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Thanks be to GOD almighty! Baby GRACIOUS will live by his grace. Amen!

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We will be praying for Gracious, that God will do a mighty healing work
within her. That she will be a mighty testimony of what God can do and
will astound the doctors with her healing.

'Heal me, O Lord, and I shall be healed. Save me, and I shall be saved,
for you are my praise.' Jeremiah 17:14

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the finances they need and that they will know God's presence with them
at this time.

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Yes, we have already discussed it

silentlywild: I know Men say they like to still be free after marriage but, didnt they make those promises infront of the pastor to stay by their woman for better or for worse. Why is it that once the wife is pregnant they start looking at the next thing in a skirt(Man or Women).If the roles were reversed you expect the woman to sit with you and possibly feed you soup to get you better.

Isnt the Woman carrying the baby that you both planted in her....STOP being selfish and PLS if you have to play out of Marriage, put a rubber on it...Dnt pass on some random disease on ur wife because you want some 5mins fun....

Some Men are too happy about the new life that is coming to join the family to be bothered looking at other ladies. They stick with their wives and do all the chores allowing wifey to rest. The new baby coming is worth everything in the world and more. Thats how I know it in my circle sha!
Bless

MRbrownJAY: @OP
you should have understood that there are many people who are neither in a r/ship nor single, and therefore "it's complicated" is the only way to describe there r/ship..........you taking it all literally is .

the fact that you automatically assumed that if it is complicated then it is unhealthy (or not working), is also wrong, and you should probably open your mind a little.

Hmmm never thought of it that way. Thanks

Idowuogbo: ^We thank God for u but u still remain dodgy to some.

Rather we thank GOD for the baby because this has nothing to do with me. Am just an Instrument God used. As for being dodgy to some, all I can say is "JESUS CHRIST" was killed for his goodness so who am I? If some faceless people decides to label me bad or scam without any prof what so ever what can I do about it? I have been online (Naijarules) for the past 8years so credible people that actually show their faces can vouch for me. People in the Public eye in Naija can vouch for me. My name is there in public so I have nothing to hide. If you are on FB check my profile (Otunba Khamileon) and see if I am the type that could hurt a fly, not to talk of stealing a cent from anybody. After all that went down here "SOMETHING GOOD" still came out of the situation through the person called Kanou so I still owe my thanks to Nairaland. Later I will publicly thank Nairaland and provide latest updates on baby Gracious (By the way she is almost 3 now)

Relationship Status : "IT'S COMPLICATED" Well try to resolve whatever issue and try to make it not so complicated. Unhealthy relationships are not good for you, your health, your kids..etc Relationships are not fairy tales full of goodies.. It's something that needs to be worked on constantly and if it's not working, then it's not working. But make Communication a very top priority in your relationship as most of us Talk but don't Communicate. Do not try to be RIGHT in everything, because you are not going to win any price for being right. Finally do not be a "Superstar or Celebrity" to your partner, drop that stardom at your doorstep and just be a wife, husband, boyfriend, girlfriend to your partner. Remain Blessed.

I want to thank you so much! You have been a tremendous help

lizzybabe1: Can I just say that the 'Kanu Heart Foundation' route is not as easy as people are saying here. Someone I knew couldn't get the much needed help from them. Though this case has been exposed as a scam, I just felt the need to still give this information for future purposes.

Actually it is not! Just that people are too busy suspecting others and most people are not taking the time to pause, read and assimilate! As long as an old timer says it's a LIE, most jump on the bandwagon and says it's a LIE! Who on earth would put out their personal info to scam people? Anyway I just want to say whatever happened here never deterred me, I have been on this case day and night and thanks be to GOD I just received a good news, there has been a huge break through in the case! Gotten through an info I received on this same page, so it all turned out good at the end I will post everything here soon. I praise and thank GOD that I never allowed anything here deter me from the main focus. By God's grace Baby Gracious will live! Thanks and Godbless

NEW BIN: Abeg i need very straight answer.
in the bible, Jesus often prayed to the father.Could he have prayed to himself?
on the cross for instance he said eli eli meaning LORD LORD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME? IS HE THE SAME AS THE GOD HE CALLS ON? I am confused, help!!!!

