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BAC:
. . . you better throw that Java in the bin

Which do u refer to: /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin ?

IG:
look at what Steve Yegge said after praising Java over C++Spot on

. . .as you can see he said nothing about .NET, I strongly suspect he would've said something quite similar.

MsTom:
@logica and beaf

What is the name of the 'single java book' that you read? Would like to get my hand on it.

I cannot even remember the name as it's been a while. Fact is, I wouldn't even have had any use for the book if I had the kind of Internet access back then, as I now have.

Beaf:
I even though you were going to offer some reason why swing and swt offered something for "Business/Enterprise development" that WPF / Silverlight didn't. I really thought you had some new and wicked angle; shame it never came.

Why in the World would I want to talk about Swing and SWT, which have no bearing on the client-side of the typical N-Tier application these days? There is an embarrassment of alternatives for client-end: good examples are the Google Gears and Scriptaculous; which of course are all pluggable frameworks on top of others like Struts and Spring.

Beaf:
You simply don't understand the topic, so you are making up a fresh one.
I will very kindly explain it to you; the topic is not about Business/Enterprise development. Far from it! Rather, as the title says, it is an argument about "7 Reasons Why .net languages are Not Better Than Java Languages", Do you now get it?

Yes, that's the topic; my argument is related enough to the topic, as that is all I am concerned with - Business/Enterprise development. Java has been leveraged as a Business/Enterprise development platform (and this has been stated many times without number for it to sink in by now), therefore if you are going to compare any language, you have to do it from that point of view; therefore you are the one suffering from comprehension deficit.

Beaf:
As to the "mumbo jumbo" thing, we all understand that some of us get rude when defeated by superior logic. Do you know the "exact difference" between Anonymous Delegates in C# and Anonymous Inner Classes in Java?

Again comprehension deficit: there is no "exact difference", after all Anonymous Delegates merely copied what was already part of standard Java and put on a veneer of "extras" which were also already part of Java, albeit existing independent patterns. You really do flatter yourself if you think you presented anything close to an argument or logical for that matter.

IG:
1-subtle errors in the use of JNI can destabilize the entire JVM in ways that are very difficult to reproduce and debug.
2-You do not have to code any C or C++.
4-There is no chance of making mistake in the C/C++ connector code cos it doesn't exist.

And who says you cannot similarly make errors in the code you write for .NET; human error is expected when you are developing code. Therefore these drawbacks are not specific to only JNI.

IG:
You cannot replace those C/C++ codes.

Any code can be replaced. Most are not even C/C++ code, but ANY code can be replaced or ported.

IG:
In .NET that connector code is written in whatever .NET language you are using right within your other code. No need for non .NET files. The ease of calling native code in .NET is what facilitates the writing of many gui toolkit bindings like GTK#, Qt#, wx.NET e.t.c.

. . . and what exact advantage does that provide?

IG:
My friend, legacy codes are not going to be replaced anytime in the forseeable future. Almost all windows dlls and linux/unix shared libraries are written in C or C++ and nobody is going to replace them with Java or .NET libraries.

When I refer to legacy code, I refer to custom code written for enterprise/business purposes, which have been tried and tested for decades, and are considered reliable. And most can be easily ported to Java these days, considering the stability and safety offered by the language. Which Windows DLLs could I possibly be calling for what ever purpose?

IG:
Why complicate things with two runtimes and two compilers. Why cant we have a single compiler and runtime that has a server mode option.

Pretty obvious; as you mentioned the slow start-up. It's for more responsive client apps (meaning quicker launching of apps). Users are generally not very patient with slow loading apps. Maybe in the future, they may converge.

IG:
@logica, when calling native code with java you have create some .c or .cpp files. You have to code C or C++ to call native code already written probably in C or C++.
In .NET you use PInvoke to call the native code diectly in your .NET program.

OK, you write a C/C++ "connector" code that's probably no more than 3 lines. How does that make it such a bad thing? Besides, the only practical use of JNI is to provide access to "legacy code" which most enterprises will best invest in replacing anyway.

Beaf:
WPF offers tremendous productivity enhancements to GUI development and it does it to levels previously unheard off. Java has no counterpart.

I asked how much advantage this offers to Business/Enterprise development (which you should know has little to do with GUI).

Beaf:
As for Anonymous Inner Classes, I really love to refer to this list all the time for C#'s advantages;
    * Much more concise syntax in C# with lambda expressions and anonymous methods
    * Type inference
    * General support for delegates in the language (method group conversions etc)
    * Multi-cast delegates with language support
    * Events (simple syntax for the observer pattern based on delegates)
    * Asynchronous execution via the system thread-pool
    * Expression trees with language support
Source: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1246534/real-advantages-of-net-delegates-over-javas-anon-classes

A whole bunch of mumbo-jumbo which doesn't point to the exact difference between Anonymous Delegates in C# and Anonymous Inner Classes in Java. For instance events + observer/observable pattern is entrenched in Java.

Beaf:
What are the Java equivalents to these now common place components of the broad .NET family (nothing primitive like swing or anonymous classes please);
[list]
[li]WPF[/li]
[li]Silverlight[/li]
[li]Anonymous delegates[/li]
[/list]

Which of these provide an edge in developing Business Applications?

And why won't any Java developer who knows his left from his right know what you refer to as anonymous delegates are the same as what we call Anonymous Inner Classes in Java?

IG:
Very much different. Java's method is very dirty. You have generate some files that only sun microsystems understands  . In .NET you only need to know the signature of the functions you are calling. No need to generate any file or use any tool apart from your compiler.

Huh? Can you explain more about this?

papas:
Is there a chance that someone has custom made ipsw to share? Or is there a tried and tested source for custom ipsw's? (talking about the "3.1.x" firmware).

What do you need a custom FW for?

Beaf:
C# set to take Java's crown as Java drops 50 percent, click the link; Java has lost 50% of its users to mainly C# in the past 7 years.

That was a very silly stat. I for one have only ever used ONE Java book, and that was when I started coding Java in 1998. I have always downloaded free books or read articles online since then. I expect quite a number of Java developers do the same.

Seun:
Fortunately for us, lawsuits are not prevalent in the Nigerian business environment, so open source is ok.

Even though this comment is 3.5 years old, what do lawsuits have to do with Open Source?

ilosiwaju:
it's a good thing but its being overrated, i wonder what you want philip emeagwali to say if you call this an IT record.

It's seems you haven't gotten the memo, but Emeagwali himself is at best overrated and at worst a fraud.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-19285.0.html
http://chippla..com/2005/12/is-philip-emeagwali-fake.html
http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/emeag.html

http://chxta..com/2006/04/is-philip-emeagwali-fake.html

It seems it is actually the Emeagwali experience that makes a lot of people to quickly call any achievement hype to order.

Unbelievable. So there are actually this number of active users on the Programming forum, yet most threads will only see 2/3 posts?

LOL!

Don't you think an archive format will be more appropriate (such as the popular .ZIP)?

What help do you need? You mean you need somebody to help you do your school home-work?

Dolemite:
What are the prospects of pc game programming commercially in Nigeria? Im currently into actionscript, darkbasic,

Don't you think it will be globally acclaimed if it was any good? Don't dwell on the Nigerian market. There's nothing stopping you from creating games that will be downloaded and bought world-wide, even while you live in Nigeria.

Not if the generic framework handles all the stuff you have been developing your mini framework for, plus more.

Apparently you never had to deal with servlet/JSP-only, before the advent of Struts and friends. Before Struts came along, people had to basically develop their own mini framework (unsurprisingly many bore uncanny resemblance to Struts since they were based on the same design philosophy). Struts solidified out of this "view component magma" and I must say it was like Heaven when I started using it (back in 2002).

candylips:
Don't go near Struts

LOL. Isn't Struts "Programmer Friendly"? At least you as a programmer get a lot of control and do a lot of work. Struts2 is lovely in my opinion.

If the original poster wants something with less programming (not sure what he meant by programmer friendly), then he should try Liferay, which is basically a Content Management System (CMS) based on Java and customizable using Java of course.

mjay:
pls i need an itune account to be able to download from itune store, nigeria is not in the list of countries for registration somebody pls help.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2534

BTW, does anybody use WhatsApp?

I make no apologies for being a chauvinist, just as I make none for being "proud no be small". Just stick to the script.

candylips:
You are right about Fortran having some of the best maths api out there  but some other people will argue that Mathematia or Mathlab are the better .

I think the continued talk of the superiority of FORTRAN is based on past glory.

candylips:
yea i have tie back her question to programming.

I think she's a he. May have gotten his profile info wrong (which may just tell you a bit about the person).

mavenbox:
A crazy Maths ardent (a senior student) in high school gave me the integral to solve when I was in senior high 1.

OK, I hope I'm not the "crazy Math loving senior" and I'm glad you love Math, but can we stick to the script please?

The int value 011 represents an octal value. In Java, any integral value that starts with 0 is assumed to be in the octal system (base-. Please go read about literal values in Java.  011 converted to the standard decimal (base-10) is 9, which is the default numerical system except otherwise specified, therefore 9 is printed.

Yes Google's standard programming languages are Python and Java. Python for its strength in string manipulation. But I have pointed out that Python like Java actually compiles into byte-code, and could also have JIT compilers. So where does that leave us?

IG:
That's exactly what I mean when I say we need to outgrow bashing Microsoft because it's cool. Monotouch is from Novell and iPhone is from apple and the CIL (or .NET) is an open standard now. What does Microsoft has to do with any of these?

I know that Microsoft make some crappy software but when it comes to openness, I think Microsoft is a saint compared to apple.

I know exactly what I am saying, and I am not saying it because "it is cool to bash Microsoft". I am speaking from experience, and only someone who doesn't have the experience will then make the claim - hence making it cool to bash Microsoft.

My point here is the fact that almost any technology related to Microsoft will be for a fee because of some steep licensing fees they have to pay to Microsoft, therefore making it impractical to have a free version.

Beaf:
This thing really looks promising, but every place on the web says its a commercial project only.
Even the beta release needs password authentication (for the full version) or is available for download only as a trial version.

http://monotouch.net/Releases/MonoTouch_1.2_Beta_1

There-in lies the problem with anything associated with Microsoft.

Beaf:
Assembler - you can't get any faster (except by writing directly in binary, largely impossible)

Well, Assembler converts DIRECTLY to binary (hex-code).

It seems this webdizzi guy never heard of JIT Compilation.

Here is what you will need:

1. An input device that scans the finger-print and passes the captured print to the application.
2. A finger-print sample for each authorized user to which to match the input from 1 (stored in a database table).
3. A pattern recognition library to perform the match operation in 2.

Maybe by the time you think about what you need to do this, you'll appreciate how much work you have ahead of you.