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DavidEsq:
Let's consider these, piecemeal: these scriptures u cited are not different from the ones I cited. 1 Thesselonians 4:16 clearly says the dead shall rise.......if the dead have to rise to be with Christ, why then do u say we go to heaven wen we die? If we go to heaven wen we die, would there be need for a resurrection that wouldn't still take us to the same heaven which we already are, when we die? Let's get done with this first, then we can move on to the next truth

DavidEsq:
Let's consider these, piecemeal: these scriptures u cited are not different from the ones I cited. 1 Thesselonians 4:16 clearly says the dead shall rise.......if the dead have to rise to be with Christ, why then do u say we go to heaven wen we die? If we go to heaven wen we die, would there be need for a resurrection that wouldn't still take us to the same heaven which we already are, when we die? Let's get done with this first, then we can move on to the next truth

DavidEsq:
Ecclesiastics 3:19-20: "for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust".
Gen 3:19: "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return".
Job 14:13-15: "O that in the Grave you would conceal me,That you would hide me until your anger passes by,That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! 14 If a man dies, can he live again?I will wait all the days of my compulsory serviceUntil my relief comes. 15 You will call, and I will answer you.You will long for the work of your hands".
John 5:28,29: "Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment".
This teaching of transition to another place of life after death is not based on the bible.

DavidEsq:
Ecclesiastics 3:19-20: "for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust".
Gen 3:19: "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return".
Job 14:13-15: "O that in the Grave you would conceal me,That you would hide me until your anger passes by,That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! 14 If a man dies, can he live again?I will wait all the days of my compulsory serviceUntil my relief comes. 15 You will call, and I will answer you.You will long for the work of your hands".
John 5:28,29: "Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment".
This teaching of transition to another place of life after death is not based on the bible.

janettee:
Whatever that means .

OpenYourEyes1:
How do you suggest the church be funded?
The church must be funded in one way or another.
The apostles of Jesus did something similar to tithing where they encourage people to sell parts of their properties to fund God's work .

I think tithing should be voluntary though. Nobody should be forced to pay.
It just unfortunate it's been abused by some so clergymen.

"In their greed these false teachers will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed." — ◄2 Peter 2:3

They are still in the flesh, and witnessing flashes of miracles and testimonies from brethren and that is of course drawing members wide and near to their various churches. And yet we can see that they are not ready to enter into the deep water. When they are ready for Christ to be formed in their heart he will manifest himself and the whole world will be amazed.


What should they do then?


Have you ever seen someone who's man of God Almighty and CHRIST JESUS indeed?, they are very rare in this dispensation. Someone whose faith is rested on the power of God Almighty and CHRIST JESUS and not on the wisdom of men.

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.



They are still scheming for the dollars in the name of seeds, tithes, first fruit offerings and what have you, they haven't started preaching the gospel of Christ Jesus. The arm of the lord has not been revealed to them, they are still operating in the former glory of the church.


Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?


Are they sure that they are risen together with Christ Jesus, do they really understood the tenants of the Spirit. Have they been dipped in to the water of life??, or as John the Baptist noted that Christ Jesus shall baptize with the Spirit. We doubt if they are into the river of God Almighty's yet.


What should they do Check the account balance of several of them, including their junior pastor's, you'd find 1.1 billion, 3 billion we are not joking here, we are talking seriously. Now ask yourself, where are they going with such kind of money and this money keeps increasing every day every moment. And they feel it's God Almighty's presence and his blessings upon their ministries. Lies from the pit of hell.



Our first apostles were almost tempted by Satan to fall into this trap, don't forget Christ Jesus had told Peter that Satan have desired to use him as he, Satan likes but that Christ has prayed for him and when he's restored, he shouldn't forget to restore his brethren.

And upon this rock, which is the heart of Peter I, the Almighty God will establish his church"


And true to the word of God Almighty through Christ Jesus it played out during the first prosperity season of the church...




Acts 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.


6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.


6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.



6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.


But we, the apostles will give ourselves to prayers and to the ministry of the undiluted word of the living God Almighty. They quickly recover themselves from the hand of Satan and did the right thing. Guess what


Acts 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: 6:6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.

6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.


And the word of God Almighty increased, the effectiveness of God Almighty increased because they stopped serving tables and began serving the living God. They set their affection on things above and not things on the earth. Please tell them to empty their account for the brethren, to supply the needs of the church. The dare need of the church is the people and not the building itself but the hungry, Sick children of God Almighty who have been used and dumped by the so called friends. God Almighty is warning you to stop stealing from the people and start working with your own hands.


Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

When you do this, and stop depending on the gift and offering of the brethren to furnish yourself and business development, and building school and college, then when you preach you will experience greatness.




1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.