Is TIME one? What about an EGG? these are the simply examples I can give. Time is Triune in nature cos we are constantly living in the Past, Present and Future yet it is still one and the same TIME! An Egg has the yoke,white stuff and the back .. If you separate it, each of the part is still EGG and if you leave them together it is still EGG. And so we have The GODHEAD which comprises of Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three in one Same God, each has a Function! Jesus is the WORD and has all the fullness of Godhead. There is a place in the Bible where God the Father address Jesus as God. Also God the father calls himself "I AM" Jesus also used this same title "Before Abraham was, I AM" You must also understand that while Jesus was on earth he was a full Man! He experienced everything a normal man experiences, so when in turmoil, he prayed to the FATHER, but in Revelations you see Jesus as he is in Heaven, proclaiming himself "Alpha and Omega" Again he said "I and My Father are ONE" And don't forget, he was killed because he claimed to be GOD (The Jews said "We are not stoning you for any of these but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God".. In the beginning The WORD "Jesus" was with GOD "Father" and the WORD "Jesus" was GOD..
(Philippians 2:6 Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God)
(Colossians 2:9 says, "...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.)
(Jesus forgave sin in the Bible (Matthew 9:2). Only God Almighty can forgive sin)
(Jesus accepted the worship of others (Matthew 8:2). Only God Almighty is entitled to receive worship)
(The word “Godhead” is found in Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 in the King James Bible)[color=#990000][/color]
Of cause Trinity is mystery but so are so many other things, that was why I use the simply explanation of time and Egg, I hope I made some sense to you... Stay Blessed

JeSoul: Well you said it yourself, its a Liberal country, and it will most certainly be reflected in the attitudes & behavior of people. Btw, that is a grand looking church.

I know, I guess I was hoping for too much! People usually relax and smoke marijuana at the front of the Church when it's not open so it's a common sight... I guess this particular Hippie guy didn't see much difference between smoking at the entrance and taking his stuff inside the church.. I wish this Church were in Nigeria, they would really make good use of it cos it's empty most of the time... Bless

More Pics..

I know we have the most liberal Country in the world were Prostitution, Marijuana, Euthanasia are legalized. So I am used to seeing people smoke weed on the street etc.. But I had a rude shock couple of hours ago when I decided to go have a quiet time in the City's Main Catholic Church. I saw this guy that looked like a hippie with extremely long ear rings on both ears walked out of the Church with a big Fat Marijuana in his hand, he was barely outside when he lit his stuff and started smoking... I looked at him for sometime and then went ahead to have my quiet time. Even if Marijuana is legal, I believe people should still have respect for a place of worship... Some pics of the Church in Eindhoven (Holland) below Enjoy!!...

NB: I grew up as Catholic but am not a practicing Catholic anymore..(I attend a Pentecostal Church) But I still go to the City's main Catholic Church sometimes to have a quiet time.. Bless

numo86: This is a question that needs serious pondering,
I have always asked and will continue to ask:::what kind of body does Jesus have in heaven or what is he
A human with flesh and bone or a spirit?
Many say because Jesus showed his apostles d nail imprints on his hands and feet and also because they felt him therefore he ascended to heaven as a human,while others according to 1corinthians 15:45$50 says Jesus is a life giving spirit because flesh and blood(including bone) cannot reside in heaven,
And if Jesus has d same nature as his Father and also the other angels then is Jesus still a human in heaven or a spirit??
Answers please,

I understand why you can be a bit confused by this but you have to look at it in the following sequence. Jesus lived in Heaven before he came to earth so he is a spirit being like every one of us. But to live on earth you need a physical body, so he lived in one while on earth.. Remember when he showed his disciples his nail print he was on earth..so as long as the occurrence is on earth, it's always his physical body, and in Heaven his Spiritual body. The way he looked while on earth is not how he looks in Heaven. Dont forget while on earth, he took on the nature of man, but in Heaven his nature as God shows.. Read "Revelation 1 Verses 11-17" His beloved disciple JOHN could not even look at his face, he was trembling, at the presence of GOD-The Son. You will see Jesus in his full glory as God the son and understand that he is not human in heaven. You will also see Baba GOD himself (The almighty father) His appearance is described in Revelations 4 Verse 3-
I hope you understand a bit now: Bless

stagger: Lenny5000,

Until you get the parents of this baby to exhaust local options here and it is very clear that the operation cannot be done (which I doubt seriously), then you have no right to ask anyone here to contribute towards your N2million target.

Stagger it's like you are not reading my post or don't understand. I never DIRECTLY asked a SOUL here to DONATE. I only came here to clarify some things, if not you would never have seen me on this thread or post. In one of my post up there I mentioned your name because I told the father about suggestions made by people here and he is happy about it. It's not like he has any choice, neither am I his spokes person. I saw the Baby's pics and am trying to do the little I can. What would it take for you to speak with me? You just name it! Maybe I am not communicating well here! Maybe through you there might be different alternatives for the parents. If you hate my guts and don't want to speak with me, would you at least speak to the father of the baby and at least hear him out? Cos I am as much a stranger to him just like you, except that he has heard about me and I have spoken to him once. So there might be a million thing about his situation that I dont know. All I am thinking about is the baby, and that's my driving force. Bless

reindeer: If this story is true, then it's quite sad.
Right now i've got niggling worries about the whole set up and i may be wrong.
Maybe it's just that the proponents of action in this case are not getting their points accross accurately.
If 'stagger'' suggested UNTH why won't the family of the patient run down there if thats where they'll get succour?
Asking the person who suggested UNTH to get you contacts doesn't show any seriousness on the part of the patients. If anything im sure parents of a child in need will not hesitate to go to sokoto if that is where their baby might be helped.It is also quite easy referring from one teaching hospital to the other, letr UBTH refer her straight to UNTH, most specialists in teaching hospitals know each other especially in the same fields. The parents could also ask their consultant in UBTH to refer them to the specialist in UNTH, surely this can't be hard, its just one more letter.
I just hope someone isn't trying to scam people by playing up the health of a child, that will be the lowest of lows.
I just hope that isn't the case.

Thanks for your post, maybe I am not getting my points across like you suggested or maybe people did not read everything I wrote, because one of the post up there explained everything I have to do with this. If you have the time pls go through all my post. I have been online for more than 8yrs, made terrific friends some of them still very close. In real life I know many reputable people in Nigeria and also here and each and everyone of them can vouch for the type of person I am...that was why I took this to Facebook in the first place so I can deal with people directly.I only came here to correct some notions and then it took a different turn. I might be new here but doesn't mean I have to prove myself to everybody before I will be accepted. My name is in the public, it can easily be goggled and everything about me known, so what is there to hide? I am yet to see or meet anybody in real life or online that don't like me or that I don't get along with because of my nature and I wonder why all the hostility here. If you are ready to speak I would gladly speak to you or if you are known here then I would gladly produce everything about myself to you and give you a free hand to judge the type of person I am. I am not one of those faceless people online, I am using my real data and if you read all my post it will take you less that 5mins to pull all my data out of the net. I didn't just depend on people online, at Church a Suriname lady gave 100euros, another gave 5euros while I try to contact different doctors, so I am doing my best while the Parents of Baby GRACIOUS are doing theirs. Until somebody speak to them and have a heart to heart talk with them, you cant truly judge them. Do you want to speak with them? Are there ways you can help? Let your heart speak for you and not all the hostility you read or see here. Bless

ifyalways:
Lenny,im still waiting for the parents contacts.
I would leave benin later today.

Just for the records,Lenny did send me a mail through the email address i provided on this thread BUT the mail did not have the information i asked for.He only said i should send him my personal email address or phone number.I replied immediately with a personal email and asked again for the parents contacts.Lenny's second mail was he "needs my number cos there are things he wants to discuss with me before sending me baby gracious parents no"

I replied him yet again that whatever he wants to talk should be done by mail.I'm yet to get a response from him since then.

Lenny,what do we need to discuss that can't be discussed via mail?I have just 6 hours or so more to spend in Benin.
If this baby is existing,please can i get the parents contacts?Thank you.

Listen I am a little bit tired of the way you attack or address me. I have been extremely polite through out my conversation with you or anybody else. I don't need your phone number for anything other than to explain certain things and also give you the details you asked for through phone. I replied you immediately I got your mail and was constantly checking my "Sent Mail" to make sure the mail went through. I waited for your response till 4am to acknowledge that you got my message and when I didn't see anything from you I went to bed. I am doing this with my personal details and so I have nothing to hide. Finally you could also have sent this message to my private email instead of here. I am not in a public court waiting for anybody to judge me. I am doing this from my heart and not looking for praises from anybody, you yourself said you are not doing this on behalf of NL so I dont see why you could not write me back even if you didn't hear anything from me rather than coming here to write these. I am not a regular on NL so I sometimes stay without visiting for a month or two  that was why I gave my FB contact for anybody to reach me. So if I had not visited for a month so many wrong conclusions would have been made about me?,  Finally I would politely ask you to stop addressing me together with Angela or what's her name. You have my email and you are very free to contact me anytime. I am not into all this exchange that was why I asked for help on FB in the first place where people at least see me and communicate with me directly, I only came into this thread to address some accusations and might not be regular here just like before. Since you accuse me in public it's only fair I clear my name in public, so below are our conversation through mail. Thanks,

Our Mail Exchange

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From: "rosye****@yahoo.com" <rosye****n@yahoo.com>
To: lenny***ran@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 1:27 AM
Subject: Ifyalways

Hi,
    Got your mail via nld charity. I'm in benin now and would leave benin Morrow.
How do I get baby gracious folks?

Ify
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

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From: Leo*** A**Odek*** <lenny***ran@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:38:27 -0800 (PST)
To: "rosye****@yahoo.com" <rosye****n@yahoo.com>
ReplyTo: Leo*** A**Odek*** <lenny***ran@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ifyalways

Pls send me your number lets talk , so I explain some things to you before giving you the number,  I am waiting , THanks for getting back. Bless

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From: "rosye****@yahoo.com" <rosye****n@yahoo.com>
To: Leo*** A**Odek*** <lenny***ran@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: Ifyalways

Let's talk via mail.
I'm more comfortable discussing through email.

Ify
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

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M:
From: Leo*** A**Odek*** <lenny***ran@yahoo.com>
TO:
rosye****n@yahoo.com
Message flagged Friday, March 9, 2012 2:01 AM
Okay,
the short version of what I wanted to say on the phone is this, I tried calling the mother of Baby Gracious (Faith) but her husband (Innocent) picked up. I don't know him and have never spoken to him before but he definitely has heard of me from my kid sis or his wife, so I asked him if he knew what we are doing on his daughters behalf and he said yes and did all the thank you, etc  I told him about Stagers (NL)suggestion about Kanu Heart Foundation and he went into this long story about how he had tried that before, etc. Then I told him that a Lady (You) might visit him from Lagos and you might have other good options and suggestions and I would give you their numbers, he was happy to hear that and was okay with it. I also forwarded updates on Money raised so far via email to him. Their numbers are: INNOCENT 080 3095**** FAITH 080 3358****   

You are probably in Benin for the burial of Perx (Her cousin told me they will bury her 9am) Be strong and have a safe journey back up,  Please reply me that you received this and when you return and have rested please write me and update me on how your meet with Innocent and Faith went,  When you call, tell Innocent that you are the lady, Sta*** elder brother (Lenny) told him about.
Bless

stagger:
Nothing will come out of the KHF option because they have a long waiting list and the money available to them is not limitless. At a point, there were feelers that the foundation was a bit cash strapped. There is no way they can pay N2million each for the more than 1000 persons on their waiting lists.

I gave a very viable option. There is a heart surgery team in the University Teaching Hospital at Ituku Ozalla in Enugu:

Prof Martin AC Aghaji (world renowned. He is the President of the Nigerian Cardiac Society. You can Google him if you wish)
Dr Okwuleghe
Dr Eze
Dr Ejemba

They have a fully functional operating unit, complete with pump oxygenator and other gadgets used for open heart surgeries, and an appreciable success rate.

It is a very viable option and the cost will not be anywhere near N2m.

I have checked several times and you still have not sent the email or contact you promised,
I think both of us are not communicating well, you feel I am writing off your suggestions because of what I said,  but the message I was trying to pass with that is "I wont make the VITAL DECISION on where the kid would be operated that's all!  Also I just learnt about the Death of Perx when I was writing and I was shocked and truly saddened so I guess my emotions were running wild,   Still The Parents of Baby Gracious might be all too happy with your suggestions and go with your option. So forget I ever exist if you feel offended by the way I write or communicate, just think about the kid alone that you are trying to help. If you take your time to read and assimilate all my post here you will notice I said I am not running the show,  Every information is on the Blog and it's on that information I or any other person interested in the Baby is working from,  It is also stated on the Blog that the phone numbers of the mother (FAITH) and the Doctor can be given to anybody as long it has to do with the baby,  All the person needs to do is request for it via the email.

NB: Pls if you know how to reach Ify, can you inform her that I sent her a mail and she should reply Asap?  It's past 1am in the morning and I have not gone to bed yet checking my mail regular to see if she has replied. I will stay up till 2am if nothing from her I will hit the bed.

Kanou:
Hello!

I haven't read all comments but this situation reminded me of a TV program about children an association would bring to France for heart surgery.

This association struggles to offer an operation to children born with a cardiac malformation.

Located in France, it regularly welcomes the children for the time they need to be surgically taken care of.

You can visit: http://www.mecenat-cardiaque.org/realite.html The link is in french, I'm not sure it is found in english.

Just my contribution.

Thank you so much, I was able to translate the French and sent them a mail, which they have replied, I truly appreciate your kind gestures, Thank you so much and Godbless.

ifyalways:
Again, can Lenny send me the contacts of baby gracious parents.

I would be in benin tomorrow and have enough time to visit and most especially talk to them about the other cheaper, better and more realistic option available which include enugu and the heart foundation.

I'm waiting.

Thanks Ify, I just sent you a mail, can you reply with your private mail, and also send me your telephone number. We need to speak Asap!  By the way I spoke to the Baby's father and they would be delighted to meet you , according to him they have been to Kanu' Heart Foundation , but nothing came out of it. Anyway he will tell you more when you meet in person. Pls check ur spam mail if you cant find my mail in ur inbox,  Bless

benvivi:
why are we saying take her to kanu heart foundation? when the child can barely survive without oxygen pls lets be considerate. I KNOW THE HOSPITAL CAN SUSTAIN HER WHILE TRAVELING BUT WE DONT NEED DIS ARGUEMENT WE NEED ACTION.I VE ON MY OWN CONTACTED FRIENDS AND FAMILY to help dis young soul , i feel for the woman cos am amother and pains like dis is unbearable, i lost my little neice at UNTH ENUGU last three years , she suffered similar hole in the heart. i dont know dis family but God knows me , i fowarded dis to most of the members of our staff at MRS OIL NIG PLC  and their response has been encouraging. IF IT IS A SCAM THEN THE PERSON IS IN FOR THE SUFFERING OF HIS HER LIFE TIME, THE WILL BE ALIVE AND SEE THE MONEY BUT THE CONDITION OF POOR GRACE WILL BE BETTER THAN THEIRS. PLS LETS DO WAT WE CAN. GOD BLESS NIGERIA

Thank you much for your post may God bless you. I didn't bring the Issue here but took it to my friends on FB because I cant sit here and be arguing with people. At least those that knows me personal can decide whether to contribute or not. Most people here are posting as Anonymous with Users name but I told everyone who I am and how to Contact me yet they are too busy looking for Faults,  Imagine after my last response somebody is still calling this "My Cause"  because I am trying to raise money and awareness for this Baby how does that make it  my Cause, when am neither related to the Parents nor close to them? When others like you and the OP are doing the exact same thing?. And Now because I said I wont be responsible for making that VITAL decision about the Baby going to Kanu Heart Foundation instead of where the Family Doctor Diagnosed am accused of "wasting people's time and all that" Without even reading the whole thing some are even Insinuating this might be Scam? How could it be Scam when I and my family are contributing money to this? How could it be Scam when my Pics is on my profile and I have given my Contact? I am comfortable where I reside, so why don't people remove their focus from me and concentrate on the Baby if they truly want to help? Because till now I never asked any member of Nairaland for one red cent. Once again thanks for your Compassion and Kindness towards this baby that you dont even know. If you want to reach me you can do so via Facebook (Otunba Khamileon)  Godbless

stagger:
So because someone died in a hospital, you now decide to condemn the entire health sector? DO you know the complete story of Perx's illness?

You guys in the diaspora should believe in your country. Some of us have received all our medical attention here in Nigeria and we are still bouncing strong. If you know you are not a believer in getting a local option that works and will eventually be affordable to the family of this baby, it is better you say so; I don't want to waste my time.
You are complaining of slow responses yet you want to use a more expensive option. Good luck to you, but I do hope you know that even in the US, for every transplant case that sails through, many more die on the waiting list.
Be open to options and don't jeopardise the life of that baby looking for expensive options abroad. I rest my case here.

I believe in Nigeria and have contributed more to it than you can ever realize. By using the words " I don't want to waste my time" I want you know that I am not related to this Baby or the mother in anyway, she is just someone my kid sister knows. Also by helping her you are not helping me in anyway. So the "I don't want to waste my time" doesn't come to play here. She is a Nigerian, and a human. I heard about the story just like you are also hearing about it and decided to help the way I know. If you are moved by her story and wants to help the way you know, you should do so by all means, Doesnt stop me from airing my opinion just like you did. What I implied by my post is I wont be making that Decision of ENUGUN just as nobody would make decisions about my family for me. The Mother of the baby should make that decision herself. Let me state here that I am not running this show or trying to dictate anything, I am just trying to get help to the baby the way I can. If you or anybody else for that matter know more and wants to help you are very free to do so. Please lets not make this thing personal because it is not. Bless

sexysunnyb:
this church is to enter world book record for [b]first church without offering and tither [/b]hmmmm our oil money

Actually not true because there are so many churches all over the world where they don't collect or talk about tithe Also there are hundreds of well researched Christians articles written on the Issues of tithe that it is not required of Born again Christians, just that so many people ignore it because their Pastors, Bishops, GO's says they must pay tithe.