume it was true, will you yorubas believe that Fajuyi asked to be killed too if he was killed by Igbos soldiers?

Won't you asked even if he requested that, must you kill him.



There is no record he died fighting for the so called Igbo Man,so how is it hard for Northern soldiers to kill their target and leave.


Assuming na northern soldiers told you people this,so you believe it without asking questions?

What you are saying is that they came there planning to kill him because he participated in the coup and that it was just a coincidence that they also came to kill Ironsi.
You may also say that he did not object to the counter coupists assassinating the head of state in the government house of the western region? He did not object at all. He agreed but yet he was killed?

It is really unfortunate. If you say this in public, I would take you to court and extract money from you if I were Col Fajuyi's son. I would make sure to at least make you poorer

Why do we have deities?

We have deities because spirits outrank each other just like human beings outrank each other. There are fully matured spirits and there are spirits not yet fully matured. There are spirits that take tax from other spirits and they are the Olori Egbe or primary protector and these have male incarnations. There are also fully matured spirits who are members of the God grid and these have female incarnations. The primary protectors liaise directly with the God grid and there is no force on Earth that can stand in the way of the God grid.
Any spirit can help you if you call upon them including immature spirits, it is only that fully matured spirits have more connections, knowhow and experience. Even among fully matured spirits, those who have been in existence for hundreds of thousands of years know themselves and are comrades because of that. The community in heaven is one but on Earth you can only incarnate into your own family. It is therefore possible for a spirit incarnating into a line in an uncontacted tribe to be friends with a spirit incarnating in any other place and etc.
Spirits can help you, there is therefore nothing wrong in calling upon them for help. They have connection and can help anybody. Your own spirit while tending to you, can hear a call from a descendant that is also alive and on an incarnation and help them. That is how it is.

It is because the two madness exist in equal proportion on the land. They therefore neutralize each other

QuinQQ:
They are dead. As in DEAD! Did you consider that angle?
If you know any first world country that worships ancestors let's have it

They are dead? What about your Jesus that you worship? Is he alive? Someone who died two thousand years ago that you say is still alive and you are saying people's real ancestors are dead. I hope you see the folly. Spirits don't die unless of repetitive evil doing. People worship ancestors, liaise with ancestors and etc all over the world from Europe to Japan to China and etc. It is the default for humanity

happney65:
And that is the lie they have told you over the years. Fajuyi didnt lie down his life. He was penciled down by the July coup plotters to revenge the January killings.

As written by Adewale Ademoyega,one of the major coup plotters of the January coup. The July plotters already penciled Fajuyi down to be killed as they thought he was among the planners of January coup. He was named and called "Action grouper" by the July coupisrs and that was why they took both him and Ironisi along.

However Fajuyi knew about the coup but he wasnt a participant as he was away out of the country when the coup took place.

Btw,How can he even stop Danjuma and his group from taking Ironisi? When they were fully armed. So that lies that he lay his life for Ironsi isnt true.

Yet if he did not resist you will be the first one to call him a betrayal or a coward. The Northerners planned to kill Ironsi in Ibadan in order to implicate the Yoruba. They could have killed him in Kaduna but they chose Ibadan to implicate the Yoruba. If they had killed Ironsi in Lagos or Kaduna would Fajuyi still have been killed? Fajuyi simply sacrificed himself because of the honor of his people but you are free to paint him otherwise, it does not remove anything from his sacrifice. He insisted that Ibadan was the wrong place to come and kill Ironsi and he was killed by the counter coupist for that

QuinQQ:
If it happens consistently and her society and all societies like hers are conquered and colonized by ancestor worshiping societies, it would considerably be proof that her method does not work

People who don't worship their ancestors are the outliers. Ancestor worship is the rule all over the world. The only people there for you are your ancestors. They have a stake in you as when they are incarnating it must be through you. When they help you they help themselves. Whether you worship your ancestors or not, they are the ones on the lookout for you

People will always travel and our parents were travelling when the country was well run. If there is an opportunity for you abroad, you must go, foreigners come here too because of opportunity but the thing is that travelling costs money and that money if invested here can also secure anyone's future. Also, there is poverty in all countries, it is just different types. If you are on food stamps, it is poverty, if you are homeless, it is poverty and etc. You can't call all that abundance. So there is no perfect country.
Ghana is exporting up to ten billion dollars worth of farm produce. RSA is exporting fifteen billion dollars worth. This means Nigeria could have been exporting fifty billion dollars worth or more. Think of how many HNIs will exist in the agric sector if that were the case. Think of other sectors that will be propped up. People leaving the country cause poverty too because if they remained they would be forced to grow the GDP but everybody can not remain.
Therefore just leave people to follow their path as what worked for you may not work for everybody

That is more than the population of some sovereign countries

edcas:
Jesus never used any form of magical powers or charms to perform miracles. The turning of water into wine, feeding the multitude with five loafs of bread and two fishes, or any other miracle was made possible by the divine power that is Him (Jesus). Let it be known to you that no magical power or charm can withstand the power of Jesus, because the power and authority in Jesus can silence any magical power or charm. The Bible says, "At the mention of the name of Jesus, ...... every knee must bow" (Phil. 2:10-11). Jesus Himself said, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me" (Matthew 28:18).

Christianity may be seen as a foreign religion, but the gospel of Jesus Christ is not foreign to any culture because Jesus Himself commanded that this gospel be preached to the uttermost part of the earth (cf Acts 1:. So if you want to be a Christian, be careful to follow His teachings, and avoid any practice that is not in alignment or agreement with the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus was a magician or where do you draw the line between magic and miracle and which spiritual power is not from God? All spiritual power are from God

Jesus must have been reincarnated several times as a Jew since he died in the first century

Thank God they did not kill anybody

AlphaTaikun:
This MUST be one of the fastest "regime changes" ever in modern times. The shock and awe of "Operation Epic Fury" led by the United States and Israel. This POTUS sure knows how to walk the talk.

In the NEXT one week, a new transition government will be constituted with input from the Iranian Diaspora. In the meantime, mop up operations have to take place to clear and dismantle any Shiite terror groups still roaming around. The next is to dismantle the Shiite terror networks in Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen and elsewhere. Then face West Africa which is now the LARGEST breeding ground of terror on Earth with Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger Republic being the epicenter of the JNIM jihadist terror group with headquarters in Mali. The Tuareg-led JNIM jihadi group is even deadlier than BH and the BH faction called ISWAP has been getting training and logistics from Mali.

It is not that easy. Killing one person is not regime change when the arms and ammunition are still in the hands of the government's supporters.

bentenny:
In a democratic setup,no political office holders no matter which arm of government they belong bears such humongous powers without corresponding laws to limit or curb their excessiveness!
I still maintain that as much as control may reside with the executive arm, corresponding and unambiguous laws must be spelt out to ensure police officers carry out their duties without much interference by the executive!

Do you think Tinubu can not be voted out despite controlling the police? If President can be voted out then so can be the governor or local government chairman. Then in what way do you think the power of the executive over the police force can be curtailed?

JohnAOne:
Taking all considerations into account, REGIONAL POLICE is still a SAFER approach than STATE POLICE in present-day Nigeria.

Who will be in charge of the regional police? If a mere residential estate can have security, why can't a state or local government? Why can't a responsible adult bear arms? Mind you if you are a big shot you will bear arms. All the going back and forth is just much ado about nothing. Who gains are the criminals

DarkJeddi:
Ogbeni,by whichever metrics you want to measure it with,the SE is comparatively a very safe place.

Are you saying a town of 50 people with 3 murders is safer than a town of 150 people with 4 murders?

CSTRR:
Igbos have the oldest proven archaeological history. The very meaning of their name means "ancient".
They were here before everybody else.

You won't be able to understand any language spoken even five thousand years ago and their culture will seem strange to you.

AntiChristian:
What are the purposes of:

Russia vs Ukraine war -

USA and co vs Iraq war

Russia/Ukraine is for territory while US and NATO versus Iraq was for regime change to force Iraq into an alliance with US/NATO. It was therefore technically territorial as well. It must also be noted that what led to the war was Saddam's refusal to allow nuclear inspection even after terrorists killed over 3k US citizens in one day during 9/11. We therefore have religion in it as well. Muslims fighting for Muslims

bentenny:
What you are unwisely asking for is a recipe for disaster!
It's like devolving impunity and recklessness from federal to state!
On a norm,the unlimited powers bestowed on the president in terms of security by the constitution is flawed and it should be reviewed to ensure the president influence on policing is curbed!
Saying that this same recklessness at the federal level should now be cascaded to states and LGA doesn't solve the problem...on the contrary,the situation may get worse and lead to arnachy!
Imagine if a state governor is a Boko Haram/bandit sympathiser and he or she now has unlimited access to use police at their will!

That you are in control of the police does not mean you can't lose election and that is all that matters. How are you going to stop people from voting against you?. There is no big deal in carrying arms and any responsible adult should be allowed to carry arms after a thorough background check in addition to all licensed security firms

AntiChristian:
Why was the slave trade wars fought?

Real wars are not fought for slaves. Raiders raid for slaves and a raid is a surprise attack and not a real war or expedition. Wars are fought to add territory so that you can secure revenue from the new territories

bentenny:
Are you serious with this statement of yours?
The presidency uses security operatives at will to carry out their rascality on political opponents!
A simple example is how EFCC treated former governor yahaya bello and Nasir elrufai!
Both may have questions to answer but one is free because he is loyal to the president but another is in custody because he is an opponent!
Yes GEJ could have but he refused but that doesn't mean another will not use it at their will!
This is why there should be laws to limit the powers of governors or president on policing in order to curb their excessiveness!

If you can't limit the President then there is no need to limit the governors or local government chairmen. Police is not the court and there is very little the police can do for the chief executive in the long run or in reality. Sacrificing security on the altar of curbing governors or local government chairmen is naive in my opinion. Civil servants including police will always work for the person that wins election. They will switch loyalty immediately another person is sworn in. The arguments against local government and state police is not tenable

bentenny:
In a democratic setup,governors have 'limited' control over the police as a measure to curb their excessiveness and high-handedness!
There is also the aspect of the legislative and judicary operating as an oversight on the executive with the inclusion of important clauses that impedes the governor from having unlimited access to the state police!
If a state governor is given 100% over the police,it's will most likely be used as a tool to attack political opponents and ensure the rights of citizens are stifled!
The senate must draft state police g in such a way that the governor only has limited powers not total access!

The President, Governor, LG chairmen and even university VCs should have the same control over the police that is under them. Private security firms should also bear arms as well as responsible adult citizens after a background check. The job of the police is to provide security and if the President is not using the police against his opponents then a governor or LG chairman can't. President Jonathan lost elections despite controlling the police

Bluearrow:
They need to change this current Iran regime. The man is utterly uselesss! Iran is in serious economy mess & all he thinks about is war & acquiring nuclear weapons at the expense of Iran citizens.

Only an invasion can change the regime and if you were an American, will you agree to an invasion?. Israel alone can not do an invasion. Sure, many Iranians are against the Islamic Republic but many will also support the Islamic Republic because Iran is under attack. The only plausible outcome of the new attack is that Iran will withdraw entirely from talks and announce that it has started building nukes. Iran too is using propaganda and many high profile deaths that are reported may just be propaganda and nothing